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Dremel-Based Project Accepted As Apache Incubator

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the read-all-about-it dept.

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itwbennett writes "The technology behind Google's BigQuery analytics as a service is based on the company's in-house ad hoc query system called Dremel that can store and search trillion-row datasets without the complexity and batch limitations of Hadoop. Today, Hadoop vendor MapR announced a new open source iteration of Dremel called Drill, which is now an incubation project with the Apache Softare Foundation. First up for the Apache Drill project: getting a consensus on Drill's APIs so that other vendors can work with it, says project leader Tomer Shiran."

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I red the headline (0)

tr1t (2708213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019533)

Why is the background of the headline red instead of /. teal?

Re:I red the headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41019767)

That means you saw it before anyone posted, hot off the presses.

Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41019543)

Shouldn't this be in slashbi ?

Dremel, eh?! (0, Offtopic)

oldhack (1037484) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019553)

They're gonna get their ass sued.

BTW, Google search deteriorated so bad now I'm using Bing, way too many spam sites like "fixya", "answer", and other slimebags.

Google, get your core business straight.

Re:Dremel, eh?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41019581)

Dremel was the guy's last name, so I'd say that there's probably some basis for it, so they MIGHT possibly get around a trademark complaint.

Then again, if it's an internal product, they're not going to have any problem at all.

Re:Dremel, eh?! (4, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019789)

That, and trademarks are restricted to specific industries.

Re:Dremel, eh?! (1)

tadekd (2709271) | about a year and a half ago | (#41020035)

That, and trademarks are restricted to specific industries.

yes, i am agree with you.....

Re:Dremel, eh?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41020713)

In France at least (but I don't suppose it is that different in most developed countries), brands which are highly recognizable benefit from a more general 'protection' automatically (it is supposed any use by third-parties are made with the intent of customers confusing the name with the more known brand, or anyway associating the names even unconsciously). And beside this, while you sure can use the same name for different categories of products/services, it has to be in good faith, without any link to the existing uses, otherwise it is clearly parasitism. Last names do not allow any more. Clearly, the use in question, and the association to the name 'Drill' for the open source version, show the intent to associate with the more known brand. While of course not to confuse people, and used more jokingly, the link is clear, and if this 'Dremel' was a public product, it would most certainly lose a judicial battle. And of course, it is precisely why they changed the name for the public version, and while they probably will receive (or already did if the name was already mentioned in the past) a nice letter reminding them of trademarks, internal uses of the name should normally not be a problem (although using the name publicly, even just in conferences, may possibly be a problem).

Re:Dremel, eh?! (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year and a half ago | (#41020233)

Dremel was the guy's last name, so I'd say that there's probably some basis for it, so they MIGHT possibly get around a trademark complaint.

That possibility probably ended when someone decided to be cute and name the iteration "drill".

Re:Dremel, eh?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41023191)

Tell that to Larry Ford.

no, Drill (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019773)

Jeszum crow, at least get past TFH before commenting!

Internal codenames aren't in commerce. And really, worse case, they rename it "Butthead Moto-Tool Corp."

Re:no, Drill (2)

rk (6314) | about a year and a half ago | (#41020011)

A virtual +1 for the Sagan reference!

  Naming your projects things like Dremel and Drill, even without trademark problems, I think is really stupid from a web search perspective.

Re:no, Drill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41020635)

Normally, I'd agree, but for an Apache project it's less of an issue. Simply search for 'apache drill' and you'll get the correct top hit.

Re:Dremel, eh?! (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019779)

Their core business is straight, they make truck loads from advertising. Search is just one way they present their ads.</offtopic>

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41024903)

I noticed that too. On "howto" questions I'm now getting several pages of "fixya" while there could be better answer in Usenet. My guess google decided to have "priority" providers for certain types of questions. As the business is all about showing adds they most likely don't do it for free.

kje;/ (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41019569)

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Data? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41019605)

The problem with open source "big data" tools is that they are useless without matching open source data sets. Openstreet map is a step in the right direction, but is anyone out there making a systematic collection of all open data?

Re:Data? (1)

epiphani (254981) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019755)

Yes, because nobody has their own proprietary data sets to use.

Hadoop is a tool. How you use it is up to you.

Re:Data? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41023017)

He is just upset he does not have his own private big data to work his new Big Data Tool magic.

Not a rotary tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41019791)

... Open source Dremel... more fun than Big Data?

Re:Not a rotary tool (1, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#41019899)

Not a rotary tool...
more fun than Big Data?

Why not? I mean, just think a bit... with a rotary tool and proper attachments, you can...:
- ...put a spin on the data
- ...screw it/something/someone - yourself and/or even your customers if so you like
- ... cut through the crap... or
- ... spread the $#17 efficiently when it hits (requires the fan attachment)

Let the list continue.

Re:Not a rotary tool (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#41020225)

- ... thrash data via causing power spikes in circuits.
- ... break the head of of any screw.
- ... jump out of the slot and mar any wall.
- ... strip the threads from any hole.
- ... severely injure yourself or others.
- ... sit on it and spin

No thanks, you can take your over engineered general purpose crap and shove. I prefer Amish DB tools: High quality and hand crafted to fit my needs.

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Gutted (5, Funny)

Tselakus (926061) | about a year and a half ago | (#41021049)

I was really looking forward to seeing how they had managed to use a dremel to make birthing aparatus for apache gunships - imagine my dissapointment :(

Re:Gutted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41021771)

Me too. Just imagine how many sagas post-quels, pre-quels and so on George Lucas or Peter Jackson could make from the story.

Re:Gutted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41022233)

I also was thinking along those lines, but now i realize its just some sort of smart title to get SEOed!

Riak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41021095)

I often wonder why I don't hear more about Riak? It seems to have similar features. Is anyone using it?

Where is the code?! (1)

iceco2 (703132) | about a year and a half ago | (#41021119)

Can't seem to find any code/documentaion or anything downloadable,
And they alrgedly have something working.

You Will Find It (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41021603)

..in the Vapour Of Clouds.

Re:Where is the code?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41023071)

Definition for apache incubator: Apache Incubator is the gateway for Open source projects intended to become fully fledged Apache Software Foundation projects..
(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Incubator)

Do you go crying about everything without even trying to understand?

Implementation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41022353)

More Java crap, or a sensible C implementation this time?

I dunno (2)

EvilBudMan (588716) | about a year and a half ago | (#41023133)

Why isn't anyone on topic with this? Who cares what the name is? It's a case of knowing that we can do something, but my question is should we? Should an open source project want to reduce privacy even more so than it is now? Ask yourself that because I read the article and that along with face recognition in Facebook is taking the advertising stuff a little further than what I would think it needs to go to be useful.

Re:I dunno (1)

greenreaper (205818) | about a year and a half ago | (#41024305)

Names are important. Would a Dremel by any other name drill so straight? (Perhaps, but you have to prove it.) Also, an open-source clone of the Dremel hardware tool would be way cooler than what this actually is.

Misleading headline (2)

istartedi (132515) | about a year and a half ago | (#41023969)

I was all excited to think there was a startup that would exploit the Dremel in some interesting way. Affordable machining and DIY numericly controlled tools came to mind.

Then I read the summary and found out it was yet another badly named web technology that will be forgotten in a few years.

Thanks to lawyers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41024639)

I bet you aren't supposed to use this on your teeth, just like a real Dremel.

Seems very ambitious (2)

dave562 (969951) | about a year and a half ago | (#41024727)

According to the wiki, they are trying to reproduce Google's internal Dremel tool, while at the same time extending it to support a multitude of query languages. Not only do they want to reproduce something that took Google who knows how many years of developer time to create, they also want to extend it.

I wish them the best. Dremel seems like a very valuable tool. I can think of a couple use cases for it today. Google offers access to it via an API, but the problem with that is that the data has to be sent to Google. I am not in the position to send Google terabytes of highly sensitive and confidential data.

Great..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41025051)

Now it will be even harder to find information on either on Google. Why the hell do projects PURPOSEFULLY create naming collisions?

I'll Pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41028925)

If it's anything like the last httpd update. The last update I did on the web servers to Apache's httpd was horrific; they managed to break pretty much everything with a change to dynamic libraries.

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