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Google, Oracle Deny Direct Payments To Media

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the many-disappointed-critics dept.

The Courts 41

itwbennett writes "Earlier this month, the judge in the Oracle v. Google trial ordered the companies to disclose the names of bloggers and reporters who had taken payments from them. Not surprisingly, both companies have denied making direct payments to writers (with the exception of Florian Mueller of FOSSPatents, whose relationship to Oracle was disclosed in April). But Oracle has tattled on Google regarding some indirect connections. In particular, Oracle called out Ed Black for an article he wrote about the case for Forbes. And Jonathan Band, co-author of the book, 'Interfaces on Trial 2.0,' which Google cited in its April 3, 2012 copyright brief." Groklaw has an in-depth look at the filings. Oracle's fingerpointing is based in part on this BBC article and this piece at The Recorder, both of which they entered into evidence. Google's filing (PDF) affirmed that they have not paid media for articles or done any quid pro quo in exchange for coverage. However, they acknowledged that many people receive money from Google through other means (the company's philanthropy, ad business, etc.), and asked the judge if he wanted further details about those instances.

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My recommendation (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#41030979)

Pie fight in the courtroom.

I don't know about Oracle and Google, but I think I'd enjoy it.

Re:My recommendation (0)

jmerlin (1010641) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031057)

The important question then becomes what kind of pie?

Re:My recommendation (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031089)

Hopefully the pies that hit Oracle's lawyers will have hand grenades in them.

Re:My recommendation (2)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031153)

Hopefully the pies that hit Oracle's lawyers will have hand grenades in them.

I don't think they have those on the menu at the Google cafeteria.

though I may be wrong

Re:My recommendation (1, Informative)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 2 years ago | (#41032319)

Hopefully the pies that hit Oracle's lawyers will have hand grenades in them.

Fire one at the submitter and "editor" of TFA. That's a deceptive headline.

Oracle was forced to acknowledge paying Florian Mueller, and also stated:
 

"Certain Oracle employees may have blogged about issues relating to the case. See, e.g., https://blogs.oracle.com/hinkmond/ [oracle.com] (blogging about Java ME). Oracle did not ask or approve any of its employees to write about the case and does not track employee bloggers."

Note that Oracle's Social Media policy contradicts the statement:
 

Make Sure Your Management Approves

  Please be aware that Oracle may choose to restrict social media activities that relate to your employment or Oracle’s business.

 

Remember that you are not an official spokesperson for Oracle. Make it clear that your opinions are your own and do not necessarily reflect the views of the corporation. See Policy Regarding Communications with Press and Analysts.

For this reason, Oracle employees with personal blogs that discuss Oracle’s business, products, employees, customers, partners, or competitors should include the following disclaimer in a visually prominent place on their blog:

"The views expressed on this [blog; Web site] are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views of Oracle."

By contrast, this is Google's statement:

“Our reply to the court is clear,” Google said, “no one on our side paid journalists, bloggers, or other commentators to write about this case.”

Re:My recommendation (-1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031109)

The important question then becomes what kind of pie?

Custard topped with whipped creme seems to go down well, but you can't beat Dutch Apple for shear weight.

Re:My recommendation (-1, Offtopic)

steelfood (895457) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031149)

Warm apple pie.

Re:My recommendation (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031433)

>The important question then becomes what kind of pie?

Cow pie.

Re:My recommendation (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 2 years ago | (#41032413)

The important question then becomes what kind of pie?

OK, I vote for Deadly Venomous Spider Surprise with whipped cream topping...

Re:My recommendation (-1, Troll)

Penguinisto (415985) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031069)

Better idea: Have the prettiest female representative of each corporation duke it out in a mud/jello/you-pick-wrestling bikini match. Best 51 out of 101 falls is the winner.

Is taht sexist? Yes. Do I care? Nope, because the odds of it happening are about the same as that of my winning the lottery jackpot two weeks in a row.

Re:My recommendation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031113)

I happen to think this is a fantastic idea. And, no, I don't think it's sexist at all.

Re:My recommendation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031161)

Oh look, some sanctimonious cuckhold modded you down. Imagine that.

Re:My recommendation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031211)

pig

Re:My recommendation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031243)

cow

Re:My recommendation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031397)

Sheep.

Re:My recommendation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031913)

No, it's Superman!

Re:My recommendation (1)

currently_awake (1248758) | more than 2 years ago | (#41033325)

Technology companies don't buy favourable press, public relations companies do that. Do what you're good at. Also good for telling a court you didn't pay off journalists for biased reporting.

Oracle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031029)

et al are fucking liars.

Re:Oracle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031157)

And Google are perfect... liars.

Re:Oracle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031195)

Awww...you mad?

How them grapes taste, Larry?

Re:Oracle (1)

JAlexoi (1085785) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031491)

Page or Ellison?

Re:Oracle (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031943)

Wall. Clearly. No love for the camel in today's software industry landscape. Java this, Java that. He's sick of it. He's sick of all of them!

Florian thread! (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031125)

And finally one worth having, too.

Re:Florian thread! (2)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031477)

might want to start by correcting the title:

Oracle didn't deny payments to the media, they acknowledged it. Google showed that they don't pay anyone. Florian is "media", even he's shitty/shoddy. The issue is he was paid/working on his contract with Oracle before the trial even started, so his PR damage/anti-google-ness is now legally acknowledged so hopefully nobody will quote that fraudulent shill anymore. This oracle trial acknowledges he is paid, not how far back payments started.

Re:Florian thread! (2)

oakgrove (845019) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031609)

Somebody needs to tell these guys [cnet.com] then. So much for credibility CNET.

Re:Florian thread! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41032881)

CNET has been a Microsoft/anti open source cheerleader for some time now. They've never had any credibility for as long as I can remember

Re:Florian thread! (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 2 years ago | (#41041603)

and yet quizzically they are a big proponent of hosting software downloads (c/net downloads). Let hand, meet right hand.

Re:Florian thread! (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#41031505)

I think that at this point, it was bloody obvious that Florian was a "paid for opinion" going back a few years. The first sign was probably was when he became a hired gun telling Munich that the skies would darken with lawyers over patents if they went through with their migration.

And he's dodged the question ever since, especially on LWN, even though everyone "knows" that he's been bought off, because no sane person would hold his opinions. It's actually better for people to consider you bought off instead of insane, no?

--
BMO

Re:Florian thread! (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 2 years ago | (#41032927)

I think the saddest part of it all is that before he sold out he was capable of great work. And now he's trending toward Enderle - who now seems to be sort of trying to redeem himself. I guess a guy's gotta make a living, but this is sad to see. I'd rather he found honest work.

Re:Florian thread! (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41034961)

it was bloody obvious that Florian was a "paid for opinion" going back a few years

It wasn't obvious to me. I assumed that no company would be stupid enough to pay for someone to spout things as obviously wrong as Florian - that they'd want shills who could slip misinformation into otherwise-insightful posts. Apparently Oracle has very low standards for shills. On the one hand, I think it's great that shills are so blatant, on the other I wonder if there's a job opportunity if I ever get bored...

Re:Florian thread! (1)

bmo (77928) | more than 2 years ago | (#41035899)

I think it's an outgrowth of the entire PR industry. Instead of issuing press releases through prnewswire.com and others, you buy journalists and pundits to push what is essentially a press release, but under the guise of a third party endorsement.

It's a really cynical way to do things. But then DiDio, Lyin' Lyons, Endull, Bott, etc, all did it before Florian did.

--
BMO

I hope (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41031245)

I hope Larry Ellison AIDS from Steve Jobs before he died of it.

There's a distinction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41032189)

Likening Google donating to the EFF and Oracle paying Florian is absurd.

Internet media payola (2)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 2 years ago | (#41032241)

It's all over the place. I see incidental "actor tweets X" or "actress a big fan of X" stories right around the time their movies are coming out. I remember seeing almost daily reports on Megan Fox about every inane detail of her life suddenly appearing in the media, until the promos for Jennifer's Body started showing up. And, the Kardashians are being shoved down our throats everyday. Not to mention the scores of failed celebs who are trying to use their fame/endorsement model.

Re:Internet media payola (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41034523)

You mean actors who have current projects are of interest to the relevant sections of the media? LE GASP!

dammit Google, you did it again! (4, Funny)

Gravis Zero (934156) | more than 2 years ago | (#41032819)

Google's filing (PDF) affirmed that they have not paid media for articles or done any quid pro quo in exchange for coverage. However, they acknowledged that many people receive money from Google through other means (the company's philanthropy, ad business, etc.), and asked the judge if he wanted further details about those instances.

stupid Google, dont you know that as a corporation you are supposed to deny and impede any attempt to get information about what you've done and tie it up in court for years? just look at Oracle, they deny everything until the bitter end and fight tooth and nail to budge an inch on any information at all. i mean, volunteering information? for shame!

this "don't be evil" stuff is really getting in the way of becoming a well adjusted sociopathic corporation.

Re:dammit Google, you did it again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41034311)

Are you really that naive?
You've left out the bit where Google say they haven't paid anyone directly in *this* case, and just because they hide their payments under the guise of 'philanthropic' ventures doesn't mean they don't pay at first glance independent sources to support and publicise their position. Hell, they've certainly been successful in getting their 'don't be evil' advert into the public consciousness.
If you want to know about their questionable payments look into just how much they spend on 'political lobbying'.
I think we can safely call them liars.

Re:dammit Google, you did it again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41035593)

I know you are joking. But if you think about it, being an ads company, google can pay anyone and even report it as ad revenue. Particularly, knowing that many bloggers make money out of this. Oracle, on the other hand, doesn't have this easy way to funnel money.

I like google, but you have to admit for oracle is a harder trick to pull off.

Florian Muller (4, Insightful)

dell623 (2021586) | more than 2 years ago | (#41033731)

When it comes to attacking Google, he doesn't even limit himself to patent issues any more:

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/08/googles-motorola-mobility-lays-off.html [fosspatents.com]

Now he's not just a patents expert, despite not being a lawyer, he is also an expert on the whole industry, and has inside knowledge to tell us how buying Motorola is already a colossally bad deal mere months after the deal closed.

I despair for journalism, if this guy is what passes for it now.

Re:Florian Muller (1)

Xest (935314) | more than 2 years ago | (#41043717)

What sickens me most is that the BBC, a supposedly objective and publicly funded broadcaster still continues to quote him despite having been told for months by hundreds of people that the guy is unobjective and trustworthy.

It gives me the impression Oracle hasn't been too honest about this, it gives the impression someone at the BBC (and possibly other media outlets) are being paid off too. But if Oracle pays Florian, and Florian then uses some of those funds to pay off someone at the BBC I guess Oracle wouldn't have to disclose that?

There's simply no excuse whatsoever for the BBC to be continuing to use Florian as a source when they're well aware he's a completely untrustworthy source. Someone at the BBC is being given a reason to breach the BBC's responsibility to be objective that much is certain.

Re:Florian Muller (1)

dell623 (2021586) | more than 2 years ago | (#41043853)

It's just lazy reporting. Plus the fact that the mainstream media still doesn't see these issues as global issues threatening freedom and innovation, but merely obscure technology issues. So it's not given the same rigorous attention as say the war in Syria.

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