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Jobs' Burglary Manhunt Yields Kenny the Clown

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the mastermind-with-a-big-red-nose dept.

Crime 99

theodp writes "Even in death, Steve Jobs managed to get specialists from the Apple-friendly Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team (REACT) to team up again with Apple investigators and local police to track down the whereabouts of a stolen Apple device. Unlike a 2010 stolen iPhone prototype incident, which ended with a raid on a Gizmodo editor's home, this new investigation into the $60K burglary of the late Apple CEO's under-renovation Palo Alto home ended with the recapture of an iPad from Kenny the Clown, who accepted the device as payment of a debt owed to him by burglary suspect Kariem McFarlin. PCWorld has the details of how Palo Alto Police, REACT, and Apple investigators connected the dots to track down Jobs' stolen iPads, which may trouble some privacy advocates."

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Fuck Steve Jobs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044699)

Fuck Steve Jobs and Apple. It would come up eventually anyway.. ;p

Clowns have always creeped me out. (5, Funny)

2.7182 (819680) | about 2 years ago | (#41044783)

Not sure why, but I've always felt that way. Maybe it has to do with when I was 5 and my father was killed by a clown.

Re:Clowns have always creeped me out. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044949)

Flamebait?! WTF mods!

This is obviously a joke and yes, it's funny.

Replying as AC because I'm due modpoints any day now and want to reverse this trollmod.

Re:Clowns have always creeped me out. (1)

2.7182 (819680) | about 2 years ago | (#41045747)

Not only is it a joke but one I lifted from a comedian who was popular in the 1980s.

Re:Clowns have always creeped me out. (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 2 years ago | (#41048139)

Not sure why, but I've always felt that way. Maybe it has to do with when I was 5 and my father was killed by a clown.

Is that you, Bruce?

Re:Clowns have always creeped me out. (1)

2.7182 (819680) | about 2 years ago | (#41049097)

I stand in the spot where it happened...and it feels like it could be yesterday...

Re:Clowns have always creeped me out. (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#41051659)

Electronic devices that take the liberty of ratting out their users have always freaked me out. Sure, this time the result was recovery of stolen property. Next time the result might be capture, torture and execution of a politcal dissident.

Re:Fuck Steve Jobs (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about 2 years ago | (#41045223)

No, with Steve, anyways, I don't think 'it' is coming up ever again: he may be a stiff but....

Re:Fuck Steve Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41050097)

I wish that asshole was still alive so I could kick him in the balls, rip his head off, shit down his neck and shove a Zune up his ass.

Re:Fuck Steve Jobs (1)

pnutjam (523990) | about 2 years ago | (#41054861)

Calm down Mr. Ballmer...

Nothing to see here (0, Troll)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#41044727)

Nothing to see here. Just another Apple "somebody style our prototype" marketing campaign.

Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044791)

You're spot on. This isn't newsworthy in any way. I seriously wish that Slashdot wouldn't waste time publishing irrelevant crap like this. There are much more important things to be reporting on.

An example of a far more important topic is the ongoing implosion of the GNOME community. Right now there's just one topic about it on the front page. Don't forget that GNOME was, for well over a decade, one of the cornerstones of the open source movement. It's one of the major projects, up there with the Linux kernel, X.org, and GCC. The GNOME collapse is something that Slashdot should be following on an hourly-by-hourly basis. I'd expect at least three to four articles about it per day, until it's resolved. It's something all of us need to discuss, even those of us who may not use GNOME.

Re:Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (3)

2.7182 (819680) | about 2 years ago | (#41044839)

True, but your post is a classic "slashdot is has gone to the dogs." I am sure you can find a many posts from 2002 saying something like "I can't believe slashdot posted another stupid article about Theo and all the dumbass BSD flaming politics. Can we get on with the real news, or do I just need to go over to Ars for good?"

Re:Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045107)

True, but your post is a classic "slashdot is has gone to the dogs." I am sure you can find a many posts from 2002 saying something like "I can't believe slashdot posted another stupid article about Theo and all the dumbass BSD flaming politics. Can we get on with the real news, or do I just need to go over to Ars for good?"

As soon as netcraft confirms the irrelevancy of Apple prototype theft, I'm sure /. will move on...

Re:Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 2 years ago | (#41045979)

Back in 2000 there was a fad where people would say "This is not news!" and poo-poo whatever announcement was made. One time there was a story about a CD burner that reached speeds of 55x. I jokingly posted "All you have to do is use your old CD burner and just wait longer. This is not news! " It was taken seriously and modded insightful.

Re:Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (2)

tgd (2822) | about 2 years ago | (#41053383)

True, but your post is a classic "slashdot is has gone to the dogs." I am sure you can find a many posts from 2002 saying something like "I can't believe slashdot posted another stupid article about Theo and all the dumbass BSD flaming politics. Can we get on with the real news, or do I just need to go over to Ars for good?"

As someone who has been on this site since well before you could even get a user account, its absolutely gone down hill steadily for a decade now. Its really dropped off enormously in the last two years. Slashdot, and its community, like to act like they're so intellectual, but Slashdot is driven by ad revenue, and it hit on the exact same solution to driving ad views that Fox News did -- identify an overzealous market and carefully pick the stories that market wants to hear. Keep them whipped up in a frenzy, because a frenzy drives views. Slashdot is as guilty of driving and profiting from polarization as any of the far left or far right media outlets in the political space.

In that context, this story makes perfect sense. Its Apple, its got the opportunity for a "zomg, our privacy!" jab.

I suspect for a lot of us who were around back then, the only reason we're still here is 15 years of habit, and some sad desire to somehow find a way to bring back the community as it used to be.

And the fucking clowns... (1)

pedestrian crossing (802349) | about 2 years ago | (#41054455)

That, and every discussion is dominated by wannabe "comedians". Sure wish we could eliminate the Funny mod. Half of every discussion is a series of half-assed wisecracks...

Re:And the fucking clowns... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057769)

That, and every discussion is dominated by wannabe "comedians". Sure wish we could eliminate the Funny mod. Half of every discussion is a series of half-assed wisecracks...

That's all anyone is here for...why do you think noone reads TFAs?

Re:Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (4, Insightful)

icebraining (1313345) | about 2 years ago | (#41045501)

Can you post the links to your story submissions, please?

Re:Can we have some real content, Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41049963)

Original article here. [irateirishman.com]

Re:Nothing to see here (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 2 years ago | (#41048207)

Nothing to see here. Just another Apple "somebody style our prototype" marketing campaign.

Prototype? You think that in the house of a guy who has been dead for a year there was a prototype?

money well spend (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044739)

Cost of items lost: $60000
Cost of replacing them with insurance: $1000 ish
Cost of finding lost items: priceless

Nothing like last time REACT was involved (4, Insightful)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about 2 years ago | (#41044749)

Dunno, I can't see any place where they went beyond the law this time. Based on the article, it seems as if they took pains to build a legal case, even to the extent of checking for open APs nearby.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (0)

Relayman (1068986) | about 2 years ago | (#41044911)

which may trouble some privacy advocates.

Not me, I don't steal things. When you commit a crime, you have no standing to complain about a violation of your privacy except in court.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about 2 years ago | (#41045023)

Not me, I don't steal things.

Do you really believe that only criminals get arrested and/or persecuted by the government? You think that as long as you "don't steal things" you have nothing to worry about?

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (3, Insightful)

History's Coming To (1059484) | about 2 years ago | (#41045395)

So the privacy of a thief who steals my device trumps my right to have my device broadcast whatever (legal) information I want it to? Wow, interesting world you live in.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

Relayman (1068986) | about 2 years ago | (#41054671)

Correct. Things that invade my privacy also give me alibis. If a red-light camera catches me 50 miles from the crime scene, it helps me, not hurts me.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (0)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 2 years ago | (#41045185)

Holy Shit. I hope you haven't reached elementary school yet, because if you have passed grade 6 and still think this way your school has done the country a great dis-service by allowing you to continue on to junior high school.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 2 years ago | (#41045241)

Are you sure ?

I heard recently on the radio that carrying lobsters in your car is illegal. There are so many laws, especially dumb and obsolete ones, that each and everyone of us is breaking laws every day.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41047553)

I heard recently on the radio that carrying lobsters in your car is illegal.

As a general rule, if you hear something on the radio that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, that's probably because it isn't true.
(N.B.: You can substitute quite a few other things for "the radio" and this principle will remain a good one. "The television",
"the Internet", "Slashdot", and so on.)

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

Macgrrl (762836) | about 2 years ago | (#41049737)

A quick google of this topic fails to provide any hits of relevance (your post is the top hit).

sounds like an urban myth to me. Not that I am going to debate that there are some stupid laws still on the books in most jurisdictions - lets start with the ones about gay marriage and anything that goes on in the bedroom. I got a hit on carrying a horse in your car, but nothing about lobsters.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 2 years ago | (#41050353)

The concern is that these techniques could be used by law enforcement agents against people who are not criminals in order to harass or intimidate them.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#41045007)

Because its Apple and they are Evil. Screw shades of gray. If someone is Evil, then everything they do is evil, if they do something good then that just have an Evil motive behind it.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (0)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about 2 years ago | (#41045259)

Screw shades of gray.

In 50 shades of gray! :P

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 2 years ago | (#41045883)

React was involved because Gizmodo bragged about dealing in stolen goods and intentionally leaked trade secrets.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

Toad-san (64810) | about 2 years ago | (#41054665)

Absolutely! Great job! Got the criminal, even recovered other stolen property.

SCREW the privacy advocates.

Re:Nothing like last time REACT was involved (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 2 years ago | (#41055705)

Toad-san is volunteering for a new policy of checking for bill of sale for everything in your home and possession. If you don't have a sales receipt then it will be assumed stolen and confiscated. More than $10,000 worth of stuff and you will be charged with a felony. The police will be there in a few hours.

network admins keep access logs (2)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41044789)

news at 11

apple audits network traffic that hit their servers. isn't this taught in MCSE class?

Re:network admins keep access logs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044865)

news at 11

apple audits network traffic that hit their servers. isn't this taught in MCSE class?

Cue 1980s sitcom audience sound effects:

Woooooooooooooooo! Woof! Woof! Woof! Woof! Woof!

Worried about privacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044829)

Yes, I'm worried about privacy and I do what I can to limit the exposure of my personal information.

But I'd like to point out that the Apple investigators (Apple Cops) did all of the work.

This was a very high profile case.

Normally the cops wouldn't give a shit unless you have kiddie porn, threatened the President or some other terrorist threat.

And one last thing:

Finding only secured Wi-Fi signals, investigators could argue it was being used by the person paying the bill or those with permission.

Gee Mr. Persecutor, I know the router is locked down now, but it was insecure before my brother-in-law pointed it out to me.

Re:Worried about privacy (3, Interesting)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about 2 years ago | (#41044897)

Finding only secured Wi-Fi signals, investigators could argue it was being used by the person paying the bill or those with permission.

Gee Mr. Persecutor, I know the router is locked down now, but it was insecure before my brother-in-law pointed it out to me.

That's probably an argument you'd make to a judge to invalidate the search; though I think you'd have a hard time arguing they didn't have probable cause for a search since the router was secured when they checked. That would provide, IMH-nonlawyerO, reasonable justification for a warrant.

Re:Worried about privacy (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 2 years ago | (#41045227)

"Gee Mr. Persecutor, I know the router is locked down now, but it was insecure before my brother-in-law pointed it out to me."

That argument only comes up at trial or in a motion to suppress, and requires a brother-in-law willing to commit purgery. Since they actually found the device, no such motion would be allowed and you would lose. On the plus side, if you attempted this and your purgering brother-in-law participated in the foolishness, you would both get a free place to live for a period of time paid for by the government.

Re:Worried about privacy (1)

icebraining (1313345) | about 2 years ago | (#41045531)

It's spelled perjury.

Re:Worried about privacy (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 2 years ago | (#41047597)

I'm dislexyc you insinsetive clod!

Re:Worried about privacy (1)

mellyra (2676159) | about 2 years ago | (#41045547)

That argument only comes up at trial or in a motion to suppress, and requires a brother-in-law willing to commit purgery.

"purgery" sounds interesting but the word you are looking for is "perjury"

Re:Worried about privacy (1)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#41046035)

Gee Mr. Persecutor, I know the router is locked down now, but it was insecure before my brother-in-law pointed it out to me.

And then the prosecutor enters Google Street View WiFi logs (date stamped) into evidence revealing the secured status of the AP at the time in question.

Do you really want to risk a perjury charge?

You give Google and the prosecutor too much credit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046575)

Gee Mr. Persecutor, I know the router is locked down now, but it was insecure before my brother-in-law pointed it out to me.

And then the prosecutor enters Google Street View WiFi logs (date stamped) into evidence revealing the secured status of the AP at the time in question.

Do you really want to risk a perjury charge?

Hell yeah!

More than likely Google didn't capture that data and if they did, they will be deleting it if they have not already.

Of course that's assuming the local prosecutor (more than likely he's technically illiterate) knows anything about that.

burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (2)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41044879)

news at 11

Steve Jobs' home was just the most high profile. isnt this what police supposed to do? catch criminals who rob lots of homes?

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044963)

yeah but if the US is anything like where I live, a solved burglary is actually newsworthy because they only solve about 2% of all burglaries.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

mbone (558574) | about 2 years ago | (#41045343)

Since the average burglar is doing it for a living, on a regular basis, even a 2% clearance rate means that any given burglar will be caught soon enough.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 2 years ago | (#41057101)

I and 48 other people would rather our stuff wasn't stolen in the first place.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (5, Insightful)

M1FCJ (586251) | about 2 years ago | (#41044977)

When you look at the typical response the police gives to a typical house/office break for the rest of us (a shrug and you never hear from the pigs ever again), this only shows how corrupt the US police are and what lengths they will go to keep their masters happy.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (3, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#41045105)

I suppose the reason REACT was involved is the same reason it was was involved last time: Trade secrets. Last time a prototype was the trade secret. This time the computers might have held trade secrets. If you lived in the area and REACT failed to respond to your trade secret case, please let the world know about it.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

Kyusaku Natsume (1098) | about 2 years ago | (#41045391)

post to undo bad mod

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045881)

Trade secrets or not there's no excuse for letting Apple employees hang in with feds in suspects home.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046237)

If you lived in the area and REACT failed to respond to your trade secret case, please let the world know about it.

Uh, like, to let the world know your trade secrets are gone, and stolen by somebody on the run?

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41046239)

OTOH, who in their right mind would leave diamonds and easily fenced electronic gizmos at a house that is unoccupied while undergoing extensive renovations?

Sounds, and FSM forgive me, like a sting. Nobody could be that dumb.

Right?

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (4, Insightful)

Larryish (1215510) | about 2 years ago | (#41045201)

Was living in NW Florida around 10 or so years ago in a duplex apartment.

The other apartment in the duplex got a window busted out and somebody stole a lot of collectibles and some electronics, including a fairly valuable comic book collection and a laptop computer.

The police showed up, took a statement, and left. That's it. No pictures of the damage, no fingerprinting, nothing.

Just 2 lazy overweight assholes with badges wishing they were at the doughnut shop.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41046293)

Statement 1: Florida should not be held up as an example of anything except possibly the advantages of global warming and the subsequent rise in ocean levels.

Statement 2: Anecdote is not data. Some Police do a lousy job. So do some doctors, nurses, astronauts, politicians (well, they always do a lousy job) and pedicurists.

Statement 3: Your neighbors are not, and never have been, Stephen P. Jobs. It does make a difference.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046745)

You know, I see a lot of this type of complaint. Why do you people think it is the police that are lazy? Don't you think it is the voters who won't fund the police department to have enough people to - you know - actually go after non-violent criminals? They spend most of their time on gang and homicide and stuff like that. The fact that they have no time to work on simple burglary is a symptom of their staffing levels and not a due to their dreams of donuts. We see constant reports near where I live of how the police are down 40% from their levels 4 years ago and are having a hard time even working all of the violent crime cases. Wake up and realize that the police would like to work on the other cases but they can't.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046859)

Yet there are something like 5 million people in prison for simple possession of the wrong kind of drugs. Seems to me that the cops aren't prioritizing crimes with actual victims.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41048005)

that's because addicts are more likely to commit crime to steal money to get their fix. some of us city folk figured this out in the 1980's.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

vux984 (928602) | about 2 years ago | (#41048067)

that's because addicts are more likely to commit crime to steal money to get their fix. some of us city folk figured this out in the 1980's.

So that's why my car is always being broken into by cigarette smokers and alcohol drinkers?

Get real.

The average pot smoker doesn't commit crime to buy weed either. And what few do would be even less likely to if they could get it legally for the same price as a pack of cigarettes.

Heroine is maybe a different scenario, but then people addicted to heroine ought to be treated as sick not criminals.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | about 2 years ago | (#41049353)

You like pot, we get it.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046481)

When you look at the typical response the police gives to a typical house/office break for the rest of us (a shrug and you never hear from the pigs ever again), this only shows how corrupt the US police are and what lengths they will go to keep their masters happy.

Nope, it's not that. Just you wait, you keep talking about how corrupt the police are in this case, and you keep wondering how it got this bad, but one day, that iPhone in your pocket will receive secret instructions on a frequency nobody knew before. Then, the last thing you'll feel is a disorienting tingle directly in your brain, right before you get an uncontrollable urge to join the teeming mass of OTHER people staring blankly off to the distance, awaiting orders and willing to sacrifice your life if it means destroying Android.

Re:burglar robs lots of homes, police catch him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41049895)

More like....

Negro burgles home

news at 11

So when do *I* get this type of service? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41044933)

So when do *I* get this type of service when my iPad is stolen? Since it is so easy for Apple to cooperate and cough up the info needed to locate the device, why the HELL won't they do it for Joe Consumer? If Apple did this for every stolen iDevice, they would become worthless as theft targets.... hell, they would be come a liability to steal them and try to sell/reuse them.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | about 2 years ago | (#41045047)

So when do *I* get this type of service when my iPad is stolen?

Apparently when it's stolen in Minnesota [cbslocal.com] .

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (1)

green1 (322787) | about 2 years ago | (#41046287)

Or Canada [ipadtalkz.com]

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#41045113)

Police found the iPads using the same method every iPad owner has with Find my iPad. Of course, because it's Apple and Steve Jobs, it's easier to just get rant about without any information. You can google many cases where iPad/iPhone owners retrieved their devices.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046363)

Not when the perps wipe the device. Once that happens the ONLY people who can do jack shit are at Apple, using the serial number and seeing when that device connects to their servers.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 2 years ago | (#41052471)

Not when the perps wipe the device. Once that happens the ONLY people who can do jack shit are at Apple, using the serial number and seeing when that device connects to their servers.

So good thing the criminal didn't wipe the device in this case then. Well, not for your paranoid ramblings of course.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (2)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 2 years ago | (#41048425)

Police found the iPads using the same method every iPad owner has with Find my iPad

Not true. Did you read the article? They looked at IP addresses and Apple IDs in Apple's DBs when the stolen devices synched to iTunes, then cross-referenced them with ISPs. Find your iPad is a useless toy that disappears with a factory reset.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 2 years ago | (#41052527)

Police found the iPads using the same method every iPad owner has with Find my iPad

Not true. Did you read the article? They looked at IP addresses and Apple IDs in Apple's DBs when the stolen devices synched to iTunes, then cross-referenced them with ISPs. Find your iPad is a useless toy that disappears with a factory reset.

Aahhh, so he used Jobs AppleID after he wiped the device. Yeah that makes sense.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (4, Informative)

mbone (558574) | about 2 years ago | (#41045277)

When you turn on Find My iPad [apple.com] .

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046265)

Uhhh... no. If they wipe it, Find My iPad (or iPhone) no longer workie.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045493)

Easier route would be to become an elected politican, look at King 'Obama', err I mean president obama, or nancy pelosi, you know the "you have to pass it before you can see whats it in" lady. Look at any number of them, there is your route.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (1)

hol (89786) | about 2 years ago | (#41045789)

Some animals are more equal than others.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046599)

Let's just get down to the meat of all this. It's because he had a lot of MONEY. That makes him more IMPORTANT that you.

Society likes to pretend everything is equal, and tries to enforce this equality mindset into everyone else. But if you haven't figured out by now that it comes down to money and connections, you haven't been paying attention.

If you have money, you get to do pretty much whatever you want. People will bend over backwards for you. Yes, even the law.

If you have no money, you might as well not exist. You are simply in the way of people that do have the money and power.

Re:So when do *I* get this type of service? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41051111)

I suspect the total dollar amount stolen has something to do with it. In California, when property like an iPad is stolen, the magic number of $950 is what delineates petty theft from grand theft. So when your iPad is stolen, the police quite rightly treat it differently from when an iPad is stolen along with another $59k worth of stuff.

And I'd imagine that Apple would, eventually, cooperate with police if the police press the issue, regardless of whether they're investigating on behalf of their late CEO. The key in this case was that the thief took a ton of stuff and it was a major crime. Police put more effort into investigating major crimes. And police have more time to investigate in affluent neighborhoods like Jobs' where there is less crime and property taxes fully fund the local police department (i.e. the police don't have to be preoccupied with fundraising...err...traffic enforcement.)

There's no conspiracy here...spend more in property taxes and have more than the statutory amount stolen and the police will care about your problems too. And if the police care, they'll convince Apple to care too. But short of that, you're stuck with the "Find My iPad" feature.

Recruitment / exam / result (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045035)

http://newanytime.net

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045161)

Slashdot is only two days behind the news. Usually it's 3-5 days. Good work boys!

Seriously, what is the point of this site? If you can't aggregate news stories in a decent amount of time, you shouldn't be in business.

Shucks (3, Funny)

mbone (558574) | about 2 years ago | (#41045261)

When I read the headline, my mental image was of course of Kenny the Clown moonlighting as a second story man. Now, that would be a surveillance tape I would like to see.

Re:Shucks (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#41045981)

Police CSI units found a shoe print in the garden outside Jobs' mansion. A really big shoe print.

Re:Shucks (1)

Macgrrl (762836) | about 2 years ago | (#41050443)

Was the get-away-car a mini minor driven by 17 of his closest accomplices?

Turkey Headed Penis Superhero Votes FOR NO ONE! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045463)

Nobody Seems To Notice and Nobody Seems To Care - Government & Stealth Malware

In Response To Slashdot Article: Former Pentagon Analyst: China Has Backdoors To 80% of Telecoms 87

How many rootkits does the US[2] use officially or unofficially?

How much of the free but proprietary software in the US spies on you?

Which software would that be?

Visit any of the top freeware sites in the US, count the number of thousands or millions of downloads of free but proprietary software, much of it works, again on a proprietary Operating System, with files stored or in transit.

How many free but proprietary programs have you downloaded and scanned entire hard drives, flash drives, and other media? Do you realize you are giving these types of proprietary programs complete access to all of your computer's files on the basis of faith alone?

If you are an atheist, the comparison is that you believe in code you cannot see to detect and contain malware on the basis of faith! So you do believe in something invisible to you, don't you?

I'm now going to touch on a subject most anti-malware, commercial or free, developers will DELETE on most of their forums or mailing lists:

APT malware infecting and remaining in BIOS, on PCI and AGP devices, in firmware, your router (many routers are forced to place backdoors in their firmware for their government) your NIC, and many other devices.

Where are the commercial or free anti-malware organizations and individual's products which hash and compare in the cloud and scan for malware for these vectors? If you post on mailing lists or forums of most anti-malware organizations about this threat, one of the following actions will apply: your post will be deleted and/or moved to a hard to find or 'deleted/junk posts' forum section, someone or a team of individuals will mock you in various forms 'tin foil hat', 'conspiracy nut', and my favorite, 'where is the proof of these infections?' One only needs to search Google for these threats and they will open your malware world view to a much larger arena of malware on devices not scanned/supported by the scanners from these freeware sites. This point assumed you're using the proprietary Microsoft Windows OS. Now, let's move on to Linux.

The rootkit scanners for Linux are few and poor. If you're lucky, you'll know how to use chkrootkit (but you can use strings and other tools for analysis) and show the strings of binaries on your installation, but the results are dependent on your capability of deciphering the output and performing further analysis with various tools or in an environment such as Remnux Linux. None of these free scanners scan the earlier mentioned areas of your PC, either! Nor do they detect many of the hundreds of trojans and rootkits easily available on popular websites and the dark/deep web.

Compromised defenders of Linux will look down their nose at you (unless they are into reverse engineering malware/bad binaries, Google for this and Linux and begin a valuable education!) and respond with a similar tone, if they don't call you a noob or point to verifying/downloading packages in a signed repo/original/secure source or checking hashes, they will jump to conspiracy type labels, ignore you, lock and/or shuffle the thread, or otherwise lead you astray from learning how to examine bad binaries. The world of Linux is funny in this way, and I've been a part of it for many years. The majority of Linux users, like the Windows users, will go out of their way to lead you and say anything other than pointing you to information readily available on detailed binary file analysis.

Don't let them get you down, the information is plenty and out there, some from some well known publishers of Linux/Unix books. Search, learn, and share the information on detecting and picking through bad binaries. But this still will not touch the void of the APT malware described above which will survive any wipe of r/w media. I'm convinced, on both *nix and Windows, these pieces of APT malware are government in origin. Maybe not from the US, but most of the 'curious' malware I've come across in poisoned binaries, were written by someone with a good knowledge in English, some, I found, functioned similar to the now well known Flame malware. From my experience, either many forum/mailing list mods and malware developers/defenders are 'on the take', compromised themselves, and/or working for a government entity.

Search enough, and you'll arrive at some lone individuals who cry out their system is compromised and nothing in their attempts can shake it of some 'strange infection'. These posts receive the same behavior as I said above, but often they are lone posts which receive no answer at all, AT ALL! While other posts are quickly and kindly replied to and the 'strange infection' posts are left to age and end up in a lost pile of old threads.

If you're persistent, the usual challenge is to, "prove it or STFU" and if the thread is not attacked or locked/shuffled and you're lucky to reference some actual data, they will usually attack or ridicule you and further drive the discussion away from actual proof of APT infections.

The market is ripe for an ambitious company or individual to begin demanding companies and organizations who release firmware and design hardware to release signed and hashed packages and pour this information into the cloud, so everyone's BIOS is checked, all firmware on routers, NICs, and other devices are checked, and malware identified and knowledge reported and shared openly.

But even this will do nothing to stop backdoored firmware (often on commercial routers and other networked devices of real importance for government use - which again opens the possibility of hackers discovering these backdoors) people continue to use instead of refusing to buy hardware with proprietary firmware/software.

Many people will say, "the only safe computer is the one disconnected from any network, wireless, wired, LAN, internet, intranet" but I have seen and you can search yourself for and read about satellite, RF, temperature, TEMPEST (is it illegal in your part of the world to SHIELD your system against some of these APT attacks, especially TEMPEST? And no, it's not simply a CRT issue), power line and many other attacks which can and do strike computers which have no active network connection, some which have never had any network connection. Some individuals have complained they receive APT attacks throughout their disconnected systems and they are ridiculed and labeled as a nutter. The information exists, some people have gone so far as to scream from the rooftops online about it, but they are nutters who must have some serious problems and this technology with our systems could not be possible.

I believe most modern computer hardware is more powerful than many of us imagine, and a lot of these systems swept from above via satellite and other attacks. Some exploits take advantage of packet radio and some of your proprietary hardware. Some exploits piggyback and unless you really know what you're doing, and even then... you won't notice it.

Back to the Windows users, a lot of them will dismiss any strange activity to, "that's just Windows!" and ignore it or format again and again only to see the same APT infected activity continue. Using older versions of sysinternals, I've observed very bizarre behavior on a few non networked systems, a mysterious chat program running which doesn't exist on the system, all communication methods monitored (bluetooth, your hard/software modems, and more), disk mirroring software running[1], scans running on different but specific file types, command line versions of popular Windows freeware installed on the system rather than the use of the graphical component, and more.

[1] In one anonymous post on pastebin, claiming to be from an intel org, it blasted the group Anonymous, with a bunch of threats and information, including that their systems are all mirrored in some remote location anyway.

[2] Or other government, US used in this case due to the article source and speculation vs. China. This is not to defend China, which is one messed up hell hole on several levels and we all need to push for human rights and freedom for China's people. For other, freer countries, however, the concentration camps exist but you wouldn't notice them, they originate from media, mostly your TV, and you don't even know it. As George Carlin railed about "Our Owners", "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

[3] http://www.stallman.org/ [stallman.org]

Try this yourself on a wide variety of internet forums and mailing lists, push for malware scanners to scan more than files, but firmware/BIOS. See what happens, I can guarantee it won't be pleasant, especially with APT cases.

So scan away, or blissfully ignore it, but we need more people like RMS[3] in the world. Such individuals tend to be eccentric but their words ring true and clear about electronics and freedom.

I believe we're mostly pwned, whether we would like to admit it or not, blind and pwned, yet fiercely holding to misinformation, often due to lack of self discovery and education, and "nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care".

##

Schneier has covered it before: power line fluctuations (differences on the wire in keys pressed).

There's thermal attacks against cpus and temp, also:

ENF (google it)

A treat (ENF Collector in Java):

sourceforge dot net fwdslash projects fwdslash nfienfcollector

No single antimalware scanner exists which offers the ability to scan (mostly proprietary) firmware on AGP/PCI devices (sound cards, graphics cards, usb novelty devices excluding thumb drives), BIOS/CMOS.

If you boot into ultimate boot cd you can use an archane text interface to dump BIOS/CMOS and examine/checksum.

The real attacks which survive disk formats and wipes target your PCI devices and any firmware which may be altered/overwritten with something special. It is not enough to scan your hard drive(s) and thumb drives, the real dangers with teeth infect your hardware devices.

When is the last time you:

Audited your sound card for malware?
Audited your graphics card for malware?
Audited your network card for malware?

Google for:

* AGP and PCI rootkit(s)
* Network card rootkit(s)
* BIOS/CMOS rootkit(s)

Our modern PC hardware is capable of much more than many can imagine.

Do you:

* Know your router's firmware may easily be replaced on a hacker's whim?
* Shield all cables against leakage and attacks
* Still use an old CRT monitor and beg for TEMPEST attacks?
* Use TEMPEST resistant fonts in all of your applications including your OS?
* Know whether or not your wired keyboard has keypresses encrypted as they pass to your PC from the keyboard?
* Use your PC on the grid and expose yourself to possible keypress attacks?
* Know your network card is VERY exploitable when plugged into the net and attacked by a hard core blackhat or any vicious geek with the know how?
* Search out informative papers on these subjects and educate your friends and family about these attacks?
* Contact antimalware companies and urge them to protect against many or all these attacks?

Do you trust your neighbors? Are they all really stupid when it comes to computing or is there a geek or two without a conscience looking to exploit these areas?

The overlooked threat are the potential civilian rogues stationed around you, especially in large apartment blocks who feed on unsecured wifi to do their dirty work.

With the recent news of Russian spies, whether or not this news was real or a psyop, educate yourself on the present threats which all antimalware scanners fail to protect against and remove any smug mask you may wear, be it Linux or OpenBSD, or the proprietary Windows and Mac OS you feel are properly secured and not vulnerable to any outside attacks because you either don't need an antivirus scanner (all are inept to serious attacks) or use one or several (many being proprietary mystery machines sending data to and from your machine for many reasons, one is to share your information with a group or set database to help aid in threats), the threats often come in mysterious ways.

Maybe the ancients had it right: stone tablets and their own unique language(s) rooted in symbolism.

#

I'm more concerned about new rootkits which target PCI devices, such as the graphics card and the optical drives, also, BIOS. Where are the malware scanners which scan PCI devices and BIOS for mismatches? All firmware, BIOS and on PCI devices should be checksummed and saved to match with others in the cloud, and archived when the computer is first used, backing up signed firmware.

When do you recall seeing signed router firmware upgrades with any type of checksum to check against? Same for PCI devices and optical drives and BIOS.

Some have begun with BIOS security:

http://www.biosbits.org/ [biosbits.org]

Some BIOS has write protection in its configuration, a lot of newer computers don't.

#

"Disconnect your PC from the internet and don't add anything you didn't create yourself. It worked for the NOC list machine in Mission Impossible"

The room/structure was likely heavily shielded, whereas most civvies don't shield their house and computer rooms. There is more than meets the eye to modern hardware.

Google:

subversion hack:
tagmeme(dot)com/subhack/

network card rootkits and trojans
pci rootkits
packet radio
xmit "fm fingerprinting" software
"specific emitter identification"
forums(dot)qrz(dot)com

how many malware scanners scan bios/cmos and pci/agp cards for malware? zero, even the rootkit scanners. have you checksummed/dumped your bios/cmos and firmware for all your pci/agp devices and usb devices, esp vanity usb devices in and outside the realm of common usb devices (thumbdrives, external hdds, printers),

Unless your computer room is shielded properly, the computers may still be attacked and used, I've personally inspected computers with no network connection running mysterious code in the background which task manager for windows and the eqiv for *nix does not find, and this didn't find it all.

Inspect your windows boot partition in *nix with hexdump and look for proxy packages mentioned along with command line burning programs and other oddities. Computers are more vulnerable than most would expect.

You can bet all of the malware scanners today, unless they are developed by some lone indy coder in a remote country, employ whitelisting of certain malware and none of them scan HARDWARE devices apart from the common usb devices.

Your network cards, sound cards, cd/dvd drives, graphics cards, all are capable of carrying malware to survive disk formatting/wiping.

Boot from a Linux live cd and use hexdump to examine your windows (and *nix) boot sectors to potentially discover interesting modifications by an unknown party.

#
eof

The Burglar is a Complete Idiot (5, Funny)

guttentag (313541) | about 2 years ago | (#41045639)

Aside from the issue of allowing the iPad to connect to Apple's servers to wipe and reinstall the OS, he should have realized that the real value of an iPad or Mac from Jobs's home would have been the content of the device. If it turned out to be Jobs's personal device (as opposed to his family's), who knows what might have been on it... design plans for rounded hexagons, or seamless rounded translucent-aluminum dodecahedrons? His family, and the world, may have lost this brilliance forever... like burning Leonardo's notebooks for firewood. I hope they throw the MacBook at this barbarian.

Re:The Burglar is a Complete Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046283)

If it turned out to be Jobs's personal device (as opposed to his family's), who knows what might have been on it...

Fuck burglary, as others have pointed out the police have very little time for most burglaries. The real crime is destroying the words of Jobs.

Re:The Burglar is a Complete Idiot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41048369)

This has to be modded funny for the Da Vinci / Jobs comparison

Public Figure? (1)

guttentag (313541) | about 2 years ago | (#41045725)

According to Facebook [facebook.com] , Kenny the Clown is a "public figure!" Like the mayor of Oakland? I don't know which is worse, the idea of Kenny the Clown as a public figure (see the "KTC in da house!" posting from Aug 5... what a nice guy... trying to take the rap for breaking into the Jobs house), or the idea of Facebook defining who is and is not a public figure.

"To connect with Kenny the Clown, sign up for Facebook today." No need, I'm already signed up for iTunes, and I'm sure they could connect me with Kenny easily.

they locked up Kenny you bastards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41045791)

they locked up Kenny you bastards

Wouldn't have been caught if he installed ReactOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41046011)

Law enforcement needs compatibility for information. It's like when they inserted the 5¼" C64 formatted disks with pirated software on them into their MS-DOS systems and found nothing.

Wow (1)

Cute Fuzzy Bunny (2234232) | about 2 years ago | (#41047167)

Last time I lost an electronic device or had it stolen, the exact same people swung into action and recovered it for me.

Oh wait...what? Nobody did anything at all?

Awwwwww.... :(

Bleah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41047201)

Fuck apple.

Taxes too low on rich (4, Interesting)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 years ago | (#41048093)

People whine about progressive taxation, but compare a lost iPhone from Apple with a phone stolen in a "regular" robbery. The poor person gets to give a statement, and if the right serial numbers are turned into the police, he may get a phone call 10 years later, after a trial in which the device was evidence. But Apple makes a phone call, and millions of dollars are spent tracking it.

The rich get special treatment. The rich get protection perks the rest of us don't. Then the rich complain that a poor person in a high-crime area with no police patrols doesn't pay enough taxes, but the rich person in a low-crime area has constant patrols.

The issue here isn't the privacy concerns of your iDevice, but that you are raped by taxes for programs that mainly benefit the rich, while being told that the rich get nothing from the programs because they opt out with private security (though I didn't see any mention of the Apple private security doing the recovery work, that was all government).

Re:Taxes too low on rich (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 2 years ago | (#41051173)

Yup, the rich bitching about how they shoulder a disproportionate % of the "tax burden" seem to fail to neglect to mention that they also collect a disproportionate amount of the benefits of taxes paid.

Re:Taxes too low on rich (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41051383)

FWIW, Job's house was likely the multi-million dollar variety, although everything I've seen indicates that the one in question (the one in Palo Alto) was somewhat understated as billionaire residences go. As such, with Palo Alto's .25% cut of his property taxes, he was paying ~$2500/yr per million in home value in property taxes to the city. A pittance for someone like him, to be sure, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't contributing to the city.

The argument that billionaires like Jobs should be paying higher taxes isn't that they get more in services than they pay in taxes...that's simply foolish. The argument is that the public infrastructure and services have enabled them to earn their fortune in the first place and the social contract dictates that they pay more in recognition of that role that society played in their success.

iPads - Nuke 'Em From Orbit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41052089)

Its the only way to be sure they won't spy on you.

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