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Hackers Hack Handcuffs at H.O.P.E. (Video)

Roblimo posted about 2 years ago | from the over-under-around-and-through dept.

Crime 172

Have you ever been handcuffed and wish you weren't? Even if you haven't, what if you plan to demonstrate at a political party convention in the next couple of weeks? Either way, you need to watch this video, shot by Timothy Lord and unknown_lamer at H.O.P.E. (Hackers on Planet Earth), which will teach you the rudiments of unhandcuffing yourself -- but on purpose leaves out the fine points. For those, you'll need to buy several pairs of handcuffs and practice on your own. At worst, you will probably embarrass yourself no more than Timothy does as he tries to shimmy his handcuffed hands from behind him to in front of him, starting at about 5:18.

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Usually when I'm handcuffed, it's by choice! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41055923)

Grrrrrowwwwlll!

Video...?` (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 2 years ago | (#41056965)

Ok, did I miss it?

I looked at all 3x links in the article, and didn't see the video on any of them....

Handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41055955)

this video ... will teach you the rudiments of unhandcuffing yourself -- but ... leaves out the fine points. ... huh? It either does or it doesn't.

Re:Handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056017)

Do you know what 'rudiments' means?

Re:Handcuffs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056113)

Rudiments could mean anything.

Step one: You get handcuffed.
Check.
Step two: You open the handcuffs.
OK. Wait...
Step three: You remove the handcuffs.
Hmm...

Re:Handcuffs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056179)

rudiments means the basics. Fine point indicates more detail. Quit trying to be smart... you aren't.

I did not kill my wife (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 2 years ago | (#41057537)

I did not kill my wife and then jump into the waterfall.

Re:Handcuffs (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 2 years ago | (#41056561)

"Rudiments". Sure I know!

They're the OPPOSITE of "Sentiments"!

Re:Handcuffs (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056021)

At worst, you will probably embarrass yourself no more than Timothy does as he tries

"Do or do not. There is no try." — Yoda

TIMOTHY LORD IS A BUN LIQUOR!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056101)

"timothy" likes to lick Rob Limo's buns. He is gay and into that thing. Definitely does *NOT* shop at chicken-fil-et!!!

captcha: gayfer

Don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056031)

teach this to your girlfriend

Why Is This Here?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056043)

What's next? You trying to show us how to "hack" a bank and rob it? Or how to remove the anti-shoplifting devices from merchandise at the malls??

This is really low, even for you people.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (4, Funny)

JockTroll (996521) | about 2 years ago | (#41056103)

There are plenty of legitimate good reasons to learn how to free yourself from handcuffs. One of them is being able to call for rescue when your BDSM-obsessed girlfriend has an epileptic seizure after cuffing you up. Oh, sorry, you losers don't have girlfriends.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056197)

There are plenty of legitimate good reasons to learn how to free yourself from handcuffs. One of them is being able to call for rescue when your BDSM-obsessed girlfriend has an epileptic seizure after cuffing you up. Oh, sorry, you losers don't have girlfriends.

Pfft. Like any of us would want a girlfriend with such a generic fetish. Get with the times, man.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#41056637)

There are plenty of legitimate good reasons to learn how to free yourself from handcuffs. One of them is being able to call for rescue when your BDSM-obsessed girlfriend has an epileptic seizure after cuffing you up. Oh, sorry, you losers don't have girlfriends.

This is Slashdot, that is a given for anyone who posts here. Hey, I see that includes you!

Re:Why Is This Here?? (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#41056365)

This is really low, even for you people.

Free clue - The police don't always act in our best interests.

They occasionally cuff people, throw 'em in a cage, and abandon them for days at a time. They occasionally cuff people and then beat the poor helpless bastard silly, claiming "resistance" (which if they want to claim it, at least you should have the ability to defend yourself and earn the extra charges). They occasionally torture handcuffed hippies by pepper-spray coated q-tips to the eyes.

The more ways we have to defend ourselves against the bad ones (which for the sake of argument, I'll pretend count as the minority), the better.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41056461)

Except it doesn't teach you anything and ignores the fact that zip ties are used far more than handcuffs for restrainng people these days. It's just another dumb video of timothy wanking around and the editors thinking this stupid shit will somehow stem the tide of user loss.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (1)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#41056819)

Except it doesn't teach you anything

YMMV. I'll agree it annoys me that the glossed over "the finer points", but a lot of people tend to just assume "you can't do it" until they see someone else succeed. Knowing you can do it often counts as 99% of the challenge.


and ignores the fact that zip ties are used far more than handcuffs for restrainng people these days.

We all know how to get out of plasticuffs already (worst case, you can weaken them enough with a few good rubs against rough concrete to just break them by force, you can melt them, and if you actually have something sharp available, game over). Those don't really apply to traditional steel handcuffs.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (2)

Raistlin77 (754120) | about 2 years ago | (#41057155)

Except it doesn't teach you anything and ignores the fact that zip ties are used far more than handcuffs for restrainng people these days. It's just another dumb video of timothy wanking around and the editors thinking this stupid shit will somehow stem the tide of user loss.

Zip ties use the same principle as handcuffs and a shim is equally as effective. If you're going to bash Timothy, you should at least try not to look like an idiot.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (2)

SomePgmr (2021234) | about 2 years ago | (#41056731)

That's silly. Many of us know how to do all kinds of illegal things, because there are other reasons to know them, or even for no reason at all.

I'm sure you know quite a few things that could get you in trouble, but don't do anything illegal with that information.

Re:Why Is This Here?? (2)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41057083)

"I'm sure you know quite a few things that could get you in trouble, but don't do anything illegal with that information."

Some people just don't get that knowledge is valuable, and the same knowledge can be used by the occasional criminal for evil, but at the same time used by the majority, for doing good.

"That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved." -- Benjamin Franklin, letter to Benjamin Vaughan, March 14, 1785.

come on (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056063)

I am so sick of partial info that "leaves out the finer points". If you want to make good information, include ALL of the information.

Re:come on (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056993)

eHow: How to understand the finer points

1. Obtain finer points
2. Read them

I'm sure there's a law against that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056123)

three, two, one...

tazer him.

Re:I'm sure there's a law against that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056459)

Of course there is. Unless you're only learning this to get out of kinky sex accidents, it's a recipe for an instant resiting arrest charge.

Handcuffs... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056131)

the chains are easy enough to break. Just eat your wheaties and work out, slashbots.

P.S. If any of you OccuTards protest teh GOP convention, I hope you get shot and killed.

FUCK YOU, OCCUTARDS!

Re:Handcuffs... (-1, Offtopic)

Shikaku (1129753) | about 2 years ago | (#41056189)

You do know the amount of people that were for the American revolution was very small, and organized and worked pretty much the same way right? The only issue that's truly different is a lot of Occupy want to remove the large amount of student debt versus the large amount of British taxation.

http://www.credit.com/blog/2010/08/student-loan-debt-passes-credit-card-debt-830-billion/ [credit.com]

PS: Look at the date on that. August, 2010.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

ichthus (72442) | about 2 years ago | (#41056299)

The student debt that they willingly incurred? That, versus the imposed British taxation... yeah, there's a difference.

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056355)

If you read anything at all about how the debt was issued in the first place,
you'll discover a world of prefered lenders, kickbacks, conflicts of interest, excessive interest rates, etc etc etc.

Pretty much every bad thing that could be done with a loan was being done with student loans.
And legally, they're much harder to shed, even in bankruptcy.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

ichthus (72442) | about 2 years ago | (#41056569)

I understand this. Student loans are shady -- granted. This does not change that fact that each person taking out the loan consciously and freely made the decision to sign on the dotted line. They knew how much debt they would be incurring, and under what interest rate they'd have to pay.

And again, the burden of student loans is not even in the same ballpark as the imposed British tyranny and taxation that sparked the Revolution.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

batquux (323697) | about 2 years ago | (#41056831)

I remember, as I perused the promissory note, I was told I would get a copy so I could read it later. Fat lot of good that does me AFTER I sign it.

Re:Handcuffs... (3, Interesting)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41056959)

" They knew how much debt they would be incurring, and under what interest rate they'd have to pay. "

But here is what many of them did not know, when they made future plans and started their post-secondary education:

(1) That the government would progressively tighten the terms and time limits for repaying the loans.

(2) That the government would progressively reduce grants and direct loans, and rely on more private loans at higher interest rates.

(3) That the economy would crash due to Wall Street greed and government collusion in same, and that they would not be able to find a decent job for years, if then.

(4) That the government would change the rules about defaults. Many of today's M.D.s and Ph.D.s defaulted on their student loans... and go unpenalized. Yet today, a liberal-arts or business graduate, with far lower debt but who can't finde a decent job, finds him- or herself in a position in which the loan can never be forgiven, bankruptcy is not an option, and their tax returns (if any) are seized by the government every year unless and until the loans are paid off.

No, they didn't necessarily know all this going in, because the government changed it gradually, year after year.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

rk (6314) | about 2 years ago | (#41057527)

An agreement only one side can change whenever they desire is no agreement at all.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056585)

The student debt that they willingly incurred? That, versus the imposed British taxation... yeah, there's a difference.

Did the debt ridden students go to a private school rather than a public school? Did the debt ridden students live the "college lifestyle" and party all the time or did they get part-time and summer jobs to avoid, or limit, going into debt?

The average cost of a 4 year public school in the U.S is under $15K per year including room and board. Part-time plus summer work can significantly contribute to those costs. If the student was in a technical field then part-time/summer work may even pay for school and allow someone to graduate debt free.

If someone is $100-150K in debt from college I want a little more info before they get my sympathy.

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057541)

I will say these things:

1: Most employers will not take a candidate seriously unless they have a degree in their field. In the past, major didn't matter, but these days, it does.

2: This forces people to get a degree in order to have any chance of advancing beyond helpdesk-level work. Want to be a dev, or even a manager? Gotta have that BS in BS.

3: Oh... can't forget. People blame US students for being fools in getting debt-ridden for an education. Then they wonder why there are no educated Americans and companies have to go fishing for H-1Bs? Look in the mirror; every other first world country gives college-level education for minimal to no cost to at least some of the people. My friend from China has priority for admittance in the local university here, all the doing nothing but partying while making his 4.0 average. Cost to him? zero yuan. Same with my Swedish collegue.

So, while people point to students and curse at them for having student loans, just remember: At least they are trying to better themselves, while other countries allow their citizens to get just as good education on their taxes.

And we wonder why the US is left behind in the STEM areas... Too many stupid people failing to understand that money spent to sow a field might result in a harvest later... maybe past the next fiscal quarter later, but still nonetheless.

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056909)

Every single person should have reasonable means of getting a good education.
It is so important that many nations consider it a basic human right.

That includes progressing all the way to a master degree not being a significant financial investment.
Before you ask, no spending decades to get one or a whole bunch of them wouldn't be covered by that.

Its simply one of the easiest ways to allow everyone to move socially upwards - or - downwards based on their own achievements.
Limiting the means of your people to aquire education is somewhere between extremely shortsighted, outright evil or in violation of human rights.

If you rely on science and creativity you also don't want to artificially limit education.
Education is somewhat significant and long term investment but it will always pay off well for society.
When a society limits higher education to the wealthy and elite, you'll end up nobility and peasants after a short time.

Instead you could have a nation of opportunities for everyone, even those born into poor families.
But you chose to turn education into a business plan, to make profits by running schools or at the very least continue to let it happen.

You, as a society, deserve what you'll get for that decision.

Re:Handcuffs... (1, Insightful)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about 2 years ago | (#41057105)

Every single person should have reasonable means of getting a good education.
It is so important that many nations consider it a basic human right.

Yes, that's why an English student in England is required to pay up to £9,000 a year to attend each course while a Scottish student in England isn't required to pay a penny (yes, makes fuck all sense but there it is).

That includes progressing all the way to a master degree not being a significant financial investment.
Before you ask, no spending decades to get one or a whole bunch of them wouldn't be covered by that.

It's been the same for as long as I can remember. Every English person I know who has gone through an English university has finished up an average £40k in debt. This is not isolated. I'm sure it is a similar story elsewhere.

Its simply one of the easiest ways to allow everyone to move socially upwards - or - downwards based on their own achievements.
Limiting the means of your people to aquire education is somewhere between extremely shortsighted, outright evil or in violation of human rights.

...What, the UK is the yardstick in respecting Human Rights? Not in your lifetime.

If you rely on science and creativity you also don't want to artificially limit education.
Education is somewhat significant and long term investment but it will always pay off well for society.
When a society limits higher education to the wealthy and elite, you'll end up nobility and peasants after a short time.

Oh, like we have now, you mean...

Instead you could have a nation of opportunities for everyone, even those born into poor families.
But you chose to turn education into a business plan, to make profits by running schools or at the very least continue to let it happen.

Aha! Now you're getting it!

You, as a society, deserve what you'll get for that decision.

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

ichthus (72442) | about 2 years ago | (#41057267)

I went to a state college (the University of Utah), and never took out a student loan. I worked part and full time during each semester, and two jobs during the summer to get my "4-year" Computer Engineering degree in 7.5 years. I'm not patting myself on the back -- I'm pointing out that there are alternatives to digging one's self into debt oblivion for the sake of a degree. I'd have a hard time believing this couldn't be done in other states around the US as well.

And, call me a snob, but I have little sympathy for the latte-sipping, indoor scarf wearing hipster who went $100k in the red at a private college to study art history.

College doesn't require huge debt in U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057473)

Every single person should have reasonable means of getting a good education. It is so important that many nations consider it a basic human right.

We seem to agree with that idea in the U.S. That is why we have an excellent system of state universities at a reasonable cost, on average under $15K per year including room and board. Even a part-time job flipping burgers would make a significant dent in those costs and help to avoid loans. For those fortunate enough to be studying in a field that has part-time entry level positions the pay can be good enough to cover these costs completely and be debt free.

1/3 supported revolution ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41056417)

You do know the amount of people that were for the American revolution was very small, ...

No. About 1/3 of the Colonials supported the revolution. That is a large number. That is literally about the percentage that are registered Democrats or registered Republicans according to a recent survey.

Re:1/3 supported revolution ... (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41056985)

"About 1/3 of the Colonials supported the revolution. That is a large number. That is literally about the percentage that are registered Democrats or registered Republicans according to a recent survey."

Which leaves the remaining 1/3 just about ready to revolt against the Democrats and Republicans.

Sounds about right.

Re:1/3 supported revolution ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41057071)

"About 1/3 of the Colonials supported the revolution. That is a large number. That is literally about the percentage that are registered Democrats or registered Republicans according to a recent survey."

Which leaves the remaining 1/3 just about ready to revolt against the Democrats and Republicans. Sounds about right.

Not really. The historical precedent would be the remaining 1/3 are neutral and not getting involved. Now that seems about "right".

"Right" as in accurate, not as in good.

Re:1/3 supported revolution ... (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41057459)

"Not really. The historical precedent would be the remaining 1/3 are neutral and not getting involved. Now that seems about "right"."

Except that they aren't, so historical precedent does not necessarily apply.

And awful lot of the protesters are independent, and sick to their stomachs of the "Big 2" parties. Count on it.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | about 2 years ago | (#41057079)

To be fair, the revolutionaries may have been smaller in number, but that amounted to a greater percentage of the people. If even just 20 to 30 percent of the populous agrees with you, it's a lot easier to get stuff accomplished. Also, distance made the American revolution a lot easier for the people who lived here compared to those who lived on the other side of the ocean.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#41056291)

P.S. If any of you OccuTards protest teh GOP convention, I hope you get shot and killed.

Why bother? I for one look forward to the Paulites schooling the whole convention in Robert's Rules the same way they did in Maine and Nevada. That'll make for much better entertainment (and a presidential candidate for whom I might actually want to vote) than watching the media butcher another round of Occupiers by asking them "hard" questions like "what do you want."

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056889)

Good luck with that. The republicans (including the tea partiers) don't want a candidate that will actually consider the Constitution to be more than just a goddamned piece of paper. Why, if they actually had to follow the rules, they wouldn't be able to hand out our tax money like candy to their supporters, spy on citizens without a warrant, and of course they'd have no say on gay marriage at the federal level.

That's what the election's all about: fuck spending, fuck taxes, fuck the Constitution, just don't fuck someone the same gender as yourself.

Re:Handcuffs... (1)

gorzek (647352) | about 2 years ago | (#41056439)

Well, they got the "Anonymous Coward" part right on that one.

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056689)

the chains are easy enough to break. Just eat your wheaties and work out, slashbots.

P.S. If any of you OccuTards protest teh GOP convention, I hope you get shot and killed.

FUCK YOU, OCCUTARDS!

Only true Americans protest the evil GOP.

Re:Handcuffs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056753)

the chains are easy enough to break. Just eat your wheaties and work out, slashbots.

P.S. If any of you OccuTards protest teh GOP convention, I hope you get shot and killed.

FUCK YOU, OCCUTARDS!

A month from now, you will learn that you have terminal cancer.

The world will thus soon be a better place.

Brilliant (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#41056149)

Breaking news from 1962..... handcuffs can be opened without a key!

Re:Brilliant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056205)

oldskool will never die!

Re:Brilliant (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41056639)

"Breaking news from 1962..... handcuffs can be opened without a key!"

More like 1562. Get with the times, man.

Re:Brilliant (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#41057007)

1962, lets see... I was 10 and practicing magic, so yes, hacking handcuffs for 50 years (although I haven't since I was 16 and demonstrated to a cop that I could. He was impressed).

And here I didn't think I was a hacker until I started repurposing hardware as a teenager!

Ah, there it is! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056199)

I clicked every link in the post twice before I realized where to find the video...

And now I know what it's like for grandma to "surf the Internets".

Re:Ah, there it is! (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 2 years ago | (#41056443)

Ah, back in the good old days where, when you saw "watch this video" it was a hyperlink, clearly telling you where the video was located.

Now that we have abusive ads all over the place and all run flash blockers, but everyone likes to do embedded videos because clicking on links is so old fashioned, none of us can tell when TFV is anymore.

Re:Ah, there it is! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056547)

I clicked every link in the post twice before I realized where to find the video...

I still haven't found it. Thanks OP for I don't know, complaining without having any specific information? Oh, wait, they're with OWS, I understand now.

i can remove any handcuffs except (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056201)

i can remove any handcuffs except the twist tie ones thats why they use those however there are ways to break those anyways.....

Handcuffs at a large protest...not! (1)

kevmeister (979231) | about 2 years ago | (#41056227)

At large operations where a lot of people are detained (or even arrested), handcuffs are not used. Too expensive and too bulky to have to use a couple hundred at a time. Zip ties (nylon cable ties) are used. They are both easier and harder to escape from than real handcuffs as they can be easily cut and can generally be opened with a paper clip, but it takes help and close physical access by the other party for these. (You could probably do it on your own if you can get the paper clip to your mouth and your hands in front of you, but it still would be very tricky as the target is small and you won't be able to see it in that position.)

Re:Handcuffs at a large protest...not! (1)

berashith (222128) | about 2 years ago | (#41056359)

It is much harder to move your hands in front of you when detained with zip ties. The chain between the cuffs allows a gap that makes getting your ass between your forearms much easier.

Re:Handcuffs at a large protest...not! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056367)

Uh, no...they're not (harder to escape from). I can show you (as can a little Google'ing) how to escape from even the stoutest of zip-cuffs in under 1 second. Doesn't mater if you're cuffed front or back. This was (and I'm certain still is) standard training for SOC, SERE and Counter Intel in the military (where I was taught) and is common knowledge (apparently not as common as I thought however). Do yourself a favor and head on over to ITS Tactical and you can see an instruction video from one of my buddies on how to properly 'pop' zip-cuffs with one fluid motion.

Re:Handcuffs at a large protest...not! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056527)

This sort of thing is not meant for the determined fellow. It is meant for the normal fellow. 99% of the people out there will have no clue how to do it.

It is crowd control. Zip-em, sit-em, watch-em, haul-em.

I also 100% guarantee you pop one in front of an officer will be bringing out the night stick. So be prepared for a beating if you bother to do this. And remember most of the time those guys are on edge and ready to crack a skull.

Just remember you can be right, DEAD right. Just because you think you are right or even are right does not mean the guy holding the club thinks you are...

http://xkcd.com/538/

Re:Handcuffs at a large protest...not! (4, Interesting)

mellyra (2676159) | about 2 years ago | (#41057335)

Uh, no...they're not (harder to escape from). I can show you (as can a little Google'ing) how to escape from even the stoutest of zip-cuffs in under 1 second. Doesn't mater if you're cuffed front or back. This was (and I'm certain still is) standard training for SOC, SERE and Counter Intel in the military (where I was taught) and is common knowledge (apparently not as common as I thought however). Do yourself a favor and head on over to ITS Tactical and you can see an instruction video from one of my buddies on how to properly 'pop' zip-cuffs with one fluid motion.

only problem is that law enforcement doesn't use home depot zip cuffs (primarily because these can cut into your wrists in really nasty ways if you struggle) but special models which (besides having rounded edges and being pretty expensive) are also much harder to break or shim your way out of.

Re:Handcuffs at a large protest...not! (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41056535)

They aren't actually cable ties. They are specially designed for use as handcuffs. Specifically, they are harder to shim and made so that (normally) you need a special "key" to open them or to cut them off.

And this is why they use zip-ties now. (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | about 2 years ago | (#41056231)

Handcuffs are just for restraining drunks. For the real dangerous folks (protesters, students, etc) you use zip ties.

Re:And this is why they use zip-ties now. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056319)

Zip ties work in the same fashion as handcuffs, and use a small retainer pin to keep tension. You can still use the shim technique, but with a smaller and sharper shim.

Re:And this is why they use zip-ties now. (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about 2 years ago | (#41056873)

standard zip ties can be broken by overloading. There are zip ties which have non-return metal ratchets against the plastic which are practically impossible to defeat without a purpose-made shim or a pair of sidecutters. As these are designed to hold things like submarine cables they're not really suitable for restraint, in fact can be dangerous, so they're not used.

Re:And this is why they use zip-ties now. (1)

Kozz (7764) | about 2 years ago | (#41056587)

Handcuffs are just for restraining drunks. For the real dangerous folks (protesters, students, etc) you use zip ties.

On the other hand, I recall seeing a video a short time ago in which a person volunteered to be zip-tied so they could demonstrate breaking them. It seemed to consist of getting your wrists beneath your backside and forcefully squatting down to snap them. I could be recalling the details wrong, but you can surely find a youtube video of people demonstrating this technique that would presumably not work with handcuffs unless they were already materially compromised in some way.

Re:And this is why they use zip-ties now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056805)

Handcuffs are just for restraining drunks. For the real dangerous folks (protesters, students, etc) you use zip ties.

On the other hand, I recall seeing a video a short time ago in which a person volunteered to be zip-tied so they could demonstrate breaking them. It seemed to consist of getting your wrists beneath your backside and forcefully squatting down to snap them.

Zip ties are easy to break. They're also small and cheap, so the cops can put lots of them on you.

Re:And this is why they use zip-ties now. (1)

MagicM (85041) | about 2 years ago | (#41057307)

getting your wrists beneath your backside and forcefully squatting down to snap them

No, thank you.

Re:And this is why they use zip-ties now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056711)

I have been "reusing" old cable ties by "shimming" them for ages.

dfgdfgdfg (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056237)

http://chimcanh.nhatnghe.org

Cute Hack (2)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41056261)

But like many hacks, notable for being interesting rather than useful, since cops who need to restrain a lot of people at once use plastic ties, not handcuffs. For an applicable hack see the lastest episode of Breaking Bad [amazon.com] .

Going from back to front is probably genetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056267)

I'm one of those guys with some "double" joints, including my shoulders. The left one is really loose. I did it with handcuffs one time when I was a teenager, just to prove it could be done. I don't think I would do it now unless I was really desperate. The joint is still loose, but age makes everything harder. I also wonder about possible blood clots or other internal damage from doing it, which I didn't think about when I was a teen because all teens are immortal. :).

Re:Going from back to front is probably genetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056665)

LOL, I did it overhead. It never occured to me to try and pull my legs through. Google around. There are vids of people doing overhead handcuff bring-arounds. After seeing the 2nd guy fail at pulling his legs through, I think they may *both* be genetic. If you have short arms, a long torso, and stiff joints then you are SOL.

Re:Going from back to front is probably genetic (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | about 2 years ago | (#41056969)

I'm one of those guys with some "double" joints, including my shoulders. The left one is really loose. I did it with handcuffs one time when I was a teenager, just to prove it could be done. I don't think I would do it now unless I was really desperate. The joint is still loose, but age makes everything harder. I also wonder about possible blood clots or other internal damage from doing it, which I didn't think about when I was a teen because all teens are immortal. :).

Mel Gibson? Is that you?

Or you can .... (1)

3seas (184403) | about 2 years ago | (#41056269)

...use a key.

Re:Or you can .... (1)

3seas (184403) | about 2 years ago | (#41056293)

For info on where to get one...... If I have to tell you then you don't need one... or you don't deserve one.

Re:Or you can .... (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#41057295)

...use a key.

Or a paper clip. Which of course IS a key once you finish bending it.

GAHAHAHAHAH (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056297)

so worth it

leaves out the fine points. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056353)

You people are wimps.. appealing to authority. Fuck you! You're not nerds. You're dorks! You should close this site down and hang your heads in shame. You goddamn people would probably turn in fugitive slaves. Assholes!

Hey, Slashdot... Don't Bother Embedding Video! (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41056475)

EVERY TIME I have tried to watch an embedded video on Slashdot, it has been abysmally slow to load. An almost complete waste of my time.

JUST LINK TO VIDEOS, DON'T TRY TO EMBED. You are doing your readers a disservice. Just add a link and let people watch off the original server. It works far better.

Re:Hey, Slashdot... Don't Bother Embedding Video! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057103)

Yep. I get a beautiful black box written:

You need to have the Adobe Flash Player to view this content.
Please click here to continue.

So Slashdot is a corporate shill and doesn't support either M4V or Theora? a shame...

Re:Hey, Slashdot... Don't Bother Embedding Video! (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41057491)

It isn't that. It's that I have my Flash player set to reject requests for "local storage" (otherwise known as "flash cookies").

Which is a different issue, but just as bad. Slashdot should know better than to allow such a thing on their site.

Re:Hey, Slashdot... Don't Bother Embedding Video! (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41057235)

In this case it turns out that the Ooyala player insists on using "local storage" ("flash cookies") before it will work at all, but I do not allow sites to use local storage. Nor should anything on Slashdot be dependent on such a nefarious system in order to work.

Bad move, Slashdot.

Flash Video? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056531)

Can Slashdot of all sites use a flash video player that actually works with Flash for Linux? All I see instead of a video is a black box.

At least with Vimeo, you can go straight to their site to see the video. Youtube is about the only one that works consistently.

What's the escalation in penalties? (3, Informative)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 2 years ago | (#41056553)

So let's say you're illegally protesting (without a permit, disturbing bystanders, not disbursing..etc) and you get cuffed by the cops.

What's the increase in penalties vs. just staying cuffed? ... a bit of research later...

Seems that you can spend up to a year in jail [onecle.com] for what is now a misdemeanor, as opposed to getting a ticket for the infraction.

Re:What's the escalation in penalties? (3, Informative)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41056775)

"Seems that you can spend up to a year in jail for what is now a misdemeanor, as opposed to getting a ticket for the infraction."

Resisting arrest has always carried relatively harsh penalties. Theoretically, though, you have to do it actively (struggle or try to escape), as opposed to passively (sitting down or lying limp).

Re:What's the escalation in penalties? (1)

ImprovOmega (744717) | about 2 years ago | (#41056887)

I'm not a lawyer, but is it considered "attempting to escape" if you just pop the cuffs and sit there? For me personally I get claustrophobic when confined like that. I wouldn't be terribly bothered being arrested as such, but the cuffs would really irritate me. What if you popped them off and sat politely in the car? Would that still run afoul of this section?

Re:What's the escalation in penalties? (2)

NonFerrousBueller (1175131) | about 2 years ago | (#41057217)

Well, there's "can they charge you with it?" and there's "do you want to pay for a lawyer to defend you from it?" I'm quite sure popping any restraints, no matter what you do afterwards, is going to get you further charges, either escape or resisting arrest. Neither furthers your cause. If you're protesting to make a point, don't give the press or the judge further ammo. A future prospective employer/border control officer may not care so much about a disorderly conduct if the reasons are explained, but the resisting arrest or escape can look a lot worse.

Look, if you're protesting, you should go into it knowing how far you're willing to go, and if it's arrest, just take the medicine and get on with it. Most cops would much rather be fighting "real" crime than clearing away a bunch of filthy free software types upset about Unity,

Re:What's the escalation in penalties? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057111)

Why has the parent post been repeatedly modded down? It's a valid and very important point that attempting to escape after you've been arrested is very, very stupid and will increase the penalty tremendously.

need to watch this video (1)

FrenchDoors (2711733) | about 2 years ago | (#41056573)

need to watch this video, shot by Timothy Lord and unknown_lamer at H.O.P.E. (Hackers on Planet Earth), which will teach you the rudiments of unhandcuffing yourself -- but on purpose leaves out the fine points

I fail to see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41056715)

how this is considered hacking...

Another OWS shill thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057033)

Would the editors please stop approving this kind of crap. I know the shills are voting it up, but still use some editorial judgement.

Re:Another OWS shill thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057533)

I know the shills are voting it up

This is a lie. You are a liar.

Obvious but also interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41057143)

When I was a kid, we had a few sets of handcuffs for play. I'd escape readily through having spare keys, dislocating my thumb, or using a shim. However, they weren't "real" cuffs and I could have probably forced the mechanism, bent the links, etc. if I was determined enough. That is, they weren't real, quality cuffs. However, what continually surprises me is how well these techniques apparently work on real police cuffs.

Torrent Link (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about 2 years ago | (#41057331)

Here is a link to a torrent [hattorrents.com] in case you, like me, don't allow sites to used "local storage" via Flash but you still want to see the video.

How Stupid (0)

mholve (1101) | about 2 years ago | (#41057555)

So it's a video about nothing... Since the "finer points" are missing.

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