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$900,000 Raised For Buying Tesla's Lab

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the mad-scientists-at-work dept.

The Almighty Buck 123

icebraining writes "As Slashdot reported earlier, The Oatmeal's Matthew Inman launched a funding campaign to help the Tesla Science Center, a 503(c) non-profit, buy the place of Tesla's final laboratory, the Wardenclyffe Tower in Shoreham, New York. Well, thanks to 21511 contributors, it has already raised $912,080, well above the original $850,000 goal. But it's not too late to help: any money raised above the goal will be used by the organization to build a museum dedicated to Tesla."

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123 comments

Not very shocking. (5, Funny)

BMOC (2478408) | about 2 years ago | (#41082549)

I would expect this endeavor to generate some electricity and buzz.

Re:Not very shocking. (1)

Quakeulf (2650167) | about 2 years ago | (#41082711)

Well, the Slashdot-effect put the site down in a flash!

INFOGRAPHICS SUCK!!! MOD ME UP!!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083935)

Well, the Slashdot-effect put the site down in a flash!

Site's still up.

I saw a request for funding being argued the other day by this guy by an "infographic." You end up with about five words on the screen before you have to scoll your wheel three times to get to the next four words. For such a project in the name of science, you would think that they wouldn't insult my intelligence.

It's funny how far just a short paragraph can go, but oh no, paragraphs are old and outdated. You're better off spending ten minutes reading a ten-word infographic than you are spending one minute reading a 200-word paragraph.

All in the name of "YAY! SCIENCE!!!" rather than science or literacy.

Re:INFOGRAPHICS SUCK!!! MOD ME UP!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084089)

Yeah man. Was this it? Infographic.....translates to what? Information picture?

A picture is worth a zillion words herp a derp a derp!!!

I love how they try to keep your attention by putting a BUT! that spans the entire screen.

Yeah, it's retarded [theoatmeal.com]

Face it. The Internet is a septic tank. A ticking time bomb of sewage and methane.

MODERATORS!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41086185)

Mod parent up

Re:INFOGRAPHICS SUCK!!! MOD ME UP!!! (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 2 years ago | (#41084101)

Pictures (graphics, in this case) are more memorable than printed words.

Re:INFOGRAPHICS SUCK!!! MOD ME UP!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084419)

Well then I guess it wouldnt offend you if I demand you to LICK MY SALTY CHOCOLATE BALLZ!!! Cuz that aint memorable, idiot

Re:Not very shocking. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083215)

And if the museum is built there may be some hair raising adventures in store for participants.

Cool! (2)

jamstar7 (694492) | about 2 years ago | (#41082585)

I totally love the idea of preserving this site.

Think they'll sell working copies of those nifty steampunk stun guns in the gift shop?

Re:Cool! (1)

cffrost (885375) | about 2 years ago | (#41083929)

Think they'll sell working copies of those nifty steampunk stun guns in the gift shop?

In our litigious society? Hell no. If you want one anyway, here's DIY project for something similarly inspired that you might be interested in:

https://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/plasma-gun.htm [rmcybernetics.com]

Error in summary (4, Informative)

FalconZero (607567) | about 2 years ago | (#41082629)

A small error, but the original goal was $850,000 - which is slightly important, as it was the required goal to attain matched funding from local government.

Re:Error in summary (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41082923)

Actually, that was the max matching that the local government would provide. The local government offered to match any amount raised up to that amount.

Re:Error in summary (5, Informative)

WillgasM (1646719) | about 2 years ago | (#41082937)

Actually, they said they would match anything up to $850k. They'll probably be able to get the property for much cheaper since they're able to pay cash. The Current $1.6m bid that they wanted to beat was apparently financed. With some luck, they should already have some funds leftover to start the museum.

would be better without government funds (0, Troll)

Shivetya (243324) | about 2 years ago | (#41083059)

for two reasons.

No undue interference later.

Not making people we don't know pay for stuff someone else wants. People are incredibly generous with OTHER people's money.

Re:would be better without government funds (4, Insightful)

frosty_tsm (933163) | about 2 years ago | (#41083653)

Right, because government never spent money on a museum before.

Government does spend money on efforts to increase tourism, which brings money to the local economy. A Tesla museum in theory would bring more visitors to spend money (if nothing else, on food, gas, hotel, shopping, etc). There's nothing new here. Requiring the $850k to be raised is a test to confirm this is something people would want to come see.

Re:would be better without government funds (2)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41084479)

The Statue of Liberty wouldn't have been built unless Americans paid for and built it's pedastel/ base. That was a huge amount of money at the time, all paid for by private citizens, many of them schoolchildren donating saved pennies. http://www.statueofliberty.org/Statue_History.html [statueofliberty.org] I think the Tesla Museum will be great! Here is thee BBC news story link.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19343855 [bbc.co.uk]

Re:would be better without government funds (3, Insightful)

cusco (717999) | about 2 years ago | (#41085193)

And it was built on public land and has been maintained and renovated with public money. The really big difference between 1886 and today is that corporations and their executives felt an obligation to society (even the robber barons) so actually contributed to the effort. Good luck financing anything like that today, as modern business ethics classes teach that if it doesn't increase shareholder value then the executive class is pretty much forbidden to do it. This is what we get for letting a bunch of MBAs and lawyers who have never done an honest day's work run our society.

Re:would be better without government funds (2)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 2 years ago | (#41085639)

The Republican National Convention is being held in a convention facility two thirds financed by public funds.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/08/22/gop_convention_held_in_stadium_built_with_public_funds.html [politicalwire.com]

The Tuesday night session at the Republican National Convention will be themed "We Built This!" in a dual effort to celebrate American entrepreneurship and attack President Obama's infamous comments to business owners.

However, the Daily Dolt reports the stadium was financed primarily with public funds. "The Tampa Bay Times Forum arena, which houses the Tampa Bay Lightning, was built in 1996 as the 'Ice Palace' with 62% government funds. The total budget for the project was $139 million, of which public money accounted for $86 million and team money accounted for $53 million.

Perhaps the RNC should change their slogan to "Someone else built this with mostly government money".

Let's build a goddamn time machine! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41082645)

So that we can travel back in time and build a Tesla museum in 1917 Shoreham, New York!

Re:Let's build a goddamn time machine! (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#41083525)

The place is looking kind of run-down [google.com] , but its been chain link fenced for years.

No idea how it looks on the inside.

Re:Let's build a goddamn time machine! (1)

Amouth (879122) | about 2 years ago | (#41084913)

for something that's been abandoned that long, it doesn't look that bad really.

Re:Let's build a goddamn time machine! (2)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#41086691)

Not abandoned so much as mothballed, there is a guard shack, and presumably some care-taker at least part time.

I hope they reinstate the tower (5, Insightful)

belgianguy (1954708) | about 2 years ago | (#41082669)

While I'm aware that'll probably be the last of their worries, it would complete the location and make it more 'monumental'.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (1, Interesting)

nido (102070) | about 2 years ago | (#41082925)

The heirs to JP Morgan's energy industry would NOT be very happy about the revival of Tesla's vision of free wireless power for all.

Remember that JP Morgan pulled his funding when Tesla didn't know how to incorporate an electric meter into his system for extracting energy from the aether ("higgs field" is the latest term, I think).

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (5, Insightful)

belgianguy (1954708) | about 2 years ago | (#41083119)

Oh I know, there's probably a whole slew of objections against reinstating the tower with all its original functionality. Not being able to meter it would be one of the least worrisome IMO. While it would be uber-cool, it's probably not possible as the location itself is turning into a museum, not a 'bleeding-edge' lab and it therefore can't be doing dangerous experiments. Not to speak of building code violations, possible negative effects on nearby (modern) electric equipment, additional effects on local fauna/flora etc.

I'd be very happy already if they could rebuild the tower in looks only, as it looks so otherworldly and adds some uniqueness to the location. Furthermore it'd be visible from pretty far away, giving Tesla that visibility and validation that he had to miss out on for so long.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (5, Informative)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about 2 years ago | (#41083145)

Basic physics says you can't extract that much energy from electromagnetic fields like that. Most fields diminish with an inverse square law (although magnetic fields actually diminish with an inverse cube for complicated reasons).

Remember that JP Morgan pulled his funding when Tesla didn't know how to incorporate an electric meter into his system for extracting energy from the aether ("higgs field" is the latest term, I think).

Ok. First, the notion of an aether was a ubiquitous substance necessary to explain among other things how electromagnetic waves traveled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether [wikipedia.org] . There was in the late 19th century and early 20th century, the reasonable but ultimately incorrect beliefs that waves required a medium to travel through. Since the main waves people were used to all obeyed that, it seemed reasonable. 20th century physics (especially Einstein's work) removed most of the reasons for thinking one would need an ether. Second, the Higgs field http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_field [wikipedia.org] has nothing to do with this but is, very roughly speaking, an attempt to explain where the mass of elementary particles comes from. There's no way Tesla would have known anything about it. He had neither the math nor the particle physics knowledge to even guess at such a thing. You are essentially combining a variety of different ideas together that have little to do with each other.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (-1)

nido (102070) | about 2 years ago | (#41083539)

There's no way Tesla would have known anything about it.

Tesla grokked physics like no one else before or (perhaps) since. One of his visions revealed to him how light, magnetism and gravity all interact. The understanding came in an instant, but much development was required to turn the vision/insight into something practical. R&D requires capital, and JP Morgan et al only provided capital so long as it could offer a return. Remember that Tesla tore up his licensing agreement with Westinghouse so the electric system would be built out with alternating current.

Modern physics has nothing on Nikola Tesla.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (5, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about 2 years ago | (#41083721)

That's simply the cult of Tesla. He was very bright and had a lot of good ideas but to say things like "Modern physics has nothing on Nikola Tesla" or "Tesla grokked physics like no one else before or (perhaps) since" simply isn't accurate. If we want to go with the celebrity route, Feynman would be the obvious counterexample to the second statement, especially since Tesla did absolutely no work in many fields of physics at all. But more to the point, Tesla couldn't have grokked things that well since the knowledge simply wasn't there, and because it is very hard for a single human to do everything. Thus for example Tesla never worked with superconductors (although they were known in his lifetime). Similarly, Tesla had as far as we can tell, no overarching ideas about theory that were at all helpful.

And of course, Tesla came out against special and general relativity. While it is conceivable that GR might have issues, SR is pretty damn well one of the best established theories there is. Tesla was just wrong.

Tesla was a man. A brilliant man, but a nevertheless, a man and not a god.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084745)

I occasionally like to troll Tesla cultists with DC > AC. It's just to poke fun at folks with the most superficial understanding of electricity who believe the opposite blanket statement.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083695)

There's been some recent work (saw a TED talk which discussed it), which may break the universality of the 'inverse square law' in that regard. Given that the TED talk was a 10-15 minute presentation, the details were slim, but it was interesting, and had some promise.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (4, Funny)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#41083787)

Ah, but Sir, you besmirch the name of Tesla!
Blasphemy!
Faithful followers of Father Tesla will not be pleased.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084167)

The "Proof" that the Aether did not exist is supposed to come from the Michelson Morely experiment. This proposed that the dopler shift would be affected by the movement of the Aether in space and that there would be no constant speed from the experiment. (Look this up)

The problem with the experiment is that it is technically flawed. It presumes that light bounces off of a mirror. Electo-optics shows it doesn't it is absorbed and retransmitted thereby causing the only thing measured to be the local occilator that is the surface of the mirror. The experiment proved nothing and it also gave the false impression that C was a constant when optical color fringes demonstrate that light actually varies in speed with color. (I know all that "in a media" stuff) Bluntly everything is in a media and there is no location that isn't and guess what... That is proof of the Aether. Game over guys.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41085273)

Electo-optics shows it doesn't it is absorbed and retransmitted thereby causing the only thing measured to be the local occilator that is the surface of the mirror.

The second half of that does not follow from the first. Yes, the reflection involves the interaction of EM fields with the surface, and the surface re-radiating the fields, that has been understood for a very long time. Even when treating light like that, you still recover the same reflection properties found from before for simple mirrors that are based on a metal surface or dielectric multi-layer mirrors. How reflections work was and is pretty well understood, and doesn't impact the experiment in the sense such interferometer designs have two identical setups for each beam path, and they are look for not differences in the beams, but differences when some other thing is changed (like the angle of the setup). The effects of the mirrors and many other kinds of imperfections don't matter, as they would subtract out when comparing the two cases.

Additionally, if there was a difference in the speed of light at different optical frequencies, many researchers working with femtosecond lasers would have noticed. They create pulses of light that are very short, so hence involve superposition of a very broadband signal composed of many different colors of light. Yet they very accurately track the propagation of phases within the wave, and many affects observed with such setups are only practical because they can control and have predictive power of dispersion.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41085829)

There's no way Tesla would have known anything about it. He had neither the math nor the particle physics knowledge to even guess at such a thing. You are essentially combining a variety of different ideas together that have little to do with each other.

It was Tesla, of course he knew.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083657)

... extracting energy from the aether ("higgs field" is the latest term, I think).

Would seem kind of like twisted irony in the unlikely case he had made something work like that. His arguments about why Einstein's relatively were wrong often referenced how he though it was ridiculous for empty space to have any properties.

Re:I hope they reinstate the tower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083751)

JP Morgan didn't pull funding. He gave Tesla $150,000, Tesla spent it all and was going to need to go way over budget to finish the project, at which point JP Morgan decided not to sink more money into it.

It doesn't help that what little Tesla said about the details of the project suggested trying to work at frequencies no where near the resonant frequencies of the Earth's surface. And he also seemed to not have the same understanding of resonators and quality factor as we do now, far underestimating how efficient such a system could be due to how much power would basically be absorbed by the environment.

Regardless, if the only thing stopping it was greedy capitalist, why haven't any communist built it?

idiots and their money soon part ways. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41082723)

If people on the internet gave me 1M$ for free, I would also invest it in building a terrain. They're not even building a museum yet. Too bad it requires a legion of sheeple like the ones following the Oatmeal to get rich the easy way.

I donated $333 (2)

adisakp (705706) | about 2 years ago | (#41082725)

It's probably more than I could easily justify but I figured it was for a good cause and I really wanted one of the limited signed comic books :-)

Re:I donated $333 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083533)

Yeah, I scaled down and just got the bumper sticker Tesla gt Edison for $33. After all, it is true -- as I teach my intro physics kids in E&M every year. No Tesla, no worldwide distribution of electrical power. And he should have gotten the radio patent (and eventually, long after the fact, sort of did). And he invented a death ray. What's not to like? The perfect model of a mad scientist...

Edison, on the other hand, came up with a few good things. The phonograph probably tops the list followed by the incandescent light bulb. But mostly he believed in just mixing things and seeing what happened and lacked much in the way of method.

Tesla 'wins' because civilization doesn't rely on the phonograph or incandescent light bulb, however important they were as milestones -- today both are pretty nearly obsolete. But I would not be typing this reply if it were not for high voltage power lines and transformers, and the encoded signals of what I type would not be going out if it were not for radio.

rgb

Re:I donated $333 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084317)

Are you seriously this retarded? If someone else didn't produce the same system that same year, it would have been produced shortly after. You do realize that nearly every generic/widespread invention is created, often times at the same time, by many inventors around the world, right?

Re:I donated $333 (1)

publiclurker (952615) | about 2 years ago | (#41085095)

You wouldn't mind listing some of the other people working on AC power distribution then, would you?

Re:I donated $333 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41087157)

Show some data.

Museum? (5, Insightful)

tanujt (1909206) | about 2 years ago | (#41082727)

Why not use the extra money to fund some actual research in electrical engineering? I don't think there's a better way to "honor the memory" of a great scientist/engineer.

Re:Museum? (5, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 2 years ago | (#41082795)

I'd rather see them make a museum that's actually awesome. Not just "this is what he did and how he did it". I want Tesla coil demonstrations (the kind he used to do with electricity arcing all around the room). I want "build you own X" areas for kids to build cool things. I want smart, exciting people giving smart, exciting presentations about what engineering and technology makes possible. In short, I want a museum that will inspire some small number of kids to follow in Tesla's footsteps.

Re:Museum? (2)

reubenavery (1047008) | about 2 years ago | (#41082895)

Insurance companies says NO.

Re:Museum? (4, Interesting)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 2 years ago | (#41082993)

City Museum in St Louis manages to do a lot of things that you'd think their insurance company would have a heart attack (and I'm sure they get charged an arm and a leg for their coverage). Point being, it's doable if you create the right environment and get the right resources behind you.

A 'live' museum, not a 'dead' one (5, Interesting)

belgianguy (1954708) | about 2 years ago | (#41082953)

Tesla was a crazy genius, in that regard I think it would be more fitting to have (at least part) of the museum have live/interactive and interesting things to do and try, rather than just gazing at collectibles and ooh-and-aah-ing at antiquities (how very awesome those still might be). Perhaps a MAKER lab or something or making a bulb glow with wireless electricity, have a Tesla coil play a song on your $MP3_PLAYER. If you read The Oatmeal's Tesla cartoon, you'd already have quite some nice ideas.

Tesla's Musem in Belgrade does this (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083017)

Posting anon due to mod points used in this thread.

I remember it Vividly. They had a massive Tesla coil, and would fire it up with us inside the room. Then they gave us fluorescent striplights to hold, which would light up in our hands, without any wires! To this day I remember the event as the defining moment when I thought Science was awesome! My dad took me there when I was something like 9-10 years old. Loads of his old papers, demonstrations of his experiments, etc... totally awesome. There was also a room where his ashes were kept, but we were not allowed near the urn itself.

I hope that a corresponding Museum in the US would do for your kids as my visit all those years ago inspired me. Hopefully your insurance companies and health&safety people will not shut this idea down.

- Ogi_Unixnut

Re:Museum? (1)

cachimaster (127194) | about 2 years ago | (#41083021)

I want Tesla coil demonstrations (the kind he used to do with electricity arcing all around the room). I want "build you own X" areas for kids to build cool things. I want smart, exciting people giving smart, exciting presentations about what engineering and technology makes possible.

Then you want to hire this guy, Photonicinduction [youtube.com] to work in the museum seriously check out his videos they are great.

Re:Museum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083163)

What you propose is actually only half doable. There are things Tesla did back then that we still don't know how to do today. It's a testament to his genius, which is legendary.

Re:Museum? (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#41083831)

What you propose is actually only half doable. There are things Tesla did back then that we still don't know how to do today. It's a testament to his genius, which is legendary.

Name one.

Re:Museum? (1)

kyrio (1091003) | about 2 years ago | (#41084381)

There's no point in asking him to name any. His leader told him about the existence of such magical things, but not what they actually are.

Re:Museum? (3, Interesting)

drkim (1559875) | about 2 years ago | (#41086037)

What you propose is actually only half doable. There are things Tesla did back then that we still don't know how to do today. It's a testament to his genius, which is legendary.

Name one.

Ball lightning.

Re:Museum? (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#41086975)

Been done.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070122-ball-lightning_2.html [nationalgeographic.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y72nrlNnXAk [youtube.com]

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/02/great-balls-of/ [wired.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5px6rCqArQ&feature=gv# [youtube.com] !

Besides, there is some real doubt that Tesla ever created anything other than large sparks creating molten metal balls, because in that day, there were few very large DC generators or batteries available, (but Tesla had them) and a localized large spark could have easily been described as ball lightning by uneducated people.

Re:Museum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41086087)

He can't. When Tesla died the FBI rolled in and took everything. Then gave what they didn't want to the Serbs. So, someone can answer that question but probably won't because it is a matter of national security.

Re:Museum? (1)

JeffAtl (1737988) | about 2 years ago | (#41086597)

greek fire?

Re:Museum? (1)

icebike (68054) | about 2 years ago | (#41087037)

Napalm.

Next!???

Re:Museum? (1)

Nrrqshrr (1879148) | about 2 years ago | (#41083591)

And watch as those kids grow into amazing new Teslas... till one of them becomes an Edison and sues the crap out of everyone and everything till he can sue no more.

Re:Museum? (2)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 2 years ago | (#41083749)

Thomas Edison - OG Apple.

Re:Museum? (1)

cusco (717999) | about 2 years ago | (#41085949)

Hmm. . . Could Edison's heirs sue Jobs's heirs for infringement? Whoops, never mind. Business method patents didn't exist yet.

That does exist (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41083741)

There is a small Telsa Museum of Science that offers demonstrations [teslamuseum.us] of telsa coils and teaches kids about Telsa... I think it may be in Colorado? Hard to find an address there sadly.

That said your idea is great and I hope the new place does similar things.

Colo. Museum does not exist anymore (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41084959)

I read in the last /. Tesla story that the Colorado museum closed several years ago due to lack of funds.

That's not the same place (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41085385)

I read in the last /. Tesla story that the Colorado museum closed several years ago due to lack of funds.

That's not the same one - the website mentions there was some other, unrelated group in Colorado Springs that is not them, that was probably the one that closed.

This one might also be closed - however it still has a website, and the demonstration section mentions a showtime of this year:

SHOW TIME: March 3rd and 4th 2012

The contact phone is still working, although only taking messages - I left a message asking about when Telsa demonstrations are held, and where this is located.

What would be cool is if the Telsa foundation getting the money to buy the land, would share some of the largess with this older museum (again, if still operating).

Re:Museum? (1)

Translation Error (1176675) | about 2 years ago | (#41084447)

Exactly! We have plenty of proponents of normal, boring science*--we need more proponents of mad science!

*I know we don't really have enough proponents of science; the ratio of normal to mad is just skewed far too far.

Re:Museum? (4, Insightful)

fiordhraoi (1097731) | about 2 years ago | (#41082839)

Or you make a museum showcasing Tesla and his dedication, make it fun and interesting, and you snag the interest of hundreds of young kids every year, of whom dozens may become researchers themselves.

As important as dollars are to research, so are minds.

Re:Museum? (5, Insightful)

cachimaster (127194) | about 2 years ago | (#41082911)

Research in electrical engineering in 2050 will be done by kids visiting this museum now and realising how awesome it is.

Re:Museum? (2)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about 2 years ago | (#41085817)

Research in electrical engineering in 2050 will be done by kids visiting this museum now and realising how awesome it is.

If they can time travel, why not go back and visit the original 1917 lab?

Re:Museum? (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | about 2 years ago | (#41082969)

Because there is no extra money. The 850k is just to buy the land. Well the price tag is 1.6 million with matched funds from the government. Any money raised above that goes towards building the actual museum and restoration of the property.

great 90's hair band! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#41083187)

Museum? I told 'em we already got one. [tesla-museum.org]

Now if we can only get Tesla [imdb.com] in the rock and roll hall of fame, he'll be one up on that upstart Einstein [imdb.com]

Which "we" (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41083797)

The museum you linked to is in Belgrade...

Perhaps you meant the one in the U.S.?

http://teslamuseum.us [teslamuseum.us]

Still, even though technically there's already such a museum, it would be great to have another on the land with Telsa's workshop. It's not like you can't go to multiple places to learn about Edison.

Re:Museum? (1)

CyborgWarrior (633205) | about 2 years ago | (#41083531)

I think it's totally unrelated, but this is awesome timing for this Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tesla/electricity-the-life-story-of-nikola-tesla?ref=card [kickstarter.com] They're making a movie about the life and creations of Tesla.

If you don't want to donate to the museum it might be nice to donate to that project in the same vein. (I'm not affiliated with this at all and haven't looked in too deeply, just happened across it today)

Go On (1)

Sloppy (14984) | about 2 years ago | (#41083655)

Why not use the extra money to fund some actual research in electrical engineering?

Please continue your thought; don't leave us hanging.

Who is this researcher? What is their project? Tell us about it.

You might have noticed the Oatmeal guy didn't persuade people "Hey, let's spend a lot of money to buy any old lab and make some kind of museum." He was much more specific. That is why the money is flowing.

Re:Museum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084849)

Baby-steps first.

Get a museum up. Get the kids interested.
Get them interested in one of the best unsung geniuses of the past few centuries, one who struggled through life in order to prove his work and being belittled by some of his peers near the end. (not to say he never done some of it himself, who hasn't? Everyone has a good bitch at some point)

Use profits over a certain amount and put it towards education grants and the like, or electrical kits for schools, etc.
Use the rest of your profit to expand the museum, possibly even in the future OPEN an education-site next to it.

Just a shame his genes never made it. His genes were so incredibly valuable in general. He had a good figure, a brilliant brain and abilities. Yes, he wasn't perfect, but he had damn good genes. Better than most do.
And while he did have some rather strong views of selective breeding in humans, as a person who has an autoimmune disorder that is most likely down to genes since many of my family have similar illnesses related, I completely agree. (even if I was some sort of turbo-genius)
People who are too genetically far apart should be provided alternatives from breeding as it will only result in horrible suffering. We know how to identify such cases where genes will combine in such ways that they will be expressed with almost high certainty. (recessives)
For the sake of them, their possible offspring and the future of humanity, they should be allowed to know. At least then they could consider having a tri-parent family or gene therapy to attempt to fix the mutation that would result in the genes being expressed in the offspring, or various other methods, hell even adoption.
It is irresponsible as a supposed advanced society to allow the human race to suffer when we KNOW how to fix it right now.
Of course, we have banks who pretty much run the world now and countries who think they own it pushing their weight around. This world is already fucked. /mini rant

Use the extra money for more servers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41082777)

Server melted. ZZZZZZZZZZAP.

Anonymous donor (4, Interesting)

cachimaster (127194) | about 2 years ago | (#41082783)

From this article [arstechnica.com] "The fundraiser goal was reached in six days, put over the top by $33,333 from an anonymous donor." ... I wonder who this anonymous donor [twitter.com] may be.

Re:Anonymous donor (1)

AtomicTomatoOfDoom (1729634) | about 2 years ago | (#41084443)

Actually, it's this guy. [indiegogo.com]

There should be more money for a statue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41082793)

There should be more money for a statue of Tesla butt fucking George Westinghouse with a barbed wired condom. Afterlife payback. Westinghouse was a liar and a thief. Edison was a nothing compared to Westinghouse - George Westinghouse of the Westinghouse "Prize"

Read Tesla's story to find out why I have my opinion.

And it's a lesson to you brilliant inventors out there.

The first one is business people will fuck you. They didn't get rich by being "nice" and taking care of the innovators. They take credit for the innovator's ideas. They take the innovator's patents - with crazy contracts and deals. And they lie. Always - ALWAYS - get someone, like an IP lawyer on your side - regardless of how much it costs.

I have yet to see an exception to my rule

-Just a business history geek with an MBA.

Re:There should be more money for a statue (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 2 years ago | (#41083871)

If you want start-up capital for your venture or product, you need someone with money. Kickstarter changes that paradigm, but still, it's exceedingly difficult to launch an Apple or Microsoft with $5k in seed money from Kickstarter, at least, not these days. Costs to entry are so high and regulations so great that you really need someone with that IP experience AND the money available to weather storms.

Re:There should be more money for a statue (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about 2 years ago | (#41083877)

Also, don't expect that a lawyer won't fuck you just as quickly as a businessman.

Oh no! (5, Funny)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#41082861)

Unfortunately, due to a mysterious "bank routing error", all $900,000 was deposited into the accounts of the estate of Thomas Edison.

Re:Oh no! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083689)

Edison spokesman was heard to say: "Damn you and your 'alternating currency'!" and ran off leaving a stream of patents behind him.

Re:Oh no! (3, Funny)

Hillgiant (916436) | about 2 years ago | (#41084129)

The fools! I tried to warn them against running their routers on DC!

"You didn't patent that." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41085753)

If that were "Michael Faraday", you could say there was poetic justice involved. ;-)

Im actually shocked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41082871)

That some multi-millionaire or billionaire didn't step in before this to save this place.. I sure would have if I had millions and nothing to spend it on, which pretty much sums up the entire 1%

Re:Im actually shocked... (1)

Xeno man (1614779) | about 2 years ago | (#41082997)

If I had millions of dollars, I would have plenty of things to spend it on, giving it away would not be on top of my list of things to do with my money.

That's nice. But the tower was stupid. (4, Informative)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#41083047)

That's nice, but it reflects Tesla's work in his "dumb RF" period. Tesla's AC work was great, but his concept of RF was bogus. He thought the ionosphere was a conductive layer. What the Wardencliffe tower was supposed to do was use UV lamps to ionize a path up to the ionosphere so a high voltage could be pushed up to it, like a lightning bolt in reverse. Then, having energized the conductive layer, a receiver in another location far away could pick up the signal, or maybe even power. Tesla wrote this up; there's no mystery about this.

It would have been spectacular to watch, but useless as a communications system. The ionosphere isn't a big conductive plate in the sky. Also, the way to make radio work is to make better receivers, not more powerful transmitters. When Marconi first sent signals across the Atlantic, his transmit RF power was about 10KW. Tesla was planning to use megawatts on the transmit side, but didn't have anything new on the receive side.

Re:That's nice. But the tower advanced knowledge (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083587)

Sometimes to find out what works and what doesn't, you actually have to try and end up failing. It doesn't make Tesla stupid, just that he was willing to test a theory that had some potential with the current understanding at the time.

Re:That's nice. But the tower was stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41086223)

It wasn't just a transmitter. It was the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter. Magnifying.... You should go read the patents and maybe do a little experimenting. I bet you would have a different outlook afterwards.

It's important. (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41083071)

In my view, building a museum to Tesla is important, so the actual genius, vision and true importance for humankind (Tesla) is highlighted, versus the treachery and deviousness that gets you riches (Edison).

The way I see it, this museum is not only going to educate people about what Tesla did for us all, how he enabled the modern society of the West, how he made life easier, what kind of thinker and innovator he was. No, for me this museum will also be a big "Fuck you Edison".

Re:It's important. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084761)

If you honestly believe what you just said then you need to learn something about both history and humanity.

Re:It's important. (1)

Minwee (522556) | about 2 years ago | (#41084961)

If you honestly believe what you just said then you need to learn something about both history and humanity.

Are you saying that the agriculture ministry _is_ in charge of Gundam?

More money needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41083213)

I live near this place and know several people on the Tesla science museum team and the 850k + matching state funds will only be enough to buy the property, but not make a museum. It is heavily overgrown with weeds and will probably need much more money to restore.

Tesla invented the Internet (4, Funny)

THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER (2473494) | about 2 years ago | (#41083725)

Things Tesla invented/discovered that were subsequently stolen by -- and credited to -- mere mortals:
  • 5th-gen iPod
  • Superconductivity
  • LTE, NFC, and Wireles USB
  • Kentucky Fried Chicken
  • V.I.N.C.E.N.T. [jeffbots.com] (but not B.O.B.)
  • Carbon nanotubes
  • the RS-232C interface

Extend the list by replying!

Re:Tesla invented the Internet (1)

THE_WELL_HUNG_OYSTER (2473494) | about 2 years ago | (#41083853)

LHC and the Mars Curiosity rover

Re:Tesla invented the Internet (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41086009)

Spanx and push up bras

Re:Tesla invented the Internet (1)

drkim (1559875) | about 2 years ago | (#41086253)

LHC and the Mars Curiosity rover

Based on Tesla's "Patent 0,613,809 - Method of and Apparatus for Controlling Mechanism of Moving Vehicle or Vehicles"?
"New and useful improvements in methods of and apparatus for controlling from a distance; Solution for controlling from a given point the operation of mechanisms; No intermediate wires, cables, or other form of electrical or mechanical connection with the object save the natural media in space; explanation of most practical and effectual method and apparatus; Remote control. "

here come the Steampunk dorks (-1, Flamebait)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 2 years ago | (#41084511)

So everyone knows Tesla was a hack right? Crap... I'm going to get flamed... but seriously, the guy was a thief. Every single thing he claimed to have invented had been demonstrated by someone else, somewhere else years earlier. Every single one. The brushless AC motor was invented and demonstrated 6 years before Tesla applied for a patent. But Tesla claimed he "though of it" before that demonstration, he just hadn't built it yet. Now if it happened on a few inventions, that's one thing... but all of them? I won't defend Edison, but Tesla was just as bad, if not worse.

Re:here come the Steampunk dorks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41084637)

Could you cite some of these? I'm mostly curious and bored to google.

Re:here come the Steampunk dorks (1)

drkim (1559875) | about 2 years ago | (#41086225)

Every single thing he claimed to have invented had been demonstrated by someone else, somewhere else years earlier....

Right.... Here's a list of only 111 of his 278 patents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nikola_Tesla_patents [wikipedia.org]

Why don't you tell us who really invented all this stuff.

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