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Windows 7 Is the Next Windows XP

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the older-is-better dept.

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snydeq writes "Windows XP's most beloved factors are also driving business organizations to Windows 7 in the face of Windows 8. 'We love Windows 7: That's the message loud and clear from people this week at the TechMentor Conference held at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Wash. With Windows XP reaching end of life for support in April 2014, the plan for most organizations is to upgrade — to Windows 7,' indicating 'a repeat of history for what we've seen with Windows releases, the original-cast Star Trek movie pattern where every other version was beloved and the ones in between decidedly not so.'"

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Excellent News! (5, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | more than 2 years ago | (#41089967)

That means there won't be any trouble in waiting out Windows 8 for something better.

Re:Excellent News! (-1, Offtopic)

FartingThomson (2713409) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090039)

Ridiculous! Preposterous! Inconceivable! To make one such as I do such a... thing...

Your comment, and your comment alone, made me shoot a fart out of my very own asshole. My very own asshole. I hope you're proud of yourself, because that's an extremely rare occurrence.

Re:Excellent News! (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090071)

You probably won't have to wait long, because Microsoft already has a fall back.

The Windows 7 interface worked acceptably well in early windows 8, even if you had to registry hack it into making an appearance.
I predict this will be their fall back position when they see sales tanking on everything except tablets.
They will flip a switch and presto-change-o the start bar will reappear.

People are not going to be reaching across their keyboards to smudge their screen on anything except tablets.
Its not going to happen.

Re:Excellent News! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090111)

I sit far enough from my monitors at work that i have to lean over my desk to reach them, a touch screen would be absolutely useless for me.

Re:Excellent News! (0)

Flyerman (1728812) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090353)

Oh yeah, because the cost of a touch screen monitor is the last thing to consider.

PREDICTIONS ARE LIKE INSTINES !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090377)

Those who make them are full of shit !!

Rarely, you find one connected to the mouth of another, and so it chains. Something, something. Steve Jobs. Apple. You need this.

There is nothing good about XP. Not a prediction. It is a well-established fact.

Re:Excellent News! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090107)

Ah, yes, now there is a shining endorsement:

'We love Windows 7:

Somehow they forget to add compared to Windows 8

Re:Excellent News! (4, Insightful)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090265)

Compared to other Windows, Windows 7 has been great. Compared to Linux...well, let's not pick on MS, they've made great, if not entirely monotonic progress. They may yet produce an OS I would use of my own free will, rather than being forced into it.

Re:Excellent News! (5, Interesting)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090397)

Did anybody else feel the "FUD" when XP was announced? It's evil, your software won't run on it, it will have stronger DRM than 98, etc. etc. etc.

I remember the same thing when Vista was announced, and now 8 is coming and they're playing it up as the big new scary OS.

I think it's a short-term ploy to drive sales of systems with the old OS "while you can still get it" without a downgrade charge.

Re:Excellent News! (5, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090439)

Windows 8 isn't big and scary. It's just horridly designed.

The issues with the bootloader are one problem, that might pose a problem for linux, but are actually a relatively small part of what is problem with windows 8, because windows 8 is a badly designed mess.

A good overview of some of what is wrong with it http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/why-i-m-uninstalling-windows-8

This isn't a DRM issue, a compatibility issue (although there is some of that), it's not even particularly evil, at least not any more than anything else MS does. It's that it's a nightmare to use because the design is wildly inconsistent for no apparent reason, and it doesn't seem to actually get you anything for that. If you want to use 10 GB of my RAM that's fine if I actually get something out of it, if you're going to change how to shut down the machine, or how apps work etc. it's just unnecessarily confusing.

Re:Excellent News! (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090479)

it's not even particularly evil, at least not any more than anything else MS does... ...the design is wildly inconsistent for no apparent reason... it's just unnecessarily confusing.

Describes every MS product I've ever worked with since DOS 2.1.

Never mind Windows 8 sucks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41089969)

Just try running Win 8 on a notebook without a touch screen....then you will see the issue first hand!

Re:Never mind Windows 8 sucks! (1)

Seng (697556) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090151)

Using it with a track pad isn't bad... It's HIDEOUS with one of those joystick-mouse control nobbies.

Re:Never mind Windows 8 sucks! (1)

Flyerman (1728812) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090361)

I've always hated the joystick nobbies.

Re:Never mind Windows 8 sucks! (0)

Cheech Wizard (698728) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090531)

My girlfriend likes mine, or so she says... ;)

Come on (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41089975)

Even the odd number Star Trek films were alright, they are not as good as the others but nowhere near awful. It all went downhill with Generations though.

Re:Come on (1)

bstag (933525) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090015)

Search for spock worse then voyage home what was snydeq smoking today.

Re:Come on (-1, Troll)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090137)

so are the odd numbered windows, vista is alright, once you service pack the hell out of it and turn off all the bullshit desktop bling ... ME was ok as well, if you were not running it on your mommies virus / adware infected janky compaq, had awesome luck with it on beige box AMD machines ... 98? 3.11?

its a tired old joke that has no real reason to exist, "hur hur ME and VISTA hur hur", yea ok sorry your walmart e-machine was a chunk of shit... but it really wasnt that bad.

Re:Come on (-1, Flamebait)

Nocturnal Deviant (974688) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090359)

I am not using my mod points to mod you down as troll just specifically to tell you how utterly retarded you are....ME was an utter piece of shit. It had so many issues that I wont even begin to list due to TL;DR. Go google it. I am not even afraid to post this scathing post without AC due to how utterly shocked I am at your lack of sense...Did you even use it...seriously.

Re:Come on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090405)

Nerd fight!

I'd have to agree with both of you, it is better with the SP, but that doesn't take it outta the craptacular category.

Re:Come on (-1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090411)

yea, and I had little to no troubles out of it on many AMD K62 machines, I was at my gamer peak then and bought quality parts

not saying people didnt have bad luck with it, but most of them I meet then and now mention some shit celeron with a name brand attached back when all the name brands were scraping pennies out of dog shit to stay alive in a flooded market.

Re:Come on (2)

crowaust (2510500) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090417)

Most people upgraded from ME to 98SE, and yes it was an upgrade because 98SE ran on average 12% faster than ME in Games on the same hardware.

Re:Come on (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090269)

This must be the daily subthread where we 1) get the order of Windows release wrong, and 2) arbitrarily declare them good or bad to make the pattern fit.

No kidding. Anyone remember... (0)

Naatach (574111) | more than 2 years ago | (#41089981)

Windows Me?

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090057)

No. Definitely, no. I've pushed those memories to the darkest recesses of my mind... I refuse to acknowledge them....

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090157)

I had no problems with ME with my K62 boxes, and its actually a tad bit faster than 98

Remember ME? yea I do, course I am not latching onto a phrase to attempt to be funny

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (5, Informative)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090311)

The issue with WinME was this: it would accept both older VxD drivers and newer WDM drivers. Their jerry-rigged solution to make VxD drivers work made the system extremely unstable. But as long as you used only WDM drivers, it was solid.

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090419)

"But as long as you used only WDM drivers, it was solid."

HOLY CRAP! someone with a clue

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090467)

That was my experience as well. On some machines, it was good. On other machines, you were lucky to get it past the boot screen. It all depended on what the hardware was.

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (2)

wierd_w (1375923) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090529)

..... except when the drivers for your devices came only in the win2k flavor of WDM, or 9x flavor VXD.

NT flavored WDM drivers did terrible, terrible things to ME.

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (1)

JoeMerchant (803320) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090543)

Yep, I had a ME notebook and it was fine, better than 98 - the default settings were a little annoying (like Vista), but if you went in and turned all that automatic crap off, it was a good OS.

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (1)

yuhong (1378501) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090493)

Actually it was WDM that was jury-rigged by emulating some of the NT kernel APIs.

Re:No kidding. Anyone remember... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090309)

Windows ME came out after Windows 2000 ("the future"), so if you had any sort of clue, you just didn't care.

On the other hand, "the future" is now Metro and WinRT apps, so Windows 8 is unavoidable in the long run ... unless your dump your PC and go tablet only.

Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41089989)

Win 8 is an improvement over an already excellent Win7 with lots of cool new features. I'm running RTM Enterprise on a Dell E6520 laptop, and it's flawless. 5 minutes of training - some new shortcut keys, and I'm more productive than before. I was very apprehensive about loosing the start menu search function - I used it a lot - but once I figured out how to do this in Win8 - everything's great. Very minimal new stuff to learn from a desktop standpoint - Modern UI is slick and has some cool stuff - I like where this is headed - cannot wait to buy a Surface Tablet and Windows 8 phone to bring it all together.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (5, Funny)

artor3 (1344997) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090009)

Win 8 is an improvement over an already excellent Win7 with lots of cool new features. I'm running RTM Enterprise on a Dell E6520 laptop, and it's flawless. 5 minutes of training - some new shortcut keys, and I'm more productive than before.

I don't suppose those five minutes of training occurred in a conference room in Redmond, by any chance?

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090035)

Nope. Just downloaded from MSDN. Nice try, beeeaaatch.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (-1, Offtopic)

FartingThomson (2713409) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090409)

Wow! Such a thing! While I was reading your comment, the following strange and unlikely event occurred: I expelled flatulence directly out of my own asshole. I guess that proves that your entire comment is completely filled with lies and slander. Otherwise, why would it cause an esteemed individual such as myself to fart out of my own asshole?

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (4, Insightful)

jamstar7 (694492) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090485)

Win 8 is an improvement over an already excellent Win7 with lots of cool new features. I'm running RTM Enterprise on a Dell E6520 laptop, and it's flawless. 5 minutes of training - some new shortcut keys, and I'm more productive than before.

I don't suppose those five minutes of training occurred in a conference room in Redmond, by any chance?

I'm just wondering how many of those 5 minutes were spent ducking flying chairs.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (-1, Troll)

sidthegeek (626567) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090021)

C'mon man, you can't be THAT obvious an MS shill. You at least gotta criticize one thing about it.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090077)

Why? I like it. I've not had any issues. Runs great, lets me get my work done and let's me do what I want to do and run apps I want - isn't that all OS's are supposed to do? I don't work for MSFT, but I do have MSDN subscription.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (-1, Troll)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090177)

horsecrap, I would have windows 7 baby and I am a guy, but I can still find things wrong with it ... and your telling us that a beta version of 8 is flawless

yea okay, and unicorns fly out my arse

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090229)

ok - well I guess that iTunes still runs like crap. That's my only complaint. But I had that on Windows 7. iTunes is a pile of crap.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090303)

I'm running RTM - not Beta - this is the MSDN final bits that you'll see in about a month - or you can download an eval I think if no MSDN.

win 7 still inferior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090413)

Win 7 also is not as good. XP was the best and redmond went downhill since.

Re:win 7 still inferior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090497)

windows 2000sp4 FTW. faster than XP but they would not let you go past directx8 so they forced your hand to upgrade for newer games.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (0)

ralphbecket (225429) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090187)

Haven't tried it myself, but I don't understand the mentality of people who down-vote comments like yours. Slashdot is (become?) a rather insecure, juvenile echo chamber where opinions that differ from the party line must be criticised in the rudest possible fashion, then hidden from view.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (2)

TheLink (130905) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090231)

I'm running RTM Enterprise on a Dell E6520 laptop, and it's flawless.

Flawless? OK please tell me the flawless way to do the following without resorting to the CLI: http://www.windows7hacker.com/index.php/2012/08/how-to-change-windows-8-product-key-to-complete-activation/ [windows7hacker.com]

I installed the Windows 8 Enterprise Edition, and apparently the install wizard never asked me for the activation key.

I couldn't find a UI that allows me to change or even enter my activation key. Time for a "hack" to activate Windows 8.

First, you need to go to the Start screen type "cmd" and right click. Make sure you choose run as "Administrator" from the bottom options.

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (1)

amiller2571 (2571883) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090255)

Really ...

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090307)

Win 8 is an improvement over an already excellent Win7 with lots of cool new features

Okaaaay..

I was very apprehensive about loosing the start menu search function

Obviously a grammar checker isn't one of those new features.....

Re:Win8 is just Win7 SP2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090513)

Well - correct - no, not in a browser. I guess I should have written my comment in a real app like Word, and then pasted into the browser. Browsers suck - all of them - except for reading, of course.

Follow Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090003)

Maybe Microsoft should consider releasing every 2nd (Good) version of windows as LTS like Ubuntu, while having interim versions with lots of new features but shorter support time frames.

Re:Follow Ubuntu (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090149)

Ubuntu's LTS is not as long as Microsoft's normal support for their operating systems.

Ermm no. (0)

Severus Snape (2376318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090005)

Microsoft will have learned from their mistake, plus there is differences this time around, there was a long wait in between XP and Vista and Win8 is nowhere near as bad as Vista. It arguably could do with a little bit of polish but it's a decent OS.

Re:Ermm no. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090059)

It'd be a decent OS if not for that godawful tablet UI they bolted onto it. I've used it on and off on my spare machine for months now and it's downright impossible to get used to. Had they simply made the Metro UI toggle-able, it would've been fine. As is, it's like taking a car, replacing the steering wheel with a left-handed joystick, switching the gas and brake pedals, and moving the HUD to the passenger side.

Does the OS really matter? (4, Insightful)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090007)

At work I run 2 applications on Windows: A web browser (Chrome),and the MS Office Suite (Outlook, Word, and Excel (in that order). If Office was available on Linux, I'd be perfectly happy on Linux.

I really don't care what the underlying operating system is, as long as it stays out of my way (and it sounds like the new Win8 UI might be annoying).

Re:Does the OS really matter? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090079)

I call BS. 1. You can run all that on a Mac (the only Office apps not available are Project and Visio). 2. You could also ditch whatever you are using for a Chrome Book or similar, but I doubt you would because you know you play solitaire like crazy and wont give up all the other nice things Windows has to offer other than a thin client running a browser and office.

Re:Does the OS really matter? (1, Insightful)

Miseph (979059) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090155)

^implying running any of that on a Mac would improve the situation

Re:Does the OS really matter? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090301)

I call BS. 1. You can run all that on a Mac (the only Office apps not available are Project and Visio). 2. You could also ditch whatever you are using for a Chrome Book or similar, but I doubt you would because you know you play solitaire like crazy and wont give up all the other nice things Windows has to offer other than a thin client running a browser and office.

Call bullshit on what? That I run Microsoft apps on Windows? If I'm going to move to a different OS I'd rather move to Linux than OSX.

How would a Chromebook help me? Can I run MS Office on a Chromebook?

Re:Does the OS really matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090389)

Can I run MS Office on a Chromebook?

Nope! AC post was either a troll or somebody who hasn't had a need to use MS Office or doesn't feel like there's much gain on MS Office as opposed to LibreOffice/OO.o

Re:Does the OS really matter? (1)

Goodyob (2445598) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090083)

If Office was available on Linux, I'd be perfectly happy on Linux.

Have you tried LibreOffice?

Re:Does the OS really matter? (4, Informative)

Osgeld (1900440) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090195)

I have, and for my work its too limited while fucking up every office 2007-2010 format ever sent to me

yay its free, now all I have to do is reformat every table in this 30 page document of tables cause nothing fits on a printed page anymore yay!

its fine for home use

Re:Does the OS really matter? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090335)

If Office was available on Linux, I'd be perfectly happy on Linux.

Have you tried LibreOffice?

I can't even use the expense report template without MS Office.

I use LibreOffice at home, but it is a complete non-starter at the office.

Re:Does the OS really matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090131)

If Office was available on Linux...

Last time I checked WINE runs Office about as well as Windows XP did. (I'm on Win7 because, quite frankly, Linux is a PITA.)

I expect that if MS doesn't polish Windows 8 for desktop use, it'll be Linux I run on my next OS build. (Or, who knows, if the price is right I might jump to Win8.)

Re:Does the OS really matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090193)

Google Chrome - Get a fast new browser. For PC, Mac and Linux -> https://www.google.com/chrome?hl=en-gb

LibreOffice Productivity Suite -> www.libreoffice.org/download/

Re:Does the OS really matter? (1)

hawguy (1600213) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090383)

Google Chrome - Get a fast new browser. For PC, Mac and Linux -> https://www.google.com/chrome?hl=en-gb [google.com]

LibreOffice Productivity Suite -> www.libreoffice.org/download/

What? You mean Chrome runs on more than one operating system?

Thanks for the link to LibreOffice, but LibreOffice is not MS-Word.

Wine or Crossover might be an option, I'll try it out again, but last time I tried it I had lackluster results.

Re:Does the OS really matter? (1)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090423)

> Thanks for the link to LibreOffice, but LibreOffice is not MS-Word.
LibreOffice is indeed not MS-Word. LibreOffice is instead like MS-Office, but you can get the latest and greatest LibreOffice every month if you want - no waiting for procurement and IT to decide to roll out some version once in a while. LibreOffice's Writer is plainer (fewer nice looking themes) than MS-Word but the difference is Writer doesn't get in your way when you write stuff (I'm always wrestling with MS-Word to stopping 'Clippying' what I've just done). Writer also has *vastly* better output to PDF (which is what you want to deliver your stuff to customers in, yeah?), as I find MS-Word often borks the formatting of the source document every time I 'print' to PDF - complete madness!

Re:Does the OS really matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090199)

It runs well for me using WINE/Cossover.

Re:Does the OS really matter? (0)

hawkeey (1920310) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090373)

If Office was available on Linux, I'd be perfectly happy on Linux.

How about Crossover? http://www.codeweavers.com/products/ [codeweavers.com]

Screw you ms (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090029)

Why downgrade to an os that is dumb downed with eye candy when XP runs just fine and is a supperior os.

Dont get me started with win 8. Were keeping XP

Re:Screw you ms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090489)

Yep, WIndows XP is still the next Windows XP.

No surprise (5, Interesting)

yvajj (970228) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090033)

Well, Windows 8 isn't even out out. It's not surprising that businesses are going to most likely migrate to Windows 7 first. From an administrative perspective, most admins already know how to deal with all the Windows 7 nuances.

Windows 8 is a bit of a black box right now, especially from an admin perspective. I suspect it'll probably be a couple of years before Windows 8 becomes more mainstream in corporate environments.

From a personal perspective... I plan on upgrading to 8 as soon as it's out. For $40 bucks (for a 7 - 8 upgrade), I don't see why not. As a developer, it's compelling to easily transition your desktop app to tablet (and vice versa).

I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (2, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090051)

If only I could get rid of many of the most annoying features, like those damn pop-up previews along the task bar - f**king hell those are annoying.

I try to get it to look as plain as possible, I don't go for whizzy aero/glass/whatever looks. I just want things to work, because I'm often stressed and whizzy gets on my nerves.

Re:I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (5, Informative)

IvanTheNotSoBad (977004) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090251)

Why aren't you using the Windows Classic or Windows 7 Basic theme which comes with windows 7? It'll work just like you want.

Re:I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (4, Informative)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090257)

Areo is disabled when you change your theme to "Basic"
You can get your individual taskbar buttons back but selecting the "Combine when task is full" or "Never combine" option in Taskbar properties.
Disabling the preview popup requires a registry or group policy setting. Google it.

Re:I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (1)

jackbird (721605) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090345)

How about disabling the taskbar popping up when you mouse over it (pops up only when the windows key is pressed, like you could in XP)? I've googled that, but all I seem to find is half-baked shareware my admins wont let anywhere near our network.

Re:I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090295)

You can turn the previews off. Maybe it's only because I's using Professional, but it's possible.

Re:I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (1)

humanrev (2606607) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090369)

Heh, amusing. "Windows Previews" is one of the plugins I turn ON in Compiz, mostly because it makes life seems less foreign when I'm in Linux.

Re:I'd like Win 7 a bit more .. (1)

esquizoide (834082) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090539)

I think you would love 7+ Taskbar Tweaker http://rammichael.com/7-taskbar-tweaker [rammichael.com] Give it a try. It really improved my experience and usability with Windows 7 taskbar.

is this even a question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090075)

so did you expect anything different from the business organizations? they just started upgrading to windows 7 from windows XP do you really believe they even considered Windows 8 ? if you did i have a Linux desktop to sell you!

And it has an extended support date to match (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090101)

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+7+Enterprise&Filter=FilterNO

Windows 7 (enterprise version) support ends in 2020. For many organizations this will be the new cut off date to consider something else. What that something else is, is anyone's guess (Windows 9? Linux? OSX?).

Regardless, Microsoft supporting Windows 7 for 10 years is pretty impressive.

This has to be intentional (5, Insightful)

hardgeus (6813) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090119)

At first, I thought it was just a silly conspiracy theory that they released an intentionally crappy OS every other cycle, but I'm really starting to think they do it on purpose:

1) Release good OS with an expected lifespan of around 4 years

2) At 2 years release crappy OS. The people that bought the OS at 1) are not going to upgrade. All of the people purchasing new computers have no choice but to buy crap. While OS sales take a dip, it's not unmanageable.

3) Release good OS. People from 1) now upgrade, and people from 2) are desperate to get off the turd they bought. Money now pours in.

4) See 2.

The plan is to upgrade — to ReactOS (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090129)

Providing they actually reach beta status by April 2014.

Re:The plan is to upgrade — to ReactOS (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090425)

That will never happen. The project has been going for 14 years and still in alpha.

force feeding (1, Insightful)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090165)

how else could they shove all that garbage down people's throats? They have to add necessary-evil DRM-type stupid shit to please the companies that are giving them money, but they know that users will never buy into it once they find out these "features" are in it. So what they do is they release a version with only the crap in it, let that version get all the bad press, and then once the trolls are done ranting about the crap they added, they release a new windows version. That version still has all the crap in it, but also has all kinds of stuff people actually want. When the bloggers compare it with the last version of windows the fact that it has all the crap in it merely puts it on par with the last version so it is not viewed as a down-side anymore. Then all the good new features they added in the second version puts it back into the black and people upgrade.

if windows 7 is the next windows xp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090245)

then windows 8 =?

Here is the sequence,
XP,Vista,7,8

7=>XP
8=>?

So 8 => 7 then? wait a sec..

windows 95 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090261)

windows 95 FTW!!

Microsoft sucks..nothing more to say. Go OTHER OS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090273)

Microsoft and Apple are horrible. There are plenty of different flavors of GNU/Linux to choose from. Sadly the business world is too stupid to get there heads out of there asses and take viruses, spyware (yea- Apple too- it's not just the OTHER companies infecting your system) and other factors into consideration besides having the "right" software. My company hasn't even got a single system with Mac or Windows and we're doing great. We're international too.

can you still change the default shell? (3, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090293)

You used to be able to set a new default shell using a registry setting, way back in the days of yore.

Can you still do that, or has MS removed that ability?

It might be worth an experiment to place the win7 explorer.exe in a protected folder on a win8 machine, and then set it as the default shell. That should neuter metro.

I might pull the msdn evaluation copy and see if I can do that.

Contrarian ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090339)

Looks like I will love W8 then ! I disliked XP (UI and stability issues) and stayed with W2K (fairly reliable, go a week between reboots where I needed them daily on XP) until Vista, really liked Vista64 (reliable as hell and stable for me), am on W7 now on my new Notebook and dislike it (stability issues, forcing a reboot regularly to solve) . So based on my contrarian experience, it looks Windows 8 FTW !

Time for Linux... again? (4, Insightful)

humanrev (2606607) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090357)

This is the third time I've seen in recent history where Linux has the potential to provide an alternative to corporate and consumer use.

The first was when Vista came out - I was hearing people clamor that this disaster of an operating system was going to be the catalyst that would result in the rise of Linux on the business/mainstream desktop. But in the end people stuck with XP and Microsoft neutered any sitting-on-the-fence debate with Windows 7. So we failed.

Then netbooks started to become popular, and I was hearing people clamor that this was a perfect case for Linux on these low-powered devices, and once again it would rise the profile of Linux on user-facing systems. But initial netbooks were released with really shitty distros that were often half-broken and given first impressions matter, these distros did a really poor job of selling Linux. Microsoft was forced to extend XP though as Vista wouldn't work suitably on netbooks, but as far as users were concerned this was great news compared to regular preinstalled Linux distros, and now modern netbooks run Windows 7 just fine. So we failed again.

Now Windows 8 is out, and we have an opportunity to push the best desktop-focused distros that are out there. A third window of opportunity - will the various Linux interest groups fumble again? If history has shown us anything - probably. I'd like to be optimistic, but if Linux market share doesn't increase noticeably within the next year or two then I think it's obvious that there will NEVER be a Linux on the desktop moment.

Re:Time for Linux... again? (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090499)

I can help out here. I run a Linux Open Directory Service at home. Here are some usability improvements that I have seen.

Open Directory is being replaced by Samba 4 Active Directory. I expect that when Samba 4.0 goes gold, what it will most likely do is displace OpenLDAP and Heimdal Kerberos first, as Samba 4 provides the OpenLDAP and Heimdal Kerberos infrastructures, which FreeRadius, Cyrus IMAP, PostFix, and eGroupware have grown to depend on. OpenLDAP and Heimdal Kerberos are difficult to configure and administer.

Evolution working in tandem with LibreOffice and eGroupware and Open Directory can create an OutLook+Office+AD trifecta. Members of my household can reply to documents sent by attachments, look up addresses automatically using LDAP, and all this results in Evolution automagically "Knowing" who and what you are E-mailing, and what to attach. This is outstanding!

There are formatting issues that show up in LibreOffice. Even with the odf-integrator-converter, things are slightly off and require adjusting.

This is bad if you have a corporate or state culture that says "I am not allowed to move that line over 1 centimeter because then I am out of compliance".

I have run into work level situations where I have literally been told "If I modify this document's formatting AT ALL I'm violating federal law.

Another thing. There needs to be a collectivist document management platform that integrates with the aboved Mention in the same way SharePoint does. I know Knowlege Tree Comes close,so does GeekLog.

Time for MAC OS X for all hardware (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090533)

They don't force a new UI on you.

And it has a good software base and is not all over the place that Linux is with all there distributions.

If not all hardware at least add more systems.

For corporate use

Let mac os X server run in a VM on any hardware (apple does not have any real server hardware)

Add more systems with easy to get to HDD's.

Have a bigger mini so it can have lower cost desktop parts.

Have a $800-$1500 desktop system NOT just imac with a build in screen.

Have some kind of hardware road map the mystery dates with the mac pro sitting there with little to no updates at the same price for years is a big trun off.

For some corporate use they like to be able to use more then 1 hardware vender.

New Coke Formula (1)

FigOSpeak (990072) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090367)

Seems like Windows 8 is Microsoft's "New Coke Formula"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke [wikipedia.org]

Re:New Coke Formula (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090483)

Not quite. XP was Coke. Vista was New Coke. 7 is Coke Classic. And it proves New Coke was a strategy... release a lemon, let it get sucked, then re-release the original formula. And let's not mince features... anything 7 does could have been rolled into XP... same damn thing. Basically, we've been using NT 4.0 with minor release additions for nearly 20 years.

What's "Star Trek"? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090379)

Never heard of it.

There is no pattern. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090435)

Look at what sucked: Windows 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 95, ME & Vista.
Look at what was acceptable: 3.1, NT4, Win2K, XP, 7

There's no discernable pattern as described.

Uhh... no shit. (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | more than 2 years ago | (#41090459)

Seriously, did anyone out there really expect this *not* to happen?

A company follows up a product that works as expected with one that's totally different and in many ways inferior as a successor. Who would've guessed?

Running Joke? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41090519)

So, the running joke will be Windows 9 8 7?
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