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Logitech Releases Washable Keyboard

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the under-the-sea dept.

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MrSeb writes "Logitech has released its first washable keyboard. We're not just talking about 'splash proof' either — you can take the K310, immerse it in up to 30cm of water (12in), and give it a good scrub. The only limitation is you can only use standard washing up liquid — oh, and Logitech says you should try to keep the USB connector out of the water, too. Once you've washed the keyboard, simply leave it to dry. The user guide says it takes eight hours to air dry, and that you shouldn't use a hair dryer. There are actually drainage holes on the backside of the K310, to help speed things along. This isn't the first washable keyboard — HP and Kensington have both had models on the market for a while — but the K310 does seem to be the first reasonably attractive, consumer-oriented washable keyboard. It goes on sale at the end of the month for $40."

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Every keyboard is washable (4, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090839)

just use a screw driver, still takes about 8 hours to dry and your not sitting there wondering if your not holding a blob of water under the spacebar that will fry the encoder

Re:Every keyboard is washable (4, Insightful)

mirix (1649853) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090913)

Yeah, going by the 8 hours to dry stated in the summary - almost all electronics are washable by that standard (provided batteries are removed, etc).

And to think that motherboard manufacturers have been missing out on marketing them as "washable" all these years...

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1, Informative)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090931)

computer collectors routinely take their mobo's out and run them through the dishwasher (I personally wouldn't do it without distilled water but whatever), so yea I guess the manfac's have been missing a marketing point

Re:Every keyboard is washable (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091547)

I don't think you and I know the same kinds of computer collectors. In fact, I don't think you know many people at all that don't wear white coats if you believe that story.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

DrXym (126579) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091765)

I could potentially see people dousing an old board with distilled water, or gently removing grime with a swab and alcohol / water. Maybe some specialists even have industrial washers that spray the board in a controlled way with a closed water system. I'm having a hard time believing many people would want to put a board into a dishwasher even on the lowest setting, even without a tablet, unless they wanted to totally ruin it.

Dishwashers involve powerful jets of water which would have no trouble breaking off bits of solder or loose connections, or getting inside microswitches. Even if the board wasn't damaged it would have to be dried for days at low humidity to ensure all the moisture was gone. Also it can't be good for the water waste treatment system if all that shit from pcbs ends up there.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (3, Interesting)

allanw (842185) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091845)

Those ubiquitous black IC's are plastic packaging which is not moisture sealed. Not sure if it'd actually affect the silicon to soak it in water for a bit though and use normally. But if you ever order any parts, they come in moisture sealed bags with big warning labels saying that you must reflow solder the IC's within 24-72 hours of opening the package or else too much moisture from the air will seep into the packaging, causing them to act like popcorn when you bake them to 350C for soldering. So if you leave them out too long you're supposed to slowly bake them to get rid of all the moisture before reflow soldering.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091063)

Mmmm. I find that if I use a screw driver, the orange juice leaves a sticky residue which interferes with the keyboards function.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (4, Insightful)

mug funky (910186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091163)

if you just use the vodka you get a much cleaner keyboard.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091563)

if you just use the vodka you get a much cleaner keyboard.

I dunno, when I use vodka my keyboard gets blurry.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (3, Funny)

jimshatt (1002452) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091655)

Only at first. Drink much more and you're keyboard will get 'puky'. After that you'll want to clean it THOROUGHLY!

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091109)

Might have to give that a try, have been wondering about the accumulated crap between the keys for a while... though I did see this [officesupplygeek.com] and considered getting it...

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091125)

It goes a lot faster (less than an hour) if you can pop all the keys off. Vacuum and damp rag on the main keyboard assembly, bucket in a deep sink with Dawn or similar soap and hot water for the keys. Let them soak for 5 minutes, agitate/stir around a few times, soak for 5 more minutes. (Much like cleaning Lego bricks.) Then it's just a matter of wiping the keys down and blowing them dry. Canned "air" seems to be the fastest way. The fun part is popping all the keys back in and in the right order. Just don't lose any in the process of cleaning them.

Unfortunately not all keyboards are designed with keys that can be removed and of course this only works if you're not such a slob that sticky stuff actually gets all the way inside the main keyboard assembly where the contacts are, but rather the average junk that often builds up on the keys and the flat surface under them. (But I'll give logitech credit for coming up with a keyboard where you can simply throw the whole thing under the sink and not worry about corroding the contacts. If they could make it bluetooth wireless and dishwasher safe then I'd be sold on it for sure.)

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

mug funky (910186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091177)

i've seen the older (transparent shell kind) mac pro keyboards go through the dishwasher before.

dry them on top of a coffee machine where the cups go.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

chthon (580889) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091205)

Indeed, Jerry Pournelle did this twenty years ago under his shower, with standard keyboards.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091313)

Many years ago I dropped a full cup of coffee on my MB at work. After I finished cursing I drained it out into the dust bin and kept right on typing without a problem. The next day it had dried out properly but the sugar in the coffee had recrystalised and ceased the keys.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091483)

Seized?

Easy solution - redissolve the sugar with water, then let dry again.
You probably should have rinsed the keyboard off before allowing to dry in the first place.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (2)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091649)

A better solution is to aways drink coffee the way it's meant to be drunk: black, no sugar.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091733)

Better still: Don't spill your coffee or anything else on your keyboard.

Problem instantly goes away. :)

Re:Every keyboard is washable (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091345)

just use a screw driver, still takes about 8 hours to dry and your not sitting there wondering if your not holding a blob of water under the spacebar that will fry the encoder

Why bother with that effort? I have cleaned keyboards in a dishwasher. Just leave them for a few days before attempting to use.

Re:Every keyboard is washable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091569)

I can vouch for this. Every keyboard is indeed washable.

Oh, wait, you wanted your keyboard to work after being washed? Why does everyone have to be so picky these days?

Does it come in a one handed version? (5, Funny)

hawks5999 (588198) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090865)

Just checking.

Re:Does it come in a one handed version? (1)

cerberusss (660701) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091489)

Does it come in a one handed version?

The "college version"? This is the reason why I never buy second-hand laptops from students.

Re:Does it come in a one handed version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091575)

I take it you stopped masturbating when you left college? No?

The flaw in your logic. I see it.

Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (4, Informative)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090873)

I'm using a 20$ head set. I have a 10$ keyboard by them, and like a 15$ Optical Mouse. All my Logitech stuff works well and lasts for years. When I used Belkin, the stuff had weird errors and conflicts here and there. Logitech seems like it is the quality goto product when you're looking to be economical.

I was wondering if other people have had a good experience with this company?

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090905)

I have a 3 button logitech serial mouse that was a few years old when I got it in 1990, still works fine
I also have random stuff from them from keyboards to mice to game controllers, always seems like a safe bet at a slightly more than reasonable price + for many many years ALL of the OEM people sent out their computers with logitech gear (granted in different colors and silkscreens)

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41090917)

I bought a high-end, gaming keyboard from Logitech.
And there are several key combinations that don't register. Key combinations that have come up in games and been integral to progress. Its left-down-z, to be specific. So, no, I would not recommend their keyboards.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41090961)

Who modded this down? sounds like a legitimate complaint to me.

turfers turfin'?

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

werewolf1031 (869837) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091065)

Who modded this down? sounds like a legitimate complaint to me.

turfers turfin'?

Maybe he was modded down because he was using the arrow keys to play a game instead of WASD or ESDF.

Or, less jokingly, maybe he was modded down because he's full of manure. I have a Logitech Illuminated keyboard, which is decidedly not a "gaming" keyboard, yet it can handle at least 4 simultaneous keypresses in-game (possibly more but I haven't checked).

I'd say either he's out to bash Logitech, he got a lemon, or he's Just Doing It Wrong.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091081)

I had a G15 v2 and it was a horrible piece of shit. I can confirm the other anon cowards comments.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (2)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091113)

whereas my G15 v2 is awesome!

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091243)

and my original G15 that I bought over 5 years ago is still kicking ass.
yeah the paint where I rest my wrist is gone, but it gives a cool contoured look!

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

Chaonici (1913646) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091139)

My Logitech Illuminated Keyboard is wonderful, but it has a few keys that have mysteriously stopped working. Google has thoroughly failed me in diagnosing the issue, and because of how the keyboard is built, I can't take it apart or take any keys off without risking damage.

It has made me rather unhappy with Logitech. My next keyboard might be a different brand.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41090929)

Not sure if astroturd.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

MachDelta (704883) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091015)

The only Logitech peripheral I wasn't happy with was a webcam a few years back. I've had two keyboards, a handful of mice (I still miss my mx500/518s), two speaker sets, and a pair of headphones. They were all acceptable or better. My keyboard is almost 9 years old and still kicking - albeit minus a good bit of the labels and finish. And yes, it survived the dishwasher just fine.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

Zibodiz (2160038) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091083)

Largely personal preference, but I won't buy anything but Logitech. I get about a year out of a battery in my laptop mouse with a 4' range. My MS laptop mice never lasted more than 6 months, and have a range of about 18" LOS (which really sucks if your only USB ports are on the left side of your laptop). I've had 3 MS and 5 Logitech wireless mice, with pretty consistent results from each, except that Logitech desktop mice use 2 batteries and have twice the range. The only real complaint I have is that the keyboard encryption can only be set up from a Windows application, and has to be re-set every time the batteries run completely dead, which is a nuisance for full-time Linux users like myself. In my computer shop, Logitech's the only 'name brand' we carry.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091145)

Funny because MS mice (and Dell and a host of others) are basically re-branded Logitech mice.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091165)

I've had pretty much a near-perfect run with Logitech equipment. Currently I have the following logitech gear at home: a Harmony 1100i universal remote, an Xbox360 Guitar, a g15 v2 keyboard (which as mentioned above, is dirty, but still going great), a g500 mouse, a pure-fi express iphone dock, and a webcam. There's also a couple of other logitech mice on the kids computers. All of which I've been very impressed with.

In a professional capacity, I'm currently typing on a logitech k120 keyboard and using an ergonmic mouse. Though I have used the mk510 and mk710 desktop sets in a previous job - and they are the only devices I've ever purchased from logitech which failed to impress me, and that was mainly due to the key shape on the keyboard.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091197)

I've been using Logitech stuff for over ten years. When the charger contacts on an unfortunately designed wireless mouse/keyboard base station went awry, they exchanged the old arrangement for a completely new model KB/M. When that sadly went a few years later, they did the same.

On the other hand, my third mouse in the last year is due to be delivered by courier tomorrow. It's an M705, and I'm convinced that there's a design flaw in the primary button switches. I know the warning signs though, and there's minimal hoop-jumping for a replacement these days, so I'm happy.

Definitely going to look into a different model of Logitech mouse when the warranty finally expires, though.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

betterprimate (2679747) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091303)

Logitech's hardware is known for its durability and innovation since the 90s. Logitech's premium products used to be great and may still yet be. They were the first at the optical trackball when trackballs had more popularity. That ball looked like a red and black tropical, poisonous toad. Belkin are notoriously bad for everything they produce and are to be avoided like the plague. They are cheap quality at a steep price and are were usually pushed at places like Best Buy, Computer City, etc. I've been using mac hardware for the past five years so my input may be aged. If you work with computers, consider going mac. I'm not be being shill; it's all about the workflow and the expectancy of your hardware and your own time. Many people geek out on hardware and it's cool if you do. I did when I was a kid, but when you depend upon your hardware for your livelihood, meh..... A race car driver doesn't change his/her own tires.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091409)

Mac do get quality notoriety for not having many viruses. The problem is that if you naively think you're immune, that's when you run into unexpected problems. I'm still stuck in defensive mode on my PCs ever since the buffer overflow viruses of the early 2000s. I think if just one vulnerability hits my work machine, I'm out dozens of hours for reinstall, and lose lots of work and files that weren't worthy of backup. So I only browse limited websites in case one has a vulnerability.

I'm still not sure why Windows doesn't release a secure version. It'd be as simple as not allowing .exe out of their install directory. Every .exe gets its own registry that can't mess with other values. Then there would be a shared memory sector to transfer data between applications. This wouldn't help with old aps, but future aps could conform. To run old aps, you'd have to manually click "it is trusted". People would have the incentive to make their .exe trusted because it'd get more downloads from the Internet :) Once Microsoft Windows would be able to be friendly with the Internet, they'd have a better ability to compete. It shouldn't be that incredibly hard for them at MS to write this secure version, all it needs is put up sandbox values that you can't write to the same global registry as drivers write to, and that you can't escape the install directory. It shouldn't even take a huge rewrite, just some modification with existing code.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

slashrio (2584709) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091327)

Not really.
One time (about 3 years ago) I bought their USB headset which performed excellently (once it was recognised by my hardware) but for some reason it suddenly died. "Well", I thought, "Why not buy another one, as the quality (except for the breakdown) was near to perfect."
So, off I went to the shop, bought one (A-0008), and was quite happy with it. Until one earshell broke off. Then I got complaints from others who had to listen to me as I spoke through the mike, that there was a terrible 50 Hz humming sound which they had to endure. And then the one earpiece left started making crackling noises if some low-frequency sound were sent to it.
Then, there is my Logitech Mouse M305. Middle button a total failure. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
I don't think I'll buy there expensive crap anymore...

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091383)

I think they make cheap shit and sell it for too much. Specifically, a lot of their headsets are pretty trashy and fragile. I liked my logitech mx510, but I like my razer mice a lot better and they last longer for the same price range.

Their keyboards all have squishy keys, and have bad ghosting. Their high end keyboards don't have linux drivers for the extra buttons that are, for some reason, on a separate usb device internally.

I think they've gone downhill a bit.

Fantastic Customer Support (1)

goldcd (587052) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091861)

Bought a keyboard from a bargain bin, then realized one of the lifters was missing on the back. Mailed Logitech to see if they sold replacements - Sorry, but we've put a whole new keyboard in the post to you gratis.
Bought a Logitech Harmony, couldn't get a thingie to work (software issue on my PC) - Indian call centre guy (I only mention this as my heart had initially crashed when I heard the accent) was fantastic, talked me through installing and using alternate client, stayed on phone until I'd confirmed it was all working - and then called me back the next day just to check everything was OK before he closed the case.
Remote finally died, as things do - No repair service we're afraid, but here's a 50% voucher off any Harmony you might wish to replace it with.
Logitech are one of the very few companies that I will definitely pay extra for. I feel emotionally attached and if I hear they've had a bad quarter, I feel bad - I'm rooting for the guy that's swimming against the tide in the general race to the bottom.

Re:Anyone else have good experience with Logitech? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091933)

When I used Belkin, the stuff had weird errors and conflicts here and there.

In my books, Belkin is a garbage brand.

Been washing them for years... (5, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090877)

Dude... I've been washing my keyboards for years. Spill coffee in them? Run EM under the tap and dry them out. Spill beer in it, stick it in the dish washer. Air dry.

Re:Been washing them for years... (1)

arkane1234 (457605) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091009)

The fact that you do it and it still works proper is mere coincidence.
Especially with tap water, and not disassembling.
This is designed for being washed without disassembling, so no risk.

Re:Been washing them for years... (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091037)

Maybe, but I've heard lots of stories of people washing their keyboards, and not very many stories of broken keyboards as a result. My guess is it's normal for keyboards to be able to withstand a washing.

Re:Been washing them for years... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091191)

I've been washing keyboards for years, and have never had one break. Leo Laporte even recommends putting keyboards in the dishwasher and just giving them a few extra days to dry (http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-196.htm)

Re:Been washing them for years... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091207)

The problem is, whenever you (inevitably) spill beer on your keyboard, you're probably too drunk to fix it right.

Re:Been washing them for years... (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091477)

Electronics is normally washed as a final step in assembly - partly to remove the flux from soldering. The only things that would not like it are speakers with cardboard cones and batteries of all kinds. If you are certain the device has neither, there will be no problem washing it. However, if you want to remove carpet fluff and other large objects, dismantling is generally a good idea.

I have washed a lot of Cisco kit, Sun servers, etc, and I recommend, "In the Bath, with Fairy Liquid and a large back brush" but always clean the bath before using it for bathing!

Re:Been washing them for years... (1)

Zoxed (676559) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091493)

I have done it several times with 2 different keyboards on our "family" PC (i.e. the one that the grubby little kids used to use !). Warm shower, stiff brush and air dried, usually for several days whilst they were away visiting granny. Always worked fine afterwards.

Re:Been washing them for years... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091689)

But now you have been given PERMISSION to wash your keyboard. Don't you feel that this customer empowerment is invigorating?

Meh (3, Informative)

Gazzonyx (982402) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090891)

Meh. The keyboard that I'm using (Kensington, FWIW) is "water proof"; it has two holes in the bottom where liquids that are spilled into the keys can drain out. It also (in theory) dries quickly after a cleaning because of these holes. Best $15 keyboard I bought in college.

Re:Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091105)

You bought more than one $15 keyboard in college?

Re:Meh (2)

Gazzonyx (982402) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091135)

Yeah, I got a Spanish keyboard down at Walmart. I think it was $12. I touch type, so it was a deal. It also screws with anyone that tries to use the desktop that it's on.

This is perfect... (5, Funny)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090893)

... for when I'm wanting to use my computer while bathing. Accidentally dropping the keyboard won't cause catastrophe. But is it bluetooth?

Re:This is perfect... (1)

Grayhand (2610049) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091227)

... for when I'm wanting to use my computer while bathing. Accidentally dropping the keyboard won't cause catastrophe. But is it bluetooth?

Nope. it says to not get the USB wet.

Re:This is perfect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091263)

No, it is USB. Read the summary.
Washing it while its plugged in will destroy it and probably your USB controller if not your entire motherboard.

Re:This is perfect... (1)

KaoticEvil (91813) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091421)

No, it is USB. Read the summary.

You must be new here...

Re:This is perfect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091613)

You must believe that the fact that idiots never read TFA or more than skim TFS means we should excuse them being idiots. It doesn't. It means we should point and laugh. So take your little apologetic ass a level higher in the conversation and make fun of the idiot instead of the people doing the right thing, mmkay.

Dishwasher? (3, Informative)

jamesh (87723) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090925)

Call me when I can put my keyboard in the dishwasher. When I spilled honey on my last laptop keyboard i took the whole keyboard out, ran it under warm water for a few minutes, sat it in the drainer for 30 minutes to kind of dry, then put it back together. It outlasted the rest of the laptop. Most keyboards can take this sort of abuse.

Re:Dishwasher? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41090971)

"honey"? Is that what kids call it these days?

Re:Dishwasher? (2)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091049)

yes, it was jizz. I don't know how the hell any one could get 'honey' on a keyboard. Did you knock the jar over and wait 10min for it to drip out on the keyboard? Or you must know of a good way to sling honey around that I haven't heard of yet.

Re:Dishwasher? (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091019)

You can run a keyboard (or practically anything in a PC other than disk drives or batteries) through a dishwasher. Just don't put it on the super hot 'pots and pans' cycle. Also expect to reapply thermal paste to the cpu and graphics card.

Re:Dishwasher? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091171)

Skymall's been advertising dishwasher-safe keyboards and mice for a while.

Re:Dishwasher? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091217)

What's your number?

Re:Dishwasher? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091315)

1-888-YO-MAMMA

That's right, bitch, I ate your mother out. Deal with it.

As others have pointed out, 'washable' electronics is nothing new.

Otherwise, I find Logitech equipment fine; their keyboards are no IBM M-series quality, and I wish there was a trackpoint option, but there's good tactile feedback, nice travel, and their micro-receiver is nice. Only thing I wonder is: why don't they just use bluetooth. Licensing costs, probably (or the fact that bluetooth hasn't once been made to work without severe loss of hair :) )

Re:Dishwasher? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091413)

Check out this blog post: http://blogs.helsinki.fi/pervila/2011/06/07/keyboards-and-dishwashers/
Looks like you can wash almost any keyboard out there.

every logitech keyboard i've had (1)

ClintJCL (264898) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090939)

has eventually failed after I've spilled water on it. Wireless keyboards. I gave them good on the 5 year warranty replacement, though. Every set was replaced 2 or 3 times. Got my money's worth. But to me, that does not meet any definition of "waterproof". That's something that would impress me.

Re:every logitech keyboard i've had (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091127)

Hi! Are you talking about the keyboard in question? It seems to be new...

Running out of ideas? (1)

werewolf1031 (869837) | about a year and a half ago | (#41090997)

Much as I've enjoyed Logitech's products over the years, and still do, I think they're running out of ideas.

https://www.getezeyes.com/ [getezeyes.com]

Just like their G600 is a blatant rip-off of the Razer Naga, they seem to have reached a bit of a wall when it comes to having new concepts of their own. They should just go back to doing what they did best: refining what they had iteratively, making improvements with each device generation, rather than "hey, those guys over there are doing something we're not, we gotta get in on that!".

My 2 copper. Still enjoying my Logitech Illuminated and G700, but having doubts about where the company is headed at this point.

Re:Running out of ideas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091151)

I thought their solar-powered wireless keyboard was pretty neat.

no need for this... (1)

CheshireDragon (1183095) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091027)

I already do that with my keyboards and some of my oldest ones are over 10years old. I let them dry for a good 24-48hrs though. I have other comps to work with in the mean time.

Model M (2)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091097)

Model Ms have been going in the dishwasher for two decades. Just sayin'..

Re:Model M (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091651)

Well, that's because model M's annoy people so much that they want to torture them as much as possible. The fact that most of them don't die from this doesn't mean it's not emotionally satisfying for people having to listen to that clicking racket, day in, day out. Oh for FUCK'S SAKE JUST GET A REAL KEYBOARD ALREADY!

Antique != good.
Sturdy != quality.

I admit, (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091119)

I've never had a touch-screen anything, so be advised. With all the nonsense with touch-screens corrupting sacred UIs, why not a touchscreen keyboard? Now I may be going in odd directions, but it seems the touchy-feely (*8, Uni*, Gno*) sorts could have their cake and maybe have a slice of it too. Imagine an AI keyboard that catered to the user's ergonomics rather than the user to the the device.. What I imply, is a keyboard that could learn the user's ergonomics, kind of like voice-recognition -- and adapt accordingly. Something like this might be a useful range between voice-command and static hardware. And it could be almost like sandboxing the pestilent frenzy of bubbly touchy simpletardation mongers, yet they could play and so could "we". A harmonious mixture of the classically practical -- and restless innovation?

why not a touchscreen keyboard? (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091335)

Two words. Tactile feedback. Even the mushiest keyboard lets you feel that you've hit the key. With a touchscreen keyboard you need to use visual feedback and take away your eyes from the screen or from your source material.

Re:why not a touchscreen keyboard? (1)

Havenwar (867124) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091709)

Yeah, my main problem with my laptop is actually the opposite... the keyboard is so flexible with mushy keys that even if _I_ feel I hit the key, the computer doesn't always notice. I presume because the entire keyboard flexes with my push putting the actual key-switch further away from the key top. Or some such. Learning to type really really softly is more of a challenge than it should be, but hey, I've been typing on heavy mechanical switches for 20+ years.

Re:I admit, (1)

Havenwar (867124) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091691)

I'm fairly sure touch screen keyboards have been tried or announced and failed, or is about to come, or some such. I've heard it before anyway. As for the rest of that stuff, that's impossible.

Oh, the long version? Right. Voice recognition adapts to the way you speak by two factors, one, you speak, two, you correct it when it gets it wrong. This doesn't work for keyboards, because we expect the keys to be in certain places. They can't just one day go "oh you use these keys a lot, let us move them closer for you!" because the user would have to re-learn the keyboard over and over again. Basically with voice recognition the user doesn't change the way they speak (much), but with keyboards the user has to change the way they type with every change to the input device that's done.

So, sorry, it's one of those things that sound really neat, but has no conceivable use-case in the real world. If you think people would accept this sort of thing, try buying a bunch of different keyboards with different layouts and then just grab a friend, and switch his keyboard out. Every few hours or days. Dvorak, Qwerty, Qwertz, different languages, shapes, models.

See how long it takes before he vows to piss on your grave rather than ever buy a keyboard you've made to mimic this behaviour.

Dishwasher (1)

betterprimate (2679747) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091195)

Seriously. If they're not attached to a laptop, just run them through without the heat/dry cycle. I've been doing it for 13 years. Just give them a liberal 48 hours to dry out. And for fuck sake, don't add soap.

Washable keyboards (3)

Animats (122034) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091261)

This is hardly the first washable keyboard. The IBM PS/2 keyboard was made to be machine-washable. There are many washable flex keyboards. They're not even expensive.

Most keyboards that don't contain speakers can be washed and rinsed, provided you use de-ionized or distilled water that won't leave solids behind when it evaporates. After all, PC boards usually go through a dishwasher-like cleaning step after soldering.

Re:Washable keyboards (2)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091355)

The summary acknowledges this - it's only Logitech's first washable keyboard, so why the hell it was deemed newsworthy by the editors is beyond me.

Can't they fix their mice first?! (1)

tlim (590309) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091301)

After a while, the Logitech mice go bad and out comes the dreaded double click problem. It's as if they _want_ those mice to be broken on purpose after a certain amount of time. Fix the damn mice please!

The king of peripherals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091405)

Don't buy fancy mice. I'm serious. I have two Logitech mice I got for free during the initial rebate craze. Today they cost about three bucks. These suckers have lasted through intentional punishment.

My good friend is on his third Logitech G6. I am on my second Razor Naga.

Hundreds of dollars wasted on fancy mice instead of sticking to the simple ones every elementary school trusts to children.

You mean I wasn't supposed to use the Dishwasher? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091319)

I threw my USB keyboard in the dishwasher waited a day and plugged it in, tada still works.

Preventing the sharing of bacterias (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091387)

Didn't RTFA (hey, is this Slashdot!) but I guess the expected customers will be hospitals and the like, where sharing bacterias is a big no-no.

VT Terminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091411)

Back in the '90s, I was working at a VAX/Unix shop, using VT terminals. It was the end of the era for green-screen terminals, but there was one thing about them that you couldn't do with the PCs we had at the same time -- you could dish-wash the keyboards.

All I'm saying is this is an old concept. Call it a feature, sure, but don't trumpet it as an innovation.

I've given up on Logitech (1)

CardinalCathyn (465250) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091431)

I *love* their products, but until they re-release the TrackMan Marble FX, I'm buying nothing from them.

Clearly... (1)

niftymitch (1625721) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091485)

Clearly they intend clean up in this market.
Sadly the folk that need this are ignorant that it is needed
With the possible parent as an exception.

Smells like No True Scotsman (1)

Kaz Kylheku (1484) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091499)

Well, it's not actually the world's first washable keyboard, just the world's first pretty, consumer-oriented washable keyboard.

If you take any category of thing and add more and more restrictions, you can arrive at a world's best, world's first, etc.

Hospitals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41091647)

Have been using washable keyboards in emergency rooms for years, at least in the UK.

So "Ads disabled" doesn't mean what I thought? (1)

ratbag (65209) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091737)

It's new, it's washable, but it's already been done at least twice by other companies. So it ain't news, it's an advert. Grrr.

Lies (1)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091787)

What the hell are they talking about? Every roll up keyboard I've ever seen is washable. Those little things are awesome, if a little quick to wear.

ALL ELECTRONICS is washable, ffs. (1)

FridgeFreezer (1352537) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091793)

I realise there's a low quota of hardware nerds on here, but most electronics gets washed on the production line to remove flux and contaminants.

The biggie with *any* electronics is to not use anything that causes damage or corrosion, and to have the device powered off until it's absolutely dry (if using water) to prevent shorts or electrolytic corrosion.

The best thing is isopropyl alcohol, aside from being a bit of a hazard to some paint/stickers etc. it's about the top thing for cleaning electronics.

Any keyboard (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about a year and a half ago | (#41091813)

I have frequently washed regular keyboards in this way... So long as you leave it a long time to dry (usually overnight in the boiler closet) they work just fine afterwards. Considering how cheap keyboards are, i saw nothing to lose by washing it and having already bought a new one, now had a spare.

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