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Judge Orders Release of Ex-Marine Detained Over Facebook Posts

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the tells-everyone-to-chill-out dept.

Censorship 333

Penurious Penguin writes "A few days ago, news of an ex-marine detained for his Facebook posts reached far and wide throughout the interweb. It was a hotly debated affair and considered from many perspectives. Today, a judge has ordered the release of Brandon Raub, citing a lack of facts regarding the detention. It's a strange case, undoubtedly, but perhaps even stranger when taking into account a few things. For example, Raub reportedly made claims that one of the psychiatrists involved in the case threatened him with forced medication. For history polymaths, government proposals of forced medication may not be a surprise; you may remember the case of Susan Lindauer. The situation may also remind of 2009, when Fusion Centers targeted Ron Paul supporters, certain universities, and conspiracy theorists as threats to national security, even logging anti death-penalty and anti-war activists into federal terrorism databases. Personally, I find myself wondering what sorts of epic dangers someone like Noam Chomsky might seem to pose after a stressful day and a few beers, if overheard by certain departments."

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Semper Fi (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109741)

Whatever the hell that means

Re:Semper Fi (2)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109847)

Always Faithful.

A Useful fact for you (2, Informative)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110157)

Semper Fidelis would be Latin for Always Faithful.
As this is the Marine Corps Motto if you say this in say a tavern you will most likely hear Ho-Ah! from a number of folks (marines tend to run in groups).

Also if you forget a marines birthday then you can always use November 10 as a "fallback" since that is the Marine Birthday (bonus note do not "crash' those parties since multiple folks WILL BE ARMED).

Re:A Useful fact for you (4, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110187)

Mostly correct.

The Army says Ho-Ah. The Marine Corps says Ooh-Rah.

Re:A Useful fact for you (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110617)

The Army says Ho-Ah. The Marine Corps says Ooh-Rah.

With a straight face?

Re:A Useful fact for you (5, Funny)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110811)

No, with a "I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all" face.

-General Mattis

Re:A Useful fact for you (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110821)

The Army says Ho-Ah. The Marine Corps says Ooh-Rah.

With a straight face?

No, with your war face.

Re:A Useful fact for you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110845)

You girls watch Mail Call, do you?

Re:A Useful fact for you (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110851)

Yes.

I'me not a Marine, but I know quite a few, many fighter pilots (that's just not fair, BTW, to be Marine AND a fighter pilot, but FTW anyways), and they would indeed shout 'Ooh-Rah' when appropriate. It is best to shout the same cry, satisfies the military requirement for order and discipline, and may ocasionally expose an imposter.

But, if you are not a Marine, it is understandable that you would think as you do, unless you paid a little attention and asked about such things. If you're not a total dork, they wil tell you. Sometimes even if you are.

Re:Semper Fi (2, Informative)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110813)

but it's not what he said that scared the government.

It's that he's a Marine and said it.

1,000 crazy truthers are nothing compared to one determined Marine.

Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109745)

I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

As if the truth about all that isn't just as... (2)

darkharlequin (1923) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109801)

... bizarre as his fantasy world.

Re:As if the truth about all that isn't just as... (4, Interesting)

lexsird (1208192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110777)

That smacks of Illuminati conspiracy theories. The Internet is a complete cesspool of half baked conspiracy theories that the mentally stressed or ill should not be exposed to. Information overload.

The military really needs to deprogram these guys and integrate them back into the population. I would propose a type of "Combat Engineering" program, to shift these guys into some good paying, hard working jobs back home, via prepping them for things like road construction. We need to rework the infrastructure, unless we are just going to let the country fall into a vast wasteland. I present to you the concept of a Trans Americas Highway system, to tie the entire continents of North and South America together. A big project, but very handy for developing this part of the world. It's what advanced civilizations do.

That or something like it, to burn off a decade of war stress, by building something. Let's build it here, fuck them. They need to build something.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (5, Funny)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109805)

The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

So he's probably a frequent AC on /.?

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110233)

No! He's a 4 uid you insensitive clod!

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110351)

So he's probably a frequent AC on /.?

Apart from the castle part (I can't imagine Bush Jr. doing anything like that without involving Texas), I don't see what's wrong about what he's...

Oh, God DAMNIT, cultiv8, you're on to us! All right, quick, everyone, fall back to absurd, borderline dada nonsense, we'll have to come up with something else. Bring back the Natalie-Portman-petrified-grits meme as a placeholder until we've got it worked out.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1, Troll)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109829)

The most unbelievable thing in that scenario is that Bush is smart enough to pull such a thing off.

Maybe he means it as a code or a metaphor. :-)

But, yeah, the flying saucer men are probably really the flying saucer men.

Free cookie to anyone getting that reference.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110119)

OK, you lost me at "Bush is smart enough".

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110527)

Apparently I lost you earlier where I used the word "unbelievable". :-|

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (3, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110365)

(1) I wanted to comment that those who said the marine "deserved to be jailed" were wrong. The cops handed-in a blank piece of paper!!! Basically the cops arrested him without causes and this shit should not be happening in America. Thankfully we had a judge who still serves the Virginia Constitution (shall not be deprived of freedom w/o due process) and released the man ASAP.

(2) The "version" of this Bilderberg theory I hear is that Bush is dumb as dirt. He was just a puppet that was used by Cheney and other connected men to manipulate things behind the scenes. (This same theory also claims Obama is a puppet.) Here's a photo that is frequently used. It's Bush's head but overlaid with an Obama mask..... meaning nothing has really changed except the frontman:

http://www.dokumentarci.com.hr/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/The_Obama_Deception_by_virtuadc.jpg [dokumentarci.com.hr]

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110455)

Actually, that looks like Bill Clinton's hair/head.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (2)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110685)

Did you reply to the right post? Personally, I think the guy needs help, not jail, but the mental health landscape in this country is abysmal.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

FishOuttaWater (1163787) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110403)

Ah, that's the clever part: He's only *pretending* to be that dim.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (3, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109877)

He's mentally ill

How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

Again, how do you know this?

The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane?

Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109949)

Making observations based on superficial evidence is usually pretty dicey, but the opinions he ostensibly represents would lead one to believe that there are paranoid delusions being spouted, rather than random disinformation usually attributed to political parties.

In your case, being obviously preposterous is much different than being delusional. While professionals are the ultimate observers, we civilians can make reasonably educated guesses ourselves.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110123)

How, exactly, do you know this? You have the qualifications to set a diagnosis and have enough data to comfortably do so?

Well, I suppose it's always possible that the homeless guy at the subway station who's talking to invisible people and carrying around a jar of his own urine ISN'T actually mentally ill, but is in fact a psychic who can talk to the dead--but only with the help of concentrated urine. Only a Ph.D. in Psychology can pierce through that unknown veil and reveal the truth of the matter (since part of the Psychology Ph.D. program at any major university involves learning to distinguish the real conspiracies/psychics/mediums/etc. from the fake ones, presumably). Until then, we should all probably give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that it's just as likely that he's NOT mentally ill (until we can find a board-certified Psychologist to tell us differently).

Or, maybe the homeless guy is making a giant meta-joke on the world. Being a homeless guy talking to invisible people is secretly all part of his MFA thesis performance art piece entitled "Homeless Guy Who Appears Mentally Ill, But Isn't." Again, since there is no way to be sure, we should probably treat this as equally a possibility.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Funny)

FacePlant (19134) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110173)

> Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

Wrong Canadian. It was Supreme General Leonard Cohen.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110361)

> Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

Wrong Canadian. It was Supreme General Leonard Cohen.

But Justin Bieber was pulling the strings......

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (3, Funny)

Antarius (542615) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110177)

Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait.

So he's responsible for inflicting atrocities and human suffering on a grand scale AND of an act of war?!

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110717)

Again, how do you know this? The pope is secretly an ant-eater, and Neil Young planned the invasion of Kuwait. There. You now think you have enough evidence to conclude that (a) I believe that, and (b) are insane? Leave the diagnoses to the professionals, please.

You are indeed insane. Note because of your sentence about the pope, that is your only true statement in there. It's your stuff that makes you insane.

And if you're not, we'll drive you there.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109897)

How can you be certain he is wrong?

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (2)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110239)

How can you be certain he is wrong?

No more certain than I can be that unicorns aren't real, of course. I can only presume that the press would be woefully inadequate (even more so than usual) to have missed either George Bush's secret child-raping castle or all the horned, magical horses flying around shitting rainbows.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109925)

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109927)

He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children.

Posting that here will get you an instant "+5, Insightful" here.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (2)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110363)

Posting that here will get you an instant "+5, Insightful" here.

How long have you worked for the department of redundancy department?

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110605)

How long have you worked for the department of redundancy department?

After five years of service, I just celebrated my fifth anniversary.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109939)

Just as the people on the right saying that Obama is controlling hurricanes, that he was married to his male college roommate, or that he is planning to give US sovereignty to the UN.

We are INUNDATED with these people right now and we're giving them a lot of mindspace.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109951)

You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

Unfortunately, in this puritanical country mental illness is treated like demonic posession. That is, something to punish the victim for to make ourselves feel more righteous. That's even more sick than this guy is.

Kafka (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110203)

He should have an offer of the very best help possible, paid for by the same people who paid for him being a marine.

I'm not so sure that he should be forced into treatment until and unless he causes harm, not just talk. That opens up for Kafkanesque abuse.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110293)

You're right the free speech issues here are minimal. The real problem is how we deal with the mentally ill in this country. He needs help, not prison.

And thats why they took him to a mental hospital (John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital, to be specific) and not prison. He wasn't technically arrested or charged with any crime at all, it was a "civil commitment" (which law exists, I believe, to hold individuals who are believed to be a potential danger to themselves/others).

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110311)

It's sad, but in the last 2 years or so, I've heard people who I once respected--who were once normal, rational human beings--say some of the most outlandish/ridiculous/insane shit about Barack Obama that I've ever heard come out of anyone's mouth. It's like the whole country has become a giant mental institution.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110693)

It's like the whole country has become a giant mental institution.

Heh. This is the best description I've ever read of the good ol' US of A.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109967)

The cases always get a bit more interesting if the feds are involved(because institutionalizing pesky dissidents for being crazy would be a convenient thing to be able to do); but there are a lot of much more prosaic involuntary psych commitments. A suicide attempt will probably earn you one, as will psychosis or delusions sufficiently strong and unpleasant to render you likely to violence toward yourself or others.

For obvious reasons, this corner of medicine really does bear considerable watching; but it operates largely according to protocols designed for serious but politically uninteresting psych cases. Being seriously mentally ill and cogent enough to be a credible threat to political types is relatively rare.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110097)

Here's an interview with the guy while he was still being detained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sX1EvM6XksM [youtube.com]
He may be "sick" but he doesn't sound like it. I have met people with some very weird beliefs and they haven't and wouldn't harm a fly.
Another interesting discussion on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMo6BrDbDQE [youtube.com]

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110117)

He's mentally ill, and really does need help

And you're basing this diagnosis on what exactly?

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110425)

And you're basing this diagnosis on what exactly?

On the fact that I've been to George Bush's child-raping castle and can verify that there are absolutely no child sacrifices going on. It's strictly rape, no killing. To suggest otherwise is obviously crazy.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110221)

The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

Wow, that is nuts. Everyone knows it's Dick Cheney.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1, Troll)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110223)

>>>He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it).

I friended him on facebook, and then start chatting with his friends. They say he's a quiet person and the kindest person they know.

>>>The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes

Provide citation or retract the libel.

>>>He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government

Well this part is true. He does believe that there's a group called the "Bilderberg Group" that acts, not as a world government, but also to set policy. And since this group just held a meeting in northern Virginia, the guy is not crazy. It's a fact that they exist. (But I doubt they are a world government..... just the leaders getting together to set international policy. Like a conference.)

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110313)

Yawn.

Put up or shut up.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110467)

>>>Yawn. Put up or shut up.

Sure. Right after you post under your registered /. ID. (Also maybe you could clarify what I'm supposed to "put up"? I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just stating what I've heard from the marine's FB friends and about Bilderberg meeting in Virginia.)

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Informative)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110521)

Provide citation or retract the libel.

July 28, 2012 Facebook post from Raub:

“If you are my friend, you deserve to know the truth. This world is secretly run by a shadow organization of people who among other things enjoy raping children. Some of leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers. It was a sacrifice and a complete inside job. Also the Bush’s are very sick twisted problems. I believe they have a secret Castle in Colorado where they have been raping and sacrificing children for many years. Think I’m crazy? Think again.”

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110307)

He's very sick and needs help.

Not the core issue causing all the fuss. Core issue is that he is being locked up for what he allegedly "said" in a facebook post. Second issue is the ongoing mistreatment of civilians by douhebag cops who think they are above the law. People are sick of it.

Besides, there are homeless people all over the city who are just as delusional as this guy. Are you going to force medication on them "just in case" they actually do something illegal?

Until someone actually breaks the law, or is endangering themselves or someone else, threatening to do so should not get you locked up. Hitler took that approach.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110359)

A probable exaggeration. I'm not willing to grant full on illness. Spend some time with conspiracy nuts. Seriously. Some real time. I made the mistake of being active in some groups for nearly a decade. It was a mistake, but one that let's me see the reason to their madness.

Don't bullshit them. Don't screw with them. Don't be rude. Just sit and listen. Ask questions if they aren't intended to be a misguided proof by contradiction. Here's a hint: What makes a good conspiracy a good conspiracy is that you can't prove it exists.

Like every community, they have their...messed up fools. Maybe a higher percentage. They have propagandists, glory hounds, attention whores, charismatic leaders. They certainly have a higher percentage of paranoids, but really... that's probably what draws them in the first place.

And they have thematic stories that have...elements of truth, however blown out of proportion.

The gov't planned 9/11? Well, it is indisputable fact that we funded Al Qaeda leaders, provided them arms and training, and largely ignored the bin laden threat. Sure, those incidents were... what, 20, 30 years ago? And with hindsight being 20/20, we can speculate wildly on people ignoring hijackers just wanting to learn to fly...

This guy certainly sounds sick, but he's almost certainly part of a fringe conspiracy theorizing community -- that while any individual may seem outlandish by total-societal standards, functions perfectly fine by itself. These groups often have hundreds of people -- their own websites, mailing lists, newsletters, maybe even really awkward get-togethers.

I don't celebrate that individual, but I celebrate the community, and the group that can reach such consensus, and has the freedom and liberty to draw such conclusions, however inaccurate they may be.

Democratic process requires permitting people to make wrong decisions, and letting them vote on them.

Remember, when you call them sick, deranged, lunatics, you externalize them -- cut them off from the societal support they need. You actively reinforce the most paranoid delusions that people are out to get them -- positively confirming the hypothesis that people are watching, paying too much attention, calling the police to check on them. They need normal friends with a bit of tolerance. If you try to medicate some of these people, you'll just create a person skilled in giving evasive answers to the shrink.

Anyway, I gotta run now... the government's about to send a pulse down the power lines that interacts with the iron in my hemoglobin to resonate a picture of what my eyes are seeing to the satellites in the sky.

Live free or die and meet Xenu!

(Seriously though... support. It's critical. And it isn't psychiatric that's needed except in case of planning immediate harm to self or others -- it's social, societal, communal, familial...)

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110499)

"The guy seriously believes..."

As long as it's just believing, why would anyone care?
Do people who believe in angels also need help?

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

AntiBasic (83586) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110639)

...He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

This describes 95% of the liberals in the world.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110773)

And 95.7% of conservatives.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (4, Insightful)

gmanterry (1141623) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110707)

I don't know if this guy was ever a real threat to anyone or not, but he certainly isn't some super-patriot or free speech hero. He's mentally ill, and really does need help (even if you can't force it). The guy seriously believes that George W. Bush is living in a secret castle in Colorado where he rapes and sacrifices children. He also believes that Bush not only planned 9-11, but serves a world shadow government who also seem to spend most of their time raping and sacrificing children (when they're not planning world domination, I guess).

Whatever you think of the free speech issues involved, please don't celebrate this dude. He's very sick and needs help.

Here is a link to what is supposed to be on his FaceBook page:

http://wtvr.com/2012/08/21/full-text-brandon-raubs-proclamation-take-our-republic-back/ [wtvr.com]

I don't see any references to Bush or children and being a former Marine myself, I agree with what he says. If he was arrested for this, it is just wrong and they need to put me away too.

Re:Ex-military, current paranoid schizophrenic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110731)

Wow, someone who would believe something like that would probably believe that the government would start a war and kill tens of thousands based on little to no evidence of another country potentially acquiring weapons of mass destruction. What kind of paranoid psychotic would believe that?
If believing in a conspiracy is grounds for commitment to a mental institution, then we need about 100 million more beds in those places.
I don't agree with his theories, but I've heard much worse. Like believing that raped women who get pregnant chose to get pregnant instead of " shutting it down."

History polymath? (3, Insightful)

gazbo (517111) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109821)

A polymath in a specific subject?

Re:History polymath? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110127)

thank you...

Re:History polymath? (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110355)

A person with a wide range of historical knowledge, as opposed to an expert in one field (like the American Civil War or ancient Greece). Strictly speaking, you be a polymath in a specific field if that field in turn has a large variety of largely separate sub-fields, although it is not generally used that way. The term makes sense, although it really doesn't seem relevant or required here at all.

Re:History polymath? (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110501)

Maybe my writing could use some improvements, but so could some of the arguments around here. Since history covers myriad subjects, I expect it is a large enough realm of study to make room for a polymath. There are enough subjects in this world to prohibit even a polymath from being an expert in history. I have in fact, never read anything holding that all polymaths are necessarily outstanding history buffs. And I am certainly not making any claims for myself; I simply chose a less than perfect term to describe the difficulties of knowing everything that has passed.

polymaths are more than just smart (1)

LulzAndOrder (2667597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109831)

polymaths are good at more than one thing. I don't think you can be a history polymath.

Re:polymaths are more than just smart (1)

NEDHead (1651195) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110341)

Since history tends to be rewritten over time, one might be a 'revisions of history' polymath...?

Re:polymaths are more than just smart (1)

LulzAndOrder (2667597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110715)

that's called a historian :)

Expect more stories like this. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109853)

More troops are coming home. A lot of them spent a lot of time overseas, and despite the intense media spin that says otherwise, we did some really messed up shit over there.

We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.

Now that they're home we don't need them anymore, and we'll tell them to suck it up and deal with it. We're sorry you had to watch your buddies get blown up by a roadside bomb. We're sorry you had to watch some child bleed out and die in your arms. We just don't want to pay for the costs of treating your trauma.

Re:Expect more stories like this. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109999)

Boo hoo I signed up to be GI Joe and murder brown people now I feel guilty.

We need to teach those fuckers how to commit suicide and get their heavenly rewards.

GOD BLESS ARE TROOPS

Re:Expect more stories like this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110275)

Boo hoo I signed up to be GI Joe and murder brown people now I feel guilty.

We need to teach those fuckers how to commit suicide and get their heavenly rewards.

GOD BLESS ARE TROOPS

I have a hard time believing we can teach all the brown people to commit suicide.

Re:Expect more stories like this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110825)

How many stories? (4, Interesting)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110183)

The June 2010 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry published a study of 18,300 Army soldiers screened at 3 and 12 month intervals following deployment in Iraq. The study found that using “the least stringent definition” for PTSD, rates now range between 20 and 30 percent, and depression rates are at 11.5 and 16 percent.[2] Together this accounts for almost a third of our troops now suffering serious functional mental impairment. source [globalresearch.ca]

Re:Expect more stories like this. (1)

Scarred Intellect (1648867) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110261)

We took bright-eyed young people raised in an age of hope and peace and dropped them in to the middle of a secratarian human rights mess and forced them to watch the destruction of countless families and lives first hand.. And often by actions of their own hands.

No, we volunteered for it.

And a lot of troops did spend time overseas, but most of them weren't in infantry, nor were they in combat. I'm not sure how this country fails so miserably at taking care of a few (A few in this case being a small fraction of a percentage of the entire population).

Re:Expect more stories like this. (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110491)

Cry me a river, Anon Coward, the people knew what the game was when they signed up (and continue to sign up). They are volunteers and as such bare a large part of the responsibility for both their actions and the outcome / result of military service. I'm sorry if the reality isn't as glorified as you would like, but these people who have exercised their free-will, need to suck it up. Perhaps they should not reenlist when their 4 or 6 years is up? Funny, many re-up and keep going back for more.

"We" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110661)

I take issue with your use of "we" to describe the actions and decisions of those in power. By the simple laws of human nature, I refuse to take responsibility for the actions of anybody but myself. At the same time, I take absolute responsibility for my own actions -- as government should as well. Don't give them the benefit of the doubt. I was coerced into funding these actions, rather than persuaded. I did NOT voluntarily choose for myself to fund government, and therefore, I bear absolutely no responsiblity for what government does with the money they take from me.

Before you say "social contract", I will casually point out that coercion and voluntary association are polar opposites. A man cannot volunteer to be subject to coercion (as the age-old theory goes), any more than he can coerce another man into volunteering. The two modes of human interaction are mutually exclusive -- that is, in fact, what gives them meaning.

Forced medication (2, Insightful)

operagost (62405) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109867)

Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication? Clearly, these people are a danger to society.

Re:Forced medication (3, Informative)

DL117 (2138600) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110079)

Because vaccinations that prevent deadly disease with almost no side effects are very different than psychoactive drugs.

Re:Forced medication (1)

roccomaglio (520780) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110567)

There is a database of adverse reactions at http://www.medalerts.org/ [medalerts.org] . In 2011, there were 30591 adverse reactions reported. There were 312 deaths reported for the same time period. These reports are made by doctors only. I would not necessarily call that no side effects.

Re:Forced medication (1, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110629)

This is my body.
That means I have the right to abort if I get pregnant.

This is my body.
That means I have the right to drink until I pass out.

This is my body.
This means I have the right to have sex with my girl or my best guy. Or even in a swingers party.

This is my body.
This means I have the right to choose where I work and trade my body's labor for money.

This is my body.
This means I have the right to be free, and not a serf (unpaid work).

This is my body.
This means I have the right to smoke. Or not.

This is my body.
This means I have the right to vaccinate. Or not.

Democrats/liberals who can't understand this chain of statements Fail at basic rudimentary logic. They scream "My body, my vagina, my right!" over and over and then turn-round and try to dictate how I use MY body as if my body belongs to Them instead of me. (Forced purchase of hospital insurance; forced vaccinations; et cetera.) Logic fail. Inconsistent.

This is why even though I agree with the Democrats on many issues, I refuse to join their party. I will remain libertarian since their party view is not perfect, but at least it's consistent. (Your body, your choice in ALL areas of life.)

Re:Forced medication (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110111)

I thought the US has forced medication programs for certain depraved sexual deviants (chemical castration) and the likes?

Re:Forced medication (1)

RKThoadan (89437) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110133)

Actually, it's not remotely clear that "these people" are a danger to society. Some of them might be, and in that situation medication or incarceration are options, and if a person prefers incarceration to medication I'll respect their preference.

Re:Forced medication (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110229)

Clearly, these people are a danger to society.

What people? What danger? Clearly, you have no idea what "clearly" means. If you mean the mentally ill, you are incorrect. The same percentage of the general population is violent, 1%.

Re:Forced medication (1)

MrLizard (95131) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110235)

Because there's no difference between protecting a child from the stupidity of their parents, when they are incapable of making the decision for themselves, and altering someone's mind because the government doesn't like what they're thinking, when they haven't committed a crime or been shown to be in the process of actively planning to commit a crime in the near future.

(I have to wonder, though, if there's a way to contain the harm morons do to their children without forced vaccinations. I dislike forced anything, on principle, and the use of force to prevent harm to others should be the last resort. I'm thinking we start with a "No Vaccination" list, like a sex offender list. This at least informs parents, so they can keep their kids away from the children of morons. Businesses should not be forced to deny entrance to unvaccinated children, but they could be required to publicly post a policy stating if they do or do not. This would be especially applicable to restaurants, movie theaters, or any other business where large numbers of children congregate. Most non-moron parents will not patronize businesses that choose to allow unvaccinated children entrance, and the free market does the rest. Of course, this requires some kind of "proof of vaccination" card you can show, but that's relatively trivial. A final option is to require, as part of getting an exemption from vaccination, the purchase of insurance that will pay for the medical care of vaccinated children who nonetheless contract a disease they have been vaccinated against (vaccines aren't perfect, and the more unvaccinated kids are around, the better the odds of a germ slipping past the defenses). The actual mechanics of this will have to worked out based on the number of unvaccinated kids nearby, etc. I leave such matters to the bean counters.)

Some may note this plan is harsh on the kids. Yes. There's this thing called "evolution". If a trait possessed by a parent causes their offspring to be less likely to survive to breeding age, or reduces their ability to breed even if they live, it will be slowly but surely edited from the gene pool. "Bad parenting" is one such trait. Even if the children of morons don't catch anything fatal, they will be psychologically harmed by a childhood of being shunned, and this will reduce their chances of proper socialization, mating, and reproducing. It's cruel, but the long-term effects inflict much greater cruelty on a much larger group of people. There is a right, I think, to raise your children as you see fit; there's no right to be protected from the social consequences of your decisions. It is very likely that the prospect of a child being marked and shunned will, oddly, be more likely to convince a parent to do the smart thing than any amount of scientific evidence, since it's obvious that parents who deny vaccination do not think rationally, but emotionally. Therefore, appeal to their emotions.

Re:Forced medication (1)

nickberry (1226494) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110349)

Some people actually cannot take vaccinations, there is not a vaccination on this planet that does not make me ill, and my daughter ill. So guess what we're not vaccinated, we're still alive, and both of us survived chicken pox, mumps, and measles. This societal belief that a shot or a pill will fix the world is slowly going to turn around and bite everyone in the ass. And this persons Constitutional rights were not just violated, but trampled all over. Who cares if you believe in a conspiracy theory that Barney the purple dinosaur and friends were involved in the 9/11 tragedy. We have rights guaranteeing such idiocy.

Re:Forced medication (1)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110867)

Most Slashdotters are for mandatory vaccinations, so why would you ever be against forced medication?

I would be against forced vaccinations, if it was done on a daily basis and required forced indefinite daily detention to make it happen.

In the case of Lindauer, the case was actually preposterous. If you really believed, as the government did, that the woman psychic was paranoid and had delusions of grandeur ever since the age of seven years old. And if you didn't know, as the government didn't seem to know, what exactly she did for Iraq -- except for getting paid by them. Then, moving the case forward was all just nonsense anyway.

In any case, I am against forced medication, but not in all cases.

Clearly, these people are a danger to society.

It depends. Was Lindauer a danger to society? I don't know.

What about this guy? I don't know either. It sounds to me like he was just mouthing off privately. If he had really taken action to prepare for their assassinations, then we would have heard something about it by now.

Also, he was only privately threatening Generals, it's not like he was threatening to blow up school children, or go into a random movie theater and start shooting. And he may be a well-trained killer, but the Generals are well-trained killers and they're protected by well-trained killers as well, so those different scenarios are not exactly equivalent.

That's "Former Marine" please (5, Informative)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 2 years ago | (#41109893)

not ex-Marine

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41109993)

ex means former

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110085)

ex means former

Careful, he's sensitive.

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (1, Redundant)

j00r0m4nc3r (959816) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110129)

once a marine, always a marine

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (3, Informative)

dywolf (2673597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110231)

Ex- means "no longer". You are only "no longer a Marine" if formally stripped of the title, and there's even debate about that.

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110431)

Ex- means "no longer". You are only "no longer a Marine" if formally stripped of the title, and there's even debate about that.

Former is not suitable either then.

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (1)

JeffAtl (1737988) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110735)

The military tends to have very specific meanings assigned to synonyms and they can vary by branch.. Terms like ship/boat, soldier/marine, engine/motor, gun/firearm, ex/former, etc all have very specific meanings in the military that may conflict with civilian usage.

Re:That's "Former Marine" please (1)

cultiv8 (1660093) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110247)

Mod up, he was a decorated marine and was not dishonorably discharged.

Subby summary is word salad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110045)

Subby summary is word salad.

High school journalism, again (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110285)

"Personally, I find myself wondering..."

What the heck, Slashdot? I can understand people submitting sensational posts, but you can EDIT them if you want to.

Re:High school journalism, again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110357)

No usually they just strip off the name put theirs on it and slap a smidge of formatting on it.

Sounds Familiar (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 2 years ago | (#41110299)

"...a civil war, the Revolution is coming."

This is exactly what Texas Republican Tom Head said recently, though with the added twist of UN troops invading Lobbock. Will he be picked up as well?

Semper Fidelis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110329)

Most marines are a six pack of bud lite away from bum loving their fellow devil dogs.
Fact

Also targeting "black clothing, paint, sticks, (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110405)

flags, computers and cell phones, and "anti-government or anarchist literature."

That is, if you're with the occupy movement.

Political Convictions?
Federal Prosecutors in Seattle Are Dragging Activists into Grand Juries, Citing Their Social Circles and Anarchist Reading Materials
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/political-convictions/Content?oid=14397498

Soviet style shrink-ology (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110511)

This certainly sounds like the Soviet's 1984 approach:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

Forced medication is routine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41110817)

Forced medication is, for better or (my belief) for worse, routinely used on just about everyone, not just on this person. Once you're committed - an act for which the due process is only several weeks after-the-fact - you have no right to refuse medication. Total myth that you ever did.

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