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Iran Universities To Ban Women From 77 Fields of Study

Soulskill posted more than 2 years ago | from the a-university-of-their-own dept.

Education 585

New submitter jasper160 writes "An August 20th, 2012 announcement from Iran places restrictions on female university students. Iran will be cutting 77 fields of study from the female curriculum, making them male-only fields. Science and engineering are among those affected by the decree. 'The Oil Industry University, which has several campuses across the country, says it will no longer accept female students at all, citing a lack of employer demand. Isfahan University provided a similar rationale for excluding women from its mining engineering degree, claiming 98% of female graduates ended up jobless.' The announcement came soon after the release of statistics showing that women were graduating in far higher numbers than men from Iranian universities and were scoring overall better than men, especially in the sciences. Senior clerics in Iran's theocratic regime have become concerned about the social side-effects of rising educational standards among women." Iranian Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Shirin Ebadi wrote to the UN that this effort is "part of the recent policy of the Islamic Republic, which tries to return women to the private domain inside the home as it cannot tolerate their passionate presence in the public arena,"

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Is it too late to get UN sanctions on them? (3, Funny)

BMOC (2478408) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113231)

I'm sure if the world scorns them strongly enough on this they'll come around on human rights issues.

/is sarcasm dead? ok I'll turn out the lights.

Re:Is it too late to get UN sanctions on them? (4, Insightful)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113431)

It is hard enough to believe Iran had made enough forward progress to take such a large step backwards.

Re:Is it too late to get UN sanctions on them? (5, Funny)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113549)

How the conversation went:
Did you see the latest statistics about how women are better than men?
Yes, I am concerned, because if they are better they will get the better jobs, have more power, and start making us their bitch
I agree, I am scared of women too.
I know, lets make it so they will never succeed!
Brilliant!

Re:Is it too late to get UN sanctions on them? (1, Insightful)

Mojo_Death (2246260) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113581)

It's a bit like a labor union. Artificially restrict supply to create the illusion that demand is driving the market higher. It's a bit like a free economy. When there is a glut in the market, stop producing so much to maximize profit. Oh, I know these are "people". But ultimately, "people" are just a commodity. I'm in Human Resources. They don't call it "human relations" for a reason.

Re:Is it too late to get UN sanctions on them? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113675)

Well, I'm an American and if it's one thing the government has promised me, it's this: raining wanton cruise missile death down on men, women and children will definitely fix the problem and make them agree with us.

Bringing down the girls! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113237)

Apparently lowering women to the level men want them to be is easier than raising men to the level of the women.

Re:Bringing down the girls! (5, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113335)

Nah...they just have the luxury of seeing how things in the west have gone down hill ever since women got the vote....

They're just trying to head things off there.

:)

jk

Re:Bringing down the girls! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113473)

No shit. Democracy is a gateway to tyranny. USA wasn't built as a democracy, most people weren't supposed to vote. When that changed is when the things started with that downhill motion.

Re:Bringing down the girls! (4, Insightful)

PickyH3D (680158) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113481)

I like how there's two jokes in there: the obvious sexist one, and the one where Iranian's votes actually count regardless of gender.

This is what you get... (5, Insightful)

FreekyGeek (19819) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113241)

This is what you get when you base your life on what you imagine your invisble friend in the sky wants you to do.

Re:This is what you get... (1, Insightful)

dywolf (2673597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113303)

That's a pretty broad brush you're using there.

Re:This is what you get... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113339)

Not really. Anyone irrational to believe in invisible men in the sky are prone to be irrational in other aspects of their lives.

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113387)

You sound like a machine

Re:This is what you get... (5, Funny)

alphatel (1450715) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113393)

Spaghetti monster says I think not!
R'amen

Re:This is what you get... (0)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113623)

Not really. Anyone irrational to believe in invisible men in the sky are prone to be irrational in other aspects of their lives.

Which is why Italy is such an awful place to live, right?

Equating Christianity with theocratic Islam is simply intellectually dishonest.

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113343)

It gets the angry atheist votes, he's already at +5 Insightful.

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113665)

We're not angry. We vacillate between pity and laughing at you though. Magic fairies, sheesh... <smh>

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113367)

Can you name an invisible friend in the sky that hasn't tried this very thing at some point in it's history?

Re:This is what you get... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113509)

FSM, not yet anyway.

Ramen

Re:This is what you get... (3, Funny)

boristdog (133725) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113435)

Heh "broad" brush.

Re:This is what you get... (3, Insightful)

mr1911 (1942298) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113475)

That's a pretty broad brush you're using there.

Sometimes a broad brush is the best tool for the job.

Balance (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113609)

Sometimes a broad brush is the best tool for the job.

And sometimes, the narrower the mind the broader the brush.

The Jewish community encourages women to learn and work. So does the Christian community. Or Hindus. Or Buddhists.

So why again is the broad brush you are using the "best tool for the job" when it covers so many so unfairly?

Re:Balance (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113695)

The Christian community then does not include the Convservative/Fundamentalist sects that do the exact opposite?

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113499)

You have it backwards. This is not caused by religion -- the religion is built with these rules by those who want control others.

Re:This is what you get... (1)

fredprado (2569351) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113613)

But it is a very efficient way to accomplish this feat, unfortunately.

Re:This is what you get... (5, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113527)

This is what you get when you base your life on what you imagine your invisble friend in the sky wants you to do.

No. This is what you get when you have a religion that hasn't had a reformation, and believe that their religion is "true and untainted" and anyone who changes it should be put to death over it. Remember, Christianity and Judaism have both had such. In turn, after the reformations 400+ years ago, the world became a better place especially after the big push of the enlightenment period.

No reformation, no enlightenment period. Religion was still an important part of everything in the day-to-day workings of the people in the enlightenment period. Perhaps even more so than it was before. It was the ability to question, argue, dissent that changed everything.

Re:This is what you get... (2, Insightful)

tolkienfan (892463) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113627)

Oh there are plenty of Jews and Christians that want the same thing for the US.

Re:This is what you get... (1)

fredprado (2569351) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113639)

Yes, reformed religions are more akin with the rules in modern societies, and less bad than traditional ones. That is still a low bar to use, though.

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113683)

Actually, you're ignoring the fact that this "reformation" you speak of was not the first reformation. Previously, it was already changed from the original. Christianity from the New Testament clearly is a religion of love and peace. No where does Jesus promote killing of non-believers, or anything like it, but quite the opposite. If anything, your reformation was really a restoration. In other words, the religion of Iran has not be restored.

Wait, what? (2)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113575)

Sounds like something a bunch of stoners might say... oh wait, what?

Broad brush (1)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113593)

This is what you get when you base your life on what you imagine your invisble friend in the sky wants you to do.

It is mind-blowing to blame Christians for what Muslims do.

With a brush of the same breadth, I can point to the 100,000,000 deaths caused by Marxism and say "this is what you get when you don't believe in God"

If you want to know what Christians actually believe, you should hear them.

www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/ratzinger2.html [lewrockwell.com]

The link above does not deal with female education, but it deals with totalitarian theocracy, which is one of the underlying problems in Iran.

Re:Broad brush (2)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113679)

It's interesting that the text was written by a person who is now the ruler of a totalitarian theocracy.

Re:This is what you get... (2, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113649)

This is what you get when you base your life on what you imagine your invisble friend in the sky wants you to do.

Not always bad: My personal deity told me to drink, bang hookers, hack in Lisp, and troll on slashdot.

Re:This is what you get... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113725)

This is what you get when you base your life on what you imagine your invisble friend in the sky wants you to do.

Listen to the Marxist-Leninist Slashdot troll! Only he knows the unknowable!!

This is going to cause internal problems (5, Insightful)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113251)

The Iranian people are historically a fairly progressive bunch. Cutting off women who have become wage earners, those on their way, and the modernization of that country is going to seriously piss of the population. I see another revolution in their very near future.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113373)

not only that, something like 60% is under 30

war (5, Interesting)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113401)

Well then, the US government better hurry up then with its plans to invade Iran, because, god forbid, it may become a democracy. Again. The US and UK can't stand that. [wikipedia.org]

Re:war (1)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113733)

I know the history here, and some how the current situation screams to be that the US would rather have a democratic Iran. I can't speak for the future, but things would be much better for everyone that way now.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (1, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113451)

I see another revolution in their very near future.

Yes, most likely paid with US tax dollars.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (3, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113503)

The Iranian people would like to do this on their own, they do not want US intervention and they would fight US intervention.

The US can apply external pressure, but it would be detrimental if they applied internal pressure.

Goodbye then (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113653)

The Iranian people would like to do this on their own, they do not want US intervention and they would fight US intervention.

Really? Because I recall a lot of Iranians BEGGING for the U.S. to at least express support during the green revolution. None being forthcoming (hardly even a note of acknowledgement) the revolution was brutally crushed.

Now just how do you see the avoidance of brutal crushing in any future rebellion with zero outsside help?

You and others may not like it but the only way to to overthrow a truly tyrannical regime is through violence. The Iranian people alone cannot succeed without help.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (2)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113667)

From the bottom of my heart I wish I could argue the opposing side of this comment. Unfortunately, this to has too much history to count against.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113453)

"women who have become wage earners"

Did you even read the article? Employers don't hire women in Iran, which is closer to the root of the problem. Barring them from school is just applied economics.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113501)

This looks like another example of what happens when the general populace is considerably more progressive than the ruling elite. If I had "grand" in my title in Iran, I would be scared shitless about the populace getting fed up with your bullshit and overthrowing you and your friends.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (1)

DontLickJesus (1141027) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113709)

Except for "Grands" biscuits. These are undoubtedly some of the best biscuits on Earth. And I welcome our pillowy doughboy overlord.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113689)

The Iranian people are historically a fairly progressive bunch.

The German people are historically a fairly productive bunch, but the former communist East Germany economy was a total road-wreck. That's how bad communism was, if you take a nation full of Germans, and make a poor country out of it.

I'm equally confident in Iran's theocracy of doing the same to the Iranians.

Re:This is going to cause internal problems (1)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113705)

The Iranian people are historically a fairly progressive bunch. Cutting off women who have become wage earners, those on their way, and the modernization of that country is going to seriously piss of the population. I see another revolution in their very near future.

Let's hope so. The "Arab Spring" has, so far, made things worse. Secular dictators who made life bearable for religious minorities were replaced by the "tyranny of the majority", which is Muslim, and Christians/Jews are now getting a _very_ raw deal.

But Iran is already a constitutionally theocratic Islamist dictatorship, so it can't get worse. A revolution there would probably be a very good thing.

education policy change (0)

harvey the nerd (582806) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113263)

Too much education means bad attitude for degrading sex and jobs, much less extra kids for clearing minefields.

Dark ages (4, Insightful)

codepigeon (1202896) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113271)

My opinion might come from living in a "western" country, but I just don't get why some countries seem to want to stay in the dark ages.

Are they oblivious to the fact that their region as once the "mecca" of science and math?...and maybe could be again if they tried?

Re:Dark ages (5, Insightful)

negativeduck (2510256) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113301)

Because stupid people historically have been easier to control. It helps you to maintain your power.

Re:Dark ages (5, Interesting)

Burning1 (204959) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113371)

Not sure which western country you're coming from, but we see a lot of that here in the US as well. There is a strong call to turn back 300 years of progress and make religion a guiding force in our government and educational systems.

Re:Dark ages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113579)

Not sure which western country you're coming from, but we see a lot of that here in the US as well. There is a strong call to turn back 300 years of progress and make religion a guiding force in our government and educational systems.

Not sure which US you're coming from, but if any any United States University tried to restrict women from even ONE CLASS, they would be in for a major shit storm. It could be a class on "How to play with your penis 101" and you still couldn't restrict it to just men.

Re:Dark ages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113483)

I just don't get why some countries seem to want to stay in the dark ages.

in one word: Islam.

Re:Dark ages (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113559)

Yes, although Evangelicalism seeks the same ignorance

Re:Dark ages (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113543)

I read a book that talked about the relationship between Islam and science. Specifically this book had to do with Sunni Islam, and yes, I know Iran is a Shiite country, but no one so far has been able to explain to me whether and how the two sects differ on this point.

There are some very fundamental problems with cause and effect in Islam. Because Allah's will is all powerful the logical conclusion is that there is no cause and effect because Allah creates and destroys the universe each second according to his will. Therefore patterns, or cause and effect, are simply the habits of Allah and are subject to change.

A ball flies through the air because Allah wills it to be so.

So, this presents problems for scientific thinking and is why though they were once world leaders in science and math this was eventually stifled and whithered away.

Re:Dark ages (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113585)

I just don't get why some countries seem to want to stay in the dark ages.

Darwin, my friend:

Because when the next Big Meteor hits and puts the entire planet into a dark-age, they'll be better prepared due to experience already being there, and survive to pass on the "Dark Age Liker" gene to future generations.

Re:Dark ages (1, Troll)

muon-catalyzed (2483394) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113651)

Never forget the Church's greatest achievement [wordpress.com] .

Jobless (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113275)

98% of them might be jobless in Iran, but elsewhere in the world, an education is worth something, regardless of whether you dangle or not. Perhaps what Iran is really saying is "We have too many women in our country, and because we do not wish to reproduce, we would like to offer them to your country."

So, what's your country doing to get these women out of Iran and into a productive job near you?

Lysistrata (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113293)

The ancient play Lysistrata [wikipedia.org] has an answer to this problem. I couldn't think of a more deserving bunch of fellows to end up on the losing end of such a strategy.

Re:Lysistrata (1)

Antipater (2053064) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113439)

Sorry, but reading that play isn't allowed anymore. It's been shown that 98% of people who do so end up jobless!

Re:Lysistrata (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113467)

That trick only works when women have the right to say no.

Science teams are better when ... (5, Insightful)

adlib24 (739952) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113295)

I have worked in both a female dominated field (child psychology) and a male dominated field (software engineering). Teams are always better with a touch of gender balance. Every single time.

Re:Science teams are better when ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113459)

I work in a gender-balanced field (electronic manufacturing and repair) and I do agree that balanced teams are always better, because it's much easier to get pussy. Lots and lots of Asian pussy, with a few Latinas thrown into the mix. Those women know how to fuck!

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Science teams are better when ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113637)

Funny, now that you mention it marriages are the same way!

This Is A Direct Result Of... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113307)

Zionist expansion.

American Imperialism.

Make me a sandwich.

Oddly logically consistent... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113309)

I find it interesting that the primary reason cited is that women can't jet jobs in the industry, so there is no point sending them through school.

Contrast this to India, where many/most women have been going to school for years, but for traditional/cultural reasons, end up as home makers, and very seldom take long-term careers.

I'm not defending either culture, but at least Iran is being honest about it's sexist traditions. India - not so much.

Re:Oddly logically consistent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113511)

Having dated an Indian girl for a few months, I did not have that impression. Her mother was an engineer in India, and plenty of her friends were post-graduating in a variety of fields. Some did choose to stay home when they married, which is unfortunate, but not as bad as being denied the choice earlier on...

I'm glad my daughters don't live in Iran (4, Insightful)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113333)

I have 2 daughters. While the USA still has a long way to go towards full gender equality, I'm grateful that fate has me raising them here in the USA rather than in Iran.

Ultimately this will backfire on the insecure men who rule Iran. They are afraid of empowering women but countries that do will run circles around them.

OK two more things... (1)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113641)

1) Just about anywhere is better than Iran for women I would guess. The list is long there, the USA is hardly failing in that regard.

2) Cause VS Cauality: Not to rain on your gender parade, but I doubt women being empowered has all that much to do with runing circles around other countries. If you like you could look at various variables, like the when the women got to vote VS relitive economic prowess for various couuntries, etc... but I am not sure the outcome would even tell you all that much. Sounds like a great idea for a thesis or book however!

77 fields of study (4, Funny)

byteherder (722785) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113341)

When I went to university we didn't even have 77 fields of study.

Now, you kids get off my lawn.

Re:77 fields of study (2)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113735)

When I went to university we didn't even have 77 fields of study.

They only had these:

1. Walking to college barefoot 101
2. Wood Widdling 101
3. Blacksmithing 101
4. Farming 101
5. Alchemy 101 (bring your own fire wagon & hose)

Actually, the number of subjects closely corresponds to the number of virgins you get if you explode near infidels. Virgin inflation.

Turn Tables (3, Interesting)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113377)

I say that for one decade, you place the same restrictions on men that you have on women, and allow women to have the rights of men.

That'll learn 'em.

Democracy in action (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113381)

Hard to fault a system that runs on "majority rule". If that's what the People want then that's what they get. Maybe the Iranian women should do like the U.S. women and protest for the right to vote. (Of course Democrat President Wilson responded by throwing them in prison. So much for free speech.)

I often hear "If you don't like the U.S. then leave" spatted at me. How difficult would it be for Iranian women to leave? Of course nobody really wants to leave their home, so the solution is pretty much DOA.

Re:Democracy in action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113449)

What democracy? In Iran, all candidates for office need to be pre-approved by a cabal of religious leaders led by Khameni, or you don't get on the ballot.

Re:Democracy in action (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113699)

In the USA all candidates for office need to be pre-approved by corporate masters or you don't get on the ballot. Or if you do get on the ballot, they won't let you in the debates. And if you have your own events, even if they draw over 10,000 attendees they won't even mention you in the news.

So yeah, it's about as accurate to say that Iran has a democracy as it is to say that the USA has a democracy.

Before you think of the bad, there may be good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113409)

I'm not sure where I stand on the issue, but the obvious American response (I am American) would be how terrible this is as it's keeping women down. That part has a lot of truth, and if my daughter was hellbent on being whatever career, it would be hard for me to tolerate a place that made that impossible for her.

But the flip side is that if women stay more "private" and at home, kids and families benefit. American physical and mental health has been getting worse and worse as both parents usually work and start eating crap. Now everybody is obese. Everybody is busy and stressed so they spend less quality time with the rest of the family. Kids start hanging out with bad kids. Divorce is still 50% last time I checked. Stress disorders abound.

So there has to be some kind of balance to be had. I think America is way too far to one side, while the middle east is often to far to the other. But too much work is just bad. The only benefit the family sees is short term monetary gain, but soon enough the economy catches up and prices rise so that if both parents dont work then you can't afford the stuff that 1 parent working families could afford a generation before.

Re:Before you think of the bad, there may be good (2)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113589)

But the flip side is that if women stay more "private" and at home, kids and families benefit. American physical and mental health has been getting worse and worse as both parents usually work and start eating crap. Now everybody is obese. Everybody is busy and stressed so they spend less quality time with the rest of the family. Kids start hanging out with bad kids. Divorce is still 50% last time I checked. Stress disorders abound.

Yes, but why do women have to be the ones to stay home? Aside from the first 6 months or so of nurturing, any household task that can be handled by a woman could be handled by a man. Having some kind of work/life balance is good. Dumping all those responsibilities on an individual just because of their gender or some historical notion of roles is unjust.

Re:Before you think of the bad, there may be good (5, Insightful)

Jeng (926980) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113657)

There is nothing in what you said that should prevent women from getting an education.

Just because they get an education, that doesn't mean that they are required to get a job. An education is good even for people who do jobs that don't require one. Education introduces us to different ways of solving problems and different ways of thinking creating a more well rounded person.

Re:Before you think of the bad, there may be good (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113715)

What a fucking troll.

In Other News... (1, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113443)

Cultures that are more passive-aggressive about their misogyny totally get away with it.

Exempli gratia, the gender pay gap [wikipedia.org] that we see in "civilized," western societies.

Hey Iran, stop copying (0, Flamebait)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113457)

I believe Romney has that process patented already.

Oh, I'll write a stern letter to the UN about that (0)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113461)

This is the same UN that seats Iran on Human Rights organizations to pronounce judgements on free countries. That sees nothing hilarious about appointing Iran to their Commission on Women's Rights. This is the organization this Nobel Laureate turns to for help? Does this poor fool not understand what the U.N. is?

The United Nations was created as a Parliment of Tyrants; by, of and for the unfree hellholes of the world to use as their plaything and propaganda tool. And to siphon as much money out of the 1st world as possible of course by laying on the social justice pity party bull crap heavy and thick. Think about it. When it was created the vast majority of the world's nation states were unfree hellholes, most with a single dicator for life in charge. The people who designed it knew that to be so and explicitly made it one nation state one vote with no counterbalance, no minimum standard of human rights or political freedom to receive full voting rights, no nothing. So the only conclusion to draw from that is the current disfunctional body we see is what they planned on creating. We should then ask some pointed questions:

1. Why? Why did they do what they did. What were their goals? We they simply incompetent on that epic a scale? Doubtful.

2. What now? Is there any point to remaining in the U.N.? Is there any possibility of reform? Really; considering the majority of votes in the General Assembly are still wielded by tyrants and the Security Council is, due to unfree hellholes having a veto, incapable of meaningful action of any kind?

3. What different organizational structure could provide a more useful forum for International cooperation?

Perhaps if this lady were to use the media access granted by her Nobel Prize to instead call for fixing the U.N. we might have a body with the political will to put political pressure on unfree hellholes around the world. But asking the current U.N. to act against it's majority is unlikely to be productive.

Islam continues its decline into radicalism (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113471)

Of course, anyone pointing out in the West that the religion (and region) is becoming increasingly radicalized has committed the ultimate sin of political incorrectness. We must pretend that all Muslims are peace-loving, reasonable, people who just love and respect women. The idea that the medieval, violent, and intolerant strain of the religion is becoming more and more mainstream in the Middle East and Asia every day MUST NOT be spoken of publicly.

Re:Islam continues its decline into radicalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113629)

Sure, just take out the word "the" before the word "religion" there.

Or are we supposed to pretend that we don't have radicalized fundies in elected office here in America saying things like "it's not really rape if she got pregnant!"

We need to clean up our own house before we end up like Iran and other similar regressive shitholes.

Even Republicans should realize this. The American Republican party is basically a core of wealthy Randians duping a mass of "low information voter" radical religionists into voting for them. Problem: they're starting to take over the party, and really they don't actually care about the economic line you've been pushing. They're gonna eventually realize that it's the same one that LaVey was using, and the whole plan is gonna backfire.

Re:Islam continues its decline into radicalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113647)

Shhh... you're breaking the first rule!

I'm Starting to understand things more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113507)

I know that this comment comes from the perspective of the USA, but I am starting to understand why the Iranian elite are called the REPUBLICAN Guard.

OK two points! (0)

DarthVain (724186) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113517)

1) Want to make me mad? Announce 77 of fucking something then not detail what those 77 things are! Argh!

2) Provided that "Statician" isn't one ofthose 77 listed, I think that is where I would go if I was a women. Then just tell the guys some made up BS, know they won't know the difference, and volia 77 courses now open to women again.

Of course, "Lyin' about statistics.... that's a stonin'" so maybe not.

fish speakers (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113533)

1) offer asylum to any women from Muslim countries that oppress women

2) put them up at the Farm

3) give a crash course training them in strategy, tactics, self-defense, hand-to-hand, ordnance and weapons... paramilitary and MacGyver stuff.

4) offer incentives for them to return to said oppressive Muslim countries– say, if they try to overthrow the regime, promise air and defensive support, weapons and billions of dollars in aid for rebuilding if they successful.

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.

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*) Reduce domestic defensive spending, cut back on military presence in Middle East

*+1) PROFIT!!!

Is this about the Iranians or the Republicans? (3, Funny)

grandpa-geek (981017) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113555)

I didn't recognize Todd Akin as being an Iranian name, but the nature of the thinking seems about the same.

American Hypocrisy (0)

detritus. (46421) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113597)

Yet, why don't we allow women to get Football scholarships or serve on the front lines of combat as we do men? Do we pay women the same rates as men for the same jobs and education? Why do racial minorities get preference for college? Why aren't women equal in the factories doing hard labor, except when we needed them in World War II?

It's no secret Iran is behind us in social evolution, as they are in many areas. That doesn't mean the people don't have the will or desire to change. The idiots who demand we put sanctions on them should look right in the mirror.

Not opressive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113599)

NO, Islams not opressive towards women.

Good old fundamentalism! (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113603)

Insha'Allah! (/sarc) Seriously, considering how rabidly anti-gay Iran's mullahs are, they sure seem to love a good ole' sausage fest; perhaps they ought to find closets to hide in that haven't been built with transparent materials (someone should introduce them to the Bible Belt preacher-types out here; they have far more in common than they probably realize)...

Iran had a secular democracy (5, Insightful)

br00tus (528477) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113621)

Iran had a secular democracy back in 1953. The west, especially England and the US, and overthrew it with a dictatorship, much more ruthless than the present government.

As the left was the great fear, the dictatorship jailed, (effectively) exiled and killed the left. When the people overthrew the foreign-backed government, the only power left in the country were the mullahs, and bazaar shop keepers, and that is who is in control now.

Harvard only began admitting women in 1999, although the first openings of that were in the 1960s. It's amusing to see westerners, who were just invading Iraq and torturing and forcing Abu Ghraib detainees to masturbate on camera, are now all sanctimonious about how Iranian universities are preparing classes. Iran is a paradise of academic freedom for women compared to US ally Saudi Arabia, why don't we hear about that? And why all the concern about women's studies in Iran, something Americans can do nothing about because the US doesn't even have diplomatic relations with Iran, at the same time the US is stepping up pressure on Iran on other fronts? The US is who overthrew Iran's secular democracy in 1953, then the CIA worked with the Savak to wipe out the left. Now they complain the mullahs have too much control over the universities. No Slashdot headlines about women's education in Saudi Arabia. Women can't even drive in Saudi Arabia, where's the noise about that? As there is none, it's clear this is just more propaganda as the war drums are being beaten. As smug, hypocritical, imperialist westerners stick their fingers into the Middle East, torture their people in prisons like Abu Ghraib, kill off and take over new land in the West Bank with US funds - you can be sure the inevitable 9/11s will come in response, as some people will always resist imperialism and foreign tyranny.

fuck iran (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113659)

Put a wall up around these backwards bastards. Or better yet... a huge plexiglass dome so they can't fly out, either. These people are stinking up the entire world.

Will not last, ladies temper male political egos. (1)

109 97 116 116 (191581) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113671)

Historically it's ladies who temper the male political ego, eventually moderating the propensity to go to war and to fight.

I don't see this lasting long in the days of social media, having such a large young population in Iran.

Acts like this will energize the Iranian women's population and I predict change will come soon.

queer timing.. (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113691)

Great way to win support from half the world's population while they have a potentially massive war brewing on their doorstep -- not to mention the pretty direct effects of self-imposing a handicap onto their own society in a time of need. What ever are they thinking? Hopefully it's been exaggerated.

We could use them. (4, Insightful)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113701)

I hear there's a shortage of engineers in the US. Maybe we should grant asylum to women seeking engineering degrees over here and kill two birds with one stone.

Thank God! (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41113713)

I've been really worried lately, what with all the tech and engineering outsourcing to so many other "third world" countries that have improved their education systems so much that they've surpassed the US, that I'm soon going to be lucky to make the same amount as a programmer in India or China. Every country that sets themselves back 50 or 100 years in this global economic race by eliminating half of their available productive technical workforce only improves my chances and makes it that much more likely that diesel-sucking semitrucks will still be delivering tons of beef grown in South America to my local Safeway in my old age. Thanks, Iran!

Legitimate oppression (4, Funny)

Known Nutter (988758) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113717)

As long as it is legitimate oppression. Because the woman's body has a way to just shut the whole thing down and deal with the oppression.

So they'll be fine. Everything will work out fine.

Obligatory Hindenburg Paraphrase (1)

Un pobre guey (593801) | more than 2 years ago | (#41113721)

Oh the moronity!
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