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Amazon, Apple Expected to Strut Their Small-Tablet Stuff Soon

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the 7-inches-is-plenty dept.

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After a few years of rumors and hints, All Things Digital says that a smaller iPad will debut in October. And Amazon may be trying to steal their thunder with a revamped Kindle tablet: Nerval's Lobster writes with a report at SlashCloud that "Amazon could be readying a new set of Kindle tablets for unveiling in early September. That's the widespread speculation following the online retailer's invitations to media for a Sept. 6 event in Santa Monica, Calif. Even by the coy standards of most tech companies' event invitations, Amazon's is notably bereft of detail. It will take place at 10:30 AM PST at Barker Hangar, a noted (and quite large) event space. But the timing of the event is auspicious: with Apple rumored to be unveiling a smaller iPad in the near future, and the holiday shopping season a few months away, early September could prove the ideal time for Amazon to whip back the curtain from a new tablet and dominate the media conversation, at least for a few days."

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the right price (1)

Jerry Smith (806480) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123829)

It would mean bridging the phone and the tablet. I hope it's available before mid October, since my wife's birthday. Yes, it'll come out in September, I read that, but availability is a different thing.

Re:the right price (3, Informative)

TwinkieStix (571736) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124071)

Phones and tablets currently cost roughly the same $200 - $700 depending on features. Cellular carriers hide this cost behind a subsidized contract when a 3g modem is included in either the tablet or the phone, but we are all still paying it. How much more can the price of the phone and the tablet be bridged?

Remind me again..... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41124199)

why I care?

FUCK YOU Apple

RIP Jobs

Re:the right price (2)

bluescrn (2120492) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124595)

Nexus 7 got the price right

Kindle Fire is irrelevant due to being US-only for so long.

Underwhelming Nexus (2)

aNonnyMouseCowered (2693969) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126443)

Sadly the better cheap tablets are manufactured by lesser known Chinese manufacturers. Compare the Nexus 7 to nearly similarly spec'd tablets by the virtually no-name Ainol. http://www.ainol-novo.com/buy-products.html [ainol-novo.com] The cheaper models, which should be less expensive than even the direct online price of the Nexus 7, don't have Bluetooth, but all models have the one thing missing from the Nexus 7, HDMI output. Comparable to the Nexus 7, except for the GPU, is the unimaginatively named Ainol Flame. http://www.ainol-novo.com/ainol-novo-7-flame-dual-core-1-5ghz-7-inch-1280-800-ips-screen-android-tablet.html [ainol-novo.com] The only thing to recommend the Nexus 7, compared to the cheaper Chinese tablets is the better English, not Engrish, of the manual and possibly the warranty. But I'm not sure, Google doesn't have Amazon's reputation as an online seller. Import duties are another matter, something that probably doesn't matter if you're living outside the US anyway.

Re:Underwhelming Nexus (1)

dark12222000 (1076451) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127331)

You clearly can't read spec sheets. Go read what the Nexus 7 specs actually are and then try again.

Re:Underwhelming Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41127339)

The Ainol looks interesting, but I'd put another benefit into Google's column: Android updates. The Nexus devices have some of the widest support for Android versions. Ainol isn't doing anything with the source -- they're just shipping what AMLogic gives them. And if you want access to the AMLogic Android source, you've got to request a password (http://openlinux.amlogic.com/index.php//2.Getting_the_Source_Code) Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!

Re:Underwhelming Nexus (1)

Meski (774546) | about a year and a half ago | (#41132443)

Why would you be caring about HDMI output from a tablet? I've got it on the Samsung 10.1 and haven't even considered using it, it certainly isn't a deal-breaker for the Nexus 7 (which I like better than the 10.1)

Re:the right price (1)

Phoghat (1288088) | about a year and a half ago | (#41131277)

Nexus 7 got the price right Kindle Fire is irrelevant due to being US-only for so long.

I'm in Mexico and can't buy a nexus 7 either

Re:the right price (1)

Meski (774546) | about a year and a half ago | (#41132459)

Pretend that you're in the USA and you can. Worked for me in Australia

Add a phone... (1)

pigiron (104729) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124599)

to a 7 inch wi-fi tablet and I'd buy one immediately. With bluetooth earphones/microphone I'd be all set.

Re:the right price (1)

DinDaddy (1168147) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126419)

The more credible rumors have the second ipad coming out in October at a separate event from the new phone. But probably with immediate availability, so maybe in time for your wife's birthday anyway.

Amazon steal Apple's thunder? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41123839)

You must be joking, right? Amazon's product is designed to compete with Google's product, and maybe, just maybe, get a few sales in before Apple. Once the iPad Air/mini/whatever is released, it's pretty much the #1 Christmas item.

Re:Amazon steal Apple's thunder? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41123951)

It's all about price. Amazon and Google will sell well, just as Converse does because it works and it's cheap. But that's not to say there are not plenty of people out there willing to fork over for a brand but still

and maybe, just maybe, get a few sales in before Apple.

is the height of absurdity.

This will be a game changer (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41123841)

What did the Mississippi sheriff say about the black man who was found shot 15 times?

Worst case of suicide he'd ever seen.

no clouds, no thunder (1, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123853)

You can't steal Apple's thunder. They could release the iTurd, a literal green three-coiled turd, with a USB port squished into it, and people would buy it. People aren't interested in the hardware when they buy Apple -- they're interested in the brand, the experience, the ability to tell all your friends you have the latest iThing. Look at the iPod for example; Even when the very first version was released, there were plenty of alternatives that beat it on cost, service, feature set, and form factor. People still bought the iPod en masse.

It's the same reason some people blanche when offered Pepsi instead of Coke, despite blind taste tests indicating most people couldn't tell the difference. Brand identity is a very, very, potent tool. And so there will be no thunder stealing; The Kindle could beat the next iThing in every category, sell at half-price, and come with a working "Give me an Orgasm" button and people would still buy Apple. It takes time, effort, and a lot of marketing dollars, to undermine brand identity. Also, as it turns out, many cubic miles of lawyers -- as Samsung has recently found out. Apple has the largest market capitalization of any company on the planet; It's Goliath... and unlike the biblical parable, a few rocks will not down this beast.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (4, Insightful)

tooyoung (853621) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123889)

Please excuse my friend. Like many technical people, he is under the impression that a spec sheet defines a product, rather than nuances of user experience.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124905)

A million times this ^. We are at the hardware plateau where user experience is king.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (1, Informative)

c++0xFF (1758032) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125375)

Correction: user perception is king.

However, most users are not qualified to speak about nuances of user experiences nor technical specifications. Most Slashdotters aren't qualified, honestly. Brand image plays a huge part of what a consumer perceives to be a good product.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (1)

horigath (649078) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127655)

However, most users are not qualified to speak about nuances of user experiences nor technical specifications.

They are perfectly qualified to speak about their own, personal, user experience. No one better.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41125099)

Or I could buy a $200 tablet like I did last year, a $200 tablet this year, and a $200 tablet next year and be using them as they get better and better than buying a $600 one that is obsolete next year.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41127089)

Still with this. Spec determine the product. Why else would apple say retina display all the time.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0)

narcc (412956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127961)

Let's not play pretend that Apple has somehow mastered the mythical "user experience". Even the iPod didn't have a UI that was in any way superior to alternatives on the market.

The iPod was running on Apples reputation for design, oddly enough, from the gum-drop-like iMac. Their well-executed "silhouette" ad campaign did the rest. All Apple did for digital music was make it "okay" -- bringing it out of the shadows in the wake of Napster. At the time, digital music was synonymous with Apple because consumers honestly didn't know that there were alternatives; let alone alternatives that were both less expensive and easier to use!

Had Creative, for example, had a similar marketing push, I doubt we'd even remember the iPod.

Even today, Apple's products are a nightmare of bad UI design. Well, to be fair, they've been a design nightmare for a while now, they're just worse than before. I can elaborate if it's not immediately obvious to you.

This nebulous "user experience" myth needs to die.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41123927)

Actually, they could tell the difference; they all said Pepsi tasted better.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (2)

firewrought (36952) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125407)

Actually, they could tell the difference; they all said Pepsi tasted better.

Parent was marked troll, but Pepsi actually did taste better to participants of the Pepsi Challenge marketing campaign, which was responsible for triggering the New Coke fiasco [wikipedia.org].

The "rest of the story" (as described by Malcom Gladwell in Blink) is that sip-testing (where participants just sip the two samples) gave misleading results: when enjoyed over longer periods of time, Pepsi's sweetness becomes cloying.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41123945)

Does the iTurd have rounded corners? If so, I probably owe Apple $1.05 billion.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124897)

If you served me Pepsi and called it Coke, I would spit it back at you. When properly served, they are completely different. Coke is 'spicy', Pepsi is 'sweet'. You assume too much.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41126609)

Coke has vanilla flavoring, Pepsi has citrus, at least that's my take. Easy enough to discern if you get past the HFCS

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41127553)

I thought it was the other way around. That's why Pepsi has citrus versions -- if you add any more citrus to Coke, it's going to taste like Pledge.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (1)

Truedat (2545458) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125147)

Wrong on two counts. Pepsi is horribly, sickly sweet to my taste buds - coke is clearly the superior beverage. Maybe you like that but either way there would have to be something wrong with you not to at least tell the difference.

As for shipping iturds, apple could get away with that shit exactly once. Never seems to occur to some people that a brand becomes respected because it's repeatedly associated with good products. Out of all the willful blind spots nurtured here on slashdot I find this one frankly... weird. Totally fucking moronic. Prove me wrong though by citing another brand that thrives despite shit products and customer contempt. And I don't mean one that makes money, I mean an iconic brand that attracts a lot of customer loyalty.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (1)

narcc (412956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127979)

Damn it, man, the Cola Wars are over. It's time to put the past behind us, pound our swords in to plow-shares, and rebuild.

The battles still seem just like yesterday, and we've still got a long road ahead. But you've got to leave the fight on the battle field. It has no place in this new world.

Re:no clouds, no thunder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41127007)

the ipod was released to tv advertising, subways papered with ads from one end to the other literally and it was just as good and eventually better.

apple does have a lot of brand power, their marketing and advertising are miles ahead of other pc and mobile makers but they also make pretty good products. i love my nexus 7, chrome on the n7 crushes safari in usability, performance, features etc but there are some things apple does that I wish Android would do like perfectly smooth, responsive scrolling without jitter

I'm not sure I get it (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123855)

Are they looking at the success of ebook readers and trying to jump on board? Pearl e-ink technology is why those took off, not the form factor. I could go for a slightly larger reader to be honest.

Re:I'm not sure I get it (2)

stephanruby (542433) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124747)

I'm not so sure about that, between my Samsung Tab 10.1 and my Nexus X -- I find myself using my Nexus X much more frequently. There is something to be said for that smaller form factor.

And no, except for reading mangas, I don't read much with it, I mostly play games, I use it as a remote control, or I watch Viki or CrunchyRoll with it. And I do switch to my Tab 10.1 for reading comic books/mangas occasionally, but that size of a tablet is a bear to hold in bed (even if it's supposedly lighter and thinner than the iPads).

Not gonna be an iPad (4, Interesting)

murphtall (1979734) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123887)

Ugh. It's gonna be the new ipod touch. Aka the new iPod. It's not gonna be a mini iPad. I wish people would get it right. I mean I know it's just an iName thing but i firmly believe this is the correct iName not iPad mini or minipad blech

Re:Not gonna be an iPad (1)

ATMAvatar (648864) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125839)

What's the difference?

The iPhone is just an iPod Touch that can make calls.

The iPad is just an iPod Touch that's bigger.

Re:Not gonna be an iPad (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126821)

The branding matters. It is intended as an upgrade for iPod Touch users, so that it does not eat into the sales of iPad. I believe Apple would expect people to own both an iPad and an iPod (7" one, not old generation one).

Re:Not gonna be an iPad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41127927)

The screen resolution is the key. If it will be 1024X768 and run apps targeted to the iPad screen size, it will be very stupid calling it a big iPod, don't you think?
If it will run iPad screen sized apps, will look like an iPad, act like an iPad and used like an iPad, it is an iPad. Just a smaller one.

The dirtiest PR trick apple can use is call the new smaller iPad: "iPad for kids" or "iPad edu" or something like that. It will sell like crazy and help brand the competition like Nexus 7 as a thing for children and not as a real competition to the real iPad.

Re:Not gonna be an iPad (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127993)

Perhaps it allows Apple to skirt round the otherwise embarassing comments they made previously about how no one would ever want a 7" tablet so they can hence claim "It's not a 7" tablet, it's a 7" media player with tablet features!" ?

Re:Not gonna be an iPad (1)

rjejr (921275) | about a year and a half ago | (#41128919)

I've been thinking "New" iPod Touch for awhile now for the following reasons: 1. Last years iPhone 4s update updated the iPod Touch to both black and white w/ a price drop, nothing new at all. So it's overdue. 2. $199 iPod Touch, $299 iPad Mini, $399 iPad 2, $499 New iPad - that's too many price points for basically the same thing. 3. iPad Mini would eat into iPad sales, New iPod Touch would eat into Kindle Fire and Nexus sales. 4. It keeps the "iPod" name relevant. Who talks about iPods anymore when everybody has smart phones or tablets that do the same thing? I know these have been mentioned above but I've been waiting for this device for awhile now hence all the forethought I've given it. My iPod Touch needs to be replaced.

Next Season of Court (5, Funny)

rhavan (1755044) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123923)

I can see it now: Amazon vs Apple, with Apple suing for taking their idea for a 7 inch tablet 2 years before Apple got around to making a midsize tablet. Just because they hadn't made it yest doesn't mean you haven't pre-infringed.

iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (3, Interesting)

lilfields (961485) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123939)

Since the iPad is just a very large iPod Touch, why even both wasting my time with an iPad Mini? This won't be the reaction of the masses of consumers that love Apple (for whatever reason, they actually aren't that great anymore,) but I think it's legit. When will Apple actually embrace the tablet medium as something wholly separate from their iPod and iPhone platforms? They can share a core, have apps that are similar or easier to convert, but when I use an iPad I feel like I'm using an iPhone/iPod with a magnifying glass. It just scales so terribly. The iPad is a success because all other tablets are awful, not really because it's something great. The more I experience the iPad, the more I wonder, "why is this still popular?"

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

murphtall (1979734) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123979)

That is what's happening. It's gonna be the new iPod. Aka the new iPod touch. There will be no mini iPad. The iPod needs a refresh. It's the only logical way to go imo

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (2)

Blue Stone (582566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124965)

I was going to buy an iPad mini/Air/whatever when it came out - because there are a few apps that I know will never come to android and which I would really really like, but after the monstrous patent bullshit that Apple have pulled I can't in good conscience get one.

I've held out against Apple for a long time, and they make some great hardware - the Macbook Air is, IMO, a perfectly targeted piece of tech. And the new iPad would have been perfect for my needs. Even after I bought a Nexus 7.

But I can't do it. I can't support these carpetbagging assholes. Carving up reality (via software patents, design patents) and claiming total domination, absolute monopoly.

It's the capitalist apex - ownership for the sole exploitation of - in the areas of software and design (art). Fuck that shit. What Apple has claimed ownership of, no one should own.

I can never buy something Apple in good conscience ever again. They've become the Big Brother that they claimed they were in opposition to.

The perfect mixing of computing and the liberal arts? That Jobs guy sure was a good salesman. More bullshit that you can shake a stick at.

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

peted56 (1842988) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125111)

Yeah right, what are these mystery apps that you "must" have?

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125227)

I'm a big fan of Brian Eno and his music, and the apps I was referring to were Bloom, Air and Trope.

I'd love to see them on Android, but I don't ever see it happening.

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

Truedat (2545458) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125301)

I agree that apple are assholes for this shit and it highlights the terrible patent system. However I also think that Samsung are the bigger assholes who basically get a free ride by copying competitor products. I don't care what the legal system has to say about it and which team wins in the long run but in my book it's plain wrong.

Apple are guilty of this too of course, but do you want to know the difference? They have the confidence to enter fledgling markets where it's in no way obvious to anybody that there is a golden opportunity to be had and then they bet big. They bet way big, ramping up production, tying up components in mega deals.

Sony on the other hand cherry pick by copying business opportunities that are already successful. That doesn't take balls, it just takes a fucking massive company who can produce a facsimile of a competitors product (maybe sometimes better) and ramp up their machine on a massive scale.

Whoops I picked a bad time to "cheerlead" apple, expect me to be modded down in 3...2...

+1 overrated

0 flame bait

-1 troll

Too late!

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

lexman098 (1983842) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125437)

Well I've got nothing better to do, sorry for feeding...

However I also think that Samsung are the bigger assholes who basically get a free ride by copying competitor products.

Damn Samsung and their lack of innovation. It's so easy for them to just wait for Apple to release something and then make the exact same thing, taking customers that rightfully belonged to Apple.

The software is kind of a moot point cause it's really just Android which is obviously nothing like iOS. Their hardware performs better than Apple's and it's way cheaper. It also looks good in a way that's different than the iPhone's brick-with-a-screen design. I just bought a Samsung phone because of the awesome OLED screen. How's that for innovation?

enter fledgling markets where it's in no way obvious to anybody that there is a golden opportunity to be had and then they bet big

Which market did they "create" where it wasn't in any way obvious to *anybody* that there was a golden opportunity? Better question: when did they bet big and fail? A company who's as innovative as you claim must have a swing-and-a-miss once in a while right?

Also, don't say the Apple TV. That device could not have cost them much given they already had the mac mini and they didn't really push it very much either.

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

Truedat (2545458) | about a year and a half ago | (#41128153)

You might not agree with my comments and that's fine, but why call me a troll? I took time to craft my arguments (about 20 minutes) and unlike you I definitely have many better things I could be doing. Quite possibly I didn't do a good job, but it's quite sad to come here for reasoned debate and be met with that kind of response just because my opinion happens to deviate from the masses. Sorry, there isn't really any incentive to engage with your post any further.

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125663)

Samsung manufactured cellphones and tablets before Apple.

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

Truedat (2545458) | about a year and a half ago | (#41128157)

True but Apple didn't go after that market, they went after the much smaller high end smartphone market.

So you are going without? Google just as bad (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126005)

Sorry, but I don't buy the argument not to buy from ANY company because of legal actions they take, at least not when legal actions re not the core business model.

Google is I think even more guilty than Apple of bad patent lawsuits, by having Motorola violate the RAND patents they were supposed to offer to all companies on equitable terms but they tried to shake down Apple for way more money on.

Even if you disagree with Apple being able to sue for design patents the fact is they had a strong case and it was more that obvious Samsung was copying closely. There is no excuse for violating RAND, the whole reason standards work is because you know the terms for the pool of licenses it holds. If companies are just going to drop RAND terms because the mark, er licensee is rich, then standards mean nothing.

Re:So you are going without? Google just as bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41126773)

It's not because they're rich, it's because they're assholes. Apple is putting litigation ahead of innovation and is trying to sue it's competition out of existence rather than actually competing. THAT is why all of the companies targeted by Apple are doing everythign they can to fight back. If they don't then Apple will kill them in the courtroom since they can't win elsewhere.

Re:So you are going without? Google just as bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41126853)

Google is I think even more guilty than Apple of bad patent lawsuits, by having Motorola violate the RAND patents they were supposed to offer to all companies on equitable terms but they tried to shake down Apple for way more money on.

You need to go read up on the Motorola suit some more. Motorola is and has been offering Apple the same non-discriminatory terms that every other phone vendor pays to license those patents. But Apple thinks they shouldn't have to pay as much as everyone else and refuses to pay at all -- essentially, Apple is demanding discriminatory terms that favor them. So Motorola is suing them. The only question in my mind is why they didn't do it sooner.

Re:iPad Mini, why not just an iPod touch? (1)

TummyX (84871) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125401)

What do you mean by the iPad terribly? Are you trying to run iPhone apps on the iPad or something? Try running actually tablet optimised apps.

Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (1, Interesting)

Morgaine (4316) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123975)

I wonder how Apple is going to spin the fact that every man and their dog was releasing a 7" tablet at the time that Jobs was vitriolic in his total contempt for that size. How times change.

Welcome to the party, Apple. You'll discover that it's an excellent form factor for tablets, very mobile for use on the go instead of merely transportable like larger ones, and it doesn't force you to squint like a smartphone display. Best all-rounder size, I reckon.

I love mine, it's proven repeatedly to have been the right choice and an excellent workhorse.

Re:Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124313)

I wonder how Apple is going to spin the fact that every man and their dog was releasing a 7" tablet at the time that Jobs was vitriolic in his total contempt for that size.

Steve Jobs said, at one time, Apple wasn't interested in developing a phone - that didn't stop them from developing the iPhone.

Steve Jobs also said, at one time, people don't read anymore - that didn't stop them from developing iBooks.

Jobs consistently said whatever made sense for the company at the time he said it. But he obviously had no qualms about reversing himself once it made business to do so.

Re:Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124973)

What Steve said was about PDAs ~" If we get into the PDA business (again), we have to get into the cell phone business." which anyone with a brain immediately knew that he was working on a PDA/phone.

Re:Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (2)

tooyoung (853621) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124567)

I wonder how Apple is going to spin the fact that every man and their dog was releasing a 7" tablet at the time that Jobs was vitriolic in his total contempt for that size.

Easy, it will be 6.9". Who would want a 7" tablet?

Apple coming to 7"... Samsung suing ? (1)

Vapula (14703) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124859)

What about Samsung suing Apple for stealing it's design of a tablet with a size smaller than 10" but bigger than a phone ? After all, we DO KNOW (it was publicly said) that Apple came to that idea after using a Samsung 7" tablet !!! Blatant copy...

I'd say that samsung should ask for... 1B$ damages ;-)

Re:Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124955)

He thought they were too small, based on Apple's extensive UI testing AT THAT TIME. Things and markets change. Apple may not have wanted to lead the 7" form factor, but i see no justification for calling them hypocritical about entering it now.
Sent from my Nexus 7

Re:Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126845)

Exactly. At the resolution available at that time, the 7" would have sucked. He made the right call, and is still right about releasing the 7" now.

Re:Better late than never, 7" is very mobile (1)

narcc (412956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41128007)

Ummm... No.

It was not a limitation of the technology of the time. They could have had the same resolution with a smaller display.

Apple will just... (1)

Archfeld (6757) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123989)

...sue them for making somthing that looks and feels like Gene Roddenberry invented it....

Who's copying now (3, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year and a half ago | (#41123997)

Everyone from Archos to Yarvik who already make 7" tablets should sue Apple for blatantly ripping off their IP.

Tablet? (2)

Altanar (56809) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124051)

Not too excited about a new tablet. What I really want is a color e-ink Kindle. *sigh*

Re:Tablet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41124945)

I heard through the grapevine that the Mirasol yields are _extremely_ poor, and what little has been passed by QA has
already been bought up by a small third-party player.

Since we're talking Kindle and not tablet, I really want a refreshed Kindle DX with WiFi. Replacing the keyboard with
a touch screen would make it a little smaller, and the WiFi would fit in well with the capped wireless.

Microsoft Surface (5, Interesting)

nastav (2611511) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124061)

I'm not entirely convinced that the game is settled in favor of Apple and the next rev of iPad. I'm extremely curious about Microsoft's Surface tablets. Surface is not in the same exact category as the purported iPad Mini or the next device from Amazon, or Google - it's an ~10" device whereas the rumor mills suggest a 7" form factor from other tablet competitors. Despite the size difference, it's worth noting that the main use-case for a consumer using one of these devices is web browsing, media consumption, note-taking, occasional (and typically RO) access to office documents, games, and platform specific apps.

The last two categories (games, platform specific apps) give Apple, and Android based devices, a significant first-mover advantage (in that order). When it comes to web-browsing, office applications and familiarity of interface, Windows has an edge (now along with Mac OS X) - at least in the consumer demographic that's waiting to spend money on a new device. If the rumors of low-pricing of Surface RT are true, and they are sold in the vicinity (or under) USD 300, and if the curiously interesting keyboard-and-mouse-on-a-flap turns out to be a seamless peripheral, then there is a good chance that Surface RT + Windows RT will gain momentum. Microsoft has already announced that they will bundle Office with Windows RT - and that's going to be a big deal IMO. This will certainly upset Google, and Amazon offerings - but perhaps only make a small dent in to Apple. Nevertheless, the world could look like an Apple and Microsoft dominated one this holiday season, leaving behind Android offerings. If the sales momentum is even somewhat interesting for Surface RT devices, I think that App developers will start implementing Metro style applications quickly - and developer experience (using Visual Studio and .NET toolsets) has been a historical strength of Microsoft's.

Of course, my analysis is predicated on two important assumptions - pricing and a great execution on the flap-keyboard, but I'll nevertheless be tempted to at least wait until Surface starts selling before deciding which tablet to buy next (and which ones to recommend to my non-techie friends).

Re:Microsoft Surface (3, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124245)

Surface needs to be very cheap if Microsoft wants to make a splash. Microsoft cannot afford another failed product but I'm not sure if they understand how much money a successful product is going to cost them.

Re:Microsoft Surface (1)

nastav (2611511) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124427)

but I'm not sure if they understand how much money a successful product is going to cost them.

It's a toss-up, really. They succeeded with XBox despite entering a new market crowded with leviathans, and they are failing with Windows Phone despite having a real first-mover advantage. They have succeeded in building very good first-party peripherals - keyboards (esp. ergonomic ones) and mice, and they did terribly with Zune. Microsoft Router (for those who can remember their 802.11b offering) was one of the best in the market, but they stopped building more when other companies started flooding the market with quality offerings (arguably, it was one of their better 'premium' offerings that is, today, reminiscent of the Airport Extreme concept - but very different from Apple's rendition). They've succeeded in launching a disruptive product like Kinect, but failed in their core competencies in the past (for e.g., Windows Vista). So I think it's a mixed report - Microsoft's track record neither predicts failure for Surface, nor does it predict serious success.

I'm inclined to give them the benefit of my patience and wait to see if it's truly a good device. The XBox (and Zune) experience specifically has indeed given them the experience needed to understand what it takes to succeed (and fail).

Re:Microsoft Surface (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41125825)

They succeeded with XBox despite entering a new market crowded with leviathans

If by 'succeeded' you mean 'lost billions of dollars'.

Re:Microsoft Surface (1)

Uberbah (647458) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126257)

They succeeded with XBox despite entering a new market crowded with leviathans

True, in marketshare if not in profit, because it focused on an area neglected by Sony and Nintendo: online play. If they could find a similar (large) niche to exploit, maybe they could make inroads into the tablet market.

But: netbooks already provided keyboards in lightweight form factors. Maybe a sub-netbook would make a difference, but then the Asus Transformer line has been around for a while without setting the world on fire.

At the end of the day, it might be like Microsoft or Blackberry trying to compete against Apple and Android in the smartphone market: it's tough to out-slick Apple or out-commoditize the Android platform.

Can they afford cheap really though? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126017)

Surface needs to be very cheap if Microsoft wants to make a splash.

Very true.

But can they afford the resulting backlash from other hardware makers? A number of them have already fired shots across Microsofts bow warning them they will be very displeased if Surface is undercutting the hardware they make.

Re:Can they afford cheap really though? (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126121)

Yes they can afford it. The OEM's can't really go anywhere.

That being said I'm nor sure if Surface exists as a reference implementation or as a product or as a serious push. I know Microsoft is getting frustrated with their OEM's selling crap and they are pushing for a better experience ( example: http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/html/pbPage.MicrosoftSignature [microsoftstore.com] ). But... there is a huge difference between Microsoft bitching about OEMs and be willing to lose the bottom 3rd of the market.

I think Microsoft is willing to push up the price point
I think Surface is a reference implementation not a serious product (i.e. I'm not expecting them to sell a lot).

But I also know I'm guessing.

 

Re:Microsoft Surface (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124467)

pricing and a great execution on the flap-keyboard

I've typed on my netbook plenty of times which theoretically should have a better keyboard than the Surface flaps and I still hate it. So does practically everybody else I've ever heard discuss it. I just don't see how they think relying so much on the keyboard gimmick for their tablet is going to shift units. As for the price, yes, if Android tablet OEMs think they can keep pushing their 10 inch stuff for 499 then it could be a rout but I think Google is showing the way with the Nexus 7. Cut the features like rear cameras etc. that people don't necessarily need and drop the price = sales. It helps now that Jellybean is an actual contender.

Re:Microsoft Surface (2)

tooyoung (853621) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124585)

When it comes to web-browsing, office applications and familiarity of interface, Windows has an edge (now along with Mac OS X) - at least in the consumer demographic that's waiting to spend money on a new device.

Except Microsoft is releasing this with a completely unfamiliar user interface.

Re:Microsoft Surface (1)

swillden (191260) | about a year and a half ago | (#41126873)

When it comes to web-browsing, office applications

Office applications, maybe, but web browsing? Both iOS and Android have excellent browsers.

A small iPad will finally make room for others (3, Insightful)

elabs (2539572) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124087)

I think a second, smaller iPad will actually fragment the iPad market and send the message to the world that there are choices in the tablet market. Right now people are patrified to plunk down $600-$800 on "the wonrg" tablet. They know they can't go wrong with the iPad so they buy that. When there are two iPads to choose from that mentality should start to change. People will start asking themselves, "what's the right tablet for me?"

Re:A small iPad will finally make room for others (3, Informative)

rolfwind (528248) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124293)

I think a second, smaller iPad will actually fragment the iPad market and send the message to the world that there are choices in the tablet market.

If it uses the same resolution as the iPad 1/2, the fragmentation should be pretty minimal in terms of apps and the like.

Re:A small iPad will finally make room for others (1)

narcc (412956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41128025)

It would appear that you've completely missed the parents point. As did a few mods.

Actually it will fill in the MATRIX (1)

arcite (661011) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124757)

Apple usually has a , good, better, best category... so an iPad Mini would fill in the "good" slot. No fragmentation there!

Re:Actually it will fill in the MATRIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41127107)

iBoy!

LAWSUIT! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41124397)

I hope every tablet manufacturer now making a tablet smaller than 10" immediately sues, claiming Apple stole their design.

Making stuff again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41124531)

I'm shocked they've taken a break from their lawsuit business to actually make something.

dead on arrival (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124673)

that's what prophet Jobs called the smaller Samsung tablets when they were announced.

At this point... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41124685)

I would rather buy something made by Microsoft then something made by Apple.

Altavista expected to sue MS over Vista trademark. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#41124695)

Who cares what's expected. I expect a lot of things, but this world isn't full of sane or rational individuals, and my hopes are uncorrectably too high.

Events, or it didn't happen.

are the editors even alive??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41125445)

with a revamped Kindle tablet: Nerval's Lobster writes with a report at SlashCloud that

either that's the most ridiculous name for a table ever, or the editors have died

oh wait.
submission by timothy.
nevermind

Fuck Apple (0)

Ice Station Zebra (18124) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125541)

Their fanboi's whould buy an apple product even if it was made from the dry shit of Steve Jobs. I hope they get a big fat lawsuit when they dare copy Amazon or Google small form layout.

Re:Fuck Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41125865)

Seriously though, do you know where I could get some dried Steve Jobs shit?

What shape ... (2)

PPH (736903) | about a year and a half ago | (#41125961)

... is that new Kindle?

It had better not be rectangular with rounded corners.

"Strut their small-tablet stuff"? (1)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127695)

Can we stop letting Ricki Lake write headlines? It's nauseating to see shit like this on slashdot.

customer survey much? (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year and a half ago | (#41127791)

So in addition to non-x86 architecture, no DVD drive, my giant fingers instead of a keyboard and mouse, they made the screen impossible tiny and hard to read for the majority of adults. Wow, it's like they've never asked a single question to a single customer ever.
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