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Study Suggests You Can Learn New Things In Your Sleep

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the I-know-kung-fu dept.

Science 99

bbianca127 writes "Researchers studied classical conditioning in 55 study participants while sleeping or awake. According to the article, 'Classical conditioning teaches a person or animal to associate one stimulus with another.' The researchers paired tones with scents; when they played a tone, they would let out a particular scent while the participants were sleeping. They found that the participants would make the association between the tones and scents even while awake."

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I knew it! (4, Funny)

lazybeam (162300) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142599)

My sleepy lectures weren't wasting time after all.

Re:I knew it! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142659)

I guess it really does help to put the textbook under your pillow the night before the exam.

in some lectures staying up does not help much (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142719)

in some lectures staying up does not help much anyways even more so for the ones that just reading from the book.

Re:in some lectures staying up does not help much (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142933)

Definition Lecture were information passes from the Lecturer's notes to the student's notes without passing through the mind of either.

Re:I knew it! (1)

danomac (1032160) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143437)

I believe it. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea about 10 years ago. I got maybe 10-15 minutes of REM sleep a night (which isn't enough.)

Basically I was so sleep deprived that I was sleeping all the time. I was constantly sleeping in lectures and even sometimes through lab sessions.

Oddly enough I averaged a high B/low A score. My peers weren't too happy when they saw me sleeping all the time and getting scores they were struggling to get.

Re:I knew it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144565)

I knew it too but the Professors didn't know or believe it so I got booted out every time they caught me sleeping in their classes.

Since I was woken up before booted out I didn't even learn that you could be kicked out of the room for sleeping. Ironic, isn't it?

Re:I knew it! (1)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#41145665)

I don't really sleep on lectures, but in high school I snoozed a lot during classes. Strangely enough you can memorize stuff better if you are in a half asleep state.

Re:I knew it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41147967)

This research will be very useful when studying for scratch and sniff exams.

I only make one tone and scent when I sleep (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142643)

And nobody wants to learn it.

Re:I only make one tone and scent when I sleep (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143003)

And nobody wants to learn it.

and you wounder why you sleep alone...?

Re:I only make one tone and scent when I sleep (3, Funny)

sjames (1099) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143613)

Ah, the forlorn single note of the vuvuzela and mice quietly gagging.

Of course, dreaming is powerful (1)

relikx (1266746) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142735)

That isn't some New Age platitude but Carl Jung and others have given great insight into something that still can't quite be quantified yet. Why, just last night I had a dream reminding me about watering my plant that's dying. Thanks id.

Re:Of course, dreaming is powerful (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143127)

The fact that you remember your dream suggests you did, in fact, learn something.

Re:Of course, dreaming is powerful (1)

relikx (1266746) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143319)

I guess my "of course" only implies that I support the conclusion and that I learned something. Makes sense how my comment is confusing, I only mean the broader aspects of the subconscious "can't quite be quantified yet." Thanks for the info exchange.

Re:Of course, dreaming is powerful (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41145919)

I guess my "of course" only implies that I support the conclusion and that I learned something. Makes sense how my comment is confusing, I only mean the broader aspects of the subconscious "can't quite be quantified yet." Thanks for the info exchange.

I don't think dreaming really has as much to do with the subconscious as people think it does. When I was a kid I wanted to learn to ride my bike with no hands, but was too scared of crashing and getting hurt to actually try it. One night I was dreaming about riding my bike, realized I was dreaming, and decided to try it with no hands. The next day I got up, went out, and rode with no hands. I was simply visualizing what I wanted to do, just like an athlete preparing for a competition visualizes their actions ahead of time to prepare. The fact that I was asleep was basically not relevant, other than I was able to visualize the detail much more vividly.

Re:Of course, dreaming is powerful (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year and a half ago | (#41151893)

When I was a kid I wanted to learn to ride my bike with no hands, but was too scared of crashing and getting hurt to actually try it. One night I was dreaming about riding my bike, realized I was dreaming, and decided to try it with no hands. The next day I got up, went out, and rode with no hands. I was simply visualizing what I wanted to do, just like an athlete preparing for a competition visualizes their actions ahead of time to prepare. The fact that I was asleep was basically not relevant, other than I was able to visualize the detail much more vividly.

When I was a kid I wanted to be able to fly, but couldn't figure out how to do it. One night I was dreaming about riding my bike, realized I was dreaming, and decided to try making my bike fly. Unfortunately, the technique didn't work when I woke up the next day.

Moral of the story: lucid dreaming is great for visualizing what you want to do and for seeing things in great detail -- it however is not limited by the laws of physics, and logic is sometimes suspended. As such, you can "learn" things while dreaming, but what you learn may not be all that applicable to real life.

Re:Of course, dreaming is powerful (2)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143145)

Why, just last night I had a dream reminding me about watering my plant that's dying.

Hope you washed the sheets

Omelette... (5, Funny)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142745)

...du fromage!

Re:Omelette... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143133)

That's all you can say! That's all you can say! That's all you can say!

Re:Omelette... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143661)

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Re:Omelette... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144043)

This is not offtopic. It's an obscure reference to Dexter's Lab, and the first thing I thought of when I read this headline.

Re:Omelette... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41153203)

Really? I thought of the Steve Martin bit. And it made no sense. Of course, I've never seen Dexter's Lab.

Simpsons did it. (4, Funny)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142757)

Marge: Homer, has the weight loss tape reduced your appetite?
Homer: Ah, lamentably no. My gastronomic rapacity knows no satieties.

Pavlovian Conditioning is not Learning (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142819)

It's a lot closer to Hypnosis or Brainwashing, in fact.

The funny thing about Hypnosis, is that it comes from Hypnos, meaning Sleep, meaning they proved you are far more suggestible when sleeping...
which we already knew.

Re:Pavlovian Conditioning is not Learning (1)

Rei (128717) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144435)

Doesn't matter what you call it, so long as you learn it.

I once tried studying Icelandic with audio tapes in my sleep. The problem was, I simply could neither fall asleep nor stay asleep with it on. My brain just had too much hearing taking in language that it had trouble with without calling my full attention into processing it.

Re:Pavlovian Conditioning is not Learning (1)

Khashishi (775369) | about a year and a half ago | (#41152083)

If conditioning isn't learning, then what is learning? And what is the difference between brainwashing and learning?

I learn stuff in my dreams. (2)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142841)

First I thought this article was cool, but it's not, so i'm going to try to spice it up.

When I was 16 and taking drivers ed, i was in a position in my life where I either had to practice on a huge tank of a car (automatic) or drive my sisters VW Bug (stick). Well, my sister always stressed out and yelled at me, and the owner of the other car was always busy, so i didn't do too much practicing of my driving.
So, just before the test, i had a dream where I was driving a stick, and it was a stress free enviroment and I was seeing how it went. How it felt to let the clutch out, switch the gear, etc.

Anyways, after that, I didn't have a problem driving stick shifts anymore. Ya, of course, someone might point out that I learned how to drive the stick in RL, but got the necessary practice in my dreams. So fuck you, I beat ya to it.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142953)

Your sister needs some dick. My dick.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142991)

I did the exact same thing. I tried driving a stick for real when I was 18 (for some reason I never had to drive a stick during Driver's Ed) and stalled out a car while trying to make a left turn on a busy street... that was scary. Weeks later I had a dream about driving a stick, and so I gave it a try again... and haven't had any problems since.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143045)

99% of the time, devices in my dreams act wacky and totally inconsistent with real life.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

plover (150551) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144333)

The more plausible answer is that you simply aren't stupid. The light weight of the vehicle, the noisy engine (you sure don't need a tach in a Bug), and simple H-pattern made the VW Beetle one of the easiest of all manual transmissions to drive.

Sticks are actually very easy to learn, despite their undeserved reputation. The only skill most people lack is confidence - once they understand that the pedal takes a smooth touch, but the gear lever takes a decisive action, they're good to go.

I also learned to drive stick in my dad's VW Beetle. It took a practice drive or two to figure out the action of the clutch, and that was it. So when you practiced once or twice with your yelling sister, that was probably all you really needed.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144769)

Sticks are actually very easy to learn

That's not entirely true. It's easy to make a stick shift vehicle make it's way down the road, but it's an entirely different proposition to do it correctly and actually match the RPMs. Then throw in heel-and-toeing, skipping gears, and accelerating quickly (while still smoothly) and it's an art that almost no driver does to perfection except maybe Jackie Stewart. Hell, I doubt most modern F1 drivers can drive a stick to perfection as they all drive semi-autos these days.

Also, it really depends on the car. A diesel with a lot of low-end torque is going to be a cakewalk. A 4-banger Jap car requires an extremely subtle touch.

If you think you learned how to drive a stick with a practice drive or two you really don't know how to drive a stick. Many a driver has asked to drive my cars (I have some fun ones) and they have to prove to me, using a manual other than mine, that they know what they're doing before they get behind the wheel. The #1 cause of transmission failures in manual gearboxes is from people who think they've got it down because the car's moving down the road.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41146121)

THIS. Mod parent UP. I've seen plenty of people who can "drive a stick" and have it in the shop once every 6 months for a new clutch, and after a year or two a complete transmission rebuild.

Re:every 6 months for a new clutch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41150321)

Ah yes. I can't help but think idiot every time I see someone using their clutch to hold position on a hill during a red light. I'm sure those people are proud of themselves for their ability to equalize the power going through the clutch with gravities pull on their car. I wonder if the pointless clutch wear even enters their consciousness.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41147101)

Er, most people that can really drive a stick, do not depend on the speed to judge the gear. They rely on the revs (they can hear it and can feel the response to increasing/decreasing throttle). I lived in a mountainous region (highly mountainous, an hairpin bend every .5 km) for about 3 years, and I had no problem driving a stick comfortably and neither did I have a problem with the cluchbox.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about a year and a half ago | (#41153129)

If you weren't an AC I'd explain it to you. Instead, here's one of the first videos YouTube pulled up on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcxHi6FlGLo [youtube.com]

btw, speed and revs are correlated - for example, on my go-to-work car, 5th gear at 3k RPM will always be 60 mph. So, you actually are depending on the speed to judge which gear to use whether you realize it or not. 5th gear at 10mph = stall (unless you gotta shit ton of torque and a gearbox geared super high).

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

Applekid (993327) | about a year and a half ago | (#41150851)

The machismo aside, I still can't imagine why anyone would willingly want to repeatedly perform such touchy and precise control manipulations. These are clearly a machine or computer's job. I mean, I respect folks who do it, and I can understand it being "fun", it's just so impractical.

I mean, nobody using a modern computer does an IPL by hand when they turn their computer on anymore.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (2)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about a year and a half ago | (#41152619)

1. It's safer, especially in crappy conditions. In the snow I can keep my RPMs low so I don't have to worry about the tires spinning. Going into a turn I can downshift BEFORE the turn, which an automatic can't do (same applies for hills).

2. Once it becomes muscle memory it's not so difficult to do it well. The problem is most people learn to do it incorrectly. Perfection isn't really attainable for most, but almost anyone can do it well if they're taught correctly.

3. As you stated, it's fun.

4. Going back to the safer point, it provides more feedback to you, the driver, so you're more aware of what your car is doing.

5. It's cheaper, easier to repair, and lasts longer (if driven correctly).

6. More efficient. Automatics constantly use more fuel than is necessary.

7. Another safer point: The throttle on automatics scares the shit out of me. The idea that any moron can mash it down and smash into something . . . ugh. Drunk people in automatics scare the shit out of me. I'm not too worried about drunk people in sticks - if they're not paying attention they stall out and the car makes them pay attention. While I'm sure there are plenty of drunks who've crashed in sticks (especially hot-rodding about), I still trust them more. In the same vein, if a 12 year old kid steals your car, it's gone. If a 12 year old kid steals one of my cars, he won't get out of the driveway (probably won't even figure out how to get the thing started). Since most criminals are about as intelligent as a 12 year old kid, this applies pretty broadly. I never lock my doors and I have a bad habit of leaving the keys in the ignition/on the driver's seat. I'm pretty sure, considering some of the areas I've parked my car, that had it been an automatic it would have been gone.

8. Less wear and tear on your brakes.

9. Driving my cars is an enjoyable experience. I'll drive just for the sake of driving. Driving an automatic is like driving a go-kart. Only something I do as a designated driver or in some other unusual situation.

It's really not impractical. I think it's more practical because it forces the driver to DRIVE rather than fiddle with a bunch of shit, put on make-up, text message, watch a movie, etc. Until cars drive themselves (not too far off), automatic transmissions are pretty useless. It compromises so much all for the sake of allowing the driver to be more distracted and to know less about driving.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

mogness (1697042) | about a year and a half ago | (#41160573)

I still can't imagine why anyone would willingly want to repeatedly perform such touchy and precise control manipulations.

I used to be a horrible driver.
Seriously bad, as in, I wrecked four cars in two years.Thankfully never causing any bodily harm to anyone. Of course, that was when I was 16, but I fault this largely on my inability to focus while driving an automatic. I would *space out* while driving on straight roads for long periods of time or even sometimes when going through repetitive stop-and-go traffic. The first car I bought with a manual transmission changed my life- I never had a wreck again and it's been ten years since I started driving a manual. Something about focusing on the revs and shifting gears keeps me focused on driving. Not to mention the fact that it is more enjoyable for me to drive than an automatic. Just food for thought.
Cue the flames on how I'm a moron for not paying attention while driving and what kind of idiot american driver I am etc...

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

plover (150551) | about a year and a half ago | (#41165165)

You ignored the details of the GP post. He wasn't trying to qualify for NASCAR, he wasn't learning in a BMW, he wasn't trying out to be the next Jason Statham. He needed to pass a driver's license test, and he believed he did it thanks to the dreamworld. At that initial stage of learning, matching RPMs is barely even required, as driving test examiners aren't judging proficiency, just adequacy. And acquiring that much skill on a stick really takes no more than a practice drive or two.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

fisted (2295862) | about a year and a half ago | (#41145357)

> but the gear lever takes a decisive action Oh noes, is this actual American wisdom on how to drive w/ manual transmission? How ironic. No wonder the cliché is you don't drive automatic for no reason. (Yeah, mod me troll)

FWIW, you should go easy on the gear lever (while there's no need to be gentle with the clutch in any situation other than starting, it just causes the clutch to wear out more quickly). Being 'decisive' with the gear lever will shorten the transmission's lifespan, the slower you shift, the more time the gears have to properly synchronize. Of course, being *too* slow will similarly cause unnecessary wear inside the gearbox, so the optimal shift (for no performance or racing purposes) is a nice and smooth, gentle move. If the lever resists, you're doing something wrong, don't force the gear.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (1)

plover (150551) | about a year and a half ago | (#41165479)

Decisive does not mean hamfisted, or pounding the stick like it owes you money. It simply means confidence.

I've seen kids learning who take it out of second gear, then contemplate the H pattern, then push it over, then tentatively push it sort-of up, then let up on the clutch to the sound of unmeshed gears, then push a little harder... Confidence means moving the stick where it has to go in a timely fashion. Getting a learner past that hurdle is a key step in learning stick.

Re:I learn stuff in my dreams. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41146109)

Sticks are actually very easy to learn, despite their undeserved reputation.

Assuming the clutch is in decent condition. I have an old Saturn with a clutch that you simply can't feel the friction point- you have to listen to the engine RPM's or you'll stall it out. I picked up on it pretty fast, but I've got plenty of experience driving clutch... if I'd had to learn on it I probably would avoid them like the plague.

Awake? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142877)

"They found that the participants would make the association between the tones and scents even while awake."

EVEN WHILE AWAKE?!?!?! GTFO!!

Ending... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41142897)

is better than mending.

Learning new things? (3)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#41142941)

New things? Really? Wake me up when they managed to teach me string theory in my sleep so well that I can recall it with a smell or tone while awake.

My point: they discovered that, while asleep, the brain is able to reinforce and create relations between the things/experiences learned while awake? If so, how is this new [wikipedia.org]?

Re:Learning new things? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143769)

Be careful what you wish for. A good night's sleep is far more valuable than the entire corpus of "knowledge" that comes from string theory. Have they managed to test a hypothesis yet? Or are they still using multiple dimensions to hide the vacuity of their assertions.

Shouldn't be a surprise (2)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143007)

There's plenty of stuff that I've been taught, but simply didn't understand. But could understand it after a night of sleep, heck. I've been woken up by those flashes of "oh shit, I get it" moments as the brain is working through something very complex that my conscious mind couldn't grasp. I believe that would fall under the "learning while you're asleep."

Bertrand Russell did it (1)

QuincyDurant (943157) | about a year and a half ago | (#41145079)

"Having, by a time of very intense concentration, planted the problem in my sub-consciousness, it would germinate underground until, suddenly, the solution emerged with blinding clarity, so that it only remained to write down what had appeared as if in a revelation."

http://www.davemckay.co.uk/philosophy/russell/russell.php?name=how.i.write [davemckay.co.uk]

Re:Bertrand Russell did it (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year and a half ago | (#41147015)

Yes, whilst studying maths I've long learnt that doing assignments last minute isn't a good idea, not because you may run out of time in the classic sense, but because you might run out of nights where you can sleep on the more difficult problems.

I tended to find if I work through an assignment, and get really stuck, the best thing to do is sleep on it. The next day I'll have figured much of it out in my head.

Interestingly I find water to have a similar effect, showering, bathing, or swimming underwater bring a certain calmness where I seem to have most of my Eureka moments. Similarly to sleeping, if I have a tough problem in my mind that I've been struggling with and go for a swim, and do a fair bit of underwater swimming, I often come out the pool with a solution.

We did this (2)

Kittenman (971447) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143037)

I remember back in the 70s that you could buy tapes, play 'em on a deck under your pillow and learn all sorts of things. Well, that's what we were told. The fact that we're not all multi-lingual Brain surgeons who work weekends in the local Rocket science shop gives me the impression it was all nonsense.

Re:We did this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143291)

To put it another way, this study suggests you can be conditioned in your sleep, not that you can learn anything interesting.

The Nile is the longest river ... (2)

cdrguru (88047) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143295)

I believe there was a pretty good statement of how this worked in Brave New World. There was enough information available then (1931) to say that this didn't work worth a damn.

People haven't changed much since 1931 and what didn't work then doesn't work now. However, the idea that this could be used to influence people (rather than to educate them) has not really been explored to any depth. Sure, it might work. There is some evidence that the "self confidence" tapes from long ago (1960s?) had some effect or at least people were buying them for "sleep improvement". However, this has the rather nasty implications of "programming" people and the unfortunate ways this could be utilized. Also explored by Brave New World as it was pretty obvious how this could be misused back then.

I learned Python Classes (0)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143379)

Somehow I learned what Python classes are in my sleep. When I was just getting started with the language I had a hard time coming to grips with the terminology. I didn't know the difference between a Class and a Function. I had a friend try to tell me but it bounced off my skull. One night I had one of those stupid dreams where you work, this time I was scripting. Suddenly it occurred to me what a Class actually is and why it's different from a Function. When I woke up somehow I retained the memory, not long after getting to work I was up and running and writing Classes. I had to make a conceptual leap to get it and that inspiration didn't come until sleepy sleepy time.

Well that's not exactly what the article was talking about, I just thought it was interesting that I was problem solving in my sleep cycle. It happens from time to time. The human brain never ceases to amaze me.

Follow not the null pointer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143761)

Similar situation. Was learning C at the ripe age of fourteen. Could not, for the life of me, wrap my head around the intricacies of pointers.

Until one night, when I have a very strange dream. When I woke up, I made many small children and aged, bearded developers cry in terror at the incomprehensible horrors I thusly enacted by abuse of pointers.

Re:I learned Python Classes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41166283)

No, that was just your left brain starting to work, we humans call it intelligence.

8008135 - don't you just love them? boiiiiinng! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143523)

Memorable quotes for
Looker (1981)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes [imdb.com]

"John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power."

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"The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
- Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio [imdb.com]

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"It's only logical to assume that conspiracies are everywhere, because that's what people do. They conspire. If you can't get the message, get the man." - Mel Gibson (from an interview)

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director

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"The real reason for the official secrecy, in most instances, is not to keep the opposition (the CIA's euphemistic term for the enemy) from knowing what is going on; the enemy usually does know. The basic reason for governmental secrecy is to keep you, the American public, from knowing - for you, too, are considered the opposition, or enemy - so that you cannot interfere. When the public does not know what the government or the CIA is doing, it cannot voice its approval or disapproval of their actions. In fact, they can even lie to your about what they are doing or have done, and you will not know it. As for the second advantage, despite frequent suggestion that the CIA is a rogue elephant, the truth is that the agency functions at the direction of and in response to the office of the president. All of its major clandestine operations are carried out with the direct approval of or on direct orders from the White House. The CIA is a secret tool of the president - every president. And every president since Truman has lied to the American people in order to protect the agency. When lies have failed, it has been the duty of the CIA to take the blame for the president, thus protecting him. This is known in the business as "plausible denial." The CIA, functioning as a secret instrument of the U.S. government and the presidency, has long misused and abused history and continues to do so."
- Victor Marchetti, Propaganda and Disinformation: How the CIA Manufactures History

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George Carlin:

"The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.

But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

You know what they want? Obedient workers people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.

This country is finished."

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We now return you Americans to your media: Corporate, Government sponsored and controlled (rigged) elections..

Most of you are all so asleep it's time you woke up!

Lucid dreams (1)

cleepa (1142305) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143771)

Lucid dreamers (and researchers) have known this for quite some time. Being conscious of the fact that you are dreaming allows you to learn things that fear might otherwise prevent you from doing.

I did this all the time on my 1st degree (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41143823)

I would read my notes from class into a casette recorder & played it while I slept near my bed (after I rewrote them, this is a good study habit for me too when I was a student, along with doing the assignments as well, of course)...

* It worked well enough... on concepts, but not on formulas where you HAD to do them, "by rote" & learn the concepts BEHIND them as to WHY they worked & for what...

APK

P.S.=> This only proves it for me all the moreso... apk

It's true! (2)

reboot246 (623534) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143853)

Just last night I learned that Popeye had banned me from climbing ladders. Then, for some odd reason, getting in the shower lifted me up to the roof so I got there without a ladder. I thought Popeye would be mad, but he had left the dream. Go figure . . . .

Well.... (2)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41143993)

I've solved problems while sleeping... including one memorable time where I found a solution to one particular computer bug in some software I was writing that had been troubling me for a few days (the error in my dream, and in reality, turned out to be caused by a mistyped condition that was executed very infrequently, and which was simply missing a boolean negation). Of course, the reasonable explanation for this is that because I had seen the code so many times by that point, my eyes had already viewed the error, I had simply not previously recognized it as such. Somehow, this manifested in a dream where I was working on the program, and happened to catch the error. I don't know exactly why I recognized the error in my dream, but I know that the only reason I spotted the error in real life was because I remembered that dream and decided to look at the applicable place in the code. Nonethless, that was a really bizarre experience... one I'm sure I'll never forget.

But I can't really say I've ever *LEARNED* anything new while sleeping though... only at most, discovered new ways of thinking about things that I really did already know.

Re:Well.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41148645)

This is a common experience and a known phenomenon. Kekule discovered the structure of the benzene mollecule while sleep. While I was doing my PhD (about 20 years ago), I had a very complex theoretical problem. One day, I went to sleep and I woke up in the middle of the night with two mathematical equations in my head. I wrote those two equations in a paper I had in my nightstand and felt asleep again. It turns out that these equations were the solution to my problem and they were the core of my PhD thesis.

So yes, I think you can solve complex problems in your sleep but this was known. This is a completely different scenario because here you are learning completely new things instead of processing previous information you have.

Re:Well.... (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year and a half ago | (#41149407)

Wow, you were working in your sleep? That sucks.

Just imagine a day when the tech exists to enable us to work in our sleep. About two days after the tech is introduced, it will be mandatory.

It's Funny how that works (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144013)

I have been running that study on my wife for the last 20 years and .. it works... she identifies a fart like sound with the smell of sulfur all the time.

It's True (3, Interesting)

RazorSharp (1418697) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144057)

This is an anecdote but it's a fairly convincing one:

I once had a roommate who was a sports fanatic who worked as a server in a sports bar/restaurant at the time. He would listened to sports radio while he slept - usually it was the west coast baseball games (we're in EST) - and he claimed that the broadcasters would basically narrate his dreams of baseball. He knew most the players so if he heard something like, "Bonds hits it to center field, he slides to first and is safe," it's something he could envision realistically.

It's easy to dismiss this as a wild claim he made, but the proof was in the pudding. He could, with confidence, talk about the games the next day before hearing/seeing anything about them. He knew the scores, the big plays, damn near everything as well as if he had watched it on TV. His customers ate it up - they'd love to put him to the test before the highlights would show up on the tube.

Re:It's True (1)

zachie (2491880) | about a year and a half ago | (#41146239)

Some time ago I used to listen to a news radio station to help me sleep. They repeat the what is essentially the same batch of news every 30 min. So, perhaps a couple times, I incorporated the news in my dreams, for example that I was watching the news on TV, or somebody was telling me about the news. I am unsure if next morning I would have been able to recall a piece of news introduced while I was asleep, though.

Re:It's True (1)

dargaud (518470) | about a year and a half ago | (#41147875)

The simplest explanation would be that there are sleep cycles, and during part of the cycle you are half asleep and half aware: it's easy to 'guide' dreams during those, as well as possible to remember something you heard.

Not learning (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144255)

This is not learning. This is Classical, aka Pavlovian, Conditioning. They're two completely separate things.

Work in your sleep (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144535)

Recently I've been dreaming that I'm at work.
It really sucks when you wake up and realize you haven't actually done all that work yet, and wasted a perfectly good 8 hours of sleep on work related things.

This is real... (1)

Grog6 (85859) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144691)

When we were playing Q2 regularly, maybe 10 years ago, we noticed you completely knew a new map after "sleeping on it".

Works for math, too; just don't learn to do something wrong and go to sleep, lol.

"learn" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144727)

Yeah they learned - to the extent that "learn" == "be classically conditioned".

Yep. (1)

Elminster Aumar (2668365) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144761)

I can vouch for this: I learned the moonwalk in my sleep back when I was about 12 or 13. Up to that point, I had no idea how to do it. Minor example, I know, but it's true.

I know Kung-Fu! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144807)

Always wanted to learn Kung Fu this way a la The Matrix

Beethoven (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144891)

So after this therapy, I might be listening to Beethoven 5th and all of the sudden start smelling rotten eggs.

This is true (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41144917)

I have been listening to cypress hill, in my sleep, lately - and I have sold more weed than ever this month!

That Explains It! (1)

Joviex (976416) | about a year and a half ago | (#41144971)

So, that is why my girlfriend remembers everything I say to her while she is asleep - it's the fart smell association!

Closed access journals suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41145893)

So happy this article is behind a paywall. When are you happy people in the West going to realize this shuts the research results off from more than half of the world? It's a sin and a disgrace and it's the academics who perpetuate it. Do you care about anything other than your 'impact'? Self-centered bastards, the lot of you!

I wonder then, (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year and a half ago | (#41146047)

When will the fruits of plebeian slumber ripen to rouse the famished! I've dreamt of many things -- of kingdoms and of hells, of riches and great struggles. But come the rising sun, its searing breath upon a weary head, behold, the cozy quietus posing as another wakeful day.

known this since I was 12 (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year and a half ago | (#41146381)

it's how I learned French to the point where I aced my GCSE in French at 13.

At the suggestion of my teacher, I played French movies and language tapes (prerecorded during lessons) while I slept. Came to the oral exam, my responses were "natural, instant and almost accentless" according to the examiner.

This is really promising (1)

bodhisattva (311592) | about a year and a half ago | (#41146587)

People have been listening to tapes at night for years and learning nothing. Somebody suddenly gets a Pavlovian response and the promise of a PhD while you snore leaps into some journalistic mind. Please, there are far more advances in anti-gravity and time travel that make more interesting reading.

much more interesting story (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year and a half ago | (#41147913)

Back when I had huge applications to program for college, I'd be up until the early morning and my brain would be spun up into high gear so it'd be hard to fall asleep. Often times, I'd finally get to sleep and keep writing the software in my sleep. Then I'd wake up and be mad that I'd have to retype it all but retyping it as soon as I woke up proved that it actually was pretty good code :-D
Also, since there's a popular theory that dreams are merely simulations of situations that your brain can practice so it's more prepared if it ever happens in reality, it's not surprising that a person is capable of learning and remembering while asleep. That's sort of the point.

How not to wet the bed.... (1)

realsilly (186931) | about a year and a half ago | (#41148545)

Just play some recording telling the children that they should wake up and use the restroom when they feel the need to go potty.

Re:How not to wet the bed.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41150693)

Just play some recording telling the children that they should wake up and use the restroom when they feel the need to go potty.

This works, my father spoke those suggestions to me when I was asleep and I had no idea he had until many years later - apparently it instantly stopped me wetting the bed.

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