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Iranian Players Blocked From World of Warcraft Due To Trade Sanctions

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the overthrow-government-instead dept.

Role Playing (Games) 475

cold fjord writes "Is this the end of the world . . . of Warcraft? Maybe for Iranian gamers who are undergoing a forced morale check due to tightening sanctions cutting access to their game of choice. From the article: 'Iranian players of "World of Warcraft" ... have found themselves frozen out by Blizzard Activision Inc., the American company behind the game. Iranian role playing enthusiasts have spent much of the past week peppering Blizzard's message board with complaints about how they weren't able to log on to the service — only to be told recently that U.S. law was to blame. "United States trade restrictions and economic sanction laws prohibit Blizzard from doing business with residents of certain nations, including Iran," the company said in an email sent to players last week...'" Thanks to the sanctions, they can't get refunds either.

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475 comments

When I was a kid we thought America was free (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166209)

I remember growing up during the Cold War, and being taught all the pro-U.S. propaganda: The Russian space program sucks. You don't need papers to travel in the U.S. unlike the USSR. U.S,. citizens were free to travel anywhere, unlike those poor Soviets. Only Poland cracked down on labor unions and dissedents. And so on.

It was only after I grew up and learned to see through the bullshit that I realized that was all lies. We had been lied to just as much as the Soviets. The Russian space program is filled with firsts that American students never learned about (we only got the NASA stuff and a brief mention of Sputnik). You DAMN SURE DO need papers to travel in the U.S. (try getting pull over by a cop sometime and tell him you have no identification, driver's license, proof of insurance, and registration and just see what happens, or try coming here sometime to see if the cops accept "We don't need no papers, this is America!" in lieu of your passport/green card/visa). Polish labor unions weren't the only ones that got cracked down on in the 80's. And American are ABSOLUTELY NOT allowed to travel anywhere they wish (try joining your European friend on his vacation in Cuba sometime if you think so).

And if you're American you are also prohibited from doing business with any country the American government doesn't like (which are usually the ones who dared overthrow one of the U.S.'s corrupt puppet regimes).

Land of the free...not so much.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (-1, Redundant)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#41166261)

Cool story bro

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166319)

What an intelligent reply.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (2, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year ago | (#41166437)

Completely wrong statements don't need intelligent replies. We can travel anywhere, you only need "papers" if you are operating a piece of machinery called a car. If you did public transit you don't even need that. In the USSR you could be detained for moving between zones without a good reason and the completed travel papers. The OP has no idea what he is making a comparison to. USA != USSR.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (-1, Troll)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#41166617)

Who you shillin' for???

In the US you are required to carry ID if you go out in public. And they will detain you until it is verified. And really, try traveling near the border without going a checkpoint. And yes, they do check people who are leaving the country now. The visa isn't required yet, but make sure your parking tickets are paid. Don't be a goof.

I suspect yours was a drive by post... let's see how that pans out.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year ago | (#41166663)

I recently crossed several state borders without being stopped by police for papers. So no, we are not the USSR.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (2, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#41166851)

Ah, the everlovin' anecdote! Ok I'll play. I was stopped more than once while walking down the street. I wasn't even crossing the city limits. Shall we keep going back and forth?

As long as we comply we have nothing to fear. Ain't life grand? Now I will admit, nothing beats American TV, and some of the roads are billiard table smooth. Most buildings are straight and square. And the territory is some of the most beautiful on the planet. And the government appears to be more pragmatic, but please, don't try to tell me the system is any less corrupt.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166921)

The plural of anecdote is not evidence. I have never once been asked for identification other than when pulled over for speeding to verify I am licensed to drive and have insurance. If it's true that you have undergone the treatment you claim, but that is a huge outlier and not the norm.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167169)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Chuckstar (799005) | about a year ago | (#41167249)

NO! You cannot be detained in the U.S. just for not having ID. You are simply wrong.

The U.S. also does not have any requirements for exit. Airlines will check that you have a passport so that you can get intothe country you arrive at. But the U.S. has no exit restrictions at our borders. You are free to leave.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#41166639)

That is not true actually. If the police ask for your identification and you do not provide it, they can hold you until your identity is verified to make sure you don't have any warrants issued against you.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#41166661)

There are also state laws in many states requiring people to carry identification.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Chuckstar (799005) | about a year ago | (#41167265)

Name one.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#41166665)

Police can detain you for any reason for 24 hours.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#41166731)

Police can detain you for any reason for 24 hours.

... and strip search anyone and everyone they 'detain.'

Nope, no police state to see here, move along Citizen...

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167107)

I thought the court ruling was that they had to be arrested and sent to general population in order for the strip search to be allowed?

Not "everyone they detain"...

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167213)

I'll raise it a level.

What about the President's Kill list?

What about indefinite detention by way of using the DSM against veterans who speak out politically.
In other words, say you love Ron Paul and post that on Facebook, then you get disappeared miles away from your home and friends and committed to an asylum using a fuckin quack psychology doctor and their bible/law the DSM. A nefarious game being played here

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Glarimore (1795666) | about a year ago | (#41166695)

If you're walking in a US neighborhood that a patrolling police officer thinks you look out of place in, he will stop and talk to you and he will likely demand identification. If you really want to you can try to explain to the officer why you don't need to, but you're most likely going to get into a drawn out argument with a police officer. this is how 'Merica works.

"You don't need papers," my ass.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | about a year ago | (#41166753)

...until the police decide to hassle you and throw you in jail for not giving them ID. It happens. Particularly in the south to people with brown skin, but hell just the other day in Pennsylvania I had an office demand _multiple_ pieces of ID while I was walking into a restaurant.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (4, Informative)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#41166765)

If you did public transit you don't even need that.

TSA now "inspects" railroad passengers to prevent terrorists from hijacking a train and crashing it into a skyscraper. Most news reports about it were the usual frothing at the mouth stockholm syndrome request for them to start body cavity searches of bus passengers. Several states require if you're an adult on public land you must carry ID or you'll be charged. In practice across the entire country if you interact with any cop and have no ID it is assumed there's a warrant out for you and you'll sit in a cell until they figure out who you are via prints or... something.

In the USSR you could be detained for moving between zones without a good reason

In the USA we only do that to black people. As a white dude I'm free to travel, not so for my black ex-coworkers who have all kinds of stories. They're only allowed to drive on certain roads and shop in certain stores without suspicion. Admittedly I live in one of the most segregated metro areas in the country (and no, its not in the south). My cousin who went to Soweto (spelling?) township in South Africa during the apartheid years didn't feel race relations were all that different from home, but some of his fellow peace corps volunteers were pretty freaked out, so I guess it depends where you live in the USA.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166861)

Nearly half of all states now require to you carry and show proof of identification whether you are driving a car or not to the police. In my state of Indiana for example up to 60 days in jail and $500 fine.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0, Redundant)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about a year ago | (#41166331)

Talk about a lack of perspective.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (3, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#41166477)

American fascists wear the velvet glove only because everybody complies. Resisters are jailed, just like over there in Russia, or any where else. Don't think those gloves won't come off, if they really feel threatened.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166523)

Damn, here come the paranoid schizophrenics!

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166697)

Damn! Here come the brainless drones!

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166739)

Damn! Here come the paranoid schizophrenics who think anyone who doesn't agree with them is a brainless drone!

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166973)

Damn! Here come more brainless drones who believe our freedoms should be up for dicsussion, and also don't believe in physical evidence of systematic corruption. Lemme try some of that kool-aid of yours. I wanna go catatonic, just like you.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (1, Flamebait)

OriginHacker (849894) | about a year ago | (#41166669)

Wow talk about a completely bias comment that has nothing to do with the article. Great time to spout anti-american propaganda. Sadly, I think most people would disagree on your assessment that just because we require people to be licensed to drive motor vehicles that we're not the land of the free. That logic is kinda flawed to say the least. The Iranian Government is receiving sanctions for threatening parts of the world with destruction. We don't allow that this day and age. When gasoline/oil is so freaking cheap in Iran, there's no point in them building nuclear reactors... That's why the WORLD (not just USA, awwwww wanted to bash USA more? awwwww.....) is sanctioning Iran. They're threatening to wipe Israel off the face of this planet with any means of destruction they can get their hands on. Their own government shot and killed protesters openly in the streets. Remember the green movement? Yeah, it sucks that the Iranian people have to suffer like this... and I'm surprised that Iran even allows WoW through their national ISP that blocks pretty much everything else.... But your Anti USA comments have very little to do with the article and your bias'ness against the USA is pretty apparent. Let me guess, you live in the USA because you hate the country so much. .

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166759)

We had been lied to just as much as the Soviets. The Russian space program is filled with firsts that American students never learned about (we only got the NASA stuff and a brief mention of Sputnik).

What kind of bullshit school did you GO to? I went to school in the US during the cold war, and they went over Yuri Gagarin, and while they glossed over most of the Soviet space program, they glossed over most of the American program too. Unless you think the real chain of events in the US program was Alan Shepard, then Apollo 1, then Apollo 11...

You DAMN SURE DO need papers to travel in the U.S. (try getting pull over by a cop sometime and tell him you have no identification, driver's license, proof of insurance, and registration and just see what happens, or try coming here sometime to see if the cops accept "We don't need no papers, this is America!" in lieu of your passport/green card/visa).

More bad education. You understand the difference between "travel" and "driving", yes? You can do one without the other. Try biking across the country, or backpacking, or hitchhiking, take a bus or train... nope. The only option is to drive yourself...

FALSE EQUIVALENCY, HO!

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166821)

Your an idiot!

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166831)

How does this relate at all to trade sanctions against another country? Seems to me the State Department just woke up to this and figured at was a good way to encourage Iranians to move their government towards a more open position

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#41167101)

That's the same reason terrorists attack civilians. So maybe suicide bombings are okay after all. Actually, depending on the target, the US government highly approves of them, and hired assassins, and all sorts of violence.

Iran's nuke program seems illogical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166839)

I don't like the war mongering Republicans like Bush, McCain, and Graham, whom have wasted lots of money in Iraq, were Libya happy, and now want action in Syria. We should lift sanctions against Cuba, and be friendlier with nations that pursue alternate economic systems, like Venezuela.

Still, if you want to travel across the country without identification, take a bus. A suicide bomber on an airplane can kill hundreds. On a bus... only tens of people, if lucky.

Iran is ENRICHING URANIUM, the hardest step in the manufacturing of nuclear weapons. Iran could easily BUY nuclear fuel rods from other nations, such as France, Japan, in addition to RUSSIA and CHINA ie, the nations on the UN security council that have OPPOSED sanctions on Iran. Iran will have to develop and run an expensive nuclear infrastructure for a small number of nuclear reactors, unlike, France and Russia, whom already have decades of experience, and have economies of scale from large numbers of their own reactors, and sell too many other countries, including the United States. That's right, America gets most of its civilian fuel rods from other nations. In light of that, it seems illogical from Iran to operate an indigenous civilian nuclear power program, when it can buy for less from friendly nations, and avoid suspicion.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166899)

I agree whole heartily with your comments. There are many thousands, maybe millions, of Americans who haven't got a clue as to what is happening to their 'free' country. Best of luck to them, when the reality hits them!

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166963)

The UN Security Council agrees with these sanctions, so why does it bother you that the US enforces them?

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (5, Informative)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | about a year ago | (#41166975)

There are a lot of factual problems with your statements. I'm not going to list all the Soviet space accomplishments I learned about in school, because that's likely a function of specific school one went to and how much detail on the space program one had. But let's look at your other claims.

First of all, the US has not (until very recently in some states like Arizona) been a papers-please state, that is a state where the police can just stop you on the street and ask for your ID and other paperwork. The difference with cars is that you need a license to drive a car. Comparing that to what the USSR did is just not accurate.

Second, it is possible to travel to Cuba and has been for over a decade, and in fact it just got easier about a year ago. http://travel.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/travel/at-long-last-legal-trips-to-cuba.html [nytimes.com] . Even in years where it has been difficult, a minimum of around 50,000 Americans traveled there has been around 50,000. Moreover, there's a very large difference between it being difficult to travel to a specific country and making it nearly impossible to travel to most of the planet. Remember the Berlin Wall at all? People were shot trying to flee as a regular occurrence. The US may do nasty things sometimes to keep people out, but they aren't threatening their own citizens to keep them in.

None of this is to say that the US is perfect. There are serious problems with civil liberties. And in many ways they've gotten much worse in the last decade. But that doesn't mean it is at all like how things were in the Soviet Union.

Re:When I was a kid we thought America was free (0)

na1led (1030470) | about a year ago | (#41167071)

America may not have all the freedoms I'd like, but it sure as hell beats any other place on this planet!

The Russian Program was So Great (1)

medv4380 (1604309) | about a year ago | (#41167159)

Did NASA ever have a rocket explode and kill 48 of the Engineers? Don't get me wrong Russia has a functional space program, and is going to make mistakes just as we have, but I think blowing up a Large Number of engineers would shape the opinion of people during the Cold War that their space program sucks. That one little Vostok-2M rocket probably set them back a decade in talent.
If a cop pulls over someone with no Drivers Licence and no Insurance they have proven that they shouldn't be driving. You need insurance because the risks while driving is high, and you need a licence so that you can actually prove you know how to drive. If you want to walk from LA to NY go ahead, but be sure not to go through Death Valley, I hear it's a pain this time of year. And AZ probably isn't a good pick if you're not white, but that's why their immigration laws were challenged, and challenged as being a little too much unamerican.
And if you want to go to North Korea so Badly by all means go, no one will miss you. I'm sure they will be fine if you just walk in without an ID or Papers without telling them that you're coming. You'll have a job already lined up and ready to go.

Meh theres always private servers... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166221)

So they move to private servers.

Obama is going down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166245)

Faster than barney frank at a male strip club.....................

Careful Blizzard (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166289)

Careful with that Blizzard. You're acting like you've never heard the phase "Somebody set up us the bomb."

Re:Careful Blizzard (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#41166313)

But they're totally familiar with "Nuclear launch detected."

Can't be letting iranians build ghosts!

Now this, this will surely inspire a Revolution (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166315)

Because obviously there's nothing more likely to inspire outrage and violence than nerds denied their gaming habits.

This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and returns Democracy and Freedom to Iran, decades after the CIA took it away.

Re:Now this, this will surely inspire a Revolution (1, Troll)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#41166711)

I think this will actually break the back of the islamist militants.

If the guys who spend all day playing WoW actually go outside and live life, they might lose their virginity. And then there won't be enough virgins to supply the suicide bombers with their 72.

Re:Now this, this will surely inspire a Revolution (1)

pclminion (145572) | about a year ago | (#41167201)

So, your theory is that suicide bombers are rewarded after death with 72 MALE virgins? I think I like this theory.

I dunno about that (2)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#41166335)

Thanks to the sanctions, they can't get refunds either.

I think that last part is just Blizzard actually, lol. I would think that receiving $50 or whatever from services provided to an Iranian then getting told that's not allowed would mean you have to undo the trade by giving that $50 back.

Re:I dunno about that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166517)

I'm guessing it's the same sanctions preventing the Iranian people playing WoW that are preventing the Iranians getting their refunds. Will this cause a sudden burst in 3rd party server development?

Re:I dunno about that (1)

GCsoftware (68281) | about a year ago | (#41166603)

No.

Re:I dunno about that (4, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | about a year ago | (#41166705)

When you register with Blizzard, part of the information that's required is the country you reside in. The question in my mind is whether "Iran" was ever on the list and - if it was - whether you were able to register an account and purchase games if you set that as your answer.

If - as is quite possible - the only way to register an account in Iran was to pretend to be from somewhere else, then even in the absence of sanctions, Blizzard could probably just shrug, say "TOS violation" and refuse a refund.

Re:I dunno about that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166895)

Blizzard would be breaking the law by depositing money to an Iranian Bank or wiring money intent in going to Iran.

I don't know the details of U.S. law and when the sanctions took place but some accounts are paid for in a year at a time or longer.

Re:I dunno about that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167111)

Not really. The issue for Activision Blizzard would also include HOW to send the money back to players. US sanctions include doing business / transactions with Iranian banks and banks that have connections with them. .Where do you send the money?

Re:I dunno about that (1)

tgd (2822) | about a year ago | (#41167147)

I would think

Strangely, there's no relationship between what you think and US law. Weird, huh?

Re:I dunno about that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167153)

Something just rubs me the wrong way about this. It may be a violation of sanctions, but it just doesn't seem right. Is the game really causing significant harm? What's next, banning access to those coming from an Iranian IP address to free services such as Hotmail or any generic website?

It was even available to begin with? (4, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a year ago | (#41166341)

Given the hardline stance in Iran, I would think all western games would be banned for being un islamic in the first place.

Re:It was even available to begin with? (5, Insightful)

jkflying (2190798) | about a year ago | (#41166411)

Perhaps it's not quite as bad there as you've been led to believe?

Re:It was even available to begin with? (2)

biochozo (2700157) | about a year ago | (#41166735)

Impossible! Iran IS the desolate wasteland we've been led to believe. My friend who frequents lies to me about how awesome the shopping is, how friendly the people are, and how it's really not so bad... or different. It would also be a lie to believe that if you were to go over there... the people would be just as frustrated with their government and their media shows off only the weirdest and skewed stories from the us. Like someone eating another man's face off, people getting massacred in movie theaters, and the highest incarceration rates of any other country in the world!

Re:It was even available to begin with? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167191)

Iran is not exactly Disney World pal.

Re:It was even available to begin with? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166419)

Gee, you don't think the American media might have distorted the truth about Iranian society do you?!?!?

Re:It was even available to begin with? (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#41166747)

Iran is not run by the taliban. They have their own issues, but they are not the worst of the worst.

Re:It was even available to begin with? (1)

bug1 (96678) | about a year ago | (#41166995)

Iran is not run by the taliban. They have their own issues, but they are not the worst of the worst.

World has been safe since "the worst of the worst" are locked up in guantanamo, thankyou GWB.

(sarcasm)

Re:It was even available to begin with? (1)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#41166915)

Given the hardline stance in Iran, I would think all western games would be banned for being un islamic in the first place.

Probably not all of them, but some of them, yeah. There's a wiki page for everything:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_video_games_by_genre [wikipedia.org]

Computerized chess game, yeah I think that'll be OK.

Re:It was even available to begin with? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166941)

The position of clerics and politicians in Iran does not necessarily match that of many (most?) Iranians. If you ever get a chance to meet someone who grew up there you will probably find that their interests and activities are not wildly different from much of Europe or North America.

Re:It was even available to begin with? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167067)

So what you think is apparently wildly disconnected from reality. I'll make a mental note to remember this in future discussions.
Thank you.

(translation: stop believing everything you see on Fox news, sheep)

Stupid (5, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | about a year ago | (#41166357)

I'm always shocked at just how much American culture has spread world wide. And the thing is - it often works in our favor. Iranian kids playing WoW can't in any way benefit Iran that I can think of, but has multiple benefits for the U.S. Someone from the gov should be on the horn right now getting those accounts reactiviated.

Re:Stupid (4, Insightful)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#41166541)

I agree completely. If you want to undermine a theocracy, trade sanctions that hurt the people and not the leaders aren't the way to do so. The best way is to give their people tools to share information. Spend 1% of the current US 'defense' budget on FTTH for Iran, and not only will those seeking to overthrow the government have better tools at their disposal, but it's harder to convince someone to kill themselves for a spiritual cause when tons of HD porn is just seconds away.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166581)

I'm always shocked at just how much American culture has spread world wide. And the thing is - it often works in our favor. Iranian kids playing WoW can't in any way benefit Iran that I can think of, but has multiple benefits for the U.S. Someone from the gov should be on the horn right now getting those accounts reactiviated.

I wonder if there is a tax benefit for Iran that Blizzard has to pay from their Iranian players.

Re:Stupid (5, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | about a year ago | (#41167105)

Actually, I doubt that Blizzard's actions are related to any recent change of policy by the US Government. Rather, it's about companies looking differently at how current policies might be applied in the wake of the HSBC case that's running at the moment (which may or may not be a piece of Wall Street protectionism).

I can't prove it, because obviously they'll have updated their registration systems now, but I'd be prepared to bet that Blizzard have never allowed the registration of accounts (or at least the purchase of games or subscriptions on accounts) where the customer identified themselves as being from Iran. They - and quite a lot of other companies - would have been operating on the principle that this was enough to get them legally in the clear against charges of dealing with regimes subject to sanctions.

The HSBC case has shown (among other things) that getting customers to tick a box certifying that they aren't from such a country is not, in fact, enough to prevent you from having to answer some fairly scary questions. I suspect Blizzard have just looked at their legal risk register and decided that they need to move to an IP-blocking system. So it's not actually a change of policy by either the US Government or Blizzard - but rather a change in approach and methodology.

The straw that breaks the camel's back? (2)

phil_aychio (2438214) | about a year ago | (#41166425)

Could this force Iran to stop enriching uranium? What if Steam followed suit...what would happen then?

Re:The straw that breaks the camel's back? (2)

Megane (129182) | about a year ago | (#41166561)

But how would we sneak in SCADA viruses to break their centrifuges, if not through games downloaded from Steam?

Re:The straw that breaks the camel's back? (1)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about a year ago | (#41166677)

But clearly they need those nuclear power plants to power all of those computers.

Re:The straw that breaks the camel's back? (0)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year ago | (#41166707)

Should give them game access, it's called a back door. NSA is going to be knocking on Blizzard's door anytime now.

Oh great (4, Insightful)

aaaaaaargh! (1150173) | about a year ago | (#41166489)

The US has just pissed off a few hundred more Iranians. Ahmadinejad couldn't be more happy.

Re:Oh great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166833)

The US has just pissed off a few hundred more Iranians.

Not just Iranians. Wanna bet which country US will attack next?

Wait a sec... (2)

biochozo (2700157) | about a year ago | (#41166491)

I have a feeling that bored Iranian computer savvy individuals, newly irritated with United States foreign policy, could backfire.

Re:Wait a sec... (4, Informative)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year ago | (#41166801)

WOW-player and computer-savvy are two different things.

Re:Wait a sec... (1)

biochozo (2700157) | about a year ago | (#41167263)

Obviously, but point being that the WoW group is more likely within the range of computer savvy individuals.

Lists to check (3, Interesting)

dtmos (447842) | about a year ago | (#41166515)

The Bureau of Industry and Security [doc.gov] , US Department of Commerce, is the place to go to see the appropriate regulations. See, especially, the Export Administration Regulations [doc.gov] , the Commerce Control List (especially), and the Lists to Check [doc.gov] list. (Yes, there are so many lists that the lists themselves have a list.)

Re:Lists to check (1)

mcfatboy93 (1363705) | about a year ago | (#41166987)

These lists are all posted in the list room. YES, the US goverment has a list room. Very similar to the chart room. If you have any questions please reffer to this list so you can find the appropriate room.

WoW still hasn't gone F2P? (1)

BMOC (2478408) | about a year ago | (#41166575)

Wouldn't F2P solve this situation since there is no business transaction?

Re:WoW still hasn't gone F2P? (1)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | about a year ago | (#41166785)

Sort of. F2P up to level 20. When max level is 85, that's pretty worthless.

WoW, a REAL idiot! (-1, Flamebait)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about a year ago | (#41166869)

Yeah, lets solve all Blizzard business troubles by making their entire business model to give their game and services away for free with no business transactions at all!

F2P, we loose money on every gamer but make it up in bulk.

What a moron. And if you comment on how F2P leads to cash sales... exactly how would those not be blocked by sanctions as business transactions? I had hoped I would not need to point this out on a tech forum but apparently I do.

Please BMOC, nominate yourself for a Darwin award soon.

Re:WoW, a REAL idiot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167059)

You have issues not to mention a bad grasp on the English language. Step away from the keyboard for a few minutes... things will get better.

Re:WoW, a REAL idiot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167075)

Please take an anger management course sometime soon. It would benefit us as much as it would benefit you.

Re:WoW, a REAL idiot! (1)

BMOC (2478408) | about a year ago | (#41167239)

Yeah, lets solve all Blizzard business troubles by making their entire business model to give their game and services away for free with no business transactions at all!

F2P, we loose money on every gamer but make it up in bulk.

What a moron. And if you comment on how F2P leads to cash sales... exactly how would those not be blocked by sanctions as business transactions? I had hoped I would not need to point this out on a tech forum but apparently I do.

Please BMOC, nominate yourself for a Darwin award soon.

Ah, WoW, afaik, still has the largest userbase of any MMO, or very near the largest. There's lots of smaller games that survive and even thrive on the freemium model. I don't think Blizzard has anything to fear from going F2P if they haven't already. As you said, they would be better suited to make it up in bulk.

Oh, and, why you so angry?

Re:WoW still hasn't gone F2P? (1)

Obsi (912791) | about a year ago | (#41166889)

I would think not; I would think it to be handled by export admins as a business transaction for $0.

Re:WoW still hasn't gone F2P? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167097)

https://www.molten-wow.com/

that's F2P

Re:WoW still hasn't gone F2P? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167211)

As sourceforge isn't available in Iran either, I don't think that this could solve anything

Re:WoW still hasn't gone F2P? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#41167267)

Why would they forgo their entire revenue stream to pander to a tiny sliver of their total user population?

Blizzard is not telling the truth. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166577)

There have been no recent changes that would require them to no longer provide WOW in Iran.

Re:Blizzard is not telling the truth. (2, Interesting)

vlm (69642) | about a year ago | (#41167091)

There have been no recent changes that would require them to no longer provide WOW in Iran.

Its a widely held, but completely wrong, belief that US companies can't do business with/in Iran. Totally false. We mostly export "bad stuff" to them like tobacco products, corn, soy... the kind of stuff we use to sicken and poison our own walmart-ian underclass. So thats kind of weird. We also export stereotypical medical stuff to Iran. No one wants TV stories about how the state dept slowly killed a cute little Iranian kid by denying export of some obscure medical pill. Well, maybe it would play at the republican convention but in general it would be bad PR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-United_States_relations#Economic_relations [wikipedia.org]

It is, however, expensive with endless forms and licenses to fill out. All you need is a PHB to decide, "The paperwork isn't worth the profit" and its done. If there were a million profitable subscribers I'm sure they'd still be playing WOW right now, but if the legal compliance costs exceed gross revenue from just a couple gamers (which sounds extremely likely) then ....

what happened to free markets (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166743)

america is a bunch of hypocritical bullshit

That's what you get for going rogue, Iran. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166919)

Iran - the Leeroy Jenkins of nation states.

BOO FUCKING HOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41166927)

Screw those guys!

Blizzard sux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167031)

Seriously, nothing but trouble from Blizzard, I learned my lesson the first time.
Now I just remind people about that first time, people forget Blizzard's history and buy more crap from them.

I look at this story and laugh, who couldn't see some stupid crap like this coming? Blizzard will always be blocking something alright-- it's users.

As an aside, Why are there domains with .ir if we're blocking Iran?

IR domain names can be freely registered but there are some restrictions for registering Second-level domains :

ac.ir – academic (tertiary education and research establishments) and learned societies.
co.ir – commercial/companies
gov.ir – government (Islamic Republic of Iran)
id.ir – personal, every one have National Number from Islamic Republic of Iran
net.ir – ISPs and network companies approved by IRTCT
org.ir – non-profit organizations
sch.ir – schools, primary and secondary education

Oh I see, "we're" not blocking Iran, Blizzard is.

Someone's integrity is a shitpile anyway you look at it,

The State Dept, NED, Freedom House or Blizzard

All of em are shit, I say.

go ahead and play your stupid fucking game. Oh wait, if your in IRAN you can't.
Ya know, I don't really give a crap if they want to block Iran, but the question I wonder is why the fuck did they lay a cable to Iran to connect them up in the first place if they are so fucking hostile? Or is it like I say, one big fucking lie. State Dept - to sub pieces of shit like NED - to even sub sub like Freedom House or Freedom XYZ.. Pussy Riot, why not block Russia too Blizzard? China Too? Korea too?

Hell I'll fuckin help ya with your IPTables..

0.0.0.0/8
1.1.1.1/8 ... repeat this pattern
255.255.255.255/8

Now ya don't have to worry about shit, no packets from Iran.

Now they can become... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167035)

productive members of their society.

as the gamers get older (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167137)

they should realize, just as in a country south of Florida, that there is a responsibility on their part as to whether they will be supporters of the status quo, or just complacent, or whether they have a responsibility to take their destiny in their hands and participate in making change happen.

I have relatives that fled that country south of Florida and support in various ways the downfall of its current leader(s), and they in turn have relatives still in-country that support their position, and at the same time have relatives that have a devotion and reverence and fully support the current leader(s).

You live in a situation where your leaders are antithetic to freedom, it is your responsibility to effect change. Whining over ability to play a game shows how effectively your/their leaders are able to distract certain parts of the populace.

Oracle Has Done This For Years (1)

brningpyre (2114648) | about a year ago | (#41167199)

I remember reading the agreement for using an Oracle 10g client a few years back, and one section was that you can't have been born, or be a resident in a list of countries, which included Iran. Needless to say, my friend (who was born in Iran and held dual citizenship) just installed and ran it anyway.

VPN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41167261)

Quit whining and set up a fucking vpn.

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