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Side-Effect of the Apple v. Samsung Trial: Increased Sales for Samsung

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the would-like-a-slice-of-samsung-pie dept.

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New submitter jbernardo writes "There seems to be an interesting side-effect of the flawed jury verdict of last Friday — Samsung sales have surged. Even with the approach of the launch of Apple's new iPhone, the Galaxy SIII is sold out in many stores, and there is a measurable increase in sales, according to Trip Chowdhry, the managing director of equity research at Global Equities Research, cited in Forbes. Maybe Apple really managed to convince its customers that Samsung phones are equivalent or better, so they are being overcharged? Or is it a rush to buy the currently best smartphone in the market in case there is an injunction on its sale in the U.S. any time soon?"

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Streisand effect? (5, Interesting)

Reibisch (1261448) | about 2 years ago | (#41180859)

At this scale? That'd be interesting.

Re:Streisand effect? (4, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#41180893)

Fairly sure it's not because of the trial.
There's a lot of factors to consider.

Re:Streisand effect? (2)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41180929)

My intuition is that this bump is not due to people switching from apple to Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up a couple people who would have otherwise gone htc, moto, etc.

Fairly sure it's because of the trial (5, Interesting)

gentryx (759438) | about 2 years ago | (#41180979)

...and the coverage in the news. Here [google.com] is a nice story on how people react on the verdict.

Re:Streisand effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41180985)

Fairly sure it's not because of the trial.
There's a lot of factors to consider.

By all means, feel free to point some of the more likely ones out.

Re:Streisand effect? (3, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#41181247)

Samsung has become more trendy independent of this trial.

The public is fickle and Samsung is their new fad. This was something that you might have noticed before this judgement was handing down. This influenced my local iFan to defect from iPhone to G3.

Access to a Samsung tablet also helped. That access was enabled by the fact that a smaller Android tablet represents more of an impulse buy. It's something that is cheap enough that someone might buy it just to try it out.

Now the iFan wants a full sized Galaxy Tab and doesn't pay much attention to her iPad anymore.

Re:Streisand effect? (2)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 2 years ago | (#41181471)

Why do you think Samsung phones being popular is a trend or fad? Maybe they're actually making good phones that do what people want.

Re:Streisand effect? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181687)

Why do you think Samsung phones being popular is a trend or fad? Maybe they're actually making good phones that do what people want.

Long term, pretty much everything is a fad.

Re:Streisand effect? (5, Interesting)

EdIII (1114411) | about 2 years ago | (#41180987)

Not really all that many factors.

It is supposed to be a kick ass Android product. Pretty good chance it will be banned from sales in the future.

I can easily see people that might have waited otherwise rushing to get it now before they can't. What's the alternative? Apple??

Yeah, right. There are quite a number of people out there that would sooner die then choose Apple because of their shiny retarded walled garden approach to computing. I'll go back to a clamshell phone before I choose Apple for anything.

I don't know what Apple is thinking here. People that want Apple, largely have it. People that will never choose Apple are not going to embrace them, especially if they approach competition like this. Nobody likes to be forced.

Re:Streisand effect? (5, Interesting)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41181067)

How is there a 'pretty good chance' of the G3 being banned when it wasn't ruled infringing and isn't part of the list that Apple is asking to be blocked?

apparently apple can ask for it to be added (1)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#41181179)

There is apparently some procedure whereby apple could ask for it to be added to the list. I assume there would be some sort of judgement required as to whether or not it is similar enough to any banned devices.

Re:Streisand effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181087)

They don't want you they just want Samsung to stop skinning Android as a wholesale ripoff of iOS.

Re:Streisand effect? (3, Informative)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about 2 years ago | (#41181309)

Have you used an S3?

Re:Streisand effect? (2)

dimeglio (456244) | about 2 years ago | (#41181151)

It's simply, imho, a question of what's the newest and greatest. At this time, Apple has the iPhone 4S and Samsung recently released the SIII. It should be popular since people are attracted to new things. Once the iPhone 5 is out and if it has enough of a cool factor, perhaps we'll see another switch in who's on top...

Re:Streisand effect? (0, Troll)

docmordin (2654319) | about 2 years ago | (#41181161)

There are quite a number of people out there that would sooner die then choose Apple because of their shiny retarded walled garden approach to computing. I'll go back to a clamshell phone before I choose Apple for anything.

The obvious hyperbole aside, unless, of course, you were serious and do know of people with such obvious mental deficiencies, it is a bit rich that you would opt for a phone that is more limited and, likely, locked down than an iPhone.

Re:Streisand effect? (3, Insightful)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41181259)

kettle? black much?

Calling hyperbole on something that could be true, then upping that hyperbole by asserting people who would vote with their wallets are mentally deficient seems a bit.. erhm.... Tacky. No?

Me? I havent liked Apple, ever. Nothing about their products strikes me as being desirable. Then again, I am a total nerd. I would go back to a clamshell too if the only touch devices on the market were made by Apple. I would do it out of spite. Since I exist, it is likely that others exist, so the OP's statement may not be such hyperbole.

What I take exception to is being called mentally deficient. I dont care if Apple's phone came with a hotline app straight to God himself. I wouldn't buy it. My choice to do so is motivated by Apple's (VERY LONG) history of spurious barratry and legal shenanigans. I believe that such litigiousness is the root cause of many of my country's problems, and will not willingly support that behavior. If that means buying an inferior phone, so be it.

Re:Streisand effect? (0, Troll)

docmordin (2654319) | about 2 years ago | (#41181487)

What I take exception to is being called mentally deficient.

If you would rather die than choosing an iPhone, be it under any circumstance, as the original poster did not specify, my statement stands: you, let alone anyone else, would clearly exhibit a dearth of faculties, as you would be willing to forfeit your existence over something so trivial as a piece of technology.

Re:Streisand effect? (2)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41181701)

I didnt say that.

I said I would use an inferior phone. More hyperbole?

Re:Streisand effect? (1, Funny)

AK Marc (707885) | about 2 years ago | (#41181563)

What I take exception to is being called mentally deficient. I dont care if Apple's phone came with a hotline app straight to God himself. I wouldn't buy it.

An emotional response that completely overwhelms logic does indicate a mental deficiency of some kind.

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41181667)

And quoting out of context, without the rationale behind the statement is specious.

Or, do you have a mental deficiency that prevents you from seeing the logic behind why I do not want to buy apple products, even when clearly written for you?

Re:Streisand effect? (0)

guyniraxn (1579409) | about 2 years ago | (#41181717)

An emotional response that completely overwhelms logic does indicate a mental deficiency of some kind.

Are you saying women are mentally deficient?

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

Intropy (2009018) | about 2 years ago | (#41181273)

One presumes the phones in question have markedly different prices as well.

Re:Streisand effect? (2)

gmack (197796) | about 2 years ago | (#41181379)

The obvious hyperbole aside, unless, of course, you were serious and do know of people with such obvious mental deficiencies, it is a bit rich that you would opt for a phone that is more limited and, likely, locked down than an iPhone.

Likely what? Have you never used a Samsung? It is as capable as any other Android phone I've used. You are free to transfer files over USB.or WiFi and there is nothing stopping you from installing apps without using the app store.

On top of that, they don't lock their boot loader so if you don't like their software rooting or installing a custom version of android is very simple.

How does any of that qualify as locked down?

Re:Streisand effect? (0)

docmordin (2654319) | about 2 years ago | (#41181641)

How does any of that qualify as locked down?

The answer to that is easy: most clamshell phones, e.g.,

http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-A157ZKAATT [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-U365HAAVZW [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-T159YKBTMB [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-R270KRAUSC [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-R220ZSADYN [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-M370BAASPR [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-A197ZKAATT [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-T245LSATFN [samsung.com]
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SCH-R261WRAXAR [samsung.com]

don't run Android, have no way to install applications, etc. In fact, there are only two that do, currently, run the Android OS: the Aquos Hybrid 007SH and the Samsung W999

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about 2 years ago | (#41181589)

more limited and, likely, locked down than an iPhone

Apple makes the best FUD. And I'm a gourmet.

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

ewibble (1655195) | about 2 years ago | (#41181209)

What would be ironic if Android phone sales where band in the US only, after years of delaying movies releases into other markets. So US consumers can feel hard done by, by there own laws. What I hope for is that companies like Google start to realise that the patient system is not in there best interest and start to campaign for its overhaul.

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41181277)

There are quite a number of people out there that would sooner die then choose Apple because of their shiny retarded walled garden approach to computing.

In fact, I know quite a few people that won't choose Apple because of their walled garden, but don't even know what that is, or that the iStuff have one.

People just try both phones, and one you can configure, add all kinds of different things, and have a lot of similar apps to choose from, in the other you just can't, can't and don't. People don't need even knowledge of IT or business practices to notice that.

Now that I've tought about it, that's how Apple lost in the PC too.

Re:Streisand effect? (0, Troll)

iamhassi (659463) | about 2 years ago | (#41181501)

There are quite a number of people out there that would sooner die then choose Apple because of their shiny retarded walled garden approach to computing.

In fact, I know quite a few people that won't choose Apple because of their walled garden, but don't even know what that is, or that the iStuff have one.

People just try both phones, and one you can configure, add all kinds of different things, and have a lot of similar apps to choose from, in the other you just can't, can't and don't. People don't need even knowledge of IT or business practices to notice that.

Now that I've tought about it, that's how Apple lost in the PC too.

That's ironic, because I actually like the walled garden. On the consumer side I don't have to worry about viruses or spyware or other garbage android has been known for, and on the developer side I rest easy knowing most people are not stealing my apps. It's a win-win.

Re:Streisand effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181643)

I'll go back to a clamshell phone before I choose Apple for anything.

You know what? A dual-touch-screen clamshell smartphone. Sort of like a Nintendo DS, but with fewer buttons. Expensive as hell? Sure, what with the two capacitive screens. But I could see that working, assuming Android was rewritten to account for it...

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

P-niiice (1703362) | about 2 years ago | (#41181249)

For me the factor is: "Apple will never get a cent of my money" and it's time for my upgrade, so it's a pretty new Galaxy S3 for me!

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41181505)

I think you can get an iPhone 3GS for free with contact... So you can meet your criteria but also have an iPhone. Alternatively, if you buy an unlocked phone on Craigslist or whatever, then no worries about the money going to apple.

Re:Streisand effect? (1)

mSparks43 (757109) | about 2 years ago | (#41181369)

I'm fairly sure it is because of the trial.

As I read the headlines all I could think of is...

"So Apple have just proved Samsung stuff is the same", "WoW, that's goona hurt their brand recognition".

Apple: foot meet mouth.

Apple will probably lose 10 times the judgement in sales now all there media led clientÃle have officially been told there is nothing special about Apple products you can't buy cheaper elsewhere.

Yes. (3, Funny)

JCCyC (179760) | about 2 years ago | (#41180927)

Cue Nelson Muntz laugh.

Apple is Evil (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41180879)

Maybe people got tired of using the anal dildo of an aids infected sociopath as a cell phone.

Steve Jobs is responsible for more cases of ear herpes than Sarah Palin's whore of a daughter.

People Worried? (5, Insightful)

Techmeology (1426095) | about 2 years ago | (#41180881)

Law of unexpected consequences: Perhaps people are worried that Samsung devices will become unavailable?

Re:People Worried? (1)

JWW (79176) | about 2 years ago | (#41180991)

This. Exactly. People who want Samsung devices are moving now out of fear that the currently on sale devices will be pulled.

Re:People Worried? (1, Interesting)

Machtyn (759119) | about 2 years ago | (#41181143)

For those who don't want to live in the Apple-verse, would like a little more freedom with their devices and apps, and want one of the best Android devices on the market, this is an obvious move. I understand that Apple wishes to protect its properties, but this limits customer choice. They did, after all, get a nearly 5 year headstart with their devices, made billions of dollars from sales and continued cross-market promotions, etc. But Apple won't make one dime off of me.

Re:People Worried? (5, Informative)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41181535)

How does it limit customer choice? Samsung will go back to the drawing board and come out with some killer features that don't infringe. Wouldn't that be more customer choice?

Re:People Worried? (2)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 2 years ago | (#41181661)

Killer new features on phones that don't infringe on Apple's patents in question (while disallowing prior art as this jury did) would be nearly impossible, considering the actual areas Apple was complaining about.

Icon shape and dispersion? Jeez.

Bias (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41180931)

flawed jury verdict

Apple's new shinny

the currently best smartphone in the market

Whoever wrote this made it a touch too clear their loathing for Apple and preference for Samsung.

Re:Bias (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41180969)

Agreed. Here's a wholly anti-Samsung piece to even things out:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2012/08/26/devils-advocates-play-up-sympathy-for-samsung-after-apple-trial/ [roughlydrafted.com]

Re:Bias (2)

Baloroth (2370816) | about 2 years ago | (#41181095)

Haha, thanks for linking to that article, it's quite a hoot to read.

if you read anything about the legal skirmish between Apple and Samsung, and replace “patent infringement” with “real estate title arguments,” the entire argument of the IP communists collapses into dust.

"IP communists"? Really? I think that insult is about 30 years out of date. The irony here, of course, is that copying someone else's product and outselling them doing so is perhaps the ultimate capitalist move.

Re:Bias (1, Interesting)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41180971)

And that is just fine. Opinions are meant to be shared. Goodness knows the apple crowd is very vocal with theirs.

Just remember that loathing apple does not spontaneously elevate the one doing the loathing to Samsung Fanboi.

Re:Bias (1)

jbernardo (1014507) | about 2 years ago | (#41181229)

Loathing for Apple's usage of lawsuits and nonsense patents as a way to protect its business?

Guilty as charged.

Preference for the Galaxy S3 in this moment in time?

Guilty as charged.

I admit, I'm biased. If that is your definition of bias.

But if I could afford it, I'd have a Asus transformer tablet, and I've had HTC, Nokia and Sony-Ericsson smart and feature phones. I have no loyalty to any company. But I can loathe a company that tries to stop competition with frivolous lawsuits, that copies everything and patents the most obvious stuff to stop others doing the same, blocking innovation the same way James Watt's patents blocked the evolution of the steam engine for 30 years.

galaxy s 3 shouldn't be under the banhammer. (5, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41180937)

galaxy s 3 shouldn't be under the banhammer - however it's been on the news due to this a lot.

it's more likely it's something to do with start of school year though.

To ban or not to ban... (4, Insightful)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 2 years ago | (#41180943)

Maybe Apple really managed to convince its customers that Samsung phones are equivalent or better, so they are being overcharged? Or is it a rush to buy the currently best smartphone in the market in case there is an injunction on its sale in the US any time soon?"

It's the latter. Hell, I have been asked (as someone who is known for reading a tech blog or two) if one should worry about their *existing* handset being taken away or somehow immobilized, thanks to the verdict. People just don't get what is going on, and some of them who interpreted the news coverage as an ad for Samsung, saw the "banned sales" headlines and rushed out to buy devices. Hey, if they are worth banning, they must be good right? Just like (make-believe) gun bans threatened in the wake of certain political parties, or bans on the sale of incandescent light bulbs. People react strangely, and they almost NEVER react in favor of whatever it is that the government/courts/etc. threaten to, they do the opposite.

Re:To ban or not to ban... (1)

Machtyn (759119) | about 2 years ago | (#41181233)

I don't think the premise to the question is correct. I'm thinking the rush is to get some of the better Android devices before sales are discontinued. Not that Apple has convinced anyone that a Samsung device is better.

People do react strangely, but one thing about this is not strange - if a desired item is threatened by banning, then that item will see an increase in sales. People want Samsung devices, Said device is about to leave market, better get one before their gone. People want guns. Guns are under constant threat of being confiscated, better stock up before they are no longer available. Incandescent bulbs are going to be discontinued. After a certain time you won't be able to buy them, better stock up now and have years supply of them. (Especially if you live in a cold winter climate.)

Remember, folks (3, Funny)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about 2 years ago | (#41181601)

Just like (make-believe) gun bans threatened in the wake of certain political parties,

Apple phones don't kill people, SAMSUNG PHONES DO.

Re:To ban or not to ban... (1)

steelfood (895457) | about 2 years ago | (#41181663)

It's a bit of both. Some people see the ban hammer coming down, and are rushing to beat it before it gets banned. People who were waiting to buy, for example, because of tight budgets, or because somebody's birthday or anniversary is too far away, are realizing that they can't afford to wait anymore.

At the same time, a lot of people see the verdict as Apple == Samsung, or more importantly, Samsung == Apple. Why bother shelling out extra for the Apple device and pay the Apple Tax if the Samsung one is exactly the same.

Heh heh. And the best part is, not only will this equivalence association be stuck in everybody's heads long after Samsung comes out with non-infringing devices, but because the Samsung devices have more features than Apple's devices, the perception can only go up. The only way Samsung can screw it all up is by releasing a completely crappy flagship device, which won't happen as long as Android belongs to Google.

Many factors to consider here... (5, Insightful)

cynop (2023642) | about 2 years ago | (#41180959)

The trial was only one of the factors to consider here. The overall growth of the android ecosystem should be accounted for. Also keep in mind that smartphone sales are surging overall ( http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/more-than-half-of-all-handsets-will-be-smartphones-in-2013/ [arstechnica.com] ) so it makes sense for Samsung's phones to sell more.

It would help to see the recent sales figures of other notable android manufacturers like HTC and LG to decide if the exposure from the trial had a noticeable effect

Could that post be more biased? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41180965)

I may not know enough about patent law to argue one way about the quality of the jury verdict, but I can say that your statement regarding Samsung phones as "currently best smartphone in the market" is purely subjective (and in my opinion flat wrong).

Re:Could that post be more biased? (4, Informative)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#41181153)

Yeah, but it is important to many geeks to believe that whatever they personally like is the objective best.. which is why you see so many rants about the inferiority of the competition or how people are only buying the other product because they are brainwashed or stupid or image conscious or any other number of reasons that assist in the speaker having to confront the idea that intelligent people can like different things.

Wow, run on sentence....

Re:Could that post be more biased? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#41181315)

Newer hardware is likely faster and spiffier.

This is no great revelation.

Re:Could that post be more biased? (4, Informative)

Nertskull (2535776) | about 2 years ago | (#41181159)

I think the implication is to say the phone itself is best based on specs. I agree "best" in terms of which OS you like is subjective. But the physical specs of the phone currently are the best available. That will obviously change soon. But a 4 core 1.4ghz processor vs a 2 core 0.8ghz processor is "better" in terms of core specifications.

Re:Could that post be more biased? (1, Interesting)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about 2 years ago | (#41181181)

Pick an objective measure where the Galaxy S3 is not one of, if not the best.

Re:Could that post be more biased? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41181363)

The launcher sucks.

Pentile screen.

Re:Could that post be more biased? (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about 2 years ago | (#41181417)

Saying the launcher sucks isn't objective, but I'm not qualified to quibble there as it's worlds better than the awful Blur launcher I had on my MB-300. :)

Pentile you might have a point, but I haven't seen what the big fuss is about personally... It still bigger and looks better than my wife's iPhone 4S.

Re:Could that post be more biased? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41181575)

... and it's actually replaceable ... by a non-technical user, by simply installing an app.

Just bought mine (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41180997)

I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 even though it wasn't a part of the lawsuit or a ruling against the Samsung Galaxy Tab line. I had been scouting it out for a few months now. Even though I disagree with the ruling, I wanted to buy it before an increase in price due to licensing fees, in case Samsung decides to license the technologies that were borderline borrowed from Apple.

Unethical behavior (1)

zmooc (33175) | about 2 years ago | (#41181035)

Now that the trial has ended and everybody has had the chance to inform themselves what it was about, tech-savvy potential Apple customers looking to buy a high tech tablet flee to Samsung since they no longer want to be associated with the unethical behavior exhibited by Apple?

Re:Unethical behavior (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41181323)

I doubt this has much to do with "ethical behavior". More likely, quite a few people have suddenly found out that Apple is not the only choice for smartphones & tablets, and that its competitors are actually good enough that Apple is worried about them.

Oh man, I can't wait for the Apple Shinny! (2, Funny)

InvisibleClergy (1430277) | about 2 years ago | (#41181039)

Is it gonna be a tablet? A phone? A prosthetic limb? The iShinny, the new iProsthetic iLimb from Apple.

Re:Oh man, I can't wait for the Apple Shinny! (1)

pnot (96038) | about 2 years ago | (#41181115)

I think it's going to be the iProduct [aboyandhiscomputer.com] .

Re:Oh man, I can't wait for the Apple Shinny! (1)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#41181567)

Will Apple's new shinny be shiny?

Scarcity Drives Sales (4, Insightful)

torkus (1133985) | about 2 years ago | (#41181065)

Title says it all. How many people did you know bought a Wii because they "saw it in stock somewhere" and figured they should get it while they had the chance?

Apple's trying to slam down the banhammer on Samsung so of course it drives up perceived scarcity (or scarcity-to-be). Same reason every single sale is 'limited time, act now or miss out' and so on.

Also keep in mind Apple gave Samsung tons of free publicity. I'm comfortable saying that anyone who uses a cell phone knows what an iPhone is, but until now not as many people knew Samsung sells such 'obviously similiar' products. They sure do now. Oh, and they're cheaper? Wait...maybe I should run out and get one while I still can. People who follow tech trials are also plenty fed up with patent nonsense so heck, let's support the underdog. They tend to innovate better anyhow.

So really, I'm not surprised at all.

Re:Scarcity Drives Sales (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41181199)

Most people buy their phones on contract with subsidized prices. In that case the price is pretty much identical between the iPhone and the comparable Samsung offering.

Re:Scarcity Drives Sales (1, Troll)

booch (4157) | about 2 years ago | (#41181371)

Title says it all.

Then why did you continue writing 11 more sentences?

Re:Scarcity Drives Sales (2)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41181611)

How are they cheaper? Apple has phones at $100 / 200 / 300 price points. This is pretty standard across the board.

What's a 'shinny' ? (2)

tekrat (242117) | about 2 years ago | (#41181127)

"Even with the approach of the launch of Apple's new shinny,..."

Is this some kind of iKnee replacement? It's a shin-bone that plays music and accesses Siri? I've never of this product.... Please advise.

Re:What's a 'shinny' ? (1)

oldmac31310 (1845668) | about 2 years ago | (#41181205)

Everybody knows it should be Apple's new iShinny. Jeez.

Re:What's a 'shinny' ? (1)

wierd_w (1375923) | about 2 years ago | (#41181357)

Google should name their next Android release "Apple Pie."

Histrionics should ensue!

Re:What's a 'shinny' ? (1)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41181633)

No can do, because the next release has to start with a k. I doubt they'll license Krispy Kreme.

Re:What's a 'shinny' ? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 2 years ago | (#41181697)

That would have to have been the first release ... or the twenty seventh perhaps.

Lets hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181183)

That Samsung doesn't get any bans in the U.S. As long as they can keep selling, honestly, that 1 billion may have been well spent. And lets not forget, that they are appealing. This will be in the courts for years, all the way to the supreme court, which I am sure will side with Apple as 5 out of 9 of them are probably on Apples payroll in some way.

In any event, Apple is unlikely to ever get any money, and if Samsung gets no ban, then Apple wasted time/money for nothing and in the process probably helped Samsung.

I feel no sorrow that Steve Jobs is turning over in his grave. Greed doesn't pay.

The Register says exact opposite (4, Informative)

Sooner Boomer (96864) | about 2 years ago | (#41181193)

On 30th August 2012 00:44 GMT, there was an article on The Register titled "Customers dumping Samsung phones in wake of Apple suit"

Apple CEO Tim Cook might be pleased with the verdict in his company's recent patent legislation against Samsung, but Samsung customers are definitely not, according to the market watchers at mobile phone trade-in firm Gazelle. "Consumers seem to be jumping ship," Anthony Scarsella, Gazelle's "chief gadget officer," told MarketWatch. "We expect this trend to continue, especially with this latest verdict." Scarsella says his company, which buys used mobile phones from consumers, has seen a 50 per cent increase in the number of customers looking to unload Samsung kit since Monday alone. The sudden upsurge in supply has led Gazelle to drop the prices it pays for Samsung mobiles by 10 per cent.

So which is it? Buying or dumping?

Re:The Register says exact opposite (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 2 years ago | (#41181381)

On 30th August 2012 00:44 GMT, there was an article on The Register titled "Customers dumping Samsung phones in wake of Apple suit"

Apple CEO Tim Cook might be pleased with the verdict in his company's recent patent legislation against Samsung, but Samsung customers are definitely not, according to the market watchers at mobile phone trade-in firm Gazelle.

"Consumers seem to be jumping ship," Anthony Scarsella, Gazelle's "chief gadget officer," told MarketWatch. "We expect this trend to continue, especially with this latest verdict."

Scarsella says his company, which buys used mobile phones from consumers, has seen a 50 per cent increase in the number of customers looking to unload Samsung kit since Monday alone. The sudden upsurge in supply has led Gazelle to drop the prices it pays for Samsung mobiles by 10 per cent.

So which is it? Buying or dumping?

In the case you cite, it's just speculation by a non-expert backed up by data with an unreasonably small sample size.

Re:The Register says exact opposite (4, Insightful)

Shatrat (855151) | about 2 years ago | (#41181457)

Also, consumers selling old samsung phones does not contradict consumers buying new samsung phones.
In fact, I would guess that many of those people bought a Galaxy S3 and then sold their Galaxy 1 or 2.

Re:The Register says exact opposite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181521)

Also, chances are that those are people that are just selling off their older Samsung phones to get the newer Samsung phones while they still can. This is just observations based on a company that deals in mostly older phones. Not really a newsworthy source.

Re:The Register says exact opposite (1)

jbernardo (1014507) | about 2 years ago | (#41181463)

That article in the Register is basically quoting a small reseller of used phones, which has found an excuse to try to pay less for Samsung kit. But the Reg lately will post anything that might get them visits, and if it is pro-apple even better.

Re:The Register says exact opposite (2)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about 2 years ago | (#41181493)

Both?

Perhaps they're dumping their old Samsung phone so that they can buy something new. Or perhaps they believe they won't be able to legally resell the phone later, so they'd better act now.

Re:The Register says exact opposite (1)

steelfood (895457) | about 2 years ago | (#41181513)

I'd trust The Register as far as I can throw them, collectively. Forget the sensationalism, the spin, and the overall yellow hue that's all over all their articles. They often speculate, which not surprisingly ends up being incorrect nine times out of ten.

I don't trust the mainstream stuff completely either. But at least it's actual journalism instead of guesswork.

Re:The Register says exact opposite (1)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#41181615)

So, they're dumping their used Samsungs. Who's to say they're not doing so just the get a newer Samsung sooner?

Unlikely people are afraid of an injunction (2)

atlasdropperofworlds (888683) | about 2 years ago | (#41181203)

> Or is it a rush to buy the currently best smartphone in the market in case there is an injunction on its sale in the US any time soon?

No. The S3 is not listed as one of the phones and injunction is going against. It's the S, and S2 variants. The S3, Nexus. and others are in the clear.

Re:Unlikely people are afraid of an injunction (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181295)

No. The S3 is not listed as one of the phones and injunction is going against. It's the S, and S2 variants. The S3, Nexus. and others are in the clear.

And how many people know that? How many people think that all Samsung phones are about to be banned?

Re:Unlikely people are afraid of an injunction (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41181351)

Nexus is involved in the next Apple v. Samsung lawsuit in the pipeline, and I believe S3 is, as well. Given where the current one has ended up, it's certainly a reasonable assumption that the next one won't go any better for Sammy. If that's the case, it makes sense to not wait until some preliminary injunction would result in a ban.

Re:Unlikely people are afraid of an injunction (1)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 2 years ago | (#41181541)

Tell that to the people who think "the Cloud" is affected by weather.

From the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181239)

"with the approach of the launch of Apple's new shinny"

This should help clear up this sentence: shinny [wikipedia.org] . Apple is apparently coming out with an informal type of hockey.

People are just noticing the difference (1, Interesting)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#41181261)

Because the Samsung Galaxy S3 phone has been on the front-line news so much, people finally took a good look at it, and realized it's superiority over the iPhone-Toy.

Any news is good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181269)

Apple was right to sue, as people clearly have the impression they're getting equivalent Apple technology by buying Samsung. The publicity surrounding the legal verdict confirms this idea for even more customers. Then the threat that Samsung products will be removed from store shelves spurs even more purchases to be made.

Samsung's shipping phones from itself to itself.. (1)

RocketRabbit (830691) | about 2 years ago | (#41181355)

Probably just playing the same game they play with tablet sales numbers over there at Samsung. They won't tell us how many phones actually sell (unlike Apple) but they claim increased shipments.

How much do you want to bet that Trip is quarterbacking for Samsung?

Fallacy (2, Insightful)

Celarent Darii (1561999) | about 2 years ago | (#41181399)

This is a classic example of the 'post-hoc' ergo 'propter-hoc' fallacy.

The fact that the trial was against Samsung really has very little to do with how many units they sold. People buy stuff mostly because it responds to a (perceived) need, not because some judge in California thinks they stole something from Apple.

If anything it only gave them free advertising, but that doesn't necessarily lead to sales, especially since the advertising is somewhat negative.

Re:Fallacy (5, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 2 years ago | (#41181617)

This is a classic case of someone with a very modest education--but knows some Latin buzz phrases--trying to reach beyond their resources in an attempt to position themselves as superior.

Classic supply and demand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181469)

Anybody who was on the fence is being pushed off. They know that additional supply may not be coming onto the market.

Apple's Response (5, Funny)

theEnguneer (2676207) | about 2 years ago | (#41181525)

According to Apple, this phenomenon is due to the fact that shoppers are actually trying to buy Apple products, but are mistaking Samsung products for them.

Wow. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181647)

You losers never give up. Seriously. You guys look pathetic.

Samsung makes crap. I've never had one of their phones last over a year, let alone 3+ years live I've seen my old iPhones last (as hand me downs to others).

Apple is just getting uglier (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41181653)

They should care about public opinion, it really matters for the "premium" brand. Now Apple looks more like a greedy troll which sends hordes of lawyers against much smaller companies. Was that Steve's main invention? We know that was his idea. Personally I don't want to look like their supporter with iPhone or iPod in my hands. There are alternatives. Even Microsoft looks better now.

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