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Microsoft's Sneak Attack On Apple: SkyDrive, Not Surface

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the as-long-as-it-works-on-my-windows-phone dept.

Businesses 150

New submitter curtwoodward writes "Microsoft won't become a hardware company — unless you count mice and keyboards, former Microsoftie Charlie Kindel argues — because that would mean competing with Apple on its terms. But Kindel says Microsoft may be embarking on a totally new business model by seeding its connected software services across all platforms. You saw more evidence this week with the release of SkyDrive for Android. 'For that to work, it can't just be Windows,' he says. 'As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices.'"

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F1r$t P0$T!11 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182157)

Frosty piss, good sirs. Frosty piss. Thanks! :)

Not a hardware company? (5, Interesting)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 2 years ago | (#41182179)

They really don't think of the Xbox as hardware?

Re:Not a hardware company? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182269)

Or Surface (Either the old Big-Ass-Table, or new Tablet things). But that's missing the author's point. Those are afterthoughts, ways of getting the software out there.

Apple is a hardware company that uses software to move their hardware.

Microsoft is a software company that's now making hardware to move its software.

Re:Not a hardware company? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183225)

Or Surface (Either the old Big-Ass-Table, or new Tablet things). But that's missing the author's point. Those are afterthoughts, ways of getting the software out there.

Apple is a hardware company that uses software to move their hardware.

Microsoft is a software company that's now making hardware to move its software.

That's incorrect. Apple is a Systems company.

Re:Not a hardware company? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183447)

Wasn't it Experience?

Re:Not a hardware company? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183449)

Weird...I've never seen a Microsoft Tablet...I've seen a Samsung and Asus Tablets running Microsoft software...I'm just saying.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

Kalriath (849904) | about 2 years ago | (#41185707)

Are you intentionally dense [microsoft.com] ? This was even covered on fucking Slashdot.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

Plumpaquatsch (2701653) | about 2 years ago | (#41185619)

Or Surface (Either the old Big-Ass-Table, or new Tablet things). But that's missing the author's point. Those are afterthoughts, ways of getting the software out there. Apple is a hardware company that uses software to move their hardware. Microsoft is a software company that's now making hardware to move its software.

Sure, that's why Steve Jobs often quoted Alan Kay in saying, “People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware.”

Because he wanted to hide the "fact" that "Apple is a hardware company that uses software to move their hardware". Sure.

Think about this: do people complain that Apple has too many software or hardware patents?

Re:Not a hardware company? (5, Insightful)

greeze (985712) | about 2 years ago | (#41182285)

I think they think of the Xbox as a platform for which they sell licensing, content, and advertising space. I haven't looked at the numbers, but I'd be surprised if they're making much money on sales of the Xbox hardware alone.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

samkass (174571) | about 2 years ago | (#41182953)

I think they think of the Xbox as a platform for which they sell licensing, content, and advertising space. I haven't looked at the numbers, but I'd be surprised if they're making much money on sales of the Xbox hardware alone.

In fact, they're still pretty far in the red even if you include everything, according to their accumulated quarterly statements since they created the division.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

lilfields (961485) | about 2 years ago | (#41183273)

Xbox turns profitable a few years ago, but the entertainment division is being drug down by Zune and Windows Phone...but Zune is being merged into Xbox and Windows Phone 8 looks pretty promising.

Re:Not a hardware company? (5, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41182325)

I think the distinction lies in where and how the company is making money. Apple, despite taking a cut 30% cut on apps and all its iTunes sales, still makes the vast majority of its profits through physical hardware sales. Microsoft still makes the vast majority of its money through software sales and services. With the Xbox in particular, the opportunity for revenue lies in software and media services, especially as the console is starting to transition into more of a general living room entertainment device rather than a gaming device. Even Microsoft is experimenting with selling the hardware as cheap as possible and subsidizing it with an Xbox live subscription, which hopefully leads to future media purchases.

And as for the surface, I think it's already done its job. The majority of the tablets revealed over the past week by Asus, Samsung, and Sony are all very Surface-like (in that they all focus on hybrid design for work rather than pure content consumption slates), as opposed to being iPad clones like the earlier Android tablet generation. To me, Surface appears to be Microsoft's attempt to steer the tablet space in a different direction rather than an attempt to claim the tablet space with their own hardware.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

hackula (2596247) | about 2 years ago | (#41183505)

It would be a laugh if Surface turned out to be 100% vaporware just to get the OEMs to actually do something. More like a "design standard" than an actual product.

Re:Not a hardware company? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183929)

I don't think it would be funny, but a good business move. There's no point in competing with the OEMs but there's a great incentive to motivate them to move in the right direction.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about 2 years ago | (#41184751)

It would be a laugh if Surface turned out to be 100% vaporware just to get the OEMs to actually do something.

It's called a "queen's duck".

And you're right, Microsoft marketing loves them. They announce some controversial feature, reap millions of dollars worth of free online discussion, and then get to announce that they listen to their customers when they remove the "feature".

Re:Not a hardware company? (5, Funny)

deltaromeo (821761) | about 2 years ago | (#41182463)

They really don't think of the Xbox as hardware?

No, they were thinking outside of the x box

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

trancemission (823050) | about 2 years ago | (#41183575)

Thank you - I was loosing the will to live after reading this article and comments.

Re:Not a hardware company? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41183509)

well, people do tend to associate MS as a sw house even when typing things MS keyboards. the hw is seen just as a tack on to sell the sw experience.

Ohrly? (5, Insightful)

dnaumov (453672) | about 2 years ago | (#41182195)

'As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices."

So what happens when it starts doing "too well" and gets banned from the AppStore for violating it's guidelines?

Re:Ohrly? (4, Insightful)

sinij (911942) | about 2 years ago | (#41182291)

Lawsuits and probably retaliatory banning of itunes from all Win devices. MS isn't some shoestring app. developer.

Re:Ohrly? (2)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 2 years ago | (#41183283)

yeah? 5 years later and the court sides with Apple and demands Apple reinstate Office 2012 on their new 2017 range of devices. Apple shrugs its shoulders and reluctantly complies.....

I can see it being a total lose-lose scenario for Apple...

Re:Ohrly? (1)

Pf0tzenpfritz (1402005) | about 2 years ago | (#41184247)

Lawsuits and probably retaliatory banning of itunes from all Win devices. MS isn't some shoestring app. developer.

How is Windows going to keep me from installing an application - iTunes or not?

(Disclosure: I don't have iTunes installed anywhere and I'll never install it. But I insist on being able to install even iTunes if I feel like it.)

Re:Ohrly? (1)

chakan2 (1106731) | about 2 years ago | (#41184391)

Windows 8 likely can if you are on an RT version. (If I remember correctly, all RT apps must be metro and must come through the Windows app store).

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182329)

'As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices."

So what happens when it starts doing "too well" and gets banned from the AppStore for violating it's guidelines?

The DoJ will start looking at Apple for anti-competitive behavior. It's one thing to screw over a bunch of tiny App developers with your capricious and arbitrary rules, but quite another to screw over the second largest technology company in the world.

Re:Ohrly? (2)

dnaumov (453672) | about 2 years ago | (#41182677)

'As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices."

So what happens when it starts doing "too well" and gets banned from the AppStore for violating it's guidelines?

The DoJ will start looking at Apple for anti-competitive behavior. It's one thing to screw over a bunch of tiny App developers with your capricious and arbitrary rules, but quite another to screw over the second largest technology company in the world.

Anti-competitive behavior is perfectly legal, abusing monopoly powers isn't and Apple does not have a monopoly on smartphones (you could argue they do have a monopoly on tablets though). In fact, App Store guidelines specifically state that apps that directly re-implement a feature already offered by Apple are forbidden. The fact that there are popular apps on the App Store that do this simply means that Apple either hasn't had a pressing need or the guts (due to potential backlash) to shut them down, but they absolutely and definately can and it would be perfectly legal.

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182975)

Since when is anti-competitive behavior legal? Every antitrust suit that has been filed was for anti-competitive behavior.

Re:Ohrly? (1)

dnaumov (453672) | about 2 years ago | (#41183305)

Since when is anti-competitive behavior legal? Every antitrust suit that has been filed was for anti-competitive behavior.

If all anti-competitive behaviour was illegal, the first wave of suits would come directly at the federal goverment of the USA, since various subsidies, protectionism, tariffs and quotas all qualify as anti-competitive behaviour.

Re:Ohrly? (3, Informative)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41183121)

You don't have to have a monopoly to be sued under the Sherman Antitrust Act. Microsoft didn't have one, nor Nintendo when for "blocking competitive software from being sold" on the NES.

Re:Ohrly? (1)

dnaumov (453672) | about 2 years ago | (#41183341)

You don't have to have a monopoly to be sued under the Sherman Antitrust Act. Microsoft didn't have one, nor Nintendo when for "blocking competitive software from being sold" on the NES.

Except that Microsoft DID have a monopoly and afaik, Nintento won that suit.

Re:Ohrly? (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41185365)

Microsoft did not have a monopoly. They did not have 100% of the OS market as there were other options at the time (Mac, Amiga, ST, OS/2, ...). And Nintendo lost the suit, and was forced by the courts to reveal the lockout code so other manufacturers like Atari & Sega could sell games on the NES.

Re:Ohrly? (1)

Rockoon (1252108) | about 2 years ago | (#41184873)

Anti-competitive behavior is perfectly legal, abusing monopoly powers isn't

You seem to have the opposite grasp of anti-trust laws than is reality.

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182681)

Apple is not a monopoly; antitrust law doesn't apply.

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182811)

They are in tablets, thus they apply.

Re:Ohrly? (0)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#41182935)

Look up the word Monopoly sometime.

Re:Ohrly? (1)

Stalks (802193) | about 2 years ago | (#41184807)

Okay [google.co.uk] .

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182835)

Being a monopoly has nothing to do with engaging in Monopolistic behaviors. You can be a monopoly and not get an antitrust suit. You can also be a player in a saturated market and get an antitrust suit.

Re:Ohrly? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#41183807)

You can also be a player in a saturated market and get an antitrust suit

How? (Assuming saturated means no dominant player)

Re:Ohrly? Simple: (4, Funny)

mujadaddy (1238164) | about 2 years ago | (#41182387)

Microsoft sues for anti-trust.

Re:Ohrly? Simple: (4, Funny)

dna_(c)(tm)(r) (618003) | about 2 years ago | (#41182629)

Microsoft sues for anti-trust.

After all, they have irony clad arguments to do that!

Re:Ohrly? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183177)

it won't get banned. the app simply won't be accepted nor rejected
it'll instead remain in the forever limbo of "please revise"
ask any app developer about their fear of this limbo

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183389)

or what happens if it does "too well" and apple hires bank robbers to steal all of microsoft's money.

(this comment has a much basis as the parent)

Re:Ohrly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41185021)

Anti-trust laws.

Hotmail for storage? (2, Informative)

Dan667 (564390) | about 2 years ago | (#41182201)

not sure I need that

Re:Hotmail for storage? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182363)

Maybe you don't but it's a big market for a lot of players. Either you've been asleep or you're just another knee-jerk troll who screams anytime MS is mentioned.

Re:Hotmail for storage? (0, Troll)

Dan667 (564390) | about 2 years ago | (#41182413)

based on microsoft's track record I don't think I would trust them with my data, both reliability and privacy. And I am not sold on the new marketing "cloud". Mainframes have their place, but all the problems with them did not go away just, because they renamed then "the cloud". No on cares about your data as much as you do.

Re:Hotmail for storage? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182599)

Apparently you can't read or couldn't bother to read the other AC's comments. Either that or you are not intelligent enough to follow all of the words. In either case, you are a buffoon and shouldn't share your opinions.

thanks.

Re:Hotmail for storage? (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41183391)

>>>based on microsoft's track record I don't think I would trust them with my data, both reliability and privacy.

But you would trust Google or Apple to keep your stuff private? Hahahahahahahahaahahaha! And let's not forget it was Google who suffered a major crash that lost people's emails, so you can't truth them on reliability either.

Re:Hotmail for storage? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182711)

I'm having a hard time figuring out how they could expect people to want or trust their cloud services.
The concept seems to go against instinct.

http://gigaom.com/2009/10/10/when-cloud-fails-t-mobile-microsoft-lose-sidekick-customer-data/ [gigaom.com]

http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/04/microsoft_kills_playsforsure__screws_over_loyal_customers/ [webmonkey.com]

Re:Hotmail for storage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183943)

Here's why:

o People are cheap: they don't want to buy a NAS or even a 2nd HD

o People can't do math: they can't figure out that x/month eventually costs more than xxx right now

o People are lazy: they want someone else to take responsibility for their stuff

o People are gullible: they think that big companies will take good care of their data

Memo to Microsoft (5, Insightful)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#41182205)

"As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices."

Yes, please. Try fixing MS Office and Outlook for Mac before embarking on a SkyDrive project.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182301)

Someone let Apple know, that Itunes on windows is garbage.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41182371)

Someone let Apple know, that Itunes on windows is garbage.

Is barely worse than iTunes on Mac OS.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182537)

That's what GP was saying. It's garbage.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

jfengel (409917) | about 2 years ago | (#41183185)

That's depressing. Apple usually puts so much effort into its software. iTunes is a key user interface, not just for the music store but also for the iPhone, its big money-maker.

I knew the Windows version sucked. I thought it was because they didn't want to put too much effort into porting it. But it's weird to think that such a crucial piece of software isn't better on its home turf.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#41183827)

Is there a better piece of software to hold up as an example?

Make sure it does *everything* iTunes does.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (2)

jfengel (409917) | about 2 years ago | (#41184093)

I'm not sure if there really is an alternative for *everything* iTunes does. It exists to support a particular proprietary device. But that doesn't mean that the application can be slow, unresponsive, and clunky, as it is in Windows.

I assumed that "slow" and "unresponsive" were due to a mismatch in the threading model, and that "clunky" was just "unfamiliar to a Windows user". (For a long time it was also crash-prone, though that's been fixed, at least for the ways I use it.) But I've heard from multiple Mac users that it's no more familiar to them; it has idiosyncratic ways of doing things that don't match up with their expectations from other Mac software.

I use it because it does the one thing I rely on it to do very well: it downloads podcasts and automatically (more or less) syncs them to my iPod. But it remains slow and unresponsive, and the iTunes Music Store interface for seeking out new podcasts remains barbaric.

Part of the problem may well be that it does *everything* that it does, and that the whole thing needs to be refactored into orthogonal applications. But that's up to them; I don't use most of its features.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (2)

SQLGuru (980662) | about 2 years ago | (#41184431)

The current (soon to be dead [sadly]?) Zune software does a good job. Plenty of reviews (even by sites that favor Apple product) have said as much. And it has parallel features to almost every feature in iTunes (I don't use iTunes, so there may be some obscure ones that it can't match -- but the major features are covered).

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

BLToday (1777712) | about 2 years ago | (#41182375)

They already know, it's part of the plan.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (2)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 years ago | (#41182859)

Someone let Apple know, that Itunes on windows is garbage.

iTunes seems to work fine for me on windows as well as OS X. Maybe you are doing something wrong. Are you trying to run it on a machine with less than 4GB of memory on Windows 7? Two GB of ram is the bare minimum for Windows 7 let alone running other applications. Even with 2 GB or ram, it runs reasonably well in windows with a fairly large library.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

lilfields (961485) | about 2 years ago | (#41183327)

Microsoft should just bite the bullet and license the ability to sync iPhones and iPods on their Xbox Music service...if that's possible anymore, I know for the longest time you could sync music with Winamp, etc. The Zune program is stellar though, such a good media player.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (1)

FitForTheSun (2651243) | about 2 years ago | (#41182497)

"As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices."

Seriously. Microsoft should concentrate on the "work really well" part, and then after that work on the "Apple devices" part.

Re:Memo to Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182691)

"As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices."

Yes, please. Try fixing MS Office and Outlook for Mac before embarking on a SkyDrive project.

I don't know about Office, or Outlook software on OS-X, but I do know the newest update to the Outlook Web Access works GREAT and looks the same on IE, Safari, and Firefox. ...Even Firefox on Linux. It's still Outlook, but at least it WORKS now, where it never did before, so it is no longer totally reliant on Active-X plug ins. Microsoft Outlook still sucks, but this is major progress for them.

Madness! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182209)

That means finally shifting away from its legacy business of licensing operating systems, and instead sprinkling consumer and productivity apps across the new computing ecosystems

It's important to remember that Microsoft didn't start out as an OS vendor. But would you buy a MS app for your iDevice?

Constructive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182253)

Finally, a constructive focus. Well done!

xbox is not hardware,its biologic product.AKA SHIT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182357)

xbox is not hardware, its biologic product.

AKA shit

Oh, the irony (1)

killmenow (184444) | about 2 years ago | (#41182405)

Apple's new internal motto: Mac OS X isn't done until SkyDrive won't run.

Re:Oh, the irony (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 2 years ago | (#41182631)

Apple's new internal motto: Mac OS X isn't done until SkyDrive won't run.

Given Microsoft's long and storied history of writing software for platforms that aren't theirs .. they may do that on their own.

Other than Office for the Mac, which last I heard is largely neglected and not well maintained, I'm not sure I can think of a single application Microsoft ever wrote from scratch with the intent of supporting operating systems other than their own. And definitely not multiple platforms with the same thing.

I'm sure there are examples I just don't know of, but Microsoft hasn't traditionally made a practice of writing code for other environments. I'm sure they have the resources for it, but they don't really have a history of doing it.

I fear in the end they might end up just buying someone who has already taken a stab at it and getting them to retool to their protocols. But, hey, they might surprise us and do something really cool.

But there might be a large percentage of people with Apple devices who ask themselves "why on Earth would I want this from Microsoft?". In which case, this might be doomed to indifference.

Re:Oh, the irony (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41184443)

The problem with Office for Mac is that, even if it's neglected and not maintained, it works better than Office for Windows. More stable, follows OS user interface guidelines better than Office for Windows (or, in fact, most Apple software). Better file compatibility between versions and systems. Faster. Less crashing.

Weird.

Burn These Quotes Into Your Mind! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182453)

Memorable quotes for
Looker (1981)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes [imdb.com]

"John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power."

##

"The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
- Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio [imdb.com]

##

"It's only logical to assume that conspiracies are everywhere, because that's what people do. They conspire. If you can't get the message, get the man." - Mel Gibson (from an interview)

##

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director

##

"The real reason for the official secrecy, in most instances, is not to keep the opposition (the CIA's euphemistic term for the enemy) from knowing what is going on; the enemy usually does know. The basic reason for governmental secrecy is to keep you, the American public, from knowing - for you, too, are considered the opposition, or enemy - so that you cannot interfere. When the public does not know what the government or the CIA is doing, it cannot voice its approval or disapproval of their actions. In fact, they can even lie to your about what they are doing or have done, and you will not know it. As for the second advantage, despite frequent suggestion that the CIA is a rogue elephant, the truth is that the agency functions at the direction of and in response to the office of the president. All of its major clandestine operations are carried out with the direct approval of or on direct orders from the White House. The CIA is a secret tool of the president - every president. And every president since Truman has lied to the American people in order to protect the agency. When lies have failed, it has been the duty of the CIA to take the blame for the president, thus protecting him. This is known in the business as "plausible denial." The CIA, functioning as a secret instrument of the U.S. government and the presidency, has long misused and abused history and continues to do so."
- Victor Marchetti, Propaganda and Disinformation: How the CIA Manufactures History

##

George Carlin:

"The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.

But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

You know what they want? Obedient workers people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.

This country is finished."

##

We now return you Americans to your media: Corporate, Government sponsored and controlled (rigged) elections..

Most of you are all so asleep it's time you woke up!

Exactly so. (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#41182461)

They need to embrace non-windows platforms cause that's where the action is right now.

Once they've destroyed all semblance of competition, THEN they can tighten the noose and force everyone onto Windows.

"work really well on all devices" (1)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#41182533)

So I take this as a threat by Microsoft to make something that "works really well"? How about getting the "works really well" part first, then maybe the "all devices" part.

Re:"work really well on all devices" (1)

lilfields (961485) | about 2 years ago | (#41183347)

I'm fairly sure Microsoft has a skydrive surprise in store around their Xbox music launch.

Too bad (2)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 2 years ago | (#41182555)

Google beat them to the punch with Google Drive. Likewise with reports that after the Samsung spat Google and Apple are talking about sharing their IPs with each other, I dont think Apple has anything to fear with Redmond anymore.

Re:Too bad (3, Informative)

DaHat (247651) | about 2 years ago | (#41182669)

Too bad Microsoft beat them all (Google Drive & iCloud) with Live Mesh back in 2008.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182799)

MobileMe and iDrive easily pre-dates Live Mesh.

Re:Too bad (1)

Kurrelgyre (548338) | about 2 years ago | (#41183105)

Only if July 9, 2008 (MobileMe/iDrive) predates April 23, 2008 (Live Mesh Beta [it never exited beta]). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Mesh [wikipedia.org] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileMe#MobileMe [wikipedia.org]

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41183553)

Epic fail on your part. I suggest you actually read the links you post. iDisk was available in iTools dating back to Mac OS 9 in the 2000-2002 time frame.

Re:Too bad (3, Informative)

quacking duck (607555) | about 2 years ago | (#41183795)

The AC referenced the wrong services, but an Apple service did pre-date Live Mesh.

The MobileMe service replaced .Mac, which replaced iTools. The first version of iDisk was part of iTools, and came out January 2000 (as noted further up the second page you linked to).

The AC inadvertently mentioned a service that preceded even iTools: i-drive [wikipedia.org] launched its online storage service in August 1999.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182701)

are you retarded? skydrive is 5 years old.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182707)

They did? Skydrive was out a really, really long time before Google Drive. Skydrive's desktop sync app was out before G-Drive's (and works better- far fewer resources). The 2013 Web Apps (Word, Excel, PPT, Onenote) are substantially more advanced than Google Docs.

Re:Too bad (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41182745)

Beat them to what punch? Skydrive has been around longer and offers more storage (way more if you've been a user for a while. My account has 25 GB for free), extra space is cheaper, it integrates with more mobile platforms, it integrates with a cloud and desktop office suite... I can't see any reason I would want to use Google Drive over Skydrive.

Re:Too bad (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 2 years ago | (#41183345)

I can't see any reason I would want to use Google Drive over Skydrive.

So Google can do a better job of datamining your life and serving relevant ads?
/snicker

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182949)

What punch. Skydrive offers phenomenal storage (especially for older users) and very potent web apps. Dropbox has its API which makes it useful where Skydrive falls short. Google Drive has... neither? And as for my favorite 'Cloud' implementation - that would be Live Mesh. Which MS sadly seems to be ignoring. Customizing individual folder sync settings is so much more useful than a tree... (great for keeping things like settings, save games, and other tidbits synced - you could symlink them - but it just lacks that 'convenience' feeling)

Re:Too bad (1)

wannabgeek (323414) | about 2 years ago | (#41184983)

Skydrive offers phenomenal storage (especially for older users) and very potent web apps.

I am almost forty years old. What does it get me?

Re:Too bad (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | about 2 years ago | (#41184473)

Check the start date of SkyDrive. It wasn't very good back then, but it was available back in 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skydrive [wikipedia.org]

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41185543)

Google beat them to the punch with Google Drive. Likewise with reports that after the Samsung spat Google and Apple are talking about sharing their IPs with each other, I dont think Apple has anything to fear with Redmond anymore.

Sorry,Skydrive has been around a lot longer.

"Seeding" Yeah, right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182611)

Seeding their services on all platforms.. .. Diluting the market, driving competitors out of business, and finally closing said services on all non-microsoft platforms once the competition is gone. (Probably closing some of those platforms too)

Microsoft enters markets to dilute and destroy, not to compete.

Walled Garden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41182641)

So, when Apple decides that the M$ distribution toy is no longer welcome on its devices, what then?

And when it rains, it pours. (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 2 years ago | (#41182675)

> by seeding its connected software services across all platforms

Cloud needs mist.

Microsoft has no advantage in the cloud market (2)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about 2 years ago | (#41182815)

The fundamental problem is that if Microsoft "[moves] away from its licensed operating system business model", it is throwing away its primary competitive edge – the whole multi-billion-dollar Windows ecosystem – in favor of other markets where competition is fiercer, profit margins are lower, and (most importantly) Microsoft doesn't have a massive legacy advantage. Businesses pay billions of dollars collectively for licenses to Windows and Office because: (1) they need them to run legacy programs and read legacy documents; (2) all their employees already know how to use them; and (3) everyone *else* is using them, so they need to do the same thing for interoperability. Steve Ballmer doesn't seem to understand these basic facts, so he is undercutting the core business of Microsoft to chase after newer, sexier markets.

Re:Microsoft has no advantage in the cloud market (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#41183917)

Nah. It's just a new generation of embrace, extend, extinguish.

They're only at embrace right now.

Re:Microsoft has no advantage in the cloud market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41184101)

Keep trolling bro. [microsoft.com]

not true (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 years ago | (#41183639)

As a matter of fact, to beat Apple, it has to work really well on Apple devices.

Of course, if you flip it around and look at how amazingly bad iTunes is on the PC, you'll notice how that statement is complete BS. In fact, anyone anywhere knows that Apple became popular by creating the fake image that if you buy an Apple device, you can show off and tell your friends you're better than them. Now that too many people have Apple products, that fell apart so they've resorted to lying about being better at graphics and video editing and suing their competition.

Back to the original article's point, all that they need to beat Apple's iphone and ipad is the keyboard. EVERYONE who types over 30WPM on a standard keyboard hates typing on ipads and iphones. They could put up a giant banner at Best Buy with the Microsoft Surface tablet on it and just put "It has a physical keyboard" and that's all that's necessary. Or they could really drive up the score by adding another banner under it that says: "Screw skydrive, Screw iCloud, this has a USB port." People do know how to use flash drives these days and my flash drive worked just fine last February 29th, unlike some clouds.

Re:not true (2)

LDAPMAN (930041) | about 2 years ago | (#41184901)

You seem to be unaware that iOs devices work great with Bluetooth keyboards...just like the Surface keyboard. Anybody that wants one is free to use one.

Uh, yeah right (2)

BurfCurse (937117) | about 2 years ago | (#41185035)

Windows couldn't make Windows Live Mesh run on their own platform. What makes you think they can make Windows SkyDrive work on someone else's?

Subscription Model? (1)

Mitaphane (96828) | about 2 years ago | (#41185157)

I've been hearing for years that Microsoft is moving to a subscription model for all its software products. I'm still not buying that this is the heart of any strategy.

Perhaps I can see a complete subscription model working in the Enterprise segment, but the consumer segment? I don't see it. I don't doubt that MS plans on building out services that they hope to attract subscription revenue. They have XBox Live and it's working pretty well. After that, what else is there? They have Office 365 which is competitive but I'm sure it doesn't make up for the revenue lost on traditional Office licenses. Windows? Forget it. I don't see the average consumer getting on board with a subscription tied to the computer unless the computer is subsidized to a free price point. SkyDrive? That's another crowded market with Google Drive, iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Azure? Amazon, Google, Rackspace...I don't think there's any web service that MS can offer that would be a "sneak attack."

Nope, MS is a behemoth company. As such, it's doing many different things at the same time just like Google & Apple. It has web services like Google. It has hardware like Apple. And all of them are vying to be the center of everyone's computing ecosystem to the point that the barrier of exiting is nearly insurmountable. It's that simple.

MS wants to be on the Desktop, in the cloud, on your mobile device, in your living room, and on your tablet. The question is if they can pull all their disparate teams together to provide something that excels in what Apple & Google has already done.

At least apple didn't censor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41185485)

files on my iDisk if it had pictures like this on the drive.
http://www.comon.dk/galleri/Skydrive

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