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Windows 8 Is 'a Work of Art.' But It's No Linux

timothy posted about a year ago | from the design-team-denied-your-request dept.

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colinneagle writes "Earlier this week I installed the final version of Windows 8. And it is awesome. That's not a joke. Windows 8 is absolutely, unequivocally stellar. And yet, at the end of the day, I am right back to using Linux. Why is that? What is it about Linux that makes me so excited to use it — even while enjoying another operating system that I view as, in all seriousness, a work of art? Why do I not simply install Windows 8 on every machine I own and be happy with it? For me, it's the ability to slowly chip away and remove items from your user interface until you are left with only want you want, and nothing more. The option of looking at an item on the screen, right clicking on it, and declaring to said item 'Listen up, mister Thing-On-My-Screen. I don't want you anymore. Be gone!' Panels, bars, docks, launchers, widgets, gadgets – whatever is on your screen, there is probably a way to send it to whatever form of the afterlife is reserved for unwanted Desktop Crud. And, I'll tell you this right now – as great as it is, you don't find a whole lot of 'Right click, Remove Panel' in Windows 8."

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371 comments

A Review? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182765)

I don't visit a news site for opinion pieces.

Re:A Review? (5, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about a year ago | (#41182855)

Especially not one as bizarre as this.

The definitive feature of linux is being able to right click and remove a panel... good for it? That wouldn't even be a feature on windows, it would be a disaster, because my 70 year old aunt would accidentally remove something important, not be sure what it was, and call me to find out how to fix it. All the people in my office would remove things, want them back, and not be able to find them. Etc.

You can have an opinion piece that makes some sort of interesting argument about why this feature really changes the computing experience, and how its absence in windows renders the OS unworthy to use, ok, that could actually be interesting. But TFA spends 3/4ths of its length on superficial discussions of things - and the places where a serious and sensible discussion could be made are given no real treatment.

TFA sort of ends on what he should have started with - the different philosophies between linux and windows 8 - that could have made for a very interesting opinion piece that would have been worth posting on /. But it's not there.

Re:A Review? (5, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about a year ago | (#41182973)

TFA sort of ends on what he should have started with - the different philosophies between linux and windows 8 - that could have made for a very interesting opinion piece that would have been worth posting on /. But it's not there.

That's because a rational discussion on the philosophical and design approaches of different user interfaces is not troll clickbait. The purpose of this article is to drive as many people here to flame about how Windows 8 is terrible and ugly and the worst OS in the world. And what do you know, take a look at first 5 posts below this one and you'll see exactly that.

Re:A Review? (5, Insightful)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about a year ago | (#41183039)

>>>That wouldn't even be a feature on windows, it would be a disaster, because my 70 year old aunt would accidentally remove something important

Strange..... I've been right-clocking and removing shit off my Windows for years. My XP and Seven desktops are completely blank (except for the start button). I'm not sure where either you or the /. reviewer got the idea you cannot remove things from the Windows desktop.

And yeah Windows 8 may be a work of art (pretty to look at), but I'd really like to get some actual Work accomplished thank you very much The digital equivalent of T&A doesn't let me do that. It slows me down and makes me want to switch to a OS for offices like Seven.

Re:A Review? (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about a year ago | (#41183337)

Depends on what you mean by remove. You can't just remove the start menu in windows 7 trivially if you don't like it. That would be a disaster. Being able to remove icons is different than being able to remove UI elements. Windows (pre windows 8) basically has 3 UI elements on the desktop, the start button, the taskbar and the desktop itself. Being able to remove any one of those would be very strange. It's bad enough that you can actually move the task bar and start menu in windows by dragging it if it's configured a particular way.

I guess it can have gadgets too, and you can remove those - but they're glorified icons. With windows 8 you can remove live tiles, but you can't really remove 'metro' or the traditional desktop (even if removing one of those would be a really really good idea).

With everything pre-windows 8 you can remove everything down to a very minimal set of elements, which is the set you start with. You can't remove any of those - and nor should you - was my point. You can remove links to things like the control panel and so on, but you can't actually do that trivially, which again, is good - there's a customization menu that lets you, but I can't find a way to mash some buttons and remove the 'control panel' link from my start menu for example.

Re:A Review? (1)

DeTech (2589785) | about a year ago | (#41183241)

Especially not one as bizarre as this.

The definitive feature of linux is being able to right click and remove a panel... good for it? That wouldn't even be a feature on windows, it would be a disaster, because my 70 year old aunt would accidentally remove something important, not be sure what it was, and call me to find out how to fix it.

And this is why we can't have nice things. Do we design a WRX for your nanna? thankfully no. For her needs the '91 dodge spirit fits just right.

Re:A Review? (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#41183249)

it was just a really long winded way of saying that if you want to customize -pretty much at all, even how big the window is- then metro apps ain't for you.

Re:A Review? (4, Informative)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#41183363)

"The definitive feature of linux is being able to right click and remove a panel... good for it? That wouldn't even be a feature on windows, it would be a disaster, because my 70 year old aunt would accidentally remove something important, not be sure what it was, and call me to find out how to fix it."

Unless of course you actually knew what you were doing and locked the panel and/or made the appropriate config files read only.

Re:A Review? (4, Insightful)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about a year ago | (#41183369)

That wouldn't even be a feature on windows, it would be a disaster, because my 70 year old aunt would accidentally remove something important, not be sure what it was, and call me to find out how to fix it.

Remember those couple versions of Office that had "everything is a toolbar, even the menus"? And users would accidentally either drag their menu bar out-of-position or manage to hide it? And there was no trivial way to get them back?

It was an unmitigated disaster.

So yes, I agree with you 100%. There's nothing wrong with customizability, but a lot of time it impacts usability.

Re:A Review? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182913)

No this is about a guy with Steve Jobs aspirations.

Not sure if windows 8 puff piece... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182767)

... or legitimate commentary

frist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182773)

posthumous donkeyfinger?

First TROLL (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182775)

Referring to this story being first on the front page.

Re:First TROLL (5, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year ago | (#41182907)

not a troll, maybe a stealth shill. Look at the print in bold:

That's not a joke. Windows 8 is absolutely, unequivocally stellar.

It boots fast, looks great and, right out of the gate, fully supports every bell and whistle on my laptop (including the touch screen). Applications launch faster, and are generally more responsive, than I have ever seen on this piece of hardware. Hell, I even like the copy file dialog.

As I sat in traffic yesterday for a few hours -- as those of us in Seattle seem to enjoy doing so much -- I thought long and hard about this.

Re:First TROLL (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183005)

Nice catch (on the Seattle thing).

Let me summarize:

WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG
WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG
WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG
WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG

(but for some reason I like Linux) but anyway

WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG
WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG
WINDOWS 8 IS AWESOME, WOW THIS RULES, ZOMG

looks like 'stealth shill' to me...

Re:First TROLL (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183151)

3.5 million people in Seattle.
94000 Microsoft employees globally.

Paranoid neckbeards are so amusing.

GNOME3's GNOME Shell fails the same way! (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#41182777)

I know others will say the same thing. But I wanted to say it first if that's possible.

On my list of most annoying things about GNOME 3's GNOME shell is that I can't remove or customize the bar on the top... not easily anyway.

I want my old panels back.

Re:GNOME3's GNOME Shell fails the same way! (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#41182887)

Sure you can! And it's a totally intuitive process. You just open your web browser, visit the Gnome Shell extensions site, click through a few pages of poorly organized extensions, and there will be five of them that sort of do what you want and are only partially broken.

Re:GNOME3's GNOME Shell fails the same way! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183455)

GNOME Shell can suck my balls

Re:GNOME3's GNOME Shell fails the same way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182899)

so go with kde/lxde/xfce and customize the shit out of it. In win8 you get the ford model T - you can get everything as long as you want the NewUI

Re:GNOME3's GNOME Shell fails the same way! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183301)

With KDE, My desktop is just a wallpaper until I move the mouse.
With a launcher and keyboard shortcuts, what do I need most widgets for anyway?

I love it!

I'll tell you what's a work of art (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182779)

timothy's rectal prolapse is a work of art. Every time he comes to visit he leaves my house with a beautiful pink sock.

If win8 is art.... (5, Funny)

DeeEff (2370332) | about a year ago | (#41182801)

Then beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder, and you need to get your eyes checked.

Re:If win8 is art.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182833)

I agree with him - I love it also. I think it's going to be big on tablets.

Re:If win8 is art.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182839)

A "work of art" like Tommy Wiseau's The Room.

Re:If win8 is art.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182993)

I keep wondering if code was art, is Windows more like M. C. Escher, or Salvador Dali.

Re:If win8 is art.... (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#41183145)

Isn't Salvador Dali the one who did that painting of the chick with a uni-brow and mustache?

Re:If win8 is art.... (4, Informative)

Mike Buddha (10734) | about a year ago | (#41183265)

Isn't Salvador Dali the one who did that painting of the chick with a uni-brow and mustache?

No, that would be the chick with the uni-brow and moustache, Frida Kahlo.

Re:If win8 is art.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183049)

My guess is he's an art major and can see hidden meanings in the colors and arrangements of tiles us mere mortals are incapable of grasping.

Re:If win8 is art.... (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about a year ago | (#41183051)

Someone I know who has been using for a bit now said it's simply the fastest OS he's ever used, and he's sorry it's a Windows OS.

Re:If win8 is art.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183089)

Beautiful like a spoiled bratty super-model; absolutely stunning to look at, but one must remain simple with minimal expectations to interact with it. Or, kind of like a stage prop; looks great on film, but is just plastic and paper with really good backlighting in reality.

Re:If win8 is art.... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#41183171)

As evil as eye tyrants i still don't get why would they like windows eight... maybe i should play less dnd.

Trolololol by timothy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182817)

It's not april fools day, what gives? Or... how much were you given to write this crap?

'a Work of Art' (5, Funny)

kheldan (1460303) | about a year ago | (#41182819)

Art is in the eye of the beholder.
Personally I think it's a piece of crap.
Of course, if you definition of 'art' is 'something that evokes and emotional response', then I guess it's art: it evokes a feeling of disgust and revoltion in me, I want to get it as far away from me (and my equipment) as possible.

Re:'a Work of Art' (4, Funny)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | about a year ago | (#41183159)

Of course, if you definition of 'art' is 'something that evokes and emotional response', then I guess it's art: it evokes a feeling of disgust and revoltion in me, I want to get it as far away from me (and my equipment) as possible.

That's what she said?

Re:'a Work of Art' (1)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | about a year ago | (#41183199)

Rage is an emotion right?

Re:'a Work of Art' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183307)

It's 'a work of art' in the same vein as 'Piss Christ' et al.

what a (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182821)

useless piece of fluff.

you should be ashamed. get out

lameness (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182825)

you're lame; linux isn't about the UI dillhole.

You're in control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182829)

What's powerful about removing what you don't want is when *you* are in control. Many vendors remove features to simplify user interfaces. But then it's their choices of what has to go -- not yours.

file progress (3, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a year ago | (#41182837)

I kid you not, the copy file progress dialog in Windows 8 is a thing of beauty. If you havenâ(TM)t seen it in action, and you are a fan of cool user interfaces, you owe it to yourself. To say I am impressed with what the team at Microsoft has accomplished would be a massive understatement.

So I take this to mean that MS did not fix the dialog's 5000% difference between guesstimated time and actual transfer time?

Re:file progress (4, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#41183351)

I'll just be happy if it doesn't take 20 hours to "calculate" which files are going to be deleted when things like "del" do the job almost instantaneously.

Re:file progress (2)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#41183437)

Ob-xkcd [xkcd.com]

The OS Is Irrelevant...Resistance Is Futile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182847)

When will you nerds realize that the operating system is becoming more and more irrelevant by the day? As a software engineer, I could care less any more about which platform that I develop for. The OS is being abstracted away from developers more and more each passing year. It's all about the tools and applications!

Re:The OS Is Irrelevant...Resistance Is Futile (0)

V!NCENT (1105021) | about a year ago | (#41183007)

No it is not, you fscking moron. Ulgh...

An Operating System IS a fscking HARDWARE ABSTRACTION tool for programmers. The fscking fact that it BECOMES THE HARDWARE INTERFACE ITSELF is MORE RELEVANT NOW THAN HAS EVER BEEN IN HUMAN FSCKING HISTORY.

Ever since that FSCKED UP DRM has show up, the ACTUAL REVERSE has started happening.

Welcome to programming class. You finnished lessong 1: "Programming 101". Have you done your Hello World! homework? Good boy. /reaction to morons who found their way to /.
If you mod this down, may God strike you dead at once.

Re:The OS Is Irrelevant...Resistance Is Futile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183465)

You can fucking swear on here. Really. It's just fucking fine.

Yah Right... (4, Insightful)

KlomDark (6370) | about a year ago | (#41182849)

Paid Troll anyone?

One man's art, is another man's trash (3, Insightful)

Eldragon (163969) | about a year ago | (#41182853)

'Work of Art' is an interesting choice of words. The art world is full of examples of 'art' that shocks and offends the viewer for precisely that purpose.

So when someone says Windows 8 is a 'Work of Art' I have to ask "Do you mean The Mona Lisa or L.H.O.O.Q.?"

Re:One man's art, is another man's trash (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183139)

Work of art like "Shit Mohammed". Which is like "Piss Christ", except, well, you can imagine the response.

Then why not a Mac? (5, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | about a year ago | (#41182869)

OS-X is almost entirely free of OS-derived graphical gunk. You have the desktop (which can be blank), and the doc (which can be hidden), and a few things along the menu bar in the upper right hand corner (which can be hidden).

Other than that, it already meets his "graphical gunk free" ideal.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (4, Informative)

bananaquackmoo (1204116) | about a year ago | (#41182947)

You're kidding right? OSX has TONS of OS-derived graphical gunk. Gradients, drop shadows, and I hope you like chrome. A dock and a menu bar that you can't get rid of? Animations you can't turn off? Transparency? I don't want ANY of that crud, especially since its eye-candy that slows things down.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183029)

If you have a shit computer, sure, all that stuff slows it down. If your computer was manufactured in the last five years, however, disabling all those gewgaws will gain you almost no performance.

I hope you enjoy your shitbox.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (4, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#41183111)

My "shitbox" is fine. I can put a new video card into it.

Its my Macs that will have problems with this nonsense. They can't be upgraded.

You miss the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183143)

bananaquackmoo wrote:

I don't want ANY of that crud...

You're telling him he *should* want that crud, rather than acknowledging the point that both he and the article make, that it is desirable to make your interface suit whatever you like, rather than making your likes suit the interface.

Eye-candy is not only a demand on the hardware: it's a demand on the user. (Just think about the phrase.) The less attention is drawn to things that don't need any attention, the easier it is to focus on what matters.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about a year ago | (#41183381)

He's calling Macs shitboxes. Reminds of that "Crapple" logo I designed back in the late 90's in high school. A nicely formed little pile of turd with rainbow colors. I may have to find that and print up some t-shirts.

Sorry, carry on now.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (1, Troll)

mkiwi (585287) | about a year ago | (#41183107)

Quit complaining about OS X unless you can put in a substitute window manager. You don't have to use Aqua or Quartz, just like the gp implied. Hell, I've booted a desktop mac off of Darwin and run KDE on top of it-–no OS X specific GUI stuff required. If you have the capability, a few simple changes in config files and you be running in X11 with an xterm at log on.

If you can not do that, then you need to hand in your geek card and not post such ignorance.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182963)

This has nothing to do with a fair comparison between OSs. It has to do with a shill trying to look like he has a fair eye but sees that Windows is still teh bad.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (1, Informative)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#41183227)

All I need is a shell prompt and a blinking cursor.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183309)

I don't want a dock, neither a top bar nor a global menu. Unfortunately there is no way to remove those features on a Mac so I'm sticking with Linux.

A couple of years ago a coworker of mine and Mac user told me Linux is for people that want to spend hours to customize their ui. Maybe he is right.

Re:Then why not a Mac? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183417)

Install KDE or Gnome on OSX then and stop complaining. Aqua isn't a requirement. OSX is a BSD system and can run all compatible window managers accordingly.

Windows 8 is good but needs work. (2)

m1ndcrash (2158084) | about a year ago | (#41182881)

I liked most things about win8. It boots SO fast compared to win7. {IMHO} MS shouldn't have put such an emphasis on touchscreen or at least make it configurable for "normal" desktop / tablet use.

Re:Windows 8 is good but needs work. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#41183289)

imho I don't care if it boots any faster.. got a nice ssd and win7 boots by the time I can get my ass on the sofa after plugging in the hdmi cable.

the improvements on desktop side aren't bad, but the redactions made on that side to move people into ms appstore metro land are just too much.

Dependencies (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year ago | (#41182883)

I don't find it much easier to remove features from mainstream Linux distros anymore than I do in Windows. The dependencies often prohibit removing even the most useless apps without taking the entire Desktop and other vital things with it. Of course, this is not the case in something like Arch, or Gentoo, but in Windows it's pretty easy to turn services off in Administrative Tasks and even through the registry. Also, I think neither Unity or Gnome3 go out the way to offer customizable UIs.

~ sudo $ apt-get remove completely-unnecessary-application
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
/*
After this operation, ALL disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

Re:Dependencies (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#41183141)

It's not about de-installing it, it's about making sure it does or does not run.

Whether or not it contributes to cruft on the disk is fairly unimportant.

Re:Dependencies (1)

Penurious Penguin (2687307) | about a year ago | (#41183247)

Any idea on an easy method of making sure Zeitgeist doesn't run? I've have entirely removed it already, but am still up for an easier, clean method. Upstart isn't nearly as straightforward (to me) as rc.conf and has left me tolerating a few daemons I'd rather not in Mint.

Re:Dependencies (1)

isorox (205688) | about a year ago | (#41183333)

~ sudo $ apt-get remove completely-unnecessary-application

Care to offer a real example?

I'm not even a fan of Windows 8... (5, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#41182885)

...but this piece just reeks of trolling the Windows crowd. Why do we need a multi-hundred word paragraph explaining that you can hide items in Linux but not in Windows? An even better question: what reason do we have to be interested in colinneagle's opinion? It's neither insightful nor unique, let alone relevant to most people, since this is not the feature that will make or break the deal for the vast majority of users choosing between the two OSes. I'm glad he's been able to make a decision for himself, but why should a typical nerd be interested in this opinion piece?

News for Herds? (1)

Joviex (976416) | about a year ago | (#41182897)

I love tacos, they are a culinary masterpiece, but why do I keep eating pizza? A subjective opinion passed off as actual news; how novel.

Re:News for Herds? (3, Funny)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year ago | (#41183183)

bloody taco shill.

Oh really! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182903)

Exited to use Linux, sad, so sad, it is just a tool.

Re:Oh really! (2)

Farmer Tim (530755) | about a year ago | (#41183385)

Some people find their tools a source of endless excitement. A word for such people is "wankers".

I think the point about the article is made...

You are nothing more than cattle to TPTB (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182909)

Memorable quotes for
Looker (1981)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082677/quotes [imdb.com]

"John Reston: Television can control public opinion more effectively than armies of secret police, because television is entirely voluntary. The American government forces our children to attend school, but nobody forces them to watch T.V. Americans of all ages *submit* to television. Television is the American ideal. Persuasion without coercion. Nobody makes us watch. Who could have predicted that a *free* people would voluntarily spend one fifth of their lives sitting in front of a *box* with pictures? Fifteen years sitting in prison is punishment. But 15 years sitting in front of a television set is entertainment. And the average American now spends more than one and a half years of his life just watching television commercials. Fifty minutes, every day of his life, watching commercials. Now, that's power."

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"The United States has it's own propaganda, but it's very effective because people don't realize that it's propaganda. And it's subtle, but it's actually a much stronger propaganda machine than the Nazis had but it's funded in a different way. With the Nazis it was funded by the government, but in the United States, it's funded by corporations and corporations they only want things to happen that will make people want to buy stuff. So whatever that is, then that is considered okay and good, but that doesn't necessarily mean it really serves people's thinking - it can stupify and make not very good things happen."
- Crispin Glover: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000417/bio [imdb.com]

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"It's only logical to assume that conspiracies are everywhere, because that's what people do. They conspire. If you can't get the message, get the man." - Mel Gibson (from an interview)

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - William Casey, CIA Director

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"The real reason for the official secrecy, in most instances, is not to keep the opposition (the CIA's euphemistic term for the enemy) from knowing what is going on; the enemy usually does know. The basic reason for governmental secrecy is to keep you, the American public, from knowing - for you, too, are considered the opposition, or enemy - so that you cannot interfere. When the public does not know what the government or the CIA is doing, it cannot voice its approval or disapproval of their actions. In fact, they can even lie to your about what they are doing or have done, and you will not know it. As for the second advantage, despite frequent suggestion that the CIA is a rogue elephant, the truth is that the agency functions at the direction of and in response to the office of the president. All of its major clandestine operations are carried out with the direct approval of or on direct orders from the White House. The CIA is a secret tool of the president - every president. And every president since Truman has lied to the American people in order to protect the agency. When lies have failed, it has been the duty of the CIA to take the blame for the president, thus protecting him. This is known in the business as "plausible denial." The CIA, functioning as a secret instrument of the U.S. government and the presidency, has long misused and abused history and continues to do so."
- Victor Marchetti, Propaganda and Disinformation: How the CIA Manufactures History

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George Carlin:

"The real owners are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they're an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They've got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They've got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.

But I'll tell you what they don't want. They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that. That doesn't help them. That's against their interests. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.

You know what they want? Obedient workers people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They'll get it. They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club.

This country is finished."

##

We now return you Americans to your media: Corporate, Government sponsored and controlled (rigged) elections..

Most of you are all so asleep it's time you woke up!

Awesome (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41182921)

>And it is awesome.

adjective: awe-inspiring, striking, shocking, imposing, terrible, amazing, stunning, wonderful, alarming, impressive, frightening, awful, overwhelming, terrifying, magnificent, astonishing, horrible, dreadful, formidable, horrifying, intimidating, fearful, daunting, breathtaking, majestic, solemn, fearsome, wondrous (archaic or literary), redoubtable, jaw-dropping, stupefying

Collins Thesaurus of the English Language â" Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002

Can't argue with that.

Oh, yeah? (1)

Master of Transhuman (597628) | about a year ago | (#41182927)

"whatever is on your screen, there is probably a way to send it to whatever form of the afterlife is reserved for unwanted Desktop Crud"

Well, on KDE 4 on openSUSE 12.1, I have these screen tips that show up on the programs I have open in the panel. Every time my mouse gets near the panel - such as when I'm TRYING to click on something low on the screen and I overshoot a bit - they pop up and obscure what I want to click on. If I move the mouse a bit I can get rid of the obscuring screen tip but it's incredibly irritating to do this fifty times an hour!

And as far as I can tell, there is NO WAY to get rid of those screen tips without ALSO getting rid of them in the System Tray - which I do not want. I want screen tips on the utilities in the System Tray, just not on open programs. I understand why they're there, of course - if you open a lot of programs on one desktop, the open program display gets scrunched down and you'd need the popups to switch from program to program - except I use Alt-Tab for that when that happens. But I want the ability to selectively remove those screen tips while leaving the ones on the utilities in the System Tray which show useful info like the clock.

So no, you can't get rid of anything and everything.

Still, it's way better than Windows, I agree.

Re:Oh, yeah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183443)

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+get+rid+of+kde+4+tooltips&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl-NL:official&client=firefox-a
First hit...
Sure you use Linux?

What a surprise (5, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about a year ago | (#41182933)

Tech-savvy user prefer highly-configurable things that can be customized by tech-savvy users and dislikes things designed to be used as-is by computer idiots. News at 10...

What I'm really wondering though is whether this "article" is a cleverly disguise Windows 8 plug: the Linux bit is there to prevent the poster for being marked as a Microsoft shill, while the real message is "Windows 8 is a work of art". Because really, that's the only thing people who are afraid of Linux will read.

Linux lovers who find Windows 8 a work of art seem suspicious to me...

Re:What a surprise (1)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | about a year ago | (#41183115)

What I'm really wondering though is whether this "article" is a cleverly disguise Windows 8 plug: the Linux bit is there to prevent the poster for being marked as a Microsoft shill, while the real message is "Windows 8 is a work of art".

It is a cleverly disguised OS-X plug meant to discredit the concept of letting users determine how they want their UI to look.. What better way to discredit Linux configurability than to suggest that the type of person who likes to configure their Linux installation will be impressed by the beauty of Windows 8?

Wow (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about a year ago | (#41182999)

How deep into Google did you have to dig to find someone that likes that trashy artwork?

Bryan Lunduke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183017)

I don't understand why this guy very often wants to give his opinions about Windows 8, OSX and the Linux as a desktop environment when most of the times he just uses xmonad + some terminals...

Apt description? (2)

leromarinvit (1462031) | about a year ago | (#41183025)

Most artists don't like people messing with their artworks. So maybe the lack of customizability is a reflection of that. Linux OTOH is more like a mechanic's (or artist's, for that matter) toolbox. It usually looks like shit, but it can take a beating and still get the job done. And nobody is going to look at you funny if you rearrange things to your liking.

I can certainly understand the author. My home looks a lot more like a toolbox filled with random useful (and some not so useful) things than an architecture exhibit. And no matter how pretty they may look, I wouldn't want to live in one.

heh (1)

zerodl (817292) | about a year ago | (#41183061)

"Linux Is 'a Work of Art.' But It's No Windows" The way people are talking about Windows 8 lately, there might be more interest in Linux.

Windows is less configurable than Linux.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183081)

News at 11.

To some, Goatse is a work of art, too (1, Insightful)

BenJeremy (181303) | about a year ago | (#41183083)

Windows 8 will be great on tablets and phones. Laptops? perhaps 20% less annoying than desktops, where Win8 is a UI fail. Touchscreen UIs are not useful for desktops. We've had touchscreens for ages, but nobody wants to spend 8+ hours a day using gestures, nor does the idea of cheetos-stained fingers smudging up the screen excite me in the least (not that my fingers are cheetos-stained, but I've known plenty of people who fit this general type).

If removing UI elements is your idea of a "Dream OS" then perhaps you don't need a general purpose PC at all. Stick to a tablet or your phone and you'll be happy forever.

So are ... (2)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#41183085)

... works by Pablo Picasso. But I'll be damned if I can figure them out.

pablo (1)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | about a year ago | (#41183113)

Yea, a work of art, like picaso. That doesn't make it user friendly. The fact that you said linux is better pretty much sums it all up - it is good but not the best on the market

Windows 8, who cares? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183137)

There was one comment from a keynote speech by John Carmack a few week ago. And for all the rest of the talk that was brilliant, this comment was the most relevant. And that was that he an iD recently switched from Windows Xp to Windows 7. And that yeah, it was nice. It was a bit better in a lot of areas, it did one technical thing a lot better. But for the most part, he just didn't care.

And for that matter neither did I when I made the same switch. Certainly, I wouldn't go back if I were just given a free and clear choice. But really, there's just not a whole lot there, to ANY new iteration of ANY operating system. It doesn't matter what you're a fan of, because each new iteration is just something of an update, for compatibility with whatever new hardware is out. For the most part there's nothing there to get excited about, I mean we're down to arguing tiny UI semantics. Windows 8, a work of art? It doesn't look that much different than Windows 7, nor does it do almost anything different. In fact the biggest change, of the start menu to start screen, is a bit worse for some people. But only a bit, so who cares?

So, why are people excited? Because we're nerds, because we're reading comments on /. and the internet is a great place to argue. But really, it doesn't matter that much. In fact it's beginning to matter so little that I'm wondering if it's worth it to even have inane arguments over anymore. And sure, it's a pastime as boring and pointless to outsiders as baseball is to many. But what I'm saying here is, arguments over the latest OS update are beginning to smell like fans arguing over a handful of old, decrepit has been teams, when there's a bunch of younger, more exciting lineups out there that could be providing a lot more entertainment.

Vive la différence! (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#41183149)

"Variety is the spice of life."

Wait, this is Slashdot. Sorry. Ok, it's a reference to human sexuality and how different chicks are endlessly intriguing.

Recession, dammit! (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#41183179)

What is it about Linux that makes me so excited to use it?

Price, price, and price.

I'll bite (4, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#41183181)

And yet, at the end of the day, I am right back to using Linux. Why is that?

Because you're a human being and we all have different opinions. For some reason yours have been promoted to a Slashdot article, but for the life of me I can't figure out why.

yes because (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183203)

consistency in an interface is never a good thing

At first...but then (1)

lilfields (961485) | about a year ago | (#41183229)

At first I had vowed there was NO WAY I was going to pay to put Windows 8 on my desktop or laptop, but...after seeing these new laptop/tablet hybrids being announced, I think a Windows 8 machine is in short order...and Stardock announced a free tool to put your start menu back, while still allowing you to run Metro apps (something I'm sure Microsoft will add itself eventually) all sort of makes me think...$25? Sure, why not? I actually thought I was going to get a Surface too, but now all these prototypes are coming out and well, I'm very happy as a consumer and Windows user, this will be a good Fall for Microsoft. I think people will hate it a first, but I don't think Windows 8 is going to be the train wreck (including me) that people thought it might be.

This as bad as the articles which say Linux failed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183235)

Stop with the spam. Without even reading it I can tell this was written for clicks. There is no substance to it. It's one persons preference that doesn't even reflect a small minority of users and has absolutely no relevance to anyone. There are thousands of things which give GNU/Linux on the desktop an edge over Microsoft Windows. And while this is better than the articles which make it out as if the only or main benefit to using is GNU/Linux is "cheap" it's far from being written by someone who has a clue. If your a full time non-technical and heavy GNU/Linux user you'd probably be the best person person to write up a critical analyses to compare the two systems. For better or worse though GNU/Linux has never been about price. No, it's about the freedom stupid. And the technical benefits far outweigh the cost if the non-ethical benefits are your basis of comparison. The problem is doing a non-ethical comparison ultimately is that the main technical benefits are the direct result of freedom.

BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183297)

I'm using RTM and you can right click and remove anything, WTF?

Right back to using Linux. Why is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183313)

Because you're a freetard shill.

Slashdot is probably the wrong place to ask this.. (1)

apcullen (2504324) | about a year ago | (#41183331)

But honestly, what is attractive about windows 8? I admit, I have never used it. But to me it looks god-awful. Just terrible. A completely disorganized mish-mash of ugly tiles. I look at it and can't see how it's supposed to work.

The reviews RAVE about it, but it still looks terrible to me, and none of the reviewers have ever managed to explain what exactly is so good about it.

Can somebody take a stab at telling me just what the appeal is?

I Love all of them, I hate most of them. (1)

Fri13 (963421) | about a year ago | (#41183395)

First, you are not talking about operating systems but graphical user interfaces.

But to the point.

My personal opinion is that I love OS X look and simplicity. And I love(d) GNOME 2.x simplicity and pastel look.
But I can not stand neither of them in my computer as I want to do more than copy few files from USB-stick to desktop and use WWW-browser or listen music and watch videos.
(For me, even moving some files with Finder is pain in the ass unless they are right front of me.)

I want to love Metro (or what other name MS will choose for it, hopefully as good as "Metro") as it is what Unix is about, information front of you. Metro is doing something what I dreamed and designed 15 years ago (I even have hundreds of designs stored in closet), but still it is doing it wrong way, by disturbing user, by hiding elements, functions and making simple things too complex (Like easy way to open directory in Finder by simply pressing enter on it when browsing with arrow keys).

So far, only GUI what pleases me on desktop/laptop use is KDE. And especially KDE4 started to do it great.
The customization is the key. Please, just give user a pure and clear GUI and then easy way to _add_ features what they want (contrary to your saying, you want to _remove_ things, I think it should be that people can "opt-in" just by adding features what they need.) and then get the GUI look and work as they need and want, not as one designed in company sees it should work (they can do the very basic usability things, like you can not so easily by mistake delete file or rename directory etc).

But when it comes to tablet, smartphone and even netbook usage, I just love Android 4.0 on them. The style, it is very informative and widgets gives the possibility to have exactly the wanted specific information right under your finger with interactive function (what Live Tiles do not offer at all) and otherwise just the apps with the oldest and purest human understandable way. If you want to nail something, you take hammer and nail and you just hit it where wanted. If you want to cut something, you take saw and you just use it.
The original Unix idea, one tool for one task. It is just so wise and awesome, why even command line interface is so awesome when compared to GUI in many basic cases (like copying files, renaming, moving, archiving, emailing, encrypting etc).

Last few years the trend has been that files need to be queried trough search and automatic filtering systems. Like the computer would know right away what you need and want (I am pointing my finger to you KDE community with activities!). Just give very simple and fast search for files, like Google search web pages (as it is said, it is silly that we can find pages from Internet faster than files from others computer).
I love organized file hierarchic in manner where others can understand easily what is in directories and what file is about by its name.

But when it comes to actually quickly choose and group bunch of files and do something complex to them graphically, there seems not to be better tool than Automator in OS X (unless you count scripting for shell in all Unix systems).

So what Microsoft has done right? They made the GUI touchable with big enough buttons (tiles) what was reason why Windows 7 SUCKED for any tablet computer (I have used 27" touchscreen with Windows 7 and it just was terrible two weeks). And that they got the idea that information should be easy to get presented in wanted form.

BUT.....

Metro SUCKS!

Android is getting again something much better. Chameleon is coming launcher for Android (tablets only?) http://chameleon.teknision.com/ [teknision.com] and it is exactly having what I have found most oldery (and young) people to need. To have information at one glance available for them, depending their task, location or time (one awesome app for Android is the Tasker https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm [google.com] ).

Microsoft tried that with Metro, but it does not work well on small screens (smartphones) as you need to scroll long list trough and it doesn't have "pages" like Android launchers can offer. And on bigger displays it is again terrible as everything looks exactly the same.

I am fan of LCARS style what was in Star Trek. As it actually can be used to make logical GUI for people. Just rip off all fancy graphics and use very basic colors (colors specify what type function is) and it is connected to functions directly with lines. And then the actual data is text only (pure text files, are so awesome even today!) and more complex data what can not be presented in text, is audio, 3D model, photos or videos.
That is what I expected from Metro. But again, I can make more like it with KDE and I can do it with Android.

I love Metro at first glance, but I hate almost everything in it, more than with OS X or GNOME (2.x) as more complex I need (have GTalk same time open and web browser, or video call and word or video player...), more complex it comes to user.

So yeah, simple is good, but oversimple is just terrible. So give very sane and simple default, but lots of possibilities to customize everything as how user needs and wants.

Winners are, KDE and Android because customization possibilities.
I would like to install Windows 8 to every computer, but I don't do it because after a 15 min crush feelings, the illusion is lost and moment is gone and all what I could hope is how I get KDE or Android back.

Hey look, another X story on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#41183419)

Apple
Facebook
Google
Microsoft
Sensationalized
Opinionated
Product Placement

Wow. (1)

sootman (158191) | about a year ago | (#41183457)

"Guy prefers something; blogs about it" is front-page news now? Even more so, "Guy prefers old thing he's grown used to over many years"?

Personally, I like OS X the most. I'm sure we could find other people who think Windows XP, 7, or 8 are the best. What was the point of this again?

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