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Message In Bottle Found After 98 Years Near Shetland

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the message-in-a-bottle dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A drift bottle released in June 1914 by Captain CH Brown of the Glasgow School of Navigation has been found. Part of a project to help map currents, 1,890 scientific research bottles were released around Scotland. Only 315 of them were ever recovered. From the article: 'Mr Leaper, 43, who found the bottle east of Shetland, explained: "As we hauled in the nets I spotted the bottle neck sticking out and I quickly grabbed it before it fell back in the sea. It was very exciting to find the bottle and I couldn't wait to open it."'"

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Sixpence None The Richer? (5, Interesting)

Cyrano de Maniac (60961) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185481)

Yes, but was he awarded the promised six pence?

Re:Sixpence None The Richer? (4, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185581)

Yes, but was he awarded the promised six pence?

When the original bottle and items inside are auctioned off, he'll make far more. Assuming he doesn't succumb to a case of stupidity and opens the bottle like the article suggests, in which case he deserves being whipped repeatedly by angry historians -- and the whip's price shall be six pence.

Re:Sixpence None The Richer? (3, Funny)

AchilleTalon (540925) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186433)

Great deception. I expected the message being something like: That whisky was fucking good!

Re:Sixpence None The Richer? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186559)

More importantly is this "News for nerds, stuff that matters" ?

That guy... (0)

Techmeology (1426095) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185483)

That guy likes setting that record:p

Re:That guy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41190041)

The find has been confirmed as a new record by Guinness World Records.

The drift bottle - containing a postcard which promised a reward of six pence to the finder - was released in June 1914 by Captain CH Brown of the Glasgow School of Navigation.

It was in a batch of 1,890 scientific research bottles which were specially designed to sink to help map the currents of the seas around Scotland when they were returned. Only 315 of them have been found.

Until a bottle from a batch released before 1914 is found, every single time another bottle gets found from the batch released in 1914, it's a new world record. With 1,575 sunken bottles from the 1914 batch out there waiting to be found, somehow I don't think this record will last.

Neat (2)

Formalin (1945560) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185487)

Bottle looks to be in pretty good shape - I can't tell what the seal is, just cork?

I wonder if he'll get to collect the 6 pence finders fee. What's that in decimal... with interest?

Re:Neat (3, Informative)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185579)

According to this [wikipedia.org], sixpence translates to 2.5p, or 0.025L (not even going to try using the right character, /. will eat it). And according to this PDF [parliament.uk], the Pound was worth roughly 76 times more in 2005 (the year it was written) than it was in 1914. So it comes out to be about 2L, or about US$3.

Re:Neat (3, Informative)

thelexx (237096) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185643)

"the Pound was worth roughly 76 times more in 2005 (the year it was written) than it was in 1914."

Less. The pound was worth ~76 times less in 2005 than in 1914. See the graphs on pages 18 and 19.

Re:Neat (1, Informative)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185657)

Depends on how you look at it. 76 L(1914) are only worth 1 L(2005), so in that sense it is worth less. But 1 L(1914) would buy you far more than 1 L(2005), so in that sense it is worth more.

Re:Neat (4, Insightful)

thelexx (237096) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185693)

"But 1 L(1914) would buy you far more than 1 L(2005), so in that sense it is worth more."

Think about that for a minute.

1 in 1914 = 76 loaves of bread (just a number for example)
1 in 2005 = 1 loaf of bread

In absolutely no sense is it worth more now. It is very simple. If it were truly worth more now, in any way shape or form, you would be getting more than 76 loaves of bread for it.

Re:Neat (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185735)

Ah, my bad, I did have it backwards. Mind kept reading it as what I meant to write, not what I actually wrote.

Re:Neat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186247)

See what crack will do you to you kids?

Re:Neat (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year and a half ago | (#41190823)

you made me curious.
In the US:
1914 - price of bread per pound 6 cents
2002 - 149 cents

Calculating inflation, 6 cents in 1914 is equivalent to 107 cents in 2002.

So we are paying more for bread, but. It s sliced, safer, higher quality, and consistent.

Re:Neat (1)

cellocgw (617879) | about a year and a half ago | (#41191397)

you made me curious.
In the US:
1914 - price of bread per pound 6 cents
2002 - 149 cents
Calculating inflation, 6 cents in 1914 is equivalent to 107 cents in 2002.
So we are paying more for bread, but. It s sliced, safer, higher quality, and consistent.

?? Pre-sliced sucks. "Safer" is nonsense. Consistency is boring. And most important, sliced mass-produced bread is crap both nutritionally and gustatorially. Give me a good local bakery any day.

Re:Neat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41192971)

Must you people be highbrow connoisseurs at EVERYTHING??

Re:Neat (4, Insightful)

rossdee (243626) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186237)

Depends on what you are going to buy with it. Inflation isn't totally uniform. - How much did radios and other consumer electronics cost back then?

Re:Neat (1)

msauve (701917) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185739)

There was no promise to pay interest, or adjust for inflation, etc. One can buy a sixpence coin on UK eBay with shipping, for a pound, so you can probably get one for less than that.

Re:Neat (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41187385)

USS3 how dumb the L use looks to a Brit.

£.

Re:Neat (2)

Inda (580031) | about a year and a half ago | (#41187961)

One night, eight years ago, down on the Cornish coast, we drank this sickly drink called Dooleys. In a moment of madness we placed a scrap of paper in the bottle with my email address and the words "Just for fun". Our small boat was pushed into the English Channel and we sailed out a mile before I lobbed the bottle overboard. Stupidity knows no bounds.

A month later I recieved an email.

The bottle had travelled all of two miles down the coast in that time, through one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world.

A crappy little rubber seal protected the data inside. Maybe it's not so hard to believe a cork could do a better job. :)

So... (2)

msauve (701917) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185491)

how do they know it was near Shetland for 98 years?

Re:So... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41185577)

I could tell you but I think it is more fun to know the answer and keep you in the dark. Also, read the article you twat.

Re:So... (0)

msauve (701917) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185689)

Whoosh. (not unexpected for an AC)

"Message In Bottle Found After 98 Years Near Shetland" != "Message In Bottle Found Near Shetland After 98 Years".

Re:So... (4, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185647)

how do they know it was near Shetland for 98 years?

They obviously don't. In fact, unless there are some incredibly regular local current loops this bottle could have traveled a very long way.
These were designed to sink to some depth, (but obviously not to the bottom) and flow with the currents, and be below the depth where they
would likely be dashed on the rocks by waves.

Looking at a map of the Atlantic Currents [wikipedia.org] its quite possible these bottles may have covered would be up to the arctic, back down along Greenland, Labrador, delivered to the North Atlantic Drift and back to Shetland. Probably many round such trips over the years.

Re:So... (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185779)

In fact, unless there are some incredibly regular local current loops this bottle could have traveled a very long way.

Right. But this is fascinating data. Datum? The time-integrated value of ocean currents with an integration time of 98 years.

Most people want to know the instantaneous value. Climatologists want to know the perhaps one year average. But here we have the 98 year integration. Do you know how much it would cost to build a modern electronic current meter that would have a calibration valid for 98 years?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186309)

speaking of climatogolgists I wonder if they are going to test the air in the bottle.

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186781)

It wouldn't be very useful. The air in the bottle would be representative of only that particular day, in that particular place. For example, if it were bottled by a wood fire stove, it would have much higher concentrations of CO2 than the average mass of air

Re:So... (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year and a half ago | (#41188683)

It wouldn't be very useful. The air in the bottle would be representative of only that particular day, in that particular place. For example, if it were bottled by a wood fire stove, it would have much higher concentrations of CO2 than the average mass of air

All grist for the mill, though. There have been studies where they do open old bottles and other airtight hollow objects (I think even things like binoculars) just to analyze the air.

One sample isn't worth much, but that's how you build knowledge somethings. One sample at a time.

Also, they don't just do straight chemical analysis. Isotopes can tell all sorts of stories.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41185851)

Labrador?
Wait, what? Somebody named a place after a dog breed?

This world never ceases to amaze me...

Re:So... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186571)

Why they named a race (German) after a dog too!

Then Mr. Leaper realized (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41185529)

That the bottle didn't contain alcohol, and he was much less excited.

ping (4, Funny)

djl4570 (801529) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185601)

$ping 192.168.28.1

Pinging 192.168.28.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.28.1: bytes=32 time=3,092,644,800,000ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.28.1:
Packets: Sent = 1, Received = 1, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3,092,644,800,000ms, Maximum = 3,092,644,800,000ms, Average = 3,092,644,800,000ms
$

Re:ping (4, Funny)

p0p0 (1841106) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185907)

Shouldn't it be closer to:
$ping shetland.gov

Pinging shetland.gov with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from shetland.gov: bytes=32 time=3,092,644,800,000ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for shetland.gov:
Packets: Sent = 1,890, Received = 315, Lost = 1575 (83% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3,092,644,800,000ms, Maximum = 3,092,644,800,000ms, Average = 3,092,644,800,000ms
$

Re:ping (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186353)

I think the average ping time is shorter (from the 314 recovered bottles), just the max value being 3Ts.

Obvious joke here (5, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185617)

Unfortunately, The Police could not be reached for comment.

Re:Obvious joke here (2)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185759)

However, there *were* reports of an SOS...

Re:Obvious joke here (2)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185831)

However, there *were* reports of an SOS...

Yes... actually a hundred billion of them... stingy luck to have found only one of them.

Re:Obvious joke here (1, Funny)

ThePeices (635180) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185861)

Unfortunately, The Police could not be reached for comment.

Joke not so obvious....what do the police have to do with this?

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41185901)

The Police [youtube.com], not the police.

Re:Obvious joke here (5, Funny)

Trogre (513942) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186015)

Man, you would have to have been living in a box or walking on the moon not to get that one.

Re:Obvious joke here (1)

istartedi (132515) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186347)

Well, as someone who came of age in the 80s myself... there's a chance he wasnt' born yet. Yeah I know. Sucks to be old.

Now that we've turned him onto The Police, he may be one of the fetuses on YouTube that loves their music.

Re:Obvious joke here (3, Interesting)

Kreigaffe (765218) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186419)

I worked briefly with a 19 year old girl who had never heard of: David Bowie, Neil Young, Sid Vicious, James Brown, Pearl Jam, Janis Joplin, or Run DMC.

I very nearly wept.

Re:Obvious joke here (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186741)

I'm 32 and was raised on my parent's record collection ranging from the 50's to the late 70's. I listened to the radio in the 80's-present and I'm sure there's plenty of good bands I've never heard of.

So what you should have done with this 19 year old is ask what kind of music she likes, make a few suggestions, and then move her in the right direction by suggesting similar bands or music. Saying,"Oh mah gawd!! You've never heard of XYZ?! What the shit?!" does nothing. Saying, "Oh, you like X music? Well, have you ever listened to ABC song by XYZ? They're pretty old school. And if you like that, you should also try..." and just go from there.

Re:Obvious joke here (2)

raddan (519638) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186883)

I work with a former Microsoft intern about whom I have a similar story. Microsoft plans a "special event" every summer for its interns, and they're often things like cruises or concerts. So I asked him-- what was your special event? He said, "Oh, it was just some wedding band or something. Totally boring." I later found out that it was Dave Matthews Band. Gah.

Re:Obvious joke here (2)

guyniraxn (1579409) | about a year and a half ago | (#41188243)

Ha! That's the best description of Dave Matthews Band I've heard. I never did "get" them.

Re:Obvious joke here (1)

heneon (570292) | about a year and a half ago | (#41187013)

I know this joke! "I very nearly wept." ...then you realised she was deaf! Bada-bum, thank you I'll be here all week.

Re:Obvious joke here (1)

sa1lnr (669048) | about a year and a half ago | (#41187293)

Sid Vicious sells dairy and Iggy Pop is an insurance salesman. :(

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41190335)

Iggy sells cruises. Duh.

Re:Obvious joke here (1)

dargaud (518470) | about a year and a half ago | (#41187383)

One of the very first argument I had with my then girlfriend (and now wife) was that she'd never heard of The Clash. I was "that's not possible" and she got pissed at me for claiming that I could tell what she knew better than her. The argument ended when I put their most famous songs on the player: "Oh! But I've heard that before..."

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41187871)

I've never heard of The Clash. So what's their most famous song?

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41187541)

I could understand not knowing Bowie, Neil Young, Sid Vicious (or the Sex Pistols altogether, for that matter), James Brown, Janis Joplin or Run DMC, seeing as some of them died before she was even born or simply have been a bit under the radar for the last decade or so. Bur not knowing Pearl Jam, that's really hard to believe as they are huge, still recording and touring and routinely filling out venues all over the world. Has she been living in a cave or something?

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41187979)

Why should she have heard of them? She's young and there's plenty of competition for mind-share.

IMO she's not really missing that much based on your list. e.g. David Bowie, pioneer in some ways perhaps, but so what? That said even if she's never heard of James Brown she's probably heard stuff like "I Feel Good" in some ads/promos, movies, etc. In contrast David Bowie's stuff will just be used for evoking a particular era in the past. "Space Oddity" (Major Tom) might have some use "out of era", but not really that much.

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41188425)

Oh boy. If you don't know Neil Young you are missing much. Very much.

Re:Obvious joke here (1)

Bob C. Cock (605290) | about a year and a half ago | (#41188809)

I had a similar jaw dropping experience when a 20 year old I work with didn't get the reference "nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure." When I told him it was from Aliens his response was, "I don't watch old movies."

Re:Obvious joke here (2)

Dripdry (1062282) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186527)

That's "have to be a man in a suitcase or...."
As a resident Police fanatic I can say unequivocally that they have no song called "living in a box." Wow, I can't believe I'm the snooty, uptight dork who feels So Lonely on this issue...
My apologies, but the Voices Inside My Head felt a deep-seated need to make things "right"

What can I say? Truth Hits Everybody.

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41188857)

Haha, I actually remember the song "Living In A Box." It was by the band "Living In A Box." From the album "Living In A Box." And I'm sure that's the only reason I remember it.

Re:Obvious joke here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41193717)

Man, you would have to have been living in a box or walking on the moon not to get that one.

Actually I totally missed it until I read the explanation... but then again I've been working for something like 36 of the last 48 hours.... I think I need to sleep now.

The context read ..... (1)

Brigadier (12956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41185645)

Send more Rum ....

Re:The context read ..... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186229)

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine...

Re:The context read ..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41188883)

Burma Shave.

Long Term Storage (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186029)

Remember the story on this site about creating a time capsule to be opened in the future? And everyone was going on about various seals, gas interactions, acid free paper, etc.

Seems like a piece of paper stuck inside a bottle can last a hundred years.

Re:Long Term Storage (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41186929)

It may be important to note that the typical ocean surface temperature near the British Isles is in the mid 50s (F) year-round, but "10 feet underground" temperatures can hit 70F in the summertime. That extra 20F might cause a lot of aging.

(Yes, I'm ignoring the damage caused by direct light/UV; underground stuff doesn't have to worry about that.)

Re:Long Term Storage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41187671)

How exciting, I've heard of tablets(made of stone) that last thousands of years.

Re:Long Term Storage (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year and a half ago | (#41188721)

Remember the story on this site about creating a time capsule to be opened in the future? And everyone was going on about various seals, gas interactions, acid free paper, etc.

Seems like a piece of paper stuck inside a bottle can last a hundred years.

Progress.

I think that the use of acid to bleach paper might actually post-date the post-card in question.

Excitement & Despair (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41186317)

It was very exciting to find the bottle and I couldn't wait to open it.

Followed immediately by a crushing disappointment that it did not hold liquor.

I hate you all that bottle is.... (1)

NSN A392-99-964-5927 (1559367) | about a year and a half ago | (#41187469)

My Whiskey and there are not enough drams to go around....therefore first posters get a wee dram and the rest can piss off!

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