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Leak Shows What Could Be Nokia's New Windows Phone 8 Devices

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the solid-color-rectangles dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Did images of Nokia's upcoming Windows Phone 8 smartphones leak a few days early? That's the question after a Twitter feed, @evleaks, posted a set of images early on Aug. 31. The first, it claimed, was of the '4.3-inch Nokia Lumia 820,' while the second purported to show the '4.5-inch Nokia Lumia 920 with PureView.' Corporate-sanctioned leaks are a fairly regular thing in the tech world, but they tend to follow well-defined patterns: a public-relations executive — wait, sorry, 'unnamed source' — will email a journalist with an image of an upcoming device, for example, or a disgruntled former engineer will data-dump information onto their blog. Glossy publicity images originating from a new, relatively unknown Twitter feed is less common, although the Twitter feed in question has leaked other images in the past."

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I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (-1, Troll)

ickleberry (864871) | about 2 years ago | (#41190619)

Because Windows is just the worst mobile OS there is and MS are not to be trusted even if they did make a reasonable one. Even Symbian was better

They messed up in a big way when they left Maemo out to die

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190659)

MS is not to be trusted? But somehow Google and Apple are paragons of virtue? Sure, it always pays to be skeptical of Microsoft, but no more so than any of the other major players in the phone wars.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190771)

Some people love to kick a man when he is down, probably because it's hard to disagree with them (he is on the ground, and he got there some how). The same people were probably writing off apple 10 years ago.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191061)

And they've paid a lot of money to advertising agencies to spruik the sentiments you've just spruiked.

It's snake oil all the way down, folks.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41197073)

and any one that points it out gets labelled a hired goon. I can assure you i wrote the above comment, and i'm not being paid to comment (if i was, i would probably be more positive).

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191215)

Some people love to kick a man when he is down, probably because it's hard to disagree with them (he is on the ground, and he got there some how). The same people were probably writing off apple 10 years ago.

10 years ago people were saying that Apple didn't have a chance. That's not what he's saying about Microsoft. He's saying 'they can't be trusted, don't give them a chance'. Agree or not, it's a different sentiment (and earned, imho).

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41196917)

um no, he was saying they should be trusted the same as apple and google. I was pointing out why the person he was replying to, was anti microsoft (which wasn't about trust, even if he claims it).

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41196991)

and if anything microsoft are to be trusted more than apple, and google. Microsoft has grown up supplying the business world with security and privacy instead of profiting from adds and all kinds of private data collected phones.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (5, Informative)

teg (97890) | about 2 years ago | (#41190779)

MS is not to be trusted? But somehow Google and Apple are paragons of virtue? Sure, it always pays to be skeptical of Microsoft, but no more so than any of the other major players in the phone wars.

They screwed the owners of their last two attempts - Windows Mobile [apcmag.com] and Windows [engadget.com] Phone [technobuffalo.com] .

To compare, Apple's iPhone 3GS [wikipedia.org] will get support for iOS 6 [apple.com] - and it was released more than 3 years ago.

So buying a Windows Phone falls into the category of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (3, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41190931)

Except according to actual WP7 owners, the 7.8 solution is fine: http://www.wpcentral.com/poll-results-majority-windows-phone-users-happy-proposed-78-update [wpcentral.com]

Of 6400 respondants, 54% said they're happy, 20% said they're not but staying with windows phone, 20% said they're not sure, and only 6% said they're leaving Windows Phone.

Personally, I'm happy with the decision. They're moving the platform forward yet still porting features for legacy owners. I bought a Lumia 900 about a month before this news and I'm still happy with it. It does everything I want, and will be getting more features in the future. Most non-hardware related features are being ported back to the Lumia 900. By the time I'm ready for a new phone, Windows Phone 8 will be all the better.

As for you comparison to iOS, my Girlfriend has a 3GS. To say that it runs all the latest apps and the lates OS is a bit misleading, as she's missing features [engadget.com] , and many of the latest apps and games built for 4 or 4S hardware cause her phone to lag and many of them just crash randomly. The same can be said for my iPad 1 and apps like Infinity Blade, Netflix, and MLB AtBat 2012. This is almost the same situation Microsoft is giving to Windows Phone users, except they're being upfront by calling it WP7.8 instead of WP8.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191101)

Stupid people need to make calls too.

Windows Phone 8 - Because you're a retard, scrote!

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41193397)

I think you're mixing up products. Apple has always been the choice for the technically unsavvy, Fisher-Price, point and drool retards. Usually homosexual too.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | about 2 years ago | (#41191189)

I love my WP7 phone (currently on Mango -- haven't received the Tango update). I'll go to WP7.8 when it's available and WP8 when ready to renew my phone.

People complain about older devices not getting updates, but every company does it. At some point software surpasses the capabilities of the hardware. It sucks for the Nokia owners, but the other models were old enough that it's not that surprising.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41191313)

My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB.
That is the advantage of an open source OS.

Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too ... (2)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41191417)

My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB. That is the advantage of an open source OS.

What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 2 years ago | (#41192121)

My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB.
That is the advantage of an open source OS.

What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.

The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41192205)

The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.

The __OldModel__ is painfully slow in __NewOS__. Its good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.

Score:-1, Obvious

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41192637)

My Droid 1 is running ICS and will soon run JB. That is the advantage of an open source OS.

What advantage? The iPhone 3GS was released a few months before the Droid and the 3GS runs the latest version of iOS 5 and will soon be running iOS 6.

The 3GS is painfully slow in iOS5. It's good that it works, but users should be warned before upgrading.

And the Droid 1 is not painfully slow in Android 4 (ICS) compared to the Droid 4?

The Droid 1 suffers even more than the iPhone 3GS. The Droid going from a 550 MHz single core CPU to a 1.2 GHz dual core while the iPhone goes from 600 MHz single core to 800 MHz dual core.

Actually it all depends on the application. I test on a 3GS running iOS 5. Slower but not painfully so. If your app does not take advantage of dual core (or more accurately threading) the boost is not that great. Keep in mind that a snappier more responsive user interface does not necessarily indicate performance. The user interface may update more quickly on a dual core but the task initiated by the previous action may still take about the same amount of time. User interface design and coding is sometimes about manufacturing the perception of performance.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41192937)

My droid 1 is clocked at 1.2Ghz.

The lack of ram is a far bigger issue for the D1 and the 3GS than the CPU.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41193637)

My droid 1 is clocked at 1.2Ghz.

Your 2009 Droid 1 is running at 1.2GHz rather than the 550MHz (underclocked from 600MHz) stated on Wiki and various other sites and the up to 600MHz stated on Motorola's developer site?

The lack of ram is a far bigger issue for the D1 and the 3GS than the CPU.

In terms of RAM the iPhone 3GS has 256MB compared to 512MB in the 4 and 4S. In comparison the Droid 1 has 256MB as well but the Droid 4 has 1GB.

Either way you look at it, CPU or RAM, the Droid 1 to Droid 4 comparison seems more painful than the iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4S comparison.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41193803)

Yes my 2009 droid is overclocked to 1.2Ghz. I have in fact clocked it up to 1.25Ghz before.

The fact that the iPhone4S is more than a year behind in specs should not be held against the D1. Your examples do more to show how relatively outdated the iPhone 4S is than anything. Hopefully the 5 at least brings a 720p screen.

Also the Droid 4 should not be considered a successor since it has a locked bootloader and a low res screen. At the time the D1 was released it was a high res screen, higher than the 3GS by the way.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41195085)

Your examples do more to show how relatively outdated the iPhone 4S is than anything. Hopefully the 5 at least brings a 720p screen. Also the Droid 4 should not be considered a successor since it has a locked bootloader and a low res screen. At the time the D1 was released it was a high res screen, higher than the 3GS by the way.

The point is not that the iPhone 4S is behind the Droid 4. The claim was made that an iPhone 3GS is painfully slow compared to the current model. My argument is merely pointing out that this is even more of an issue for the Droid 1.

If we accept your argument about the Droid 3 being the true successor then we have a device with the same RAM as the iPhone 4S and a 1GHz dual core CPU vs the 4S's 800 MHz dual core. My point seems to still hold.

Yes Apple seems to be releasing updated hardware months later than Motorola. If the iPad 3rd gen is a clue then a 1GHz CPU and 1GB RAM would be likely for the iPhone 5. I don't think the screen will go 720p. The previous screen update exactly doubled the resolution. That made software compatibility very high as the automatic scaling of graphics worked very well. I suppose they could just run existing apps in a 960x640 subset of the screen with a black frame filling out the rest of the 1280x720 display. That is similar to what happens when running an iPhone app on an iPad.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41222177)

No the droid 3 is not a successor either. It is also a locked down mediocre device. There is no motorola equivalent.

Apple is not months behind they are now at least a year behind. The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.

I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great. The point I was making is the current iPhone screen is a relic and badly needs to be updated. The DPI should hopefully at least stay the same, but the device will be slightly larger.

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 2 years ago | (#41224163)

No the droid 3 is not a successor either. It is also a locked down mediocre device. There is no motorola equivalent.

Apple is not months behind they are now at least a year behind. The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.

I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great. The point I was making is the current iPhone screen is a relic and badly needs to be updated. The DPI should hopefully at least stay the same, but the device will be slightly larger.

The point is a 3GS is slower than a D1.

How is the 3GS slower, the D1 and 3GS have the same CPU and RAM? The D1 CPU is 8% slower and its running Java apps rather than native binaries but that is nitpicking. And no, I do not count overclocking. That is not the user experience that nearly all D1 users had/have. Plus overclocked CPUs, especially severely overclocked like the one described generally have errors. Note that not all overclocking induced errors are obvious, resulting in crashes, etc. Sometimes the CPU simply gives the wrong answer after a specific sequence of instructions. The sequence and errors are different for every overclocked CPU so its not something easily tested for.

I doubt the iPhone5 will have a 1920x1280 screen, but that would be great.

I was not suggesting that. That would seem pointless given that we are already at the limits of the human visual system. 3 to 3GS was a doubling but that would seem to be a one time thing. I'm just arguing that an increase to 720p seems unlikely since it is not a whole number multiple, a 30% taller screen would be needed to maintain pixels per inch and keep unstretched legacy apps just as readable. Yes it would be nice for new apps but I expect too many backwards compatibility problems. Besides, on a 3.5 inch screen can one really see a difference in a video rendered at 960x640 vs 1280x720?

Re:Old iPhone runs current and upcoming iOS too .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41196925)

bullshit, they call it ios5 but they take out half the features. Microsoft is just being honest (they give you most of the features of windows 8 with 7.8) they just don't call it 8. If apple changed to a more advanced kernel the 3gs would be dropped in a heart beat.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191405)

Except according to actual WP7 owners, the 7.8 solution is fine: http://www.wpcentral.com/poll-results-majority-windows-phone-users-happy-proposed-78-update [wpcentral.com]

That's a poll put to the users of wpcentral.com. It's a fanboy site so of course they're going to view the platform through rose tinted glasses. The fact that only half of the respondents were "happy" speaks volumes.

As for you comparison to iOS, my Girlfriend has a 3GS.

Your comparison is meaningless. The 3GS is sold as an entry-level last-last-gen iPhone. The Lumia 900 is the flagship Windows Phone (or at least the marketing would lead you to believe that) and it is being sold today despite the fact that it will never see the next major version of the OS. The comparison would be if the 4S were being sold with no hope of seeing iOS 6. If that were the case people would be up in arms but when MS does the same thing the fanboys like you come out of the woodwork to apologize for them.

Spinmeisters like you tarnish the reputation of Windows Phone much more than MS ever could.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (2)

Bedouin X (254404) | about 2 years ago | (#41192857)

I'm curious to hear your explanation of why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri in iOS5 and how is that different from the Lumia 900 getting the most obvious new feature from WP 8 (the new Start Screen) but not the other - mainly hardware dependent - features?

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194433)

the iPhone 4 can't run Siri in iOS5 and how is that different from the Lumia 900 getting the most obvious new feature from WP 8 (the new Start Screen)

What? This actually has to be explained to you?

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194503)

I'm curious to hear your explanation of why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri in iOS5 and how is that different from the Lumia 900 getting the most obvious new feature from WP 8 (the new Start Screen) but not the other - mainly hardware dependent - features?

Dummy, you are comparing the iPhone 4 not getting one feature and conflating that with the Lumia 900 only getting one feature. Please kill yourself.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41193207)

That's a poll put to the users of wpcentral.com

The contention is that Microsoft screwed over its users, and this assertion is coming from people who a) don't use Windows Phone b) never intended to use Windows Phone c) have a history of campaigning against windows phone and d) have no actual data supporting their assertions. I've presented a survey from users who disagree. In one sentence you assert wpcentral is full of fanboys and only view WP in a positive view, yet in the next sentence you assert that since the numbers weren't overwhelmingly positive it goes to show even fanboys don't like the change. And you call me a spinmeister.

How about reaching the obvious conclusion: that wpcentral is not a site of fanboys and represents a varied opinion. I can't imagine you spend a lot of time there if you think the community is all fanboys. What we are is a community of *users* who, as users, are well aware of the shortcomings and limitations of our platform, and are well aware of what WP8 is bringing to the table. We bought these devices because they fit our needs best, and the existence of another OS in the future does not change the decision we made in the past to go with WP7. When they announced WP8, my Lumia 900 did not suddenly become a worse device, and it will be getting features from WP8, so its lifespan is increased.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194417)

Dude, spare us the apologetic bull. It is astounding how full of shit you are.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194453)

coming from people who a) don't use Windows Phone b) never intended to use Windows Phone c) have a history of campaigning against windows phone and d) have no actual data supporting their assertions

Where's your data supporting your assertions, hypocrite?

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194471)

In one sentence you assert wpcentral is full of fanboys and only view WP in a positive view, yet in the next sentence you assert that since the numbers weren't overwhelmingly positive it goes to show even fanboys don't like the change.

Are you that stupid? The GP's point is obvious that even among the flock, windows phone 7 not getting 8 is unpopular. What a moron you are.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194533)

How about reaching the obvious conclusion: that wpcentral is not a site of fanboys and represents a varied opinion.

Is there a maximum IQ score cut-off in order to buy a windows phone? What is it like 70 or 80? wpcentral.com, e.g. w(indows)p(hone)central.com is a site dedicated to the discussion of windows phone. Sites like that are magnets for fanboys. Just like 9-5mac.com and phandroid.com. A survey there is worthless, numbnuts.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194557)

What we are is a community of *users* who, as users, are well aware of the shortcomings and limitations of our platform, and are well aware of what WP8 is bringing to the table. We bought these devices because they fit our needs best, and the existence of another OS in the future does not change the decision we made in the past to go with WP7. When they announced WP8, my Lumia 900 did not suddenly become a worse device, and it will be getting features from WP8, so its lifespan is increased.

I just visited the site. It is full of fanboys and worthless pandering. You either have a financial interest or you are oblivious to reality. Or just that stupid. That's likely what the problem is.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1, Troll)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about 2 years ago | (#41191929)

Except according to actual WP7 owners, the 7.8 solution is fine

All three of them?

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41196417)

All two of them now. I chucked the piece of shit windows phone I won in the fraud "smoked by" competition in the trash. It really sucked.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41196829)

Personally, I'm happy with the decision. They're moving the platform forward yet still porting features for legacy owners. I bought a Lumia 900 about a month before this news and I'm still happy with it. It does everything I want, and will be getting more features in the future. Most non-hardware related features are being ported back to the Lumia 900.

Enjoy your crippled version of Skype with inability to receive IMs and take calls in the background.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 2 years ago | (#41191031)

I'd certainly accept that Windows Phone 7 owners might legitimately feel screwed, but Windows Mobile owners certainly were not - they had a long run prior to WP7 coming on the scene.

Also, while Apple does tend to release iOS for older iPhones, its a hugely mixed bag - my iPhone 3G was basically unusable after the iOS 4 upgrade, so much so that I looked elsewhere. So yes, Apple might "cater" for older phones, but you had better be seriously careful what you wish for, because theres a difference between something being available and something being nice to use.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194679)

I'd certainly accept that Windows Phone 7 owners might legitimately feel screwed, but Windows Mobile owners certainly were not

You need to wipe your lip, daddy-o. I think there's still some bullshit hanging. The vast majority of Windows Mobile devices were never upgraded. If it came with Windows Mobile 2003, you were stuck with it. Same with version 5, 6, 6.5 and whatever else there was. Yes, as a WM owner you were truly fucked and I see the pattern continues with windows phone. What a joke platform.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191461)

iPhone 3GS runs like a dog with iOS5 with everything possible disabled. It crashes if Safari has more than two tabs open, although sometimes also one is enough. Everything after iOS4 was a huge downgrade for iPhone 3GS.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41193201)

Apple is farther into their series lifecycle, the 3GS may have 3+ yrs support, but my 3G dropped support well before 3 years were up, for all practical purposes I can't use any current apps or even upgrade my existing ones, and it became somewhat unstable and most definitely worse in the last 2 iOS's that were "supported".

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (5, Interesting)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41191013)

I don't trust Microsoft and I don't trust Apple, I have a bit of trust for Google though. Google though has not acted in anticompetitive fashion they have used their patents only defensively. Google gives away the source code for their operating system so if you don't trust them you can read through the source code and compile and modify, or pay someone else to. Lets see Microsoft or Apple* do that.

*no darwin does not count because google givesaway the whole system where apple only years ago gave away pieces. Oh and when are we going to see the arm port?

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (2)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#41192029)

"Google gives away the source code for their operating system so if you don't trust them you can read through the source code and compile and modify, or pay someone else to."

So if Google is all about openness, where is the source code for their search algorithm, GMail, or any of their other software that gives them a competitive advantage?

Of course they give away the source code to Android, it's not worth anything to them. They make no money off of Android and 66% of their mobile profits comes from iOS.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41192375)

> Of course they give away the source code to Android, it's not worth anything to them. They make no money off of Android and 66% of their mobile profits comes from iOS.

Wait, what? So they spent, and continue spending time and money on developing Android, and then give it away because "it's not worth anything for them"? Dude, I don't know what point you was trying to make, but you're painting them as freaking philantropes right there. "Hey, I've spent lots to build this, but you can have it! Really, I don't mind, it's not worth anything to me!"

Next time better think your bashing^Wargument through.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#41201635)

Well, if they just spent $12 billion on Motorola Mobility, a few million more on severance packages, and pay Apple $100 million a year to be the default search engine on Macs and iOS devices and testified that 66% of their mobile profits come from ios devices, you do the math.

And no MMI is not profitable.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

oakgrove (845019) | about 2 years ago | (#41194695)

So if Google is all about openness, where is the source code for their search algorithm

Haha. When I see a statement like this, I know I'm being trolled. Good one.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41212123)

Haha. When I see a statement like this, I know I'm being trolled. Good one.

Tee hee, hoo hoo, hee hee, har har. You know all about trolling, you food-stamp-hording faggot!

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Scowler (667000) | about 2 years ago | (#41194919)

In other words, you reserve the most trust for the corporation most likely to invade your privacy.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (2)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41190713)

I'm on VMo, and most of their options are POS androids. They have an iPHone but they're like $500. If they had a sub$200 windows phone, I would jump at it. I'm not invested in the android ecosystem, except for angry birds.

True story - I downloaded a game called "plumber pipes" or something like that, where you connected pipe pieces from one end to the other. It had "targeted" ads - they were all for pipes and plumbing equipment!

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

bornagainpenguin (1209106) | about 2 years ago | (#41192889)

True story - I downloaded a game called "plumber pipes" or something like that, where you connected pipe pieces from one end to the other. It had "targeted" ads - they were all for pipes and plumbing equipment!

Root that puppy and install "Adfree Android [google.com] " to block most ads from ever becoming an annoyance again.

Also check the site in my sig and you might be pleasantly surprised at how well your POS Android can run...

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190753)

Alright Jimmy, can I call you Jimmy? Great. OK then Jimmy, here's what you have to do.

Go into your kitchen, and set your oven to exactly 450 degrees, turn on all of the back burners of your stove and go to your garage. You will find a shovel, you may or may not recognize it, thats ok. Take the shovel and head over to your neighbors yard. Dig a hole to the specifications of 3 feet wide, 6 feet long, and 2 feet deep. Now search your pockets, you will find a single match and a needle. Prick your finger and place a single drop on the head of the match, stick the match into the ground head up. Now the preparations are complete for the summoning. You will kneel at the west side of the hole, at the foot of the hole, draw a circle. You will then place your pricked hand in the circle, look down at the ground, and chant .

I shall you tell with plain declaration
Where, how, and what is my generation
Omogeni is my Father
And Magnesia is my Mother
And Azot truly is my Sister
And Kibrick forsooth is my Brother
The Serpent of Arabia is my name
The which is leader of all this game

Then he will rise from your portal, do NOT make a single sound, nor should you move even your head to look at him, lest you be consumed. After some time, He will begin to question you, only then may you move only your head to slightly nod yes or no. If he is satisfied with your answers, all will be made known to thee.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (-1, Troll)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about 2 years ago | (#41190777)

My wife had an atrix for six months so I got used to android, I got a windows phone just so I could play with both. I hated it for 2 weeks, then couldn't stand my wife's android. With a much faster processor the android device just feels so much slower and though it has more *stuff* on the screen, it feels like it isn't portraying as much info at once. I'm getting my wife a windows phone next upgrade, it's a lot easier to use and harder for her to screw up, and probably an android for me. I love the metro UI for a phone, but the android can just do so much more because of the app space. I also appreciate that the windows phone has a fraction of the mobile market so has less people trying to create malware for it, which is again a bonus for the non-power user like my wife. And before you say "get her an iphone" let me just say, apple can stuff it where the sun don't shine. MS may be a bad player sometimes, but apple is just a bloody cult.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191075)

My wife had an atrix for six months so I got used to android, I got a windows phone just so I could play with both. I hated it for 2 weeks, then couldn't stand my wife's android. With a much faster processor the android device just feels so much slower and though it has more *stuff* on the screen, it feels like it isn't portraying as much info at once. I'm getting my wife a windows phone next upgrade, it's a lot easier to use and harder for her to screw up, and probably an android for me. I love the metro UI for a phone, but the android can just do so much more because of the app space. I also appreciate that the windows phone has a fraction of the mobile market so has less people trying to create malware for it, which is again a bonus for the non-power user like my wife. And before you say "get her an iphone" let me just say, apple can stuff it where the sun don't shine. MS may be a bad player sometimes, but apple is just a bloody cult.

Apple makes good hardware and software. There is no voodoo or black magic making them popular, get over it. It just is what it is. Tight three way competition over a platform is hugely beneficial to consumers, take things for what they are and stop trying to pin "the other guys" as "evil", or a "cult" or other bullshit in what is essentially a fair fight.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41193477)

And before you say "get her an iphone" let me just say, apple can stuff it where the sun don't shine. MS may be a bad player sometimes, but apple is just a bloody cult.

Good idea. Get a phone from a company proven to misbehave verses a phone that other people like because other people like it.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (2)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41190781)

What exactly is so bad about it? With the new upcoming update, they've pretty much fixed all the complaints I've ever seen. New hardware should be on par with any other phone, there's a variety of hardware, the app ecosystem is increasing at at exponential rate. At this point, iOS is looking like the least capable of the group. iPhone still don't support external SD cards, and the hardware is limited to exactly what Apple offers. The only thing Apple still has going for it are apps, but that strength is ephemeral, especially when Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 share a same codebase; I predict many developers of Windows 8 metro apps and games will port them right over to Windows Phone 8.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

X.25 (255792) | about 2 years ago | (#41191883)

What exactly is so bad about it? With the new upcoming update, they've pretty much fixed all the complaints I've ever seen.

Can I now save a draft of my SMS?

I mean, I understand that such a novel feature couldn't be expected in a phone, but maybe Microsoft could be innovative?

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 2 years ago | (#41192513)

Why are you making drafts of 160-char messages? That doesn't seem like an even slightly important feature.

With that said, you pretty much can through one of two mechanisms:
Copy the drafted text to the clipboard and then paste it into a text to yourself (yes, you can copy text out of a SMS as well, so it's not that hard to recover) or simply leave the text half-composed, hit the Start button (or press-and-hold the Back button to switch to another app), and when you want to get back to your "draft" just use the task switcher to get back to the still-open SMS session, with your draft text sitting there waiting for you.

The first of these has been possible since NoDo (1.5 years), the second since Mango (1 year).

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41192655)

Two points:
a) Since long ago cellphones let you send SMS longer than 160 chars by automatically splitting them - and automatically recompose received messages (which lets my aunt bombard me with long and rather tasteless poems for holidays)
b) My five year old Nokia feature phone has "Save draft" option, which has two distinct advantages over your "two mechanisms" for modern Nokia smartphone: it's much easier and it doesn't require extra motions to store drafts between power cycles.

Re:I'm not even going to bother looking at TFA (2)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#41190945)

Another reason not to bother.. "leaks" = hype

*sigh* just another ad

Round corners (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190683)

OH no they used the round corners that are claimed to be innovated and owned by Apple..!!

Re:Round corners (1)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41190739)

OH no they used the round corners that are claimed to be innovated and owned by Apple..!!

did you even bother to look at the link? the 820 has barely rounded corners (bezel is rounded, but front plate is square), while the 920 is right angles. there's more than one way to build a phone!

Re:Round corners (1)

noh8rz8 (2716593) | about 2 years ago | (#41190849)

by the way, what is the linked site, anyway? it's like a technology blog, but slashdot branded? when did this happen? http://slashdot.org/topic/cloud/ [slashdot.org]

Re:Round corners (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about 2 years ago | (#41191103)

Look at it for a few minutes and then realize... It's slashdot redone in the Metro UI. Muahhhaa! Slashdot has given in!

Re:Round corners (1)

zlives (2009072) | about 2 years ago | (#41191391)

Look at it for a few seconds and then realize some one sold out to FB timeline...

Re:Round corners (1)

trimpnick (1362187) | about 2 years ago | (#41193623)

Have any of you checked the "new digg.com" ? :)

Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (4, Interesting)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#41190709)

Someone call judge Koh!

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190797)

Does anyone actually care about microsoft phones? There seems to be a million articles on this site
regarding them, and I don't know one person in all the technology people I know that would even glance
at a windows phone.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (2)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about 2 years ago | (#41192155)

Does anyone actually care about microsoft phones? There seems to be a million articles on this site
regarding them, and I don't know one person in all the technology people I know that would even glance
at a windows phone.

Among the neutral commentators (Anandtech, for instance), WP8 and even WP7 gets the best reviews of any of the major mobile operating systems. If Sprint picks up one of the new Nokias I'll ditch my disappointing GS2 and try a Lumia.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194765)

Among the neutral commentators (Anandtech, for instance), WP8 and even WP7 gets the best reviews of any of the major mobile operating systems.

Don't be a sheep. The only "review" I care about is my own. I tried a Windows Phone for a few days and it was garbage. Took it back and got an Android. Couldn't be happier.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (4, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41191029)

Apple actually used Lumias as an example of a phone that they don't feel violates Apple trade dress.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191357)

Apple actually used Lumias as an example of a phone that they don't feel violates Apple trade dress.

Absolutely, once you apprciate the basis Apple use to decide which competitors to obstruct^W^W^Wwillful violators to pursue, it all falls into place:

Apple phone - distinctive feature : make tons and tons of money.

Samsung phones - make tons of money. Not the same as tons and tons, maybe, but confusingly similar to Apple accountants.

Nokia phones - hideous failure. No similarity.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191681)

Hey we are trying to have a fandroid rant here, don't bother us with your facts and reality.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191907)

You dumbass. Apple held up the worst failure in the mobile phone marketplace as an example of what they want in a competitor. And the fanboys eat it up.

As a lawyer once told me... (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about 2 years ago | (#41192743)

You don't sue someone with no money.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (1)

Hillgiant (916436) | about 2 years ago | (#41193351)

How dare you sully this discussion with facts! And ones that are contrary to the /. approved groupthink, to boot.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41193737)

Yes, but those phones are all rectangles with rounded corners. As I bet they also have colored icons displayed on a grid, the phone icon has a phone in it, and the message icon has an envelope, the only distinctive factor lasting is the black color, that seems to be optional. If those are the new Lumina models, Apple won't be able to claim that anymore.

Now, I liked the color options. It is already time to somebody get out from black and silver. (But no, it comes with Windows, so I won't have one.)

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194789)

It is already time to somebody get out from black and silver.

There have been quite a few Android phones in multiple colors. As a matter of fact the current king of the hill Galaxy S3 has several colors it comes in. Open your eyes.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41196241)

Well, ok, white, beige, silver and black. Not colorfull if you ask me. If there isn't any other, I can't find on the net (because on stores I can only find the black and siver ones).

In the pictures there are green, blue, yellow, and red phones.

Re:Rounded Corners! Rectangular Design! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41194895)

> Lumias as an example of a phone that they don't feel violates Apple trade dress.

I am, however, astounded that Panasonic doesn't think LUMIA infringes its LUMIX trademark, especially when Nokia adds pureview to make a camera and Panasonic make phones.

repost images? (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about 2 years ago | (#41190749)

non-twitter location for these please?

Re:repost images? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41192599)

Um, TFA? Has both images and a big, long essay about it?

tl;dr TFA

PureView (4, Interesting)

manekineko2 (1052430) | about 2 years ago | (#41190841)

I hope this isn't the real debut of the Pureview technology on Windows Phone.

With that tiny lens assembly, it seems inevitable if it is the real deal that large compromises will have been made to the image quality.

For those who don't know, the Nokia Pureview technology, currently found only on a single Symbian phone, is a breakthrough in imaging quality on smartphones/compact cameras. It is hands-down the best image quality on any smartphone, it is arguably the very best compact camera in the world, and in some circumstances has even been demonstrated to outperform mirrorless cameras like micro 4/3.

Ship Of Fail Arrives In Port (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190861)

I'm amazed and sorry for Nokia. How can such a big and successful company simply evaporate?

And then there was (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41190903)

*crickets*

Fuck Nokia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191047)

I am a Windows Phone early adopter (Lumia 800).

I just want to say: Fuck you Nokia, and Fuck you Microsoft. And you ask what Apple is doing that you are not. How about not leaving your users behind?

Fuck you.

Re:Fuck Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41197127)

so where is siri for the iphone 4. If you bought the lumia 800 thinking it could run windows 8 your an idiot.

Looking at them with sadness.. (3, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41191085)

These could have been MeeGo phones, with QT and the nice UI from Nokia N9.

I guess MS would have none of that.

I'm almost excited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191217)

With a real windows kernel, native code, removable storage, GPU, explicit support for tightly integrated third party voip, better execution than andriod on development tools, application isolation and a coherent platform for developers it seems like a big win over any of Microsofts previous mobile platforms. If they really did fix my WP7 gripes as the limited information seems to suggest I'll definatly give it a try.

If Microsoft does allow third party apps to be installed outside the appstore the free choice in hardware and software for the platform is a big win in my view over the closed ecosystems where one company has control and a say over everything.

Now if only they would do something about the spartan butt ugly metro typography meme.

Great article.. (3, Insightful)

ddd0004 (1984672) | about 2 years ago | (#41191333)

Except looking at a picture of cell phone is about the same as looking at a generic ATX case and saying "Look at how fast this computer is!"

Re:Great article.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41192847)

It's really just for the Sherlock Internets to pore over.

*ahem*
>_>

The pictures do show the back, Windows, and search buttons (on the yellow model), standard for a Windows Phone of either type, but the slide image with the large-type time (on the red model) and re-oriented to wide-view is not a feature of the current phones.

Now, it could just be features of WP7.8, and, if so, it could just be the Lumia 900 with a piece of the new interface revealed. Even the camera (on the grey model) is in the same place as the 900, although the yellow model in the second image has the camera in a different position.

However, I doubt Nokia is going to be marketing the Lumia 900 when it has a new WP8 phone on the way, which doesn't really need to have an overhaul on design if the previous design is still not widely known. On the hand, that's still a couple of months off, and there'll be no better time than now to offload some old hardware before the shelves get cleared for the new stuff.

1/3 of Spaniards think Lumia=Whore (1, Informative)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41191341)

This bears repeating.

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/11/03/navegante/1320329583.html [elmundo.es]

MÃ"VILES | Ãsltimos modelos del fabricante
Nokia eligià nombre 'Lumia' pese a saber que significa 'prostituta' en español

Efe | Helsinki
Actualizado jueves 03/11/2011 15:13 horas

El fabricante finlandés de teléfonos mÃviles Nokia decidià bautizar su nueva gama de dispositivos dotados de Windows Phone con el nombre de 'Lumia' pese a saber que ese término significa 'prostituta' en español, informaron medios locales.

Después de que Nokia presentara la semana pasada el Lumia 800 y el Lumia 710, sus primeros teléfonos inteligentes equipados con el sistema operativo de Microsoft, diversos medios de comunicaciÃn, foros y redes sociales calificaron la elecciÃn de este nombre como una "grave metedura de pata" de la compañÃa.

Sin embargo, Nokia explicà que conocÃa esta acepciÃn, aunque finalmente se escogià el nombre porque 'lumia' es "una palabra española muy antigua caÃda en desuso desde hace tiempo".

SegÃn el diccionario de la Real Academia Española, 'lumia' es un sustantivo poco usado y de origen incierto que significa 'prostituta', y al igual que su variante 'lumi', forma también parte del argot urbano. ...

"Los resultados mostraron que mÃs del 60 por ciento de los consumidores españoles pensà que era un gran nombre para un producto de tecnologÃa mÃvil. Les sugerÃa en primer lugar 'luz' y 'estilo', en lugar del otro significado, mÃs oscuro y negativo", explicà la compañÃa en su blog oficial.

-------------------

So let's do the math. "More than 60 percent" can mean 66, so let's call it 2/3rds. The other third thinks you have a filthy mouth.

Heh heh

--
BMO

Re:1/3 of Spaniards think Lumia=Whore (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41191991)

Spain is also well known as a country with a macho culture and significantly more prostitutes than most of Western Europe.

Let's just hope it won't get malware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41192229)

Because overheard "That guy from my job found me a used Lumia real cheap and that piece of trash had viruses all over!" could really get you in trouble.

considering n9 vs lumia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41193685)

I'm more excited to see Jolla's offering

only now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41193961)

these phones have been moving around in nokia related companies for a long time now, im amazed no photos have leaked before, these confidentiality agreements must be working damn well. thats how it usually goes, we see a new prototype and half a year later world goes ooh-aah over some released pics and im like, man, this is old.

Photoshopped HD7 (1)

Lije Baley (88936) | about 2 years ago | (#41194555)

The 820 pic looks too much like the HTC HD7 that I'm typing this with.

Cool, (1)

lfreedling (1101287) | about 2 years ago | (#41197649)

the iphone is finally coming in more than 2 colors!

Recurring theme: abuse of power (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41210379)

They lost a lot of good will by planting their former employer Elop as the new CEO of Nokia to not only push WP but also destroy any independent OS Nokia had been building up until then. This is especially troublesome since one of them was the only attempt at an open true Linux OS (QT compatible!) on the mobile market. While the N900 was more of a hacker's tool the N9 universally got great reviews, it simply lacked support from Microkia as it was serious competition to WP (and any other advanced smartphone OS that nowadays tries to mimic true multi-tasking). They paid Nokia off with 1 billion USD to toss their indepency aside and go from free software to walled garden.

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