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Apple Adds Samsung Galaxy SIII To Its Ban List

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the roll-call-of-infamy dept.

Patents 553

After its big win against Samsung, Apple named 8 Samsung products it wanted an injunction to ban from sale in the U.S. Apple wasn't content with that, though; USA Today reports on the state of the expanded list: "The new list of 21 products includes Samsung's flagship smartphone Galaxy S III as well as the Galaxy Note, another popular Android phone. If the court finds those devices are infringing Apple's patents and irreparably harming the U.S. company, it could temporarily halt sales in the U.S. market even before the trial begins."

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Do it yourself (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201263)

Add all Apple devices to you own ban list today !

Re:Do it yourself (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201283)

Yeah I'm sure having all of slashdot avoid apple products will be a totally effective boycott.

Re:Do it yourself (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41201543)

I keep saying this; it does have an effect. It's not just those of us that keep up to date about all of the bad corporate behaviour of Apple, Sony, etc, it's all the other people that come to us for opinions. It matters. The world is a much smaller place than it used to be as well.

Re:Do it yourself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201627)

I do agree. I don't think it's as powerful as Apple's marketing campaign, but it is meaningful.

Re:Do it yourself (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201799)

That's fine, as log as you add Samsung into the list of bad corporate behavior.

Re:Do it yourself (4, Insightful)

Man On Pink Corner (1089867) | about 2 years ago | (#41201849)

That's fine, as log as you add Samsung into the list of bad corporate behavior.

Any organization with two or more people will be guilty of "bad corporate behavior" in someone's opinion. It's necessary to decide what you consider acceptable versus what you consider unacceptable.

I don't recall Samsung doing anything that I, personally, consider unacceptable. I can't say the same for Apple. Your own point is an empty one unless you elaborate.

Re:Do it yourself (5, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#41201803)

Having all Slashdot tell everyone they know to avoid Apple products might have more of an impact than you expect. People often come to me (and I suspect most other Slashdot readers) asking for advice about computers. If I say, "Stay away from Apple," at least a large fraction of those people will do so.

The real question is, how many Slashdot readers actually will stay away from Apple? A pretty large number of IT, CS, and other technically-minded folks seem to like Apple's products (and they are generally apathetic when it comes to Apple's tactics, licenses, or how Apple is pushing for the destruction of PCs), and quite a few Slashdot readers are big supporters of Apple. If the world's technical communities were united on this issue, there would be no problem -- Apple would be facing mass resistance (see e.g. SOPA/PIPA). Unfortunately, we are not united; a lot of people in these communities like Apple's products and are going to deride people who boycott Apple.

Re:Do it yourself (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201345)

I did, but it is not working well. I got my daughter an HTC OneX (the day they came out, before their temporary ban caused them to be unavailable for awhile). She has just gone off to college, living in a brand new dorm. She's in a special program called Women In Science and Engineering (WISE) with 37 other girls. Apparently they ALL have an iPhone except for one kid that still has an old dumb phone. That's right: 36 iPhones, 1 dumb phone, 1 HTC android phone. Yes, that is a small group - but it is a group of smart (you had to apply and qualify and many were turned away) college freshmen. I sincerely hope that these stupid lawsuits over these ridiculous patents (such as the one currently going on that includes slide to unlock) will cause blowback on Apple in terms of lower sales. Not that I have much against Apple. I'd just like to see "the market" punish companies that are aggressively swinging around their ludicrous patents.

Re:Do it yourself (1, Funny)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 2 years ago | (#41201407)

I'd be more interested in how you know that statistic, frankly.

Re:Do it yourself (2, Insightful)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#41201813)

Social groups share things?

Seems odd that I'd have to say that, but this is slashdot.

Universities and Apple Products (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#41201855)

The prevalence of Apple products at universities is no accident; Apple is pushing hard, and universities are basically bending over and promoting Apple products. Windows is sticking around because a few programs are training students to use Windows software (especially MS Office), but a typical college classroom looks like this:

http://potpiedeluxe.com/files/2011/02/apple-think-different.jpg [potpiedeluxe.com]

Suggesting that universities promote a free/libre OS is met with all sorts of derision and skepticism, usually of the form, "Yeah but nobody has any familiarity with that, and it is hard to use, and this is a university so students do not have the time to learn something unfamiliar!"

Re:Do it yourself (4, Informative)

Ice Station Zebra (18124) | about 2 years ago | (#41201761)

Already done. Will NEVER buy an apple product and actively work to undermine their market share.

There was a study recently... (1)

taharvey (625577) | about 2 years ago | (#41201845)

That said the a huge part of the traffic at sites like slashdot are actually marketing firm paid posters. From the type of comentary at slashdot, it seems Google hires a lot more of them than Apple.

Re: Apple Adds Samsung Galaxy SIII To Its Ban List (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201265)

first!!!

Dear Timezone,
Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Apple will not stop until they have 100% monopoly (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201279)

They seek nothing less than a complete monopoly on the smart phone market.

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" - Steve Jobs, 1994

Re:Apple will not stop until they have 100% monopo (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41201423)

They seek nothing less than a complete monopoly on the smart phone market.

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" - Steve Jobs, 1994

well... they want the parts cheaper, it's no good if they have to compete for cpu production capacity with samsung. but in the end apple by this way is going to end up the same way as many calculator assembly companies did.. when chip manufacturers like ti&others started making their own calculators - apple has been trying to avoid that a bit, but just a bit(don't quote bullshit how they have their own chip, pls). if they could really force everyone else with their "oh boy we've patented it(but don't ask exactly what!)" to stop producing phones.

the next iphone better do blowjobs and come with a 20g bag of coke for people to buy it - if they're now injunction happy because they don't have anything new than a new screen size then it doesn't really bode that well for apple(not that I care, they're closed garden snobby shithole platform with super short self life for their platforms).

I just wish nokia would have taken them to injunction city instead of ceding into the unholy 3 way circle jerk party-truce in exchange of some cash(from apple) with ms and apple(that's the plan - ms+apple duopoly in desktops, tablets and phones, because android started crashing their party like nothing before on computer-like consumer devices).

but complete monopoly is no good for either of them, they learnt that big way in the '90s.. fake competition whilst blocking everyone else from the market is much better.

Re:Apple will not stop until they have 100% monopo (2)

Howitzer86 (964585) | about 2 years ago | (#41201469)

Correct. Microsoft will be let in on the game to give it the air of legitimacy. If Samsung wants to continue, they will have to make more Windows phones. Apple wins, Microsoft wins, and even Samsung comes out of this OK.

Re:Apple will not stop until they have 100% monopo (5, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 years ago | (#41201589)

Samsung gives Windows Phone token support. In return they get better license cost on Windows. But instead of being mass produced in a Chinese sweatshop these token Windows Phones are lovingly handcrafted in Whittier California by a wizened old former TV repairman named Hank. Hank is semi-retired and only works 15 hours a week, but he has no trouble keeping up with the global demand.

Misattributed quote. (0)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#41201555)

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" - Steve Jobs, 1994

This is a misattributed [wikiquote.org] quote. It should more correctly be attributed to either Pablo Picasso (an overrated artist) or Igor Stravinsky (an excellent composer).

Re:Misattributed quote. (4, Interesting)

speederaser (473477) | about 2 years ago | (#41201645)

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" - Steve Jobs, 1994

This is a misattributed quote. It should more correctly be attributed to either Pablo Picasso (an overrated artist) or Igor Stravinsky (an excellent composer).

Both of you are correct, pretty much. Pablo Picasso said "Good artists borrow, great artists steal" in 1934. And here is a link [gizmodo.com] of Steve Jobs saying "Good artists copy, great artists steal" in 1996.

Funny how the profit motive so strongly affects the moral belief system.

Re:Misattributed quote. (5, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41201651)

Yes, he even stole that quote.

Re:Misattributed quote. (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 2 years ago | (#41201771)

He did say that, so it isn't exactly misattributed, although he mistakenly claimed it came from Pablo Picasso. However, Picasso didn't say that, at least not in those words. Those particular words did come from Jobs, and T.S. Eliot is the first conclusively known source I'm aware of for this sentiment. However, it almost certainly didn't originate with him, either.

Re:Apple will not stop until they have 100% monopo (5, Funny)

ThePeices (635180) | about 2 years ago | (#41201781)

Apple already has a 100% monopoly in the iOS market.

Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201285)

In excitement!

Re:Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave (1)

shentino (1139071) | about 2 years ago | (#41201583)

That rolling might well be rotating on a spit in hell for all I know.

A more fitting punishment (0)

Ukab the Great (87152) | about 2 years ago | (#41201303)

I'd rather Samsung be allowed to sell its products in the US AND also be forced to donate a billion dollars to user interface research at universities which would then be put released open source patent free for any company to use.

Re:A more fitting punishment (5, Insightful)

mickwd (196449) | about 2 years ago | (#41201475)

I'd rather Samsung be allowed to sell its products in the US.

No AND.

Re:A more fitting punishment (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#41201821)

Yeah but that would benefit society at the expense of corporations, so you will never see it happen. Maybe our grandchildren will live to see such a world, but I would not get my hopes up...

What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201307)

This summary doesn't make grammatical or syntactical sense.

Re:What? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201449)

This summary doesn't make grammatical or syntactical sense.

So you're not contect?

Re:What? (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 2 years ago | (#41201591)

Allow me to summarize the above comment:

Sense these don't grammar summary or to make syntactically.

Thanks Apple (5, Interesting)

zerodl (817292) | about 2 years ago | (#41201315)

For limiting my choices on (good or bad) products. I could rant endlessly about this but I'd be preaching to the choir. But wow, I don't like Apple at all now because of this.

Re:Thanks Apple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201495)

I know I'm in the minority here, but when I look at Samsung phones, and compare them to the iPhone, the copying is very blatant. If I steal some brad from a baker, put some flax seed on it and sell it to you, and the baker has me thrown in prison, of course you will be unhappy. You now cannot get your flax seed bread. But you cannot blame the baker. In this case, Samsung benefited from Apples development efforts for free.

Re:Thanks Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201573)

Did you notice that verdict is mostly about utility patents like scroll bounce-back? I found it particularly funny how Apple fanboys' favorite see-they're-exactly-same-when-turned-off Galaxy Tabs weren't found to be infringing on trade dress.

So, "blatant copying not of rounded rectangles, but of many details together" in the end turns out to be "blatantly reacting to multitouch gestures (just like old touchscreen demos, but not the same, because it's loaded on a different processor. It changes everything right there.)".

Re:Thanks Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201647)

Sometimes its important to step back and look at the big picture. Most patents on their own look obvious, especially in hindsight. The reality is that smartphones in 2006 sucked. Once the iphone came out, we had a wealth of amazing smartphones. So you can argue about whether a patent is obvious or significant till you are blue in the face, but its pretty clear that Samsung would not have been selling anything even close to the Galaxy phones if they had not studied the iPhone.

Re:Thanks Apple (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about 2 years ago | (#41201817)

Most patents on their own look obvious, especially in hindsight.

Something being obvious in hindsight doesn't mean it wasn't also obvious beforehand.

The reality is that smartphones in 2006 sucked. Once the iphone came out, we had a wealth of amazing smartphones.

And if you aren't a complete and total moron, you'd realize that by far the most important innovation that the iPhone brought to the table was targeting general consumers instead of just nerds and businessmen.

Re:Thanks Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201639)

stop using stupid analogies, it makes you look like an idiot

Re:Thanks Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201697)

Disclaimer, parent poster just bought Apple stock and needs it to go up a little more before offloading it.

Signed,

Anonymous Coward.

Re:Thanks Apple (4, Informative)

jacks0n (112153) | about 2 years ago | (#41201719)

What you just described - making a new product by slightly altering an existing one - happens in the food world all the time with no legal issues at all.
What you didn't describe but probably intended to - copying a bread recipe - also happens all the time with no legal issues at all. When either of these things happen, the baker is thrilled. Some of them actually publish books helping you infringe on their own products!
In short, your metaphor fails to map to the primary event in every way possible. Please stick to car metaphors in the future. It's traditional.

Re:Thanks Apple (2)

jaymz666 (34050) | about 2 years ago | (#41201745)

. If I steal some brad from a baker

Isn't slavery involved here somewhere?

Snore. I really don't get the Apple Hater Choir. (-1, Troll)

taharvey (625577) | about 2 years ago | (#41201571)

Why is Apple the bad guy? Lets see So Googles CEO sat on Apples board and had advanced and privileged information on Apples iPhone development. He used this knowledge to build his own competitive copy-cat Android OS and then give it away to Apple competitors for free. These competitors hadn't done anything innovative with their phones in over a decade. But after Apple came out with a game changing new device, they all hopped on the Apple's bandwagon.

It seems to me that the only bad actor here is Google and the Android manufacturers. What they did was illegal, and at best unethical.

Not about hate, not a choir (4, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41201643)

Why is Apple the bad guy?

Because they're basically out to force Android phones off the market.

And being critical of Apple doesn't make you an Apple hater, any more than pointing out all the problems with Android (version fragmentation, lousy development tools) makes you an Android hater. Some of us simply want to have a serious alternative to iOS devices that only run what Apple says they can run,

Re:Not about hate, not a choir (1)

ThePeices (635180) | about 2 years ago | (#41201815)

Some of us simply want to have a serious alternative to iOS devices that only run what Apple says they can run,

I would rather the serious iOS alternative not have Apple dictate what apps it can run.

Re:Not about hate, not a choir (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41201859)

Oh come on, the subordinate clause was directly after "iOS devices".

Re:Not about hate, not a choir (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201861)

No, just the ones that closely copy the iPhone.

Most businesses would do the same to protect 50% of their revenue. Technology or not.

Re:Snore. I really don't get the Apple Hater Choir (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41201661)

The LG Prada, the Palm Treo, and The BlackBerry are all lined up outside and would like a word with you about copying others.

Re:Snore. I really don't get the Apple Hater Choir (0, Troll)

ThePeices (635180) | about 2 years ago | (#41201835)

2/10 Troll.

Let me guess, you own an iPhone, and jerk off on your sense of superiority over others because of your phone?

Your mental capacity is as small as your screen size.

A small thought (5, Interesting)

jareth-0205 (525594) | about 2 years ago | (#41201319)

In the long term, would the best outcome here be for Apple to *succeed*? I mean, if they manage to get their main competitor banned in the States, they look like a unbridled predator competing not with quality, but lawyers. (I know generally /. thinks that already, but general public perception is more important) If the reaction for those wanting a Galaxy III is going to be something along the lines of "why can't I have the shiney thing?" and turn their ire on Apple / lawmakers.

Apple might want to be careful what they wish for... the rest of the world will steam ahead unrestricted, and the case for software patents being harmful will get stronger.

Re:A small thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201359)

I mean, if they manage to get their main competitor banned in the States, they look like a unbridled predator competing not with quality, but lawyers. (I know generally /. thinks that already, but general public perception is more important)

There are some here who don't believe this; I wonder how they'll react to the SIII's inclusion in the banlist...

Re:A small thought (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201649)

U.S., wheres that again? oh a little part of the world over there. Christ get over yourselves.

Re:A small thought (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41201479)

well.. it would still only ban them for one generation. this is just following petty orders to cause misfortune for a competitor... classic tech a-holism.

but what would be a good law would be that if you start suing somebody over patents and blocking their products that you would have to at least tell them all the patents you intend to use for blocking their sales, so you can't just drag the shit on and on and on and try every stupid patent you have that everyones sw is bound to infringe upon one after another.. and the "infringer" would at least know just wtf he should do different to not infringe.

patent office should also have just thrown away every fucking patent that include "on a mobile device" -as if it matters for the patentability if it runs on fucking batteries, since batteries were invented as a concept ages ago, right with electricity..

Re:A small thought (4, Informative)

dotHectate (975458) | about 2 years ago | (#41201523)

I've a friend that's flip-flopped from telling me I needed an iPhone (when I got a Galaxy SII) to telling me how wonderful his wife's Galaxy SIII is. He's not even a tech-type guy and he's talked about the Apple vs. Samsung trial specifically because he wants to get a Galaxy SIII for himself soon.
Customers are fickle (outside of the the fanboy spectrum) and will jump on whatever is "hot" at the time. That's the whole purpose of the "walled garden" that Apple - and yes, Google "Play Store" also - encourages. It's an attempt to lock people into a specific set of devices (ones that you profit from) by discouraging change. Who wants to lose music, games, etc just because there's a new device out that is a little better? The better they can convince people to stay, the more money they can extract.

So yes, outside of the walling of the gardens, I suspect people want those choices. I would find it really interesting to see people genuinely upset that they're getting taken away from them.

Re:A small thought (5, Interesting)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41201851)

That's the whole purpose of the "walled garden" that Apple - and yes, Google "Play Store" also - encourages. It's an attempt to lock people into a specific set of devices (ones that you profit from) by discouraging change. Who wants to lose music, games, etc just because there's a new device out that is a little better?

Uhm, no. There's nothing stopping Apple from installing Android on the iPhone 5. Hell, Apple could have a dual boot phone and offer some real choice. Google Play Store doesn't prevent you from buying or installing software from other sources. However, Apple will not let anyone install iOS on a Non Apple device, and actively works to prevent others from selling software to people who own iPhones.

I get what you're trying to say, but maybe you've never used Linux? I can add multiple "App Stores" (PPA's) to my OS, then get all the benefit of having trusted sources of software, and the choice of deciding who to trust for that software... There is a way to do "Walled Gardens" that allow you to unlock the gate, and visit other gardens, and even make your own garden. Android .APKs are cross platform bytecode, you can take the .APK from the repository, and install it on multiple devices... even a new one you just got. I do fault Google with not giving us easier file system access to the Android devices to make such software migration issues simple. One of the issues is that Davlik VM modifies the bytecode on installation to fix byte order, and static linking on a per machine basis, and you don't really want to keep an extra installation .APK on the system for every program you install. Side loaded apps don't have this problem, but it's not a failure of the "walled garden" / Software Repository System itself -- I frequently mirror my package cache to multiple machines on Linux so public facing bandwidth for updates is only consumed once.

DRM and 3rd party Streaming are what creates the planned obsolescence and vendor locking you're speaking of with songs and software no longer being available. However, My own DRM system is merely PKI that allows the User to accept or deny game mods made from others -- That type of DRM that puts the User in control is Good. I use a streaming system on my desktop machines that lets me stream all my media to any device -- That type of streaming where the user is in control is Good.

It's when the User is not in control of the systems they personally use and rely on that you have problems. I encourage you to read up about Free Software: RMS may be fucking weird but he's damn right.

TL;DR: You just need more control over your software -- Can you access the location where the files are and copy them to another device? If not then that's Treacherous Computing, not a "Walled Garden".

Re:A small thought (1)

Misagon (1135) | about 2 years ago | (#41201587)

Precisely. In the past week, I have seen a lot of Apple hate on Internet forums, not just in those forums that have lots of tech-savvy geeks, and not just in such forums where the majority of users are US:ians. People are pissed off everywhere.

The lawsuit is biting Apple in the ass. The question is if this is going to be limited only to the short term, or if it will have long-term implications.

Re:A small thought (4, Interesting)

Doctor_Jest (688315) | about 2 years ago | (#41201621)

If the Galaxy SIII is on everyone's list (looks like it's a popular phone right now), and somehow the ban goes into effect, there will be tons of pissed people who will remember that Apple told them they couldn't buy a phone they wanted. (Regardless of who implements the ban, the courts, etc... it's Apple's wish, so it's Apple's fault.)

Telling a customer "Apple banned the sales of that phone here in the US" will piss them off for a long time. It's not good to tell someone they can't buy something. :) Apple should realize this by now... but they're just trying to kill off competition (this isn't about patents... it's about market share...) The top dog (now Apple) is taking a page from every other top dog's playbook and litigating their competition now that they're #1 (or perceived as such....) It's not exclusive to Apple, of course... lots of companies do it. Steve Jobs thought Android copied his iPhone, so this is a natural extension of his nerd-rage. Trouble is, Steve's dead... the RDF is fading... people aren't going to be pleased... and Apple may reap the benefits sooner rather than later of the old phrase "don't shit where you eat."

Re:A small thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201623)

Can't really say if they're being bitten anywhere until their next financial report. Public is fickle and will go from "So low of them! I spit on Steve's grave!" to "Oooooh, shiny! Want! Want! Want!" the exact moment iPhone 5 is announced.

Best advertising *ever* (4, Informative)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#41201351)

Just got mine - Thanks for giving me the push to beat your lawyers to market, Apple!

Re:Best advertising *ever* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201379)

Pre-ordered mine after sitting on the original Droid, got it 1 month after the wife got her 4S. The difference is astounding, Apple is so far behind OS wise. Her phone still has the same OS as the first ipod touch, it looks and feels ridiculously ancient.

Re:Best advertising *ever* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201437)

The OS nothing but an app launcher. Only people who have nothing better to do than endlessly tweak stupid shit focuses on the OS over the app.

Re:Best advertising *ever* (4, Insightful)

jareth-0205 (525594) | about 2 years ago | (#41201477)

The OS nothing but an app launcher. Only people who have nothing better to do than endlessly tweak stupid shit focuses on the OS over the app.

In that measure, Android wins. iOS is much more restrictive than Android in what it will let apps do...

Re:Best advertising *ever* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201663)

The problem being, let me reiterate yet again, is that the Iphone does what people need and want it to do. Stop the old keeping up with the joneses, and simply use what you have. People who dwell on specs are people who consume, simply consume to much, you should quite literally be shot.

Re:Best advertising *ever* (4, Interesting)

xaoslaad (590527) | about 2 years ago | (#41201481)

Amen, when my contract was up, I didn't even think twice to ditch Apple last month after their latest round of litigation. Nice new S3. I'm sorry I ever gave them money. I, along with everyone else, have created a monster, and I am immensely sorry for that.

Re:Best advertising *ever* (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201531)

Good for you. Me - I plan to never buy another Samsung product. They're refusing to compensate Apple for their blatant copying, but they rolled over and paid Microsoft $15 per phone, scared by Microsofts patent FUD. When I buy and Android phone, it will not be a Samsung.

Re:Best advertising *ever* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201567)

Ordered my S3 after reading this on /.

Dear Apple: (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201383)

Get fucked. Seriously. You got what you wanted thanks to an incompetent judge and a jury with conflicts of interest. You can't go about trying to use that as a cudgel to ban things that weren't even in the original case.

It's funny how Jobs once said Apple has always been "shameless in stealing great ideas." Yet when you think someone else has done the same thing to you (regardless of evidence or prior art), you clowns get your panties in a bunch and start stamping your feet, crying to the courts, and whining about "going thermonuclear" on Android. Well, guess what, idiots. You can't shamelessly copy ideas then cry foul when you believe you're the one being copied. It doesn't work that way.

To close, Jobs was a great businessman. But he was also a COLOSSAL douchebag with no sense of perspective or grip on reality. I thought when he died that rational heads would prevail in Cupertino. Apparently I was wrong. This fucker's cult of personality is so strong that even now people worship him like he was some sort of deity.

So yes, Apple. You can go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw, because you're pissing away whatever good-will you may have had left. One day, the drooling iZealots will wake up and get off of the trend-whore treadmill.

--Pretentious signature about what device I'm posting from. In this case, my Galaxy S3

Re:Dear Apple: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201413)

And I just thought of something else. Apple reminds me of a kid I knew back in my school days. When they showed up, everyone loved them, and thought they were hot shit. A couple years later, a new kid came along and started to steal their thunder. They got butthurt and went crying to the teacher with all sorts of made up stories to try and make the new kid look bad. In the end, they ended up crying in a corner alone at detention because everyone saw through their bullshit.

different case (1, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 2 years ago | (#41201769)

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/apple-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-patent-lawsuit/ [engadget.com]

'Just to help you keep things straight, remember this is a separate case from the one that ended exactly a week ago with a decision in Apple's favor to the tune of more than $1 billion in damages.'

The 'it could temporarily halt sales in the U.S. market even before the trial begin [sic]' in the summary should have been a tipoff.

And when you start getting angry over people's siglines, you really make yourself look petty and foolish. You also make yourself look like a person who doesn't have enough objectivity for your judgment of whether 'you're [Apple] pissing away whatever good-will you may have had left' to mean anything at all.

Good? (4, Interesting)

taxman_10m (41083) | about 2 years ago | (#41201387)

This is partly because of Samsung's stuff they stuck on top of vanilla android, right? I have an HTC phone and hate the Sense stuff. It would be great if this prompts phone manufacturer's to ditch their own UI "enhancements" for vanilla android, thus leaving any UI patent problems on Google's lap.

Re:Good? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41201537)

This is partly because of Samsung's stuff they stuck on top of vanilla android, right? I have an HTC phone and hate the Sense stuff. It would be great if this prompts phone manufacturer's to ditch their own UI "enhancements" for vanilla android, thus leaving any UI patent problems on Google's lap.

partly.. but mostly it's because samsung has an actual well profitable business selling android phones, unlike most other people. that business being profitable also directly affects the pricing of components apple uses.

(the patent stuff has affected galaxy nexus too, though).

Samsung should argue that it's not a screenlock getting unlocked though, that it's actually already unlocked and running an application when the screen is awoken - because that's what it does, the screen is already awake after being awoken with a keypress of a hw key.

Re:Good? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#41201601)

Samsung should argue that it's not a screenlock getting unlocked though, that it's actually already unlocked and running an application when the screen is awoken - because that's what it does, the screen is already awake after being awoken with a keypress of a hw key.

Perhaps you have just described a component of Apple's patent?

Re:Good? (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 2 years ago | (#41201819)

Actually except for Jellybeans (which doesn't have an HTC Sense equivalent yet), I'd choose HTC Sense over vanilla android in most cases (which is not to say that I like Samsungs' TouchWiz or Motorolas' MotoBlur, I think those tend to hurt vanilla android more they help). Even when I select a custom ROM, I tend to gravitate toward the ROMs based on Sense (which may not be entirely legal, but thus far they haven't pursued anybody).

With HTC, I've never had my gps google maps voice navigation get laggy, or force close on me. Plus HTC usually has the best looking clock widgets, a decent selection of attractive wallpapers, and the smoothest phone contacts scrolling interaction. Those little details make a huge difference in my opinion.

Really, the only Samsung/TouchWiz device I'd really salivate over would be the Samsung Galaxy Note (not its HTC Flyer equivalent), but even there, the low sound volume that Samsung phones usually have could be a showstopper for me (so I'd have to double-check that before I ever go that route).

What I want to know is (3, Funny)

Progman3K (515744) | about 2 years ago | (#41201409)

What happens when the level of ridiculous goes above 100% ?

Do smartphone lawsuits instantly get replaced by something even funnier?

Re:What I want to know is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201447)

> Do smartphone lawsuits instantly get replaced by something even funnier?

I wish they'd be replaced by Thunderdome. Two CEOs enter, one CEO leaves!

At first I thought about doing it with teams of lawyers, but then considered that they'll still be lawyers but also combat hardened and ready to kill, and shuddered at the thought of United Earth State of Jurisprudentia.

Re:What I want to know is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201473)

I wish they'd be replaced by Thunderdome. Two CEOs enter, and then we implode the building.

Fixed for idealism.

Fuck you Apple your phone sucks! (1)

modmans2ndcoming (929661) | about 2 years ago | (#41201443)

Seriously.... The iPhone sucks....yes it is popular but it is a pain in the ass to use for people who are not super computer literate. I told my mother-in-law that she needs to get an android phone. She will have all her games but she will never need to connect it to her PC and worry about a bunch of weird pop-ups asking her to import her pictures or back up her apps, etc.

Fuck Apple.

What if every country did this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201457)

This is just good old fashioned protectionism by the back door. When other countries start to block US companies products through their own "legal" patent laws then we will have a standoff that will be good for no one.

I don't know anything about how international patents work but I for one would not vote for anyone who would agree to abide by silly decisions like this in the UK, or the even more idiotic patents covering human DNA sequences.

 

this is bad (1)

aahpandasrun (948239) | about 2 years ago | (#41201465)

I'm not liking that Apple is using the courts to try and take out their #1 competitor in the smartphone market. It's VERY anti-competitive.

contect ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201487)

could someone translate this slashdot to english
" Apple wasn't contect "

asians never innovate (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201489)

is there anything that came out of asia since the industrial revolution that wasn't just a ripoff of something the west invented? no.

Re:asians never innovate (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201865)

Just off the top of my head:
OLED screens?
Blue diodes?
White LEDs?

And just before you start replying, the US doesn't actually invent anything any more, that gets outsourced. Companies like IBM and Intel do most of their research in Israel. Most chip fab process development happens in the same countries where the fabs actually are. The best medical research is done in Europe. What does the US do still? Shiny consumer products that have absolutely no fucking value other than spaw lawsuits over their rough shape and size. While the Dutch are inventing new contact lens materials, the US is inventing rounded corners.

Puh fucking leez.

toddler tantrums (1)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#41201503)

I have seen toddler behave more adults then these two.
Boo-fucking-hoo what you feel. Now kiss and make up already and let the grownups buy your products.

I really don't care (1)

Pop69 (700500) | about 2 years ago | (#41201513)

I live in Europe and it's slightly more sane over here

This... (1)

LodCrappo (705968) | about 2 years ago | (#41201529)

This, quite literally if Apple succeeds, is why we can't have nice things.

Clarification (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201535)

Could someone clarify for me if this was due to hardware or software infringements? If it's a software issue, why the hardware ban? Why not a firmware/OS update instead?

Re:Clarification (1)

SIR_Taco (467460) | about 2 years ago | (#41201631)

yes

US Patents lead to technological backwater (2)

SpankyDaMonkey (1692874) | about 2 years ago | (#41201549)

I've been following this on Groklaw for a while, and it's obvious yet again how badly the US patent system is broken when Apple can patent a rectangle with rounded corners and succeed in banning devices of the same shape, and yet refuse to licence the basic technology that is needed for the phone to actually behave like a phone and make calls.

In real terms if this judgement stands then the US will end up with technology that lags the rest of the world by whole generations as why should companies like Samsung, HTC, etc etc actually bother releasing their products in the US when Apple will use the courts to ban them?

It's amazing how many of the self proclaimed 'freedoms' and 'ethics' have been quietly swept under the carpet in the name of capitalism and the next quarters profit margin.

It sucks monkey balls to live in the US! (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41201559)

You got Apple dictating what is and what isn't acceptable to be sold in the US. Now you'll have to smuggle the goods from the rest of the world.

Fucking pathetic!

Irreparably harming Apple? (5, Insightful)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 2 years ago | (#41201563)

It seems it would be a hard argument to make that anything was doing irreparable harm to Apple when they are currently the largest publicly traded company in the world.

Re:Irreparably harming Apple? (0)

Targon (17348) | about 2 years ago | (#41201765)

Market cap means NOTHING. You could have a 5 employee company with 10 trillion shares going for $1 each and end up as the largest publicly traded company in the world, but it doesn't mean the company is big or even matters in the grand scheme of things. How many employees, what is the gross and net profit and so on is what is really important, and Apple is NOT in the lead in that regard.

all the scrubs buying foreign knock-offs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201569)

better not cry about american trade deficits and how shitty the economy is.

Banning them will make them more fashionable (3, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#41201609)

Flaunting something not available for sale in the US definitely has a lot of "bling" value. Just like banning songs from radio broadcast in the UK would increase the sales of records. Hollywood stars, rappers and such will flash them around.

So it might be illegal in the US to sell them. Will it also be illegal to posses one? Will the folks smuggling drugs in a tunnel under the kids on my front lawn, switch to smuggling banned phones?

If I was a South Korean diplomat in the US, I would smugly hand Samsung phones out as diplomatic gifts.

Ban the 'phone designed by lawyers'? (4, Interesting)

knarf (34928) | about 2 years ago | (#41201615)

Remember what the press was saying when Samsung debuted the SIII?

The Samsung Galaxy S III: The First Smartphone Designed Entirely By Lawyers [google.com]

And now Fruit wants to ban this lawyer-designed phone? Well smoke me a kipper, either the reality distortion field seems to cause lasting damage or they are communicating with St. Steve through an Ouija board. In any case it does not make sense. And they think they can gain what by doing this? Respect? Money? Time? What, exactly?

As far as I can see all they earn by going on a sueing spree is ridicule, contempt and hatred. For some reason many people seem to get almost religiously attached to their mobile gadgets, and Fruit now acts as if they are the Church of Scientology. Bad fruit. Soon anonymous will start staking out their sales churches.

Before the trial begin? (2)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 years ago | (#41201641)

The trial is almost over. The evidence was presented, the lawyers rested their case. The jury deliberated and returned a verdict. And they found that the Galaxy Tab did not infringe Apple's patents. The judge hasn't completed post-verdict processes and issued a final judgment, but it's late in the day for Apple to be adding devices to this case. Maybe we're talking about another case?

Re:Before the trial begin? (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 years ago | (#41201659)

Ah, there it is. [cnet.com] This is a different case first filed in February this year.

3 years down the line... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201683)

Apple?

Who were they?

This makes me glad that I don't live in the USA (1)

Gonoff (88518) | about 2 years ago | (#41201707)

Apple feels that some things will threaten their high profits. To compete by making products as good as the S3 would lower them.
The alternative is to practice legal scammery (a nice word). Lawyers cost less than having to improve your products and keep improving them. Lawyers can be dispensed with once they have convinced the courts that they invented everything.

I have a GS2 and will not consider an Apple product when the contract expires. This is not because they make rubbish. Their product is pretty average even if their current offering is inferior to what I have. Maybe the next one will be better than everything else. I will not pay money towards destroying the competitive market and nobody with knowledge of technology or economics should either.

Wait, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201779)

"Rather than innovate and develop its own technology and a unique Samsung style for its smartphone and tablet computer products, Samsung has chosen to copy Apple's technology, user interface, and innovative style," Apple said in one document.

I was unaware Samsung wrote Android.

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/12 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41201823)

HUGE Security Resource+ - version 6000 - 08/31/2012
http://cryptome.org/2012/08/huge-sec-v6000.txt [cryptome.org]

The document Slashdot refuses to post!

question for a lawyer? (1)

arbiter1 (1204146) | about 2 years ago | (#41201863)

Being SIII wasn't part of the lawsuit (even though that verdict we know won't stand cause complete F up by the jury), so its not labeled as infringing on any those patents (if they are even valid patents) ?

Not Contect (1)

Apocryphon (1849660) | about 2 years ago | (#41201869)

"Apple named 8 Samsung products it wanted an injunction to ban from sale in the U.S. Apple wasn't contect."

WTF???

Is it just me or did this "summary" make anyone else actually angry?
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