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Most Torrent Downloaders Are Monitored, Study Finds

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the you-ah-being-vatched dept.

Piracy 309

derekmead writes "A new study from Birmingham University in the U.K. found that people will likely be monitored within hours of downloading popular torrents by at least one of ten or more major monitoring firms. The team, led by security researcher Tom Chothia, ran software that acted like a BitTorrent client for three years and recorded all of the connections made to it. At SecureComm conference in Padua, Italy this week, the team announced that they found huge monitoring operations tracking downloaders that have been up and running for at least the entirety of their research. According to the team's presentation (PDF), monitors were only regularly detected in Top 100 torrents, while monitoring of more obscure material was more spotty. What's really mysterious is who all of the firms are. Chothia's crew found around 10 different monitoring entities, of which a few were identifiable as security companies, copyright firms, or other torrent researchers. But six entities could not be identified because they were masked through third party hosting. Now, despite firms focusing mostly on just the top few searches out there at any given time, that's still a massive amount of user data to collect and store. Why? Well, if a reverse class-action lawsuit were feasible, those treasure troves of stored data would be extremely valuable."

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This just in.... (2)

DeTech (2589785) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223375)

monitored torrents likely to be monitored... news at 11.

Re:This just in.... (1, Troll)

Kimomaru (2579489) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223479)

It's definitely not news, but it's mindblowing how many people are totally indifferent to being tracked. Some of the logic I've heard is, "everyone's doing it, it's like speeding - not much of a chance of getting caught" or just complete indifference. Personally, there haven't really been any movies or music made in the past 15 years that are even worth downloading for free, I'll never understand why people bother wasting drive space.

Re:This just in.... (3, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223569)

Why is that mindblowing? It's exactly the attitude people have when speeding and just as true.

And there have been some worthwhile films made in the last 15 years from Hunger (re IRA, not the Hunger Games bullshit) to El Perro.

And sometimes I like to unwind with bullshit entertainment, not something deep and clever.

(Although Slashdot's almost as good for that.)

Re:This just in.... (3, Insightful)

Kimomaru (2579489) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223719)

Nothing worth stealing, though.

Re:This just in.... (4, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223861)

Well, no, it's not worth actually going into someone's cinema/store/house and walking off with a physical copy of the film.

Downloading is another matter.

lol@my troll mod. Did I annoy someone in the past who has mod points today or something?

Re:This just in.... (-1, Flamebait)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224129)

Don't you mean "raping"?

Re:This just in.... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223587)

> there haven't really been any movies or music made in the past 15 years that are even worth downloading for free

um... either you are deaf & blind, a troll, an idiot, an illiterate barbarian or you have a vintage porn fetish... neither of these validates your point since there are TONS of good movies made every year. They just don't play in your local theatre, but they ARE available as a torrent.

I would say that torrents are about to save the movie industry. If only independent filmmakers would realize this and skip the whole distribution channel... For instance in Belgium, if you would take the government sponsoring out of the equation, 95% of all movies are a loss. I wish they would simply release torrents and add a nice donation banner at the end of the movie. I would gladly donate (1 euro if it is a shitty movie, 3 if it was okay, 5 or more if it was awesome) !

there is NO way of doing this legally...

the most baffling part here is that it is SO FUCKING EASY TO DO ! It takes like 10 minutes to make that banner, and 10 seconds to start a torrent. WTF is stopping them ???????????

Re:This just in.... (0)

somersault (912633) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223713)

there is NO way of doing this legally..

Yes there is.. torrents.

WTF is stopping them ???????????

Very few people would donate. Watching movies at the cinema is often a poorer experience than watching at home, for various reasons, but it is one way to guarantee that people pay to watch your movie..

Re:This just in.... (1)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224041)

Very few people would donate. Watching movies at the cinema is often a poorer experience than watching at home, for various reasons, but it is one way to guarantee that people pay to watch your movie..

Have to agree on seeing movies in a theater is awful! I went to an IMAX showing of Batman. I loved the screen but the sound was so loud I had a headache by the end of the film -- it was like a rock concert.I really missed my home theater at the end of that movie!

Re:This just in.... (0)

Kimomaru (2579489) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223797)

In reading your post, if I were you I would avoid throwing the words "idiot" or "illiterate", and definitely "barbarian". Your mirrors are broken. Second, you will definitely feel different if you end up getting fined or sitting in a cell.

Re:This just in.... (5, Interesting)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223815)

WTF is stopping them ???????????

I make open source software. I have a donation link on my site and in my app. I have thousands of people using my app every day.

In an average month, I receive $3 in donations*.

That's what's stopping them - people love to talk about how they don't really want this stuff for free - they only want to be able to pay a reasonable amount of money to the people who create it. But the majority of these people rarely put their money where their mouth is when actually given the opportunity to do so.

I realize I'm comparing software and entertainment, but I haven't yet seen anything that tells me people would behave differently. If they're not voluntarily paying for software that helps them do their jobs every day, I don't see the likelihood of paying for a couple hours of one-time entertainment as being very high.

* Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to profit off of this version of my software and I appreciate even the $1.00 donations. But the data here illustrates my point nicely.

Re:This just in.... (2, Interesting)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223913)

>>> people love to talk about how they don't really want this stuff for free - they only want to be able to pay a reasonable amount of money to the people who create it. But the majority of these people rarely put their money where their mouth is

I want it for free.
There I said it.
I bet 99% of us are the same. For example I read books for free that are published online. The number of actual books on my kindle that I paid for? Zero? If it costs money I skip over it and read the free stuff instead. Same with software. Why pay for MC Office when I can get OpenOffice free? Why buy a CD when I can hear the music free on youtube? There is simply too much free entertainment/software in the world to ever bother paying for something.

Re:This just in.... (3, Interesting)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224419)

I occasionally drop 10 bucks on DwarfFortress. But that's because it's unique, there's nothing out there like it and I'm paying to see it keep getting made.

Re:This just in.... (1)

pinkeen (1804300) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223985)

I think that your logic is a bit flawed here. If you charged $.50 for every download and it was the price (not a voluntary donation) then the stats would be different.

IMHO You can't compare free (as in beer) software (whose author accepts donations) to paid (but reasonably) entertainment.

If you cannot obtain something legally without paying that brings another set of incentives to the table.

Re:This just in.... (2, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224043)

Are you absolutely sure that you have thousands of users? Are you sure your donation system is legit? Are you sure you are asking for donations in the right way - visible, polite and proportionate request, etc.?

I've just finished some vague involvement in a fundraising drive via a raffle thing, i.e. selfish and altruistic components. We raised over $2000 over a few weeks via members on some forum alone. Some people are amazingly generous if you give them a reasonable proposition which accords with their interests. Though I guess it can depend on the culture - some groups pour away their money on things that others would never spend a cent on, even though both groups ostensibly "support" something.

Re:This just in.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224055)

Why don't you charge money for BBSSH? I mean, unfortunatly RIM is in a death spiral. All casual users are jumping ship, only corperate users are really left. You know ones with accounts set up to purchase software. If you are using GPL software then, by all means you have to comply with the license.

Re:This just in.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224187)

I'd have to disagree, I recently attempted to get all my media via the UV service. I figured I'd like to pay for what I want to consume. So I sign up and to my delight find a get a freebie for signing up, peruse the list of feature titles avaiabled and select one.

At this point I'm told "No, go away, you don't run Windows or OS X so therefor you must be a filthy pirate" - well words to that effect.

So I contact support asking if there's a way around this; Nope, I must spend even more money on either a Windows or OS X license, neither of which are acceptable to me.

So here I was ready to spend an average of £300 a month downloading series and films that I've seen over the years and would like to add to my DLNA server I'd setup just for the job, the result of which is don't even bother.

The media conglomorates wonder why they're hated so much, here I was practically begging to give them my money and they give me the finger.

I'll simply go without in that case then, I've plenty of other activities to keep me entertained.

Re:This just in.... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224291)

look at the stats from radiohead releasing their album for donations. They prove your entire update to be inaccurate.

Re:This just in.... (4, Funny)

Antipater (2053064) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223599)

Personally, there haven't really been any movies or music made in the past 15 years that are even worth downloading for free,

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man!"

Oh wait, that movie's not 15 years old. So you wouldn't get it.

Re:This just in.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223781)

Oh wait, that movie's not 15 years old. So you wouldn't get it.

Thank goodness. If that's what passes for dialogue in modern films, the OP was correct.

Re:This just in.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223841)

Obviously you're not a golfer.

Re:This just in.... (1)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223969)

Goddammit, where are my mod points?

Re:This just in.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224109)

Shut the fuck up, Donny!

Re:This just in.... (0)

redmid17 (1217076) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223759)

I wish I had any mod points to vote you down as a troll

Re:This just in.... (5, Insightful)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223919)

Personally, there haven't really been any movies or music made in the past 15 years that are even worth downloading for free, I'll never understand why people bother wasting drive space.

That old Slashdot chestnut.

According to IMDb's these are the highest ranked films in their top 250 that were made in the last 15 years and scored 8/10 or higher:

The Dark Knight (2008), The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003), Fight Club (1999), The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001), Inception (2010), The Matrix (1999), City of God (2002), The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002), The Dark Knight Rises (2012), Memento (2000), American History X (1998), Saving Private Ryan (1998), Spirited Away (2001), American Beauty (1999), Toy Story 3 (2010), The Departed (2006), The Pianist (2002), Life Is Beautiful (1997), WALL-E (2008), The Lives of Others (2006), Amelie (2001), Gladiator (2000), The Prestige (2006), The Green Mile (1999), Requiem for a Dream (2000), Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004), Untouchable (2011), L.A. Confidential (1997), Avengers Assemble (2012), Oldboy (2003), Princess Mononoke (1997), A Separation (2011), Pan's Labyrinth (2006), Downfall (2004), Batman Begins (2005), Inglourious Basterds (2009), Up (2009), Snatch. (2000), Gran Torino (2008), The Big Lebowski (1998), Sin City (2005), No Country for Old Men (2007), Hotel Rwanda (2004), The Sixth Sense (1999), Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels (1998), Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003), The King's Speech (2010), Warrior (2011), The Secret in Their Eyes (2009), Into the Wild (2007), Black Swan (2010), Good Will Hunting (1997), How to Train Your Dragon (2010), Donnie Darko (2001), Finding Nemo (2003), V for Vendetta (2005), Million Dollar Baby (2004), There Will Be Blood (2007), Moonrise Kingdom (2012), The Artist (2011), Amores Perros (2000), The Bourne Ultimatum (2007), Mary and Max (2009), Slumdog Millionaire (2008), Howl's Moving Castle (2004), District 9 (2009), A Beautiful Mind (2001), Ratatouille (2007), Infernal Affairs (2002), The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (2007), Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (2011), The Truman Show (1998), The Wrestler (2008), Ip Man (2008), Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003), Star Trek (2009), Monsters, Inc. (2001), Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter... and Spring (2003), Mystic River (2003), Shutter Island (2010), Let the Right One In (2008) and Big Fish (2003)

Are you really trying to say that none of these are worth watching?

In fact, the only merit to your argument is that all the films that scored higher than 8.8 were made before 1997:

The Shawshank Redemption (1994), The Godfather (1972), The Godfather: Part II (1974), Pulp Fiction (1994), The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966), 12 Angry Men (1957) and Schindler's List (1993)

Re:This just in.... (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223831)

>>>monitored torrents likely to be monitored... news at 11.

"Film at 11" was the old catchphrase used by TV stations. And you're right this is hardly new information, though it is interesting to see HOW much torrents are monitored. After getting caught 3 times I decided to download stuff from a private tracker..... no more problems.

Re:This just in.... (1)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223881)

:o cpu6502, I thought you were all about restrictive ownership of things.

Good on you, though.

VPNs (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223391)

I would assume that most people are using VPNs these days, even for casual web surfing. I don't need my IP recorded by cnn.com and yahoo and youtube and google.

Most good VPNs don't keep logs, or delete logs within 24 hours.

Re:VPNs (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223429)

no, most normal people don't care

Re:VPNs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223485)

and most people don't care because they don't know.

Re:VPNs (1)

Galestar (1473827) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224379)

I know and still don't care. Then again, I live in Canada... we have much different case law re: IP addresses used to identify actual people.

Re:VPNs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223467)

you really live in quite the bubble if you think MOST people are using VPNs...

Re:VPNs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223497)

You have way too much faith in the general public

Re:VPNs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223665)

Well, what is the disadvantage? Why would you NOT want to use one?

I guess I might see a case for a few real time apps like VOIP or maybe egoshooters. But for web surfing? Who wants their every damn move logged and data mined forever?

Re:VPNs (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223867)

Well, what is the disadvantage

You have to configure it, and your VPN is not necessarily covered by the laws that cover ISP's. This is good and bad of course, but if your VPN does something illegal and then declares bankruptcy there's not really anything you can do about it, if your ISP does something illegal odds are it's big enough they won't be out of business and you may get some form of restitution.

Re:VPNs (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224207)

Should you care if your VPN goes bankrupt? Just get another one...

Re:VPNs (3, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223895)

Well, what is the disadvantage? Why would you NOT want to use one?

Because unless you're running your own VPN, there's no proof or guarantee that whoever is running it isn't farming your data anyway, and just lying to you about it.

Re:VPNs (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223971)

That's not a disadvantage. In the event they are, you're no worse off, but you are likely better off. Most of them are probably telling the truth as they have their reputation to consider.

If you're paranoid, string a few of them together.

Re:VPNs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223943)

There's no guarantee that your VPN provider is refraining from mining your data. They promise not to, sure... but the only "good" (read: theoretically inaccessible to DoJ demands) providers are overseas, and they have nothing to fear from any legal recourse available to you, the lowly internet peon.

Re:VPNs (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224093)

Well other than widespread reputation damage that the few people who DO know the value of VPNs will wholesale stop using THEM....

Re:VPNs (1)

alen (225700) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224015)

i pay $50 a month for internet. what's the point in paying for a vpn service? what does it get me other than not being blacked out of Yankee and Met's games on MLB TV Premium?

Re:VPNs (2)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223515)

Most good VPNs say they don't keep logs, or say they delete logs within 24 hours.

FTFY.

Re:VPNs (5, Funny)

Karlt1 (231423) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223613)

"I would assume that most people are using VPNs these days, even for casual web surfing."

The skewed perspective of slashdot never ceases to amaze me.

Re:VPNs (1)

sir_eccles (1235902) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224261)

Are you counting AOL as a VPN?

Re:VPNs (3, Insightful)

OldSport (2677879) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223627)

For my part I don't really know who to trust. How do I know that PrivateInternetAccess is a legit service, and that they are really doing what they say they do? If I'm going to pay for a VPN service, I definitely want to be sure that they are solid.

Can someone clear something up for me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223453)

If I have in the past DL'd one of these tracked torrents, but don't Torrent anymore (except for the P2P client used by games and sometimes for Linux ISo's or other big legal files) are they still monitoring me? What if my IP changes because my ISP changes it?

Also, as to me Newsgroups are an easier way to get what you want, how would they go about monitoring these unless they run one of the access points to NZ's? As my state has outlawed ISP's providing NZ's under the guise of child porn I have to pay access through a third party to get to them, but I do SSL so my ISP can't see at least.

Which blocklist do you use? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223559)

I recently donated to bluetack because I was thankful for their blocklist services. still, I use them only because they show up first on a simple "ip blocklist" query on google.
Which blocklist do you use, and how are you satisfied with their service, and how sure can we be that these 'shady' monitoring services are included/updated on these lists?

that and, all that blocklistupdating consumes a lot of bandwidth, too.. isn't it feasible to update blocklists via magnet links?

ciao from a rainy italy

Re:Which blocklist do you use? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223683)

Peerblock seems pretty thorough.
Of course everyone may as well just start using the free VPN provided by TPB.

Re:Which blocklist do you use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223901)

Except that TPB doesn't provide a VPN and never had anything to do with that. Enjoy your honey trap :)

Re:Which blocklist do you use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223691)

Blocklists are a nice idea, but it seems evidence points to them not really doing much as it's easy to use some other IP number for traps.

Re:Which blocklist do you use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224217)

The block list would only stop them from connecting to your computer, if all they need to get your IP is simply by looking at the tracker.

Now if the block list is on the tracker, then that might have protected you.

Re:Which blocklist do you use? (3, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224353)

Block lists don't work. The lists are overly broad and include a lot of ranges that are clearly not an entity you need to be worried about. Also, it's unlikely that the content holders would do their own research... it's going to be outsourced contractors that clearly would know the value in swapping out IPs.

Don't care (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223579)

Scare tactic away. I'm going to keep downloading.

I can get a product the media assholes won't give me at ANY PRICE! For free.

It's not even up for debate anymore. I'm not listening to the media mafia anymore. Wrong? Illegal? Immoral? Stealing from the artists?
Sure whatever you say fucknuts. I'm going to keep downloading anyway. And teach other people how to as well.

Go try to convince and have an arguement with someone who still cares. I'm going to do whatever i want.
Why? Because fuck you thats why.

And no matter what i do. I'll never be as big of a douche as anyone from the media mafia. Never.

Better products (5, Insightful)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223581)

One day the illegal media cartels might actually get it, that the "pirates" provide a better product. No adverts for other films (Disney is top culprit but there are others), no trailers accusing you of being a crook despite buying a legit DVD / BluRay, no DRM... no regiuon coding, in other words, it just works. The illegal media cartels just p people off with their crappy product.

The problem is, the politicians in many countries that can sort this out have been bought and paid for by the illegal media cartels, so expect no change to their tactics.

Re:Better products (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223647)

Just because you dont like them doesnt make them "illegal media cartels"

But using that term does make you retarded.

Re:Better products (5, Insightful)

Baloroth (2370816) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223711)

OK, you're right. They aren't illegal. That is to say, they aren't illegal under the letter of the law (because they paid a lot of money to help write those laws), they're legal ones that write the laws that they then use to bully, intimidate, and extort individuals to pay them money while ensuring no one can form competition against them.

They totally are a cartel, though, and a thoroughly scummy one at that.

Re:Better products (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223669)

Yep.. if you don't like the terms the artist provides the content under, you can just do what ever you feel like.

Like when Linksys used Linux for it's routers, and didn't provide the source code... the FSF went after them for it, and they eventually settled and provided the source.

And that was their mistake. They should never have settled or provided source. They should have just told the FSF to fuck off. GPL non-compliance makes for a better product!

Re:Better products (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223897)

Expect no change from the public either, as they are too lazy and comfortable to seek out a candidate to vote for. They're too busy voting against the 'wrong' guy. The politicians reflect this perfectly. I couldn't expect anything more from them. Nor should anybody else.

Re:Better products (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223993)

One day the illegal media cartels might actually get it, that the "pirates" provide a better product.

Silly Wowsers, pirates don't provide products, they STEAL money from the mouths of starving... er, um, artists. Yep, artists.

No adverts for other films (Disney is top culprit but there are others),

Without "trailers' how are people supposed to know about all the other films they've made?

no trailers accusing you of being a crook despite buying a legit DVD / BluRay,

No one is accusing you of being a crook. You guys are so sensitive. You are being advised of your side of the copyright agreement so when, sorry, if you break it they have a leg to stand on.

no DRM... no regiuon coding,

Now just how are the distributors supposed to keep people from copying their movies? Without DRM people could do whatever they wanted, and region coding is there to so they can, um, erm, make the films more accessible to fuzzy foreigners.

in other words, it just works.

And if you would just buy the newest players and give up trying to run DVDs and BlueRay disks on everything under the sun it would 'just work'... for a given value of 'work', natch.

Re:Better products (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224063)

Not sure if trolling, or just stupid...

Re:Better products (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224103)

The problem is, the politicians in many countries that can sort this out have been bought and paid for by the illegal media cartels, so expect no change to their tactics.

Unless you're part of the media cartel, how is it a problem? Their tactics have shown to not work. I'd be more worried if they changed tactics to something that works.

Though if any media cartel people are listening... I actually do have the perfect solution to protect your copyrights. It'll just cost you billions and trillions

Hey, if a pirate has to pay tens of thousands of dollars for each 99 cent song pirated, I think it's reasonable that I charge tens of millions of dollars for each 99 cent song protected. Think of all the potential saved sales!

Re:Better products (5, Insightful)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224245)

I was stunned when I watched the Hunger Games Blu-ray this weekend as what I thought was the lead up to the main menu in fact lead to a large message: "Previews for Your Mandatory Viewing". This was a purchased copy mind you, not a rental version. Of course now the Main Menu button was disabled, fortunately the chapter skip button was not (it must not be able to or it would have been).

This button disabling shit is unbelievable, even the Stop button. Yes, the Stop button.

To paraphrase John Siracusa, everything about Blu-ray sucks, except the AV quality, which you can't get anywhere else (legally).

Again, copyrights and patents (1)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223591)

Another story, same exact shit. Patents and copyrights are part of the system that is oppressing the individual freedoms. You want to be monitored and maybe eventually sued, sent to a re-education camp even at some point? How about this: downloading copyrighted material is the sign of terrorist activity, there is a drone out there with a missile with your name on it.

Simple. Be a leech and don't seed. (0)

stevegee58 (1179505) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223595)

Haha! I downloaded them all and uploaded none!

Re:Simple. Be a leech and don't seed. (1)

Orga (1720130) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223891)

What is the point of your post. Article title states: Most Torrent Downloaders Are Monitored, Study Finds

So, back to sneakernet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223607)

Instead of floppies, external hard drives / flash drives?

Re:So, back to sneakernet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223717)

Works really well if you have a few friends who rip their netflix movie rentals...

Re:So, back to sneakernet? (4, Funny)

Razgorov Prikazka (1699498) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223775)

Not a bad idea actually. I really liked face2face feature in sneakernet. Going to a friend and get the latest CD on tape (some of my friends had 'auto-reverse'!) and then go - with the walkman playing my latest freshest copy - to other friends who copied the tape for themselves to their tape (some of those had 'doublespeed'!). Sit down and have a coffee, talk a little until the tape was done. Reverse both tapes. Have another coffee... Great times!

I wouldn't necessarily call it sneakernet though. I would call it a SOCIAL NETWORK!!

Re:So, back to sneakernet? (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224165)

It's a really bad idea.

Have another coffee... Great times!

And then Dave asks if you can get movies, and you can so you do. Then Dave starts asking more and more.

"Listen Dave, I don't mind getting you the odd DVD, but seven times a week is asking a lot"

"I'll pay you"

And so it begins.

This is why I stopped torrenting (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223615)

It's safer to rent movies and rip yourself, direct download links for movies, borrow an open Wifi point, and direct exchange content with friends (hard drive swaps). These methods are far safer than Bittorent. As for TV shows, those seem to be a bit unclear in terms of legality (tested in courts), and not taken to court that I am aware.

Re:This is why I stopped torrenting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223823)

I don't see you mentioning filelockers. Isn't that what most are using now?

I would still be wary of sharing TV in a non-free country. Some programs (like NFL games) have definitely been proven in courts.

Re:This is why I stopped torrenting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223833)

yeah, all this does is drive everyone to russian direct download sites which are fine with me, no annoying ratios to worry about or slow seeding. sure, the free version of most direct downloads is kind of slow but it's plenty fast for music and most xvid movies.

Re:This is why I stopped torrenting (1)

Orga (1720130) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224305)

You must make a distinction, there are different ways one can torrent things. Some ways are less secure that others... if you say just want to use some public tracker from your home pc, then sure, that's not very safe. If you want to say... have a seedbox hosted in a non MPAA, RIAA friendly country and pay that account with untraceable bitcoins using a fake email account you set up over a VPN and then only use private trackers and use SFTP to bring everything back to your home machine I'd say you're safer than even doing what you're suggesting as even your friend can rat you out or your wifi could be monitored.

Analytics (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223657)

A friend of mine works for a UK company (musicmetric.com) that provides artist popularity data to record companies and other entities (top list providers, etc). One of their data points are monitoring of music torrents. Note that this data is not for the purpose of lawsuits but just to see which artists/albums/songs are popular in different countries and regions (even down to city level using geoip lookup). Their spiders/crawers/monitors they have deployed are, AFAIK, hosted by a 3rd party hosting provider. I also know there's another competing company in the UK doing the same thing.

Marketing companies (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223747)

I'm guessing many of them are marketing companies, since torrent feeds give you a fairly accurate picture of what's hot or not and where without the PR spin. Otherwise I don't see much point, the legal value of an IP deteriorates quickly - either you have to send a C&D or sue now, in a year nobody knows who it belonged to.

Re:Marketing companies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224171)

ISPs keep records of who had what IP when dude. It really doesn't take much space in a database to record this, probably takes less than recording all your bill payments. If you counting on no one having a record of what your IP was 18 months ago when you were experimenting with tranny porn...well I have bad news for you....

Name the 6 entities! (3, Interesting)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223755)

"But six entities could not be identified because they were masked through third party hosting."

NSA
FBI
FAPSI
GCHQ
CSE
GCSB

Re:Name the 6 entities! (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223863)

WTF??

Re:Name the 6 entities! (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224067)

Do I have to literally spell it out for you? Or you can try Google.

Re:Name the 6 entities! (5, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223963)

"But six entities could not be identified because they were masked through third party hosting."

NSA
FBI
FAPSI
GCHQ
CSE
GCSB

Please tell me FAPSI has something to do with porn...

Re:Name the 6 entities! (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224045)

Sorry, Russian version of the NSA. Although....

Re:Name the 6 entities! (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224087)

With "FAP" in the name, I figured it was a given.

I dunno (2)

kiriath (2670145) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223777)

Why does it matter that they keep track of this information. Pretty soon we'll all have an IP address and we'll be globally trackable and tracked.

Seems about right to me.

Re:I dunno (1)

kiriath (2670145) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223799)

aww, it took out my tin-foil-hat and /tin-foil-hat

Good Luck... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223791)

I'm behind seven proxies.

Re:Good Luck... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224011)

I'm behind seven proxies.

Yea, we know -

Six of them are ours.

Yours,
The NSA

Incorrect title (4, Informative)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223813)

"We only detected monitors in Top 100 torrents; this implies that copyright enforcement agencies are monitoring only the most popular content music and movie on public trackers," the team says in its presentation paper.

So only people downloading the latest movies/music are monitored.

Re:Incorrect title (4, Interesting)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223879)

"We only detected monitors in Top 100 torrents; this implies that copyright enforcement agencies are monitoring only the most popular content music and movie on public trackers," the team says in its presentation paper.

So only people downloading the latest movies/music are monitored.

FWIW, Pogue's column in the latest Scientific American claims that of the 10 most pirated movies over the internet, none are out there for legal rent or purchase.

Re:Incorrect title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223907)

Or rather, the team's study only looked at the 100 top torrents. Researchers do tend to have limited time and resources.

Re:Incorrect title (1)

Orga (1720130) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223947)

The list of top 100 would of course change over time.. the torrents are monitored not the people downloading. Likely they're recorded. Monitoring people is a whole other story.

Re:Incorrect title (1)

Hentes (2461350) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224107)

Define monitoring people. The IP addresses of peers are logged, according to the paper.

Re:Incorrect title (1)

Orga (1720130) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224343)

"Define monitoring people."
In this sense I'd say monitoring is then tracking the activity of that IP address unrelated to the specific torrent that was just then downloaded.

Ensuring your guilty (1)

na1led (1030470) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223835)

Since about 99% of the population will commit some sort of copyright infringement in their life, they can hold it over you in the event you decide to make a complaint.

Re:Ensuring your guilty (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224061)

> Ensuring your guilty

Ensuring my guilty, huh.

EULA (3, Funny)

dmbasso (1052166) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223849)

Well, if a reverse class-action lawsuit were feasible,

No, my EULA explicitly says you drop your right for a class-action lawsuit.

Finding targets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41223871)

rather than pinging every IP address to find a target, run a torrent monitor for a few minutes and you'll have a multitude of targets.

I blame the content. (1)

ciderbrew (1860166) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223959)

I'm looking at the list of films I can go see at the cinema today. None of them are worth this level of intrusion. Stop making films and music it's bad for freedom. :)

Public trackers are like sleeping with hookers. (1)

Orga (1720130) | more than 2 years ago | (#41223995)

It might be easy but it's going to make you worry the next day and might come back to haunt you later.

Very unlikely anything would happen... (1)

rs1n (1867908) | more than 2 years ago | (#41224013)

There are several reasons why I think reverse class action suits or even fine-per-infraction would happen. If all you do is download, then the copyright holders would have to not only identify you (and IP's are not reliable) but also get around fair use (depending on where you live) in the case where you download content you've already purchased. If you're also seeding, then chances are you will probably get caught sooner or later.

It will be used for the six strikes policy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41224157)

All this data will eventually be used for the six strikes policy, all they need is your IP address. It will be collected, automatically reported and the user punished accordingly. When the system comes online, expect millions of comcast users getting their first strike in one day as part of in a massive anti-piracy PR media blitz. It will make the national news as the message will be is "You will get caught, and your internet access will be in jeopardy".

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