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Leave Your Cellphone At Home, Says Jacob Appelbaum

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the as-you-well-know dept.

Privacy 306

An anonymous reader writes "N+1 has an interview with Jacob Appelbaum (who is part of the Tor project) titled 'Leave Your Cellphone at Home.'" Jacob has a lot to say about privacy, data security, and surveillance. He ought to know. Among other things, he's had his email seized, been relieved of his phone, been the subject of a National Security Letter (video) and generally had his travel disrupted.

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306 comments

Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (5, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#41224479)

There, fixed that for ya. Amazing how they managed to get darned near 100% of the population to agree to carry around a tracking device with nary a peep. All it took was to be very careful to NOT talk about the tracking ability, keep news accounts of the police using the cell data off the front page and make the tracker shiny and useful enough. Do those things and not only will everyone carry one they will pay an average of $50/mo for the privledge. Land of the Free indeed.

Won't be long now before they decide they have the hook set deep enough they can start making more overt use of the location/activity data without many people ditching their tracker.

The carriers WILL start renting out access to track data for advertising purposes. They know where and when you are. They will be able to link that beyond your phone. Won't take much computation to get that localized enough to have a good idea which PC you use and then tie it to doubleclick and google's cookies. Then they know EVERYTHING. Combine a tracking cookie to hard billing quality identification data and the possibilities are truly limitless. Sure they COULD do that with Amazon but there is too great a chance of a user revolt. But people won't/can't give up their iShiny.

What law enforcement will do with the data is so obvious and so dark there isn't much point in hammering it again really. Especially combined with security cameras everywhere. Who cares if the image quality isn't good enough for a positive id or you were wearing a hoodie. It gives a time/location and the tracker gives them who was at that spot in spacetime.

Bust a drug dealer and you have probable cause to grab a trace on everyone who came in contact with that person for the last month. Crunch the numbers enough and lots of patterns emerge. Not quite precrime but close enough. You show up as having been in the room with a number of dealers and that will be your ass. Or be around a few people who later get busted for burgulary and how soon until that is cause for a search warrant on your place? Being able to effortlessly work backwards from a bust and turn up clues like that will change the law enforcement game entirely.

And now you see why AT&T yanked all their payphones and for some reason simply refuses to compete in the landline business, even with billions and billions in sunk costs for all that wire going everywhere. Eliminate hardlines and everyone MUST buy a cell. It is already sorta odd to encounter someone who doesn't carry one, eventually it will be reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Wouldn't suprise me if they become the preferred physical identifier, i.e. 'your papers.'

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (2, Insightful)

EnergyScholar (801915) | about 2 years ago | (#41224707)

Why was this last comment modded down, and by whom? It seems like a pretty good comment to me. Who, besides a forum spy [cryptome.org] , would want to keep the above comment out of sight?

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224769)

The poster you replied to is infamous for his extreme- to ultimate-right political views, and I suspect that -1 is his default score. In other words, a broken watch is right twice a day.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (2, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#41224971)

You are half right. Most people assume I'm a bible humping right winger, but in reality I'm an agnostic anti-idiotarian Libertarian. And this crap annoys my Libertarian tendencies. If I didn't need one for work I wouldn't carry a mobile device. But yea the hivemind has started demonstrating their tolerance and diversity bigtime on my ass of late. I just say "bring it bitches." because nothing says "I can't win an argument" like organizing a movement to silence the few of us around here who don't toe the Party line.

The lamers downmodding don't bother me, do wish the admins would lay off though and put my account back to normal. Since pissing one of them off a few months ago karma goes down far faster than it goes up. One downmod is usually enough to kill the posting bonus now. Still manage to average three replies per post though so it hasn't silenced me. Never saw that sort of heavy editorial hand back when Cmdr. Taco ran things so it is a bad sign of things to come.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (5, Informative)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about 2 years ago | (#41225231)

Meanwhile I have good karma with a default score of 2 for being a complete tool.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (4, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#41225389)

> Meanwhile I have good karma with a default score of 2 for being a complete tool.

Hey, I posted at +3 (Karma + subscriber) unbroken for pretty much the entire time the current slashdot model existed until a couple of months ago when I pissed off an admin or they totally redesigned the moderation system. Since there hasn't been widespread complaining I assume it is just me that is getting the special treatment. Mods can't really hurt you unless you are a totally usless user who never says anything worthwhile. The downmods get cancelled out by upmods on the good stuff and it all works out.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (-1, Troll)

ryanov (193048) | about 2 years ago | (#41225375)

Libertarian = extra ignorant and extra selfish run of the mill conservative.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225607)

Libertarian = extra ignorant and extra selfish run of the mill conservative.

Archetypal lefty slashdoter. [youtube.com]

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225445)

Taco would directly edit people's stats with the mysql shell just to piss them off.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (4, Insightful)

mrex (25183) | about 2 years ago | (#41225673)

nothing says "I can't win an argument" like organizing a movement to silence the few of us around here who don't toe the Party line.

Hear, hear. We might be on completely opposite ends of the political spectrum, but democracy is dead if we allow that to mean we can't have a civilized conversation with each other about the issues. Kudos to you for putting your beliefs out there for examination and peer review, and shame on the people who are trying to silence you instead of responding to your cogent and valuable posts.

Get that 40% off from ATT!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224817)

1. AT&T ditched their pay phones because they didn't make any money.

2 . hardlines - they WANT you to keep them! Really! Case in point: when I called to drop my hardline ATT immediately, without asking, cut roughly 40% off of my bill to keep me on ($95 [with internet] down to $60). Reason given by customer retention person - "We DON'T want you to give up your landline!".

Sunk costs indeed.

After hearing that they could have reduced my bill at anytime, I told them that I was not interested. Cancel immediately. Thank you.

Firm and cold stops all salespeople in their tracks - no emotion is the key.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (3, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about 2 years ago | (#41224927)

holy tinfoil

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

Anne_Nonymous (313852) | about 2 years ago | (#41225223)

>> holy tinfoil

Tinfoil is a plot by the Hypotenuse Society to control the emotions of individuals through space worm infestation.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 2 years ago | (#41225395)

holy tinfoil

You get a tinfoil hat for free with your 4-digit slashdot uids.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225507)

Just because you are okay with leaving the bathroom door open when in use, does not mean everyone else is okay with it as well.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41225589)

it's not tinfoil.
the only thing keeping government tracking you with your cellular data is the government.

but don't americans really understand that? don't you watch your own movies - aren't there high profile murder cases where cellid data is used? there's been several in Finland - the only thing keeping the abuse off is having few good cops. impossible to say what the secret("protection") police is up to though, but in general they don't fuck around with population in Finland(nobody really knows what the fuck they're up to - though general consensus is that they're just taking their pay and doing fuck all nothing which is good I suppose, well that and following russkies and americans and again doing fuck all nothing even if they fly illegal prisoners through the airports).

eliminating landlines by at&t though is just cost savings.. no need for technicians that much. besides haven't I read a bunch of complaints about how you have to get landline to get dsl in some regions?

it was kind of fishy though in nyc to have to show ID to buy a prepaid phone card(fyi around here I can go and buy a prepaid internet stick from a kiosk and pay with cash and torrent all week long). it's stupid because terrorist could just as well buy a prepaid phonecard overseas - or with a fake id.

anyhow, you could just turn the damn thing off and not leave it at home, if they got a self-contained-self-powered bugging device implanted they're so deep in your ass already they might have put it in your appendix.

What about ... (3)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#41224967)

Put your device into wifi mode, only use open access points and communicate over tor?

More people should leave their access points open for the greater good. Or have one open and one closed for their personal use.

Too bad that's not the case =p

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

jonfr (888673) | about 2 years ago | (#41225031)

The problem is not technology. But governments how are happy to abuse it against it's citizens and others how travel across countries borders (U.S in this case. But this applies on a lot wider scale today). If you want to carry an mobile phone. Get the dumbest quad-band phone you can find. Or just use smart phone as dumb phone with nothing special in it (wipe it clean before crossing the border. Keep the backup encrypted on Google drive or Dropbox).

There are options are out there. One of them is to have no mobile phone at all. But that limits one choices today in terms of connectivity.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 2 years ago | (#41225617)

Any mobile phone can be tracked, you don't need GPS capability. I turn off hte GPS but at times it is suprisingly accurate about knowing where I am with out it. The difference with smart phones is that this info is on the phone, with a dumb phone someone would have to query the carrier's data.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225255)

Exactly so.

Welcome to the fascist United Snakes of Amerika, Inkorporated, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the international bankster cabal. "1984" and "Brave New World" were supposed to be dire warnings of a possible alternative future, not an operations manual for the Powers That Be.

We are tracked by our cell phones, our automobiles (OnStar) & license plate cameras, the public cloud of face recognition video surveillance cameras, UAV drones equipped with FLIR & Hellfire missiles, cancer-inducing naked body scanners, lamp-posts with microphones tied to Fusion center-based voice recognition computers, our home computers hacked by the Police State to remotely turn on embedded cameras and which monitor every keystroke, and even SmartMeters that monitor every home appliance. Next on their agenda -- the end of cash, and universal RFID "chipping".

The old Soviet Block Stasi & KGB would be very envious of "our" national security surveillance police state grid.
"Your papers, please."
You will submit to public strip searches & full body cavity searches by the army of TSA pedophiles that only change their gloves when they wear them out or tear a hole in them.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225273)

what's a lojack?

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (2)

geminidomino (614729) | about 2 years ago | (#41225321)

It's like a cell phone for your car that doesn't work quite as well. Oh, and doesn't make phone calls or send SMS.

Re:Leave you phone^W lojack at home. (5, Funny)

CubicleZombie (2590497) | about 2 years ago | (#41225381)

If you intend to commit a crime, leave your phone somewhere that will support your alibi. If you're going to frame someone, take theirs.

And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224527)

If todays phones are nothing more than tracking devices for the government and anybody with the right tools to know where we are at all times, then why are we paying for this?

I mean facebook is free and collects tons of information, yet we pay to use our phones and it collects our information the same way...

Re:And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" (5, Insightful)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41224909)

if you pay for it, you think you have gotton value.

if they gave it away for free, you'd think it was worthless.

perceived value.

just like sms is seen as having value when its just spare bytes that are always there on every packet, no matter what! costing nothing but they convince you that you need YET ANOTHER form of email and they gave it a cute next, texting.

what a nice scam to be in on. if you're the unethical type, that is.

Re:And to think I'm paying for this "convenience" (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#41225387)

There could come a time very soon when NOT carrying a cellphone will be viewed as evidence of criminal activity in-and-of itself. Much like not carrying an ID can get you thrown in jail today, tomorrow's cops may well toss you into the clinker for not carrying a cellphone (i.e. tracking device).

So . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224579)

He sounds like a threat to someone.

Re:So . . . (2)

killmenow (184444) | about 2 years ago | (#41224643)

We're all threats to someone.

Re:So . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225237)

We're all threats to someone.

No. No we are not.

Re:So . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225521)

By posting as an AC, and yes i am aware of the irony, you are indeed a threat to someone.

Re:So . . . (1)

killmenow (184444) | about 2 years ago | (#41225575)

Okie dokie, Maurice.

Not just your phone! (5, Funny)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#41224615)

This isn't just with phones. Did you know that law enforcement agencies can see what you're doing when you're on the internet?? You should stop using the internet. But it's probably too late, anyway, because they've probably infected your computer with a program that monitors your every keystroke!

And that's not all! Did you know there're identifying numbers on your car, too? Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

And don't even get me started about how unsecure your fingertips are.

Re:Not just your phone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224693)

As usual, the key here is never attract their interest.

Re:Not just your phone! (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 2 years ago | (#41225173)

As usual, the key here is never attract their interest.

I think that that is the message.

Driving while black (2)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41225337)

How should one never attract the interest of law enforcement while, for example, law enforcement officers continue to practice unofficial racial profiling?

Re:Not just your phone! (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 2 years ago | (#41225363)

Freedom through obscurity is... Oh wait- what?

Re:Not just your phone! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224719)

This isn't just with phones. Did you know that law enforcement agencies can see what you're doing when you're on the internet?? You should stop using the internet. But it's probably too late, anyway, because they've probably infected your computer with a program that monitors your every keystroke!

And that's not all! Did you know there're identifying numbers on your car, too? Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

And don't even get me started about how unsecure your fingertips are.

Sarcasm fail.

Data doesn't have an inalienable right to be collected. Just because it exists does not grant a human or human operated computer to collect and use it.

Re:Not just your phone! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225197)

So does information want to be free or not? Or is it just whatever information YOU say should be free "wants" to be free? This is getting really confusing. And who are you again? Why are you the one deciding exactly what information should or shouldn't be free?

Solution (4, Insightful)

ADRA (37398) | about 2 years ago | (#41224751)

Problem
"And don't even get me started about how unsecure your fingertips are."

Solution:
Hot irons

Re:Solution (2)

Hillgiant (916436) | about 2 years ago | (#41225409)

Nope.

Scarred fingerprints set off even more alarm bells than normal ones. Plus the scar pattern is often uniquely identifiable. Better to be safe and chop the whole finger off.

Re:Solution (1)

Nationless (2123580) | about 2 years ago | (#41225609)

Although tracking you by your stump-prints might be even easier! Better to be safe and chop the whole limb off.

ENTRAPMENT (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 2 years ago | (#41225641)

You are just trying to trick into leaving an easily trackable trace of my blood rich in succelent DNA everywhere I go... granted not very far with me spurting blood from where once my fingers were but still, police could track me to my corpse!!!

Re:Solution (1)

steelfood (895457) | about 2 years ago | (#41225655)

A really sharp knife or a pair of bolt cutters.

Thanks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225007)

Whew, thanks! If it wasn't for your sarcastic dismissal of the police state, I'd STILL be thinking I live in one, and I'd STILL assume that government is untrustworthy by default. I'm a changed man, thanks to you!

Sometimes it almost seems like the complacent have more hatred for the paranoid than the authorities who conduct the actual oppression. Here's some food for thought: the usual difference between a complacent and a paranoid is that the paranoid has first-hand experience.

Re:Not just your phone! (2)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 2 years ago | (#41225111)

And that's not all! Did you know there're identifying numbers on your car, too? Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

Apparently so. [kansascity.com]

Re:Not just your phone! (3, Informative)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#41225129)

> Law enforcement can track you and indict you simply because of a number on the backside of your car! You should probably just leave your car at home.

Yea, that is becoming a major nightmare. Until pervasive cameras it didn't matter much. The could put an APB on a plate number and still not have a very high success rate on the cops finding it. Now with cameras in every intersection that changes. They can get a big chunk of the same info collection that way that cell phone tracking gives them but it isn't quite as good. All tracking cars does is show where the car went, the camers may or may not give a good enough image to prove who was in it. And more than one person can be in a car at the same time. If you have phone data the cars don't add a lot.

Of course they require a lot less legal issues to make use of images already sitting on traffic and homeland security machines so they are starting there. Later they can supplement it with the cell tracks and the merged dataset will be very complete in the picture of where a person goes and what they are doing.

Re:Not just your phone! (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | about 2 years ago | (#41225281)

I'm sure law enforcement agencies who can see what you're doing when you're on the internet can see who accesses those shiny Tor gateways too.

Re:Not just your phone! (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#41225537)

> see who accesses those shiny Tor gateways too.

Yup. People always seem to forget the utility of traffic analysis. Use Tor, encrypt everything, doesn't matter. Just using Tor is going to put you on the short list of people who bear additional attention. Either an paranoid, anarchist or pedo. Odds are more than one of those three. And while the libertarian side of me screams the coldly rational side does have to admit to the reality that it is also true. If I were a cop I'd be making that exact assumption and be right far more often than I was wrong. Playing those odds would lead to a high arrest rate and a promotion.

So how do we fix that problem. Hell, we can't even get more than a percent to even sign email yet with only a little effort from the few developers we could be encrypting most email by default. Default and entirely transparent are the keys to a more secure Internet. Wouldn't even matter a lot if the key management for those 'normals' wasn't perfect. Just getting to a point where most email traffic flowed from server to server unreadable would help. But yes my above observation about traffic analysis would still apply. That could be tackled once we had enough encrypted traffic we could hide things in the stream.

Re:Not just your phone! (2)

s0nicfreak (615390) | about 2 years ago | (#41225339)

And even if you leave your phone and car at home... law enforcement agents can still see what you're doing with their eyes! Better just board up all your windows and stay inside, get rid of the phone and internet, and have no contact with the outside world - because someone might SEE it.

Leave it at home? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224641)

Isn't the whole point of a cell phone to take it with you? If you're going to buy one to leave at home, just get a land line.

Re:Leave it at home? (4, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | about 2 years ago | (#41224675)

You could just leave the SIM card at home and take the phone with you. The wi-fi capability is all you need to maintain communications with the outside world in most urban environments, and doing encrypted, TORed VOIP over a wifi connection shouldn't identify you like the SIM would.

Re:Leave it at home? (3, Funny)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | about 2 years ago | (#41224783)

I use CDMA [wisegeek.com] you insensitive clod!!!

Re:Leave it at home? (1)

Rob Riggs (6418) | about 2 years ago | (#41224803)

You could just leave the SIM card at home and take the phone with you. The wi-fi capability is all you need to maintain communications with the outside world in most urban environments, and doing encrypted, TORed VOIP over a wifi connection shouldn't identify you like the SIM would.

That works only if you know how to spoof your device's MAC address. Otherwise, you are just as uniquely identified as your SIM.

Re:Leave it at home? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41224843)

Why does that matter?
Do you think they are monitoring the access point?

MAC addresses don't get sent beyond the broadcast domain.

Re:Leave it at home? (1)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#41225437)

MAC addresses don't get sent beyond the broadcast domain.

You sure?

Re:Leave it at home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224925)

you know... given enough devices there are duplicate mac addresses. that was part of the reason that some make it so easy to change them.

Re:Leave it at home? (4, Informative)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 2 years ago | (#41225161)

Not unless someone is doing something they shouldn't. Each device is assigned a unique 48bit MAC address at time of manufacture. Each one.

You buy a 24 bit prefix from IEEE (I think) and are then supposed to do your own accounting on the lower 24 bits to be sure you don't duplicate one. If you have ever looked up a MAC to see who made the device, that is how it works. The owner of the prefix is a published record.

Re:Leave it at home? (1)

ryanov (193048) | about 2 years ago | (#41225399)

Unless you want to, I don't know, make a phone call?

No open access points in range (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41225403)

The wi-fi capability is all you need to maintain communications with the outside world in most urban environments

But not for seeking roadside assistance, in my experience (Fort Wayne, Indiana). And even once at the destination, there are still lots of places where Wi-Fi is explicitly for employees only.

Re:Leave it at home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225461)

That is just what they want you to believe.

The truth is the IMSI is in the phone's firmware, not in the SIM. If the cellular radio is on, it still connects to the local towers and registers. How else do you think a SIM-less phone can make E911 calls?

Re:Leave it at home? (1)

CRCulver (715279) | about 2 years ago | (#41225519)

The truth is the IMSI is in the phone's firmware, not in the SIM. If the cellular radio is on, it still connects to the local towers and registers.

At least on my phone (Nokia N900), I can disable the cellular radio entirely with a call to rmmod, while maintaining wi-fi capability.

Re:Leave it at home? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225677)

The N900 and OpenMoko are probably the only two you can do that with. Most modern cell phones have one chipset that handles all radio -- cellular, wifi & bluetooth. Remove the module, it goes silent. Most are still black-box, binary blobs, unfortunately.

Besides, the NSA is on to you. They just remotely activate the FM transmitter in your N900 via a BlueSnarf and they've got you and all your Slavonic crypto linguistic friends!

Re:Leave it at home? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#41224831)

Isn't the whole point of a cell phone to take it with you? If you're going to buy one to leave at home, just get a land line.

Problem is the mobile devices have shot right past "only in necessary situations" to "what the heck, everything, all the time, everywhere" to the point of addiction (gotta text someone on /. called me an addict!), can't put the thing down while driving, interrupt conferences or work taking personal calls, etc.

Can anyone read the site? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224771)

The font they use is atrocious, I can't read the article at all.

Re:Can anyone read the site? (2)

QilessQi (2044624) | about 2 years ago | (#41224891)

Try Readability:

http://readability.com/ [readability.com]

Also available as a browser plug-in.

A Coincedence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224781)

I starting reading this article, and five minutes later my Google Mail connection goes out with Temporary Error (500). I understand I can't come to any conclusions without reproducibility, so please post below if you experience something similar.

I carry it with me (0)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#41224785)

Got a mobile phone for one reason, to be able to communicate when necessary in a hurry. I don't gab, I don't purchase, I don't bank, I don't web surf, I don't do anything to compromise any data by my phone. I generally have the ringer off to preserve battery (it's a stupid phone which will run the battery down notifying me the battery is getting low), but it's a basic phone for one use and that use only. I'll keep taking it with me.

Re:I carry it with me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225413)

Your location can be tracked even without using data. And some (many? most?) phones now can have their mic activated remotely. Even if you think you have nothing to hide, the powers that be could still try to use your phone to indirectly wiretap your poker buddy because he went to an Occupy/Tea Party protest. Or your corporate competitor might figure out how to do the same thing.

Agreed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41224821)

Having recently had a work issued cell phone and a work issued computer confiscated at the border, I completely agree.

Re:Agreed. (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 2 years ago | (#41225377)

Why would they confiscate your phone and computer at the border? Was this the US border?

Take your phone, turn it off (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#41224847)

Keep your phone on you, powered down. Or powered up in airplane mode (cell, gps, wifi turned off) if the phone has it. (Advantage is that "airplane mode" is usually instant on.)

This is assuming that you're carrying a phone that can be powered down. If not, I agree; leave it at home. Or get a different phone.

Re:Take your phone, turn it off (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225379)

Don't just turn it off. Remove the battery. Oh wait!

Re:Take your phone, turn it off (1)

DigitAl56K (805623) | about 2 years ago | (#41225483)

Keep your phone on you, powered down. Or powered up in airplane mode (cell, gps, wifi turned off) if the phone has it.

That would make cell-phones nearly useless. Nobody could reach you quickly. Imagine if everyone you wanted to reach quickly also did this.

Re:Take your phone, turn it off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225559)

Keep your phone on you, powered down.

And when they will need to tap it, they will activate it...

Blessings on Jacob and Julian (2)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 2 years ago | (#41224933)

And please let us not forget one of the overriding stories against free speech and transparency:

http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/suspicious.pdf [www.nnn.se]

http://www.whale.to/b/gelbspan_b.html [whale.to]

And blessings on Jacob for everything he's done and is still doing.

Re:Blessings on Jacob and Julian MOD UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225649)

If you're using the internet, this is the material you must read!

Re:Blessings on Jacob and Julian MOD UP (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41225693)

Yeah, but... a PDF? C'mooooooon.

a much better idea (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 2 years ago | (#41224935)

Or, put your phone in a RF-blocking container like a Faraday mesh sleeve (not expensive) and then if you do want to use it, pull it out and use it. That's obviously superior to leaving it at home. You could just pull the battery too.

Re:a much better idea (1)

rullywowr (1831632) | about 2 years ago | (#41225025)

Kinda makes it hard to get any incoming calls, messages, etc...

Re:a much better idea (1)

Ogive17 (691899) | about 2 years ago | (#41225057)

Why go to all those troubles when the off button would work just as well?

Re:a much better idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225125)

Because phones aren't actually off. They just look like they are off.

Re:a much better idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225309)

Uh, I don't know of any modern phone that doesn't completely turn off with the power button. Obviously, there is an IC either monitoring or awaiting a hardware interrupt on the power button, but those are running a ridiculously small duty-cycle, i.e. it just samples the state of the power button once every second.

Re:a much better idea (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225345)

No, no, see, it transmits your GPS coordinates to a monitoring station while "off" all the time and magically does this without draining any battery power or emitting detectable RF.

Re:a much better idea (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 2 years ago | (#41225505)

Have you seen how long it takes for a modern phone to turn on? You may as well leave it home. (I think my iPhone takes several times longer than my desktop to cold boot).

Re:a much better idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225239)

Or, put your phone in a RF-blocking container like a Faraday mesh sleeve (not expensive) and then if you do want to use it, pull it out and use it. That's obviously superior to leaving it at home. You could just pull the battery too.

Is this real or sarcasm? Do you have a source where I can buy one?

Re:a much better idea (2)

RubberDuckie (53329) | about 2 years ago | (#41225553)

He's right, you can get one here [faradaybag.com] . Of course I've probably placed myself on some government agency watch list by posting this.

Yeah right. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225013)

Anyone who thinks leaving a cell phone at home, powered off, or in airplane mode is an option obviously doesn't have a wife.

Re:Yeah right. (1)

iONiUM (530420) | about 2 years ago | (#41225429)

Or.. anyone, at all. Many of the suggestions on Slashdot about avoiding privacy invasions would only be possible if you were a hermit, living in the basement, and having no contact with society.

Pandering to the base, I see (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 2 years ago | (#41225477)

...would only be possible if you were a hermit, living in the basement, and having no contact with society.

All the time we get "Why the hell is this posted on slashdot?" Here, it seems, is an article aimed directly at the core demographic.

Re:Pandering to the base, I see (1)

iONiUM (530420) | about 2 years ago | (#41225539)

Yea, because the core demographic is going to not take their cellphone travelling....

The warning might be correct, but the solution is not reasonably possible for most "normal" people.

Re:Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225561)

In other words, Slashdotters

Re:Yeah right. (1)

maccodemonkey (1438585) | about 2 years ago | (#41225623)

Welcome to Slashdot.

Out-of-touch fool (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225023)

Look, nobody gives a flying fuck about privacy. It's an outdated concept and belongs in the past.

You can easily tell who's an old coot completely out of touch with the world--they're the only ones bitching about lack of privacy.

Complaining about lack of privacy is morally equivalent to complaining about women in management positions. It just makes you an enemy of progress.

Re:Out-of-touch fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225065)

haha! he posts as anon coward.

(oh, wait...)

Re:Out-of-touch fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225149)

Nah just too lazy to register.

Yottabytes (1)

lcampagn (842601) | about 2 years ago | (#41225305)

"Bamford projects that its processing-capacity may aspire to yottabytes, or 10^24 bytes"

Let's do some math here.. a 100,000 square-foot room with (let's be generous) 10 meter ceilings has a volume of 9.3e13 mm^3.
At 1YB, the average data density in the room would be 10 GB/mm^3, with no room left for racks, walking space, ventilation, etc.
Let's just guess that, optimistically, we can occupy about 1/10th of the total space with storage devices. Then the peak data density is 100GB/mm^3.

So a storage device with a volume of 2000 cm^3 (roughly the size of a standard hard drive) would have to hold 200 PB each. That exceeds our current capabilities by something like 10,000.

Re:Yottabytes (2)

shippers (1100005) | about 2 years ago | (#41225667)

I can only imagine it's referring to throughput, rather than storage, i.e. the data comes in, gets analysed and is then discarded. Even so, that would require units of time in there, like yottabytes per second or something. I don't know... any excuse to talk in terms of yottas and sound impressive I suppose.

Ten Years of Being Cell Phone Free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41225351)

It's been ten years since I owned and used a cell phone. At times its awkward when you're being asked for contact information, but I really don't care. Occasionally it makes life a bit more difficult as one has to plan and can't exactly be spontaneous. But pressure keeps building to get one.

I see it also as sort of a zen thing. No electronic leash or Pavlov bell sort of thing. Just peace and serenity. If you want to contact me, send an email and I'lll respond at some later point.

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