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First Impressions of Windows 8 Powered Nokia Lumia 920 and 820

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the long-live-maemo dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Nokia CEO Stephen Elop first took to the stage at Center548 on New York City's West Side, where Microsoft had first unveiled Windows Phone 7 in late 2010, to claim that Nokia was becoming a 'more nimble competitor' thanks to several strategic decisions under his tenure, including the choice of Windows Phone as the company's primary smartphone platform. ... In terms of [the 920's hardware]: the battery is 2000 mAh; the processor is a dual-core Snapdragon S4, which was apparently selected for its energy efficiency; and the aforementioned wireless charging, based on the 'Qi' wireless charging standard. ... Despite the enthusiasm displayed onstage for Windows Phone 8, the new smartphone platform poses something of a conundrum for Nokia. The company invested heavily in Windows Phone 7, all but abandoning its homegrown operating systems — including Symbian, once a dominant player in the mobile arena — in favor of Microsoft’s platform. But those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps."

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Interesting, very interesting +1 (0, Troll)

WaggStrm (2723451) | about 2 years ago | (#41235187)

I must say I'm quite amazed by Nokia's latest offering. 2000 mAh battery with WIRELESS CHARGING along with amazing camera is something to be massively impressed with. Quad-core Snapdragon S4 CPU is fast as hell and the platform Windows 8 is a great choice.

The best thing about this is how effective the platform can be for developers. You get to use Visual Studio (one of the best IDE's in the world, in my honest opinion) and you get the good audience (rich smartphone uses with not as much competition as iPhone or Android). It is truly great opportunity for developers.

Apple didn't even come close to "inventing the smart phone" as if it were a complete thing unto itself. They didn't invent the touchscreen, the computer processor, they didn't invent operating systems, they didn't invent wireless data transfer or cellular communications.

What they did was take existing tech and combine it in a new way. Not to denigrate apple's achievements; they're phenomenal. But the things they're claiming to "own" aren't really the things that allowed the smartphone revolution to occur.

That's why I think Nokia will win this battle.

But back to the features - on top of it all you get amazing battery, amazing camera, and amazing camera software and off-line navigation. Not to mention large, quality screen and good keyboard.

I must say I'm impressed. Well played, Nokia, well played. I can't wait to get my hands on this baby.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (3, Interesting)

Mike_Theory (2190120) | about 2 years ago | (#41235235)

The hardware itself does seem almost too good to be true... It seems like an aazing device, Though, I'd be much more inclined to purchase if there were an Android offering... Simply because of the lack of pre-existing apps/community support for windows 8, Especially on mobile devices. This will likely improve with time, but, at least for now, i think the software is killing an amazing device

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (-1, Troll)

Android Power User (2723465) | about 2 years ago | (#41235283)

Actually, Windows Phone app market is quite good. There's definitely apps and games in there. There haven't been anything that I haven't found from there.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0, Offtopic)

somersault (912633) | about 2 years ago | (#41235343)

What exactly have you been looking for? Are there Windows 8 versions of all of this? Oh wait, your account is brand new, you're obviously a shill. An actual "Android Power User" wouldn't care one jot about Windows Phone.. it's irrelevant really.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (4, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235371)

There doesn't need to be when it will run all apps from WP7.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0)

shitzu (931108) | about 2 years ago | (#41235699)

It will not. Also mentioned in the OP.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (4, Informative)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235783)

Yes, it will. You misread the summary. WP7 will not run WP8 apps. The other way around will work as Microsoft has repeatedly stated.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0, Redundant)

outZider (165286) | about 2 years ago | (#41235493)

Actually, as an Android power user who was completely uninterested in WP7, this phone and the OS actually have me itching to try it out and see if it's worth it. I've become bored and annoyed with an ecosystem that relies on hack upon hack just to keep your phone useful after a year. I love that part of it, but it'd sure be an interesting trick to start seeing reasonable OS updates.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (5, Insightful)

Tx (96709) | about 2 years ago | (#41235663)

If you're an Android power user, and you want to see reasonable OS updates, then you know to buy a Nexus device, that's the point of them. Google can't force the various carriers and handset makers push out updates, and it's not in their interests to do so since they want you to buy a new handset every year, so you should understand what's going to happen there. OTOH my Nexus S had ICS and Jelly Bean almost from day one, no hacks, and running perfectly, and that's a pretty old phone now.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

outZider (165286) | about 2 years ago | (#41235721)

Yes, but only the Nexus devices get reasonable update cadence, so much like the iPhone, if you don't like that one form factor, you're boned. I admit that some of my frustration is based on the fact that HTC and Samsung currently have devices with much better specs than the current top of the line Nexus device, and lips have been sealed on what's next from the Nexus line. I'm hoping these announcements make something appear, and hopefully, they aren't like the middling device that's been rumored as the upcoming refresh of the Galaxy Nexus.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41235903)

The New Sony Xperia S is now supported by AOSP.

Expect there to be nexus phones from most of the major players within the next 6 months.

Even a middling android device has nicer hardware than the current iPhone or these new windows phones these days.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (2)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#41235707)

Windows phone is really good to try out. I haven't tried windows phone 8, but WP7 was really quite interesting to see. I'm not sure it's good or bad but it's certainly different than the iPhone/Android setup.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (5, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 2 years ago | (#41235411)

You have to have a Windows machine.

Listen, I like the Nokia phones, and that's what I was going to buy. I brought my Ubuntu laptop into the store to check it out, see if it was compatible, but it isn't. You absolutely must have a Windows install, and a virtual machine won't cut it. (This was the quite-new 610, but looking around online shows that the 700 and 900 have the same issue.)

It uses the Zune file system, and nobody but MS has been able to figure out how to mount it. You can't transfer files with Bluetooth. You can't put music on it. You can't sync to anything. It's a completely stand-alone device unless you're running Windows.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0, Troll)

Android Power User (2723465) | about 2 years ago | (#41235505)

Please. WP7 devices mount easily to Windows, Linux and OS X. You're just trolling now. And I use Android, so no, I'm not a Windows Phone user. Your point just isn't truth.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235581)

And how much did Microsoft pay you for your first 2 comments ever, Mr. Power Shill?

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

Qzukk (229616) | about 2 years ago | (#41235673)

Did they ever fix WP7 to not require registry hacks [zeaun.com] to mount as a drive in Windows? As of 2009 the bleeding edge of mtpfs's support for ZuneFS was getting the directory listing to work. I think after that people quit caring about Zunes.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (4, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 2 years ago | (#41235891)

I'm sorry, I only have my own experience to draw from, from real life. I really wanted to get the Lumia, but I had had enough of missing features with my Walkman, and I didn't want to play that game again.

If I was hallucinating at the time, I apologize. My dream-state, which looked surprisingly like a Best Buy, was unable to mount a Nokia Lumia 610 Windows 7.5 phone to an Ubuntu installation. Now, I was only there for about an hour, dreaming, but the phone and my computer together made it impossible to mount.

Perhaps there are instructions for how to do that. If there are, they aren't online anywhere.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

puddingebola (2036796) | about 2 years ago | (#41235603)

I wonder why...

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235633)

apt-get install zunefs || echo 'you are a retard.'

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about 2 years ago | (#41235853)

It's interesting that Google can't find another instance of anyone ever writing out that command before.


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Use the Zune Music + Video software to sync your digital media to your Windows Phone. ... Use the Zune software to install updates to your Windows Phone. Download now ... Get to know your phone by using the Windows Phone website.

How to Use Zune with Ubuntu | eHow.comwww.ehow.com ComputersCached
You cannot install the Zune program out of the box, however, though your Ubuntu ... sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa ... sudo apt-get install wine1.3 ...

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (4, Informative)

Baldrake (776287) | about 2 years ago | (#41235645)

Unfortunately, this is simply false. There is a Windows Phone Mac Connector program that allows syncing to the Mac. As a Mac user, I can attest it works great. This of course leaves Linux users in the cold, but it is not a Windows-only solution.

More to the point, there is less and less requirement to sync to a PC at all. Photos auto-sync via Skydrive. Email is all cloud-based. Podcasts are directly synched without requiring a PC to download them. Music comes directly from your Xbox Music Pass. Apps are directly downloaded. Files can be shared via dropbox or Skydrive.

There are obviously still cases where you would like to sync directly with a computer, but they are becoming really infrequent.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (3, Informative)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41235653)

Windows Phone 8 has SD card support for transferring any data you please to any platform you please. I'm not sure yet if this means plugging it in via USB will mount the SD card, but that's what Joe Belifore seems to indicate in his interviews. We shall see. Also updates are OTA in WP8. You can also alternatively sync files via SkyDrive which is available cross platform.

Windows Phone 7 isn't Windows only also; a syncing program has been available for OSX for a while.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235677)

So what? 90% of the world runs Windows!

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235897)

You absolutely must have a Windows install

A Windows installation. Please, you wouldn't feed this crap to a compiler so don't write for a human audience like this.

I can't wait to get my hands on this baby. (5, Insightful)

MRe_nl (306212) | about 2 years ago | (#41235267)

And I thought you'd be getting a free one, what with working for Nokia ; ).

Re:I can't wait to get my hands on this baby. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235473)

I was wondering about that...

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235269)

Obviously you are too easily impressed!

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235337)

Considering it's a shill, yes. Their first post to Slashdot is alengthy and gushing post about Windows Phone with a time stamp identical to the story's post time.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235533)

Meh, they're all a bunch of fools.

It might have some good things, but it's probably a lot of hype. So, they might grab some market shares early on, but only to lose them again half a year later. Look at Apple which started with a near monopoly and now plays the patent troll to stay ahead.

They're dead (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235293)

Rovio already said they're not going to make Angry Birds for this platform.
Others are following suite.

Re:They're dead (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41235463)

Rovio already said they're not going to make Angry Birds for this platform.
Others are following suite.

wp7 has angry birds, I think it was alex or Ab in space that wasn't?
anyhow.. they're probably port it over to wp8 since you can finally use some real languages and there's cpu to use.

that still won't make answering a call and resuming your play after that a pleasant excercise.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (3, Insightful)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 2 years ago | (#41235303)

The best thing about this is how effective the platform can be for developers.

There won't be any developers. Developers want to code for platforms people are using--iPhone and Android. People want to use platforms developers are coding for--iPhone and Android. It's a self-feeding loop and Nokia is way, way too late to the party. Any phone that doesn't run iPhone or Android apps is dead, dead, dead.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (5, Interesting)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41235399)

Fact is, developing for Windows 8 is also developing for (for the most part) Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT, and probably in the future Xbox 720 (or whatever they call it). Whether you like Metro or not, Windows 8 will be shipping on all Desktops and Laptops in the Fall, and will be a viable platform with an immediate install base. As bad as Vista was, it still managed to find its way on more computers than Mac OSX. Developers *will* code for Windows 8, they *will* code for Windows RT, and if the marginal benefit is in their favor they *will* code for Windows Phone 8. Maybe that marginal benefit will not be there at first, but the scales will tip.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235465)

Writing for Windows 8 does not necessarily imply using Windows RT. You can write Win32 apps to run on the desktop.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (2)

Tapewolf (1639955) | about 2 years ago | (#41235575)

Whether you like Metro or not, Windows 8 will be shipping on all Desktops and Laptops in the Fall, and will be a viable platform with an immediate install base. As bad as Vista was, it still managed to find its way on more computers than Mac OSX. Developers *will* code for Windows 8, they *will* code for Windows RT, and if the marginal benefit is in their favor they *will* code for Windows Phone 8.

I rather suspect they'll continue coding for Windows 7 or even XP so to have the widest install base. Enterprise clients in particular hate having to upgrade, so jumping in and making something that only works on Metro is a non-starter.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (4, Insightful)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 2 years ago | (#41235741)

Fact is, developing for Windows 8 is also developing for (for the most part) Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT, and probably in the future Xbox 720 (or whatever they call it).

Fact is, developing for a smart phone is a completely different thing from developing for a desktop or game console; the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different. Windows 8 apps may be theoretically runnable on Windows Phone 8 (And I'm not convinced people will be writing them anyways--as has been pointed out elsewhere, people will be writing Windows XP apps for a while yet for maximum audience), but they won't be *usable* on Windows Phone 8. I'm not surprised that Microsoft doesn't understand this; the entire attempt to shoehorn Metro into Windows 8 shows that they don't understand that you can't run a cellphone interface on a desktop, and vice-versa.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235837)

Android may have a thousand times more apps than wp7, but 99% of those apps are absolute garbage. I don't want to use platforms that 99% of android developers are coding for.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235307)

As usual on a Microsoft related story, the astroturfer writes a long, praising comment at the exact same minute as the story is published. Haven't you guys learned yet? Why do you keep burning IDs making it so easy to detect the astroturfing accounts?

Come on, give us a harder challenge next time...

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0, Offtopic)

Captain Hook (923766) | about 2 years ago | (#41235359)

The best thing about this is how effective the platform can be for developers. ... you get the good audience (rich smartphone uses with not as much competition as iPhone or Android)

eh? Does Windows Phone some how exist in a completely different market and so not competing with every other smartphone competitors are releasing?

I know, I know, don't feed to shills

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (0)

dstyle5 (702493) | about 2 years ago | (#41235363)

That's why I think Nokia will win this battle.

Which battle, the bankruptcy battle?

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about 2 years ago | (#41235417)

Oh man, I think SCO won that one.

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235385)

Windows Phone 8

Windows shit: check

WaggStrm (2723451)

2.5 million+ user id: check

amazed [...] amazing [...] massively impressed [...] Windows 8 is a great choice

the kind of enthusiasm usually reserved for heroin: check

rich smartphone uses with not as much competition as iPhone or Android

selling points that don't even make sense: check

Visual Studio (one of the best IDE's in the world, in my honest opinion)

drinking massive quantities of the kool-aid: check

Could you at least tone down the astroturfing in the future? This is just insulting

Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (1)

peppepz (1311345) | about 2 years ago | (#41235595)

It's dual core, not quad.

I can't wait for wireless charging. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235199)

You just put it in the microwave and turn it on high for about 3-4 minutes.

"Welcome to being a Microsoft patner..." (4, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 2 years ago | (#41235245)

"...here's your complimentary knife in the back."

Nokia stock price plummets (5, Informative)

amazeofdeath (1102843) | about 2 years ago | (#41235249)

After the announcement, Nokia stock price has gone down 15 % from yesterday's closing value at OMX Helsinki. So, not the kind of announcement the market was expecting, it seems.

Re:Nokia stock price plummets (4, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41235333)

Apple's does the same thing after most announcements. Investors are a fickle bunch.

Re:Nokia stock price plummets (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about 2 years ago | (#41235461)

Apple stock always drops after an announcement because the rumour mill generates such hysteria that people are expecting something mindblowing. When it turns out to be only an 8 or 9 instead of a 10 they're disappointed. I don't think anyone really had those expectations about this announcement.

Re:Nokia stock price plummets (2, Insightful)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41235535)

No, but obviously expectations did not line up with what they delievered... so what exactly were they expecting is the question? The new Lumias are solid spec wise and offer some real advantages over competing phones (Windows Phone or otherwise), Windows Phone 8 addresses most concerns about the platform, app availability is increasing at an excellent rate, accessory support is expanding, Lumia devices are selling... so I'm not sure what Nokia could have done differently today that would really change what simply appears to be a fickle investor reaction.

40MP Camera (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235777)

Like the 808 PureView.

I suspect. The 8Mp one on the Lumia isn't going to have people queueing up to replace their phone, despite the PureView name. Plus... it isn't shipping till Q4.

I'll be buying the 808.

Re:Nokia stock price plummets (2)

ItsIllak (95786) | about 2 years ago | (#41235859)

I think some were still expecting a 20MP sensor and a tablet device.

I'd advise that the drop is entirely temporary and you can make yourself an easy 10% in less than a month by buying today.

It's time to switch (1)

DingerX (847589) | about 2 years ago | (#41235569)

I'll liked this line:

“This is Lumia, and it’s time to switch,” she said, in what felt like a possible official tagline for the device.

Isn't that what Nokia owners have been saying for the last year already? You know. "Hmm... I think I'll go see what Symbian device or Maemo/MeeGo iteration Nokia has on offer. Oh. This is Lumia, and it's time to switch."

Yes, Nokia has great hardware. They've done that well. Now they're pulling the plug entirely on WP7 upgrades. So any developers or customers who took a chance on WP7 are being told "sorry, please buy(-in) again". Maybe some customers will; but I doubt any companies will fall for the MicroLighting Stranger.

Re:It's time to switch (1)

Missing.Matter (1845576) | about 2 years ago | (#41235737)

Now they're pulling the plug entirely on WP7 upgrades. So any developers or customers who took a chance on WP7 are being told "sorry, please buy(-in) again"

They are not "pulling the plug" as there are still updates in line for WP7. Consumers are getting many features not related to hardware via the 7.8 update and various apps. For instance the apps Nokia showed off today are all available for the Lumia 900. Developers aren't being screwed either, as all WP7 apps are forward compatible with WP8.

Happy (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235263)

(Posting AC because I'm at work and I don't log in from work.)

Despite Nokia's many missteps (and goodness knows there have been many), I'm happy to see their new generation phone hit the market and I sincerely hope it succeeds. I say this as an unabashed Apple fanboy who will never buy a Nokia nor Windows phone. I say this because I want their to be more options that are successful. I want their to be different options that are successful. These options force companies, including Apple and Google (and their manufacturers) to improve their offerings.

And before anyone jumps in with an anti-Apple screed about how they'd prefer to litigate rather than innovate, stuff it. Samsung slavishly copied Apple and Nokia has clearly proven you can design a next-gen phone that looks nothing like the iPhone even though it's obviously influenced by the iPhone. If Nokia, a company who has been making enormous mistakes of late, can figure out how to design around Apple's design and utility patents, surely Samsung could have if they'd invested a smidge of effort into doing so.

Anyhow, I hope Nokia does very well with the phone and I look forward to checking it out.

Re:Happy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235591)

Sweet jebus! "There", not "their". Apparently I'm stoopid today...

Wave (-1, Offtopic)

puddingebola (2036796) | about 2 years ago | (#41235277)

What's that large wave in the distance, it looks like... iPhone 5.

Re:Wave (3, Funny)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#41235315)

What's that large $500 hole in my checking account in the distance, it looks like... iPhone 5.

FTFY

Re:Wave (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235389)

Or as most US consumers will do, they'll get it for $199 on contract.

Re:Wave (1)

travisco_nabisco (817002) | about 2 years ago | (#41235537)

Only if they are eligible for a new contract at the time. Most people will be somewhere in the middle of a contract and will likely have to pay something between the $199 and the $500 for an early hardware upgrade.

Re:Wave (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235627)

Sure, the raving fanbois will pay early, but most people just wait for their uograde period to come.

Re:Wave (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about 2 years ago | (#41235831)

With 2 year cell phone contracts, 1/24 or so would be eligible at random. However, the iPhone 4 was released in June 2010 so there are 3 months worth of early buyers that are freshly off contract.

Re:Wave (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235607)

Or as most US consumers will do, they'll get it for $199 on contract.

...plus a mandatory 2 year data plan bringing the total cost of ownership to around $2,000...

Re:Wave (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235693)

Great. So what?

Re:Wave (1)

Inda (580031) | about 2 years ago | (#41235821)

And the rest of the world will get an S3 gratis on contract.

$199? seriously?

Re:Wave (0)

amiga3D (567632) | about 2 years ago | (#41235487)

Heh, I've got the money stashed. Waiting for the iPhone5 now.

Does it run Linux? (2, Funny)

pesho (843750) | about 2 years ago | (#41235295)

Sounds like a nice piece of hardware, but does it run Linux (read Android or MeeGo)?

Re:Does it run Linux? (1, Informative)

bondsbw (888959) | about 2 years ago | (#41235387)

Yes.

(Stupid question deserves stupid answer.)

Re:Does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235449)

This must be the most boring meme around or, if you're serious, you must be stupid.
Either way, thanks for posting. Not.

Re:Does it run Linux? (3, Interesting)

amiga3D (567632) | about 2 years ago | (#41235523)

Meego would be nice. I wonder if any of the Nokia engineers have it working on the new hardware?

Re:Does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235551)

Yes. Complete Android and MeeGo installation packages are available at the moment of release, with fully supported hardware and a development kit. Happy hacking!

Re:Does it run Linux? (1)

rathaven (1253420) | about 2 years ago | (#41235651)

Only if you can get around secure-boot...

Re:Does it run Linux? (3, Interesting)

peppepz (1311345) | about 2 years ago | (#41235723)

Windows Phone 8 uses the real Windows 8 kernel, doesn't it? If so, I'll bet that the thing runs UEFI-on-ARM, with the associated "secure" boot in its non-deactivatable personality. In this case you could forget about installing anything not signed by Microsoft on the device.

Platform tweaks needed to the OS? (3, Interesting)

rjstanford (69735) | about 2 years ago | (#41235299)

From TFA:

Nokia’s PureMotion HD+ is the company’s name for its tweaks to the display, including blur-free scrolling.

Why isn't this not only standard, but the only acceptable state these days? When will people (Android, I'm looking at you here) figure out that getting the basics so completely solid that nobody thinks about them is the kind of work that people should expect from their OS/Environment provider? Watching a video talking about how many cores the latest whatever has with jittery scrolling is just embarrasing.

Re:Platform tweaks needed to the OS? (1)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#41235893)

When will people (Android, I'm looking at you here) figure out that getting the basics so completely solid that nobody thinks about them is the kind of work that people should expect from their OS/Environment provider?

People who work for handset manufacturers buy pools and Audis with the bonus money they get for developing highly-marketable thingies like "PURE-MOTION-AITCH-DEE-PLUS".

Correction: Dual-Core (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235341)

NOT quad-core

Re:Correction: Dual-Core (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41235559)

NOT quad-core

well, S4 is named to increase maximum confusion.

Re:Correction: Dual-Core (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41235665)

There is also an S3 but that doesn't mean tri-core. All the S1s and S2s were single core. The number has never had anything to do with CPU core count.

Re:Correction: Dual-Core (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235565)

NOT quad-core

^ Why is this voted down, isn't this a dual core phone?

Microsoft is really dumb (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235349)

microsoft is dumb and windows 8 is bad i dont like the metro UI

IT RUINS COMPUTERS FOREVER. IM SO FUCKING MAD THAT THEY CHANGED IT.

I only run linux i never use windows, linux is a lot better than windows. all the same I am really mad at them for changing the UI for windows 8.

anyways i'd love to ramble and show my complete lack of any marketable computer skills but i am too busy updating my ubuntu linux on my macintosh.

in conclusion, M$ is complete shit and you should buy an iPhone instead they are way better

Hardware (1)

puddingebola (2036796) | about 2 years ago | (#41235357)

The hardware does look impressive. Will everything come iwth NFC now?

Stop with the fud. (1, Informative)

seann (307009) | about 2 years ago | (#41235375)

in favor of Microsoftâ(TM)s platform. But those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps."

Stop saying that.

Say that windows phone 8 applications that are targeted for only windows phone 8, and use only windows phone 8 features will not run on windows phone 7.5.

This is not an issue.

Re:Stop with the fud. (2)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about 2 years ago | (#41235563)

What would you call an app that is targeted for windws phone 8 and uses windows phone 8 features? I would call it a windows phone 8 app. That app will not work on windows phone 7. It is an accurate and true statement. saying it your way is just needlessly confusing and stupid. I think what you would like people to say is that very few applications will be written for windows phone 8. Therefore, it is not an issue.

In other news (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235383)

LG and patent troll Motorola announced that all their Android phones from 2010,2011,2012 will be upgradable to Jelly Bean.

WP 7 will get upgrades (3, Informative)

alen (225700) | about 2 years ago | (#41235419)

from what i've read they will get most of the upgrades and will go to version 7.8

but even then it shouldn't be a big deal to code apps for 8 and 7. happens all the time in the app store where most apps now require iOS 4.x and will have some special iOS 5 features if you have the latest version

Anyone know where Steve Balmer is? (1)

gallondr00nk (868673) | about 2 years ago | (#41235437)

Quoth the man himself:

I'll bet you right now that the next app developer to hit it really big will be a developer on Windows."

I'd quite like to take him up on that bet.

Re:Anyone know where Steve Balmer is? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235491)

LOL you stupid microsoft shill always trying to get a dollar astroturfing for microsoft.

Everyone hates you you dumb M$ astrotuffer shill

Re:Anyone know where Steve Balmer is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235933)

LOL you stupid microsoft shill always trying to get a dollar astroturfing for microsoft.

Everyone hates you you dumb M$ astrotuffer shill

Hm, yeah, true, I suppose simply calling out Ballmer on one of his grandiose claims with a very clear air of cynicism and snarkiness towards Microsoft WOULD still seem like a "shill" to an underevolved mind like yours. Would the GP be required to include exact, detailed instructions to murder specific Microsoft executives before you'd think of it as not a shill?

"More nimble competitor"? (1)

pnot (96038) | about 2 years ago | (#41235507)

For once I agree with Elop on something. I can fully believe that Nokia are "nimble" these days. Same way a gnat is more nimble than an 800-pound gorilla.

Personally I'm more interested to see what Jolla [wikipedia.org] come up with.

-1 Pedantic (3, Informative)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 2 years ago | (#41235545)

"Windows 8" != "Windows Phone 8." There is a huge difference.

Re:-1 Pedantic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235705)

Windows Phone 8 shares a kernel, file system, graphics support, and other elements with Microsoft’s upcoming Windows 8.

Yes, I know I'll be banned for reading the article, but I also know that for every AC you ban, 2 more will take my place.

Very sad (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235553)

To think that Nokia's own Symbian had more than 50% smartphone market share only three years ago [wikipedia.org] and big plans [mynokiablog.com] for their Linux based highend OS, which was universally praised, and instead now going for an OS that not only locks the user down, but locks themselves in a position where they give away control of OS development, outsource all manufacturing (after shutting down most locations in Europe and firing loyal employees by the boatload) and need to contend with the likes of Samsung who do their own CPU, RAM, display etc. fabrication is just unfortunate. It's hard to not be cynical about this.

Microsoft obviously is pushing for positive publicity offering free samples to bloggers etc. but all the money in the world won't make the OS more attractive to the end-user, even with their new funky looking N9-like design. Functionality wise the it's lacking compared to Android and the restrictive Metro UI whether on your computer or on your phone is butt-ugly at worst and uninspiring at best.

On the other hand this might actually what MS alternatives have needed to become worth considering by more end users.

This thread is reserved for MS shills (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235623)

I was expecting to see a long first post shilling for Microsoft and Nokia, but it seems that the whole thread is overrun with them. "amazing, wonderful, inclined to purchase..." Please stay away from this thread, it is reserved for professional advertisers only.

Start button (2)

puddingebola (2036796) | about 2 years ago | (#41235687)

Where is the Start button?

First impression? It sucks! (-1, Troll)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 2 years ago | (#41235767)

It's Windows 8, of course it sucks. It's even worse than Windows 7.

In fact, Microsoft has taken hiding things to a whole new level. It was bad enough you can't see every program on your system in one shot. You have wait, and wait, and wait for the list to scroll or options to expand, unlike XP where you could see everything you had in one shot.

Now you can't even see what you have installed. You have to scroll, and scroll, and scroll to see what's there and even then it's not a complete list.

It's like the Soup Nazi* from Seinfeld: "No viewing for you!"

* Yeah, yeah. He doesn't like that name and will refuse you service. I'm just using what the show did.

Won't upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41235791)

Not upgrading from major OS versions is a huge deal. I wonder what technical reasons are preventing them from being able to update. I thought Android had it bad having to wait for CyanogenMOD in the worst cases....

How about some enthusiasm from a sub 100k ID then? (3, Interesting)

ItsIllak (95786) | about 2 years ago | (#41235807)

Not in the 10k region but still - I appreciate the first post was a bit heavy on the enthusiasm - my guess is an enthusiastic MVP rather than anything more sinister..

A dual core CPU and a huge battery are pretty great hardware specs. Also a mechanically stabilized sensor mechanism could be very big news, especially if their software really does make innovative use of the available pixels. The point has been made recently that for PC usage (sharing on FB etc, 2MP is more than enough, for print 5MP is enough - IF THE QUALITY IS THERE.

I assume the stock has plummeted because until a few days ago everyone was hoping for a 20MP sensor and a new tablet to go with the phones. On the other hand - the markets are idiots - buy today, you'll be 10-15% richer by the end of the month if you sell at a time when they don't arbitrarily decide to mood swing again...

I am a bit disappointed that we loose the smaller screen model - the 820 doesn't really replace the 800, it's more of a slightly smaller variation on the 920 - which is a pity. I personally prefer to hold a smaller screen closer to my face... However, for the feature set that WP8 brings (NFC, more home/lock screen flexibility, better camera tech), I might just have to go larger.

Final comment as everyone takes a snipe at this. I have a lumia 800 and I'm looking forward to windows 7.8. I don't care that they're not giving me Windows 8 - the differences between 7.8 and 8 are the differences between the base specification of the current hardware and the next gen hardware (screen resolution, NFC etc). Microsoft are just being honest that their latest phones have features that their older phones don't support. Apple astroturf that fact and that causes heaps of faulty software that fails to cope well enough.

Love Windows Phone, like iPhone (though these days can't justify the cost), frustrated by having to sideload, hack and generally tweak Android whenever I use it.

Speaking as a .NET developer, underwhelmed. (4, Informative)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 2 years ago | (#41235849)

I was hoping see some decent competition from MSFT to keep Apple on its toes but that is so weak. Why do they insist on that stupid flipping titles? People that I care about? If I want to see what "people that I care about" are doing, I can see notifications in the notifications bar pop up on my iPhone 4S or I can *gasp*, go into my facebook or twitter app instead of cluttering up my homescreen with their faces. Alternatively, I can alway "call" them. I hate the hub concept still and the flipping tiles are likely to give someone an epileptic seizure. It reminds me of some really badly designed website from the late 90's or early 00's.

Get it through your thick skulls MSFT, people like apps and they don't like distractions with flip-flopping tiles on the homescreen. I have to give you credit for trying to be original but give it a rest already. Also, nobody except fanboys like the "hub" concept. Stop trying to oversell your Xbox live and other services on the mobile platform.

BTW. Nice touch on slavishly copying Apple on the screenshot with the power and home button combo.

WP7 Nokia 900 owner here. (4, Interesting)

Lashat (1041424) | about 2 years ago | (#41235885)

I know that I swim against the /. current here when it comes to Window Phone. I haven't drank of the MS or Apple or Linux koolaid. I use all three desktop OS flavors at work every week and they all have strengths and weaknesses. I never bought the first iPhone because of the soldered in battery. At the time I was using 2 batteries a day in the field. (not to mention the privacy concerns of not being able to REALLY turn off my phone). I had a miserable experience with the first Droid (randomly calling and texting). I went Blackberry for a while. Revisited iPhone, but the screen typing was horrid (large fingers). When it was time to upgrade in 2010 I went with the Samsung Focus and it just worked for me. I do like the Metro interface on the touchscreen, but always by-pass it when using Win8 on the desktop. Seems pretty useless on the desktop, but it would surely be useful on a tablet and possible a laptop with touchscreen.

The Nokia 900 WP7, had some advantages over the Samsung Focus S on the spec sheet. Bigger screen, bigger body (again... large hands), and the camera cmos appeared faster to me in the store. The other advantage is the Xbox Live connection. Love it! Games developed my interest in computers and I am a gamer at heart. My only complaint is that with the Case-Mate case I confuse the phone with my wallet when it's in my pocket sometimes, but I am working on the brain power required to recognize the difference.

I am only mildly concerned about not being able to upgrade to Windows Phone 8 with my Nokia 900. If I feel like I'm missing out on some must-have super app before my 2-year upgrade comes around, I will bite the bullet and pay the phone price.

Of * course* it's not compatible (1)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about 2 years ago | (#41235939)

As a vendor/customer/developer, that's *your* problem, buddy. Start recoding. Too bad about that little cost thing you and your clients now have to deal with. Unless you're a C++ developer, of course, in which case, compatibility is magically not a problem.

Microsoft's motto: We don't provide and automatic compatibility or upgrade path unless our development staff happens to give a shit.

Cheers!

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