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Nokia Claims a Memory Card Slot Would Have "Defiled" New Phone

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the not-in-the-face dept.

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nk497 writes "Nokia unveiled its flagship Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 handset today, but it doesn't feature an SD card slot. There's a reason why: Nokia's designers didn't want to 'defile' the design. 'We started with the premise that we wanted an uncompromised physical form,' executive vice president Kevin Shields, said. 'To put an SD card slot in it would have defiled it.' He said most people don't use the storage in their phone, although the Nokia Lumia 820, which has only 8GB of storage, does include a micro-SD card slot behind its removable cover, which Shields claims doesn't compromise the design."

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Call the lawyers (5, Funny)

FriendlyStatistician (2652203) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241571)

Surely Apple has a patent on undefiled designs?

Re:Call the lawyers (5, Funny)

mirix (1649853) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241683)

They certainly have a patent on not including standard features.

Re:Call the lawyers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242083)

SD cards and such are becoming the exception, not the rule if you take the time to look at the landscape of smart phones.

Re:Call the lawyers (1, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242151)

They are pretty stupid. The first thing I did when I bought my phone was spend even more money on the biggest SD card it would take. I will, in all probability, never remove it from the phone - or at least, I never have removed them from my previous phones.

That means for me, the SD card just makes the phone bulkier, more expensive, and more prone to failure. I'm sure there are people who actually use the removable storage, but certainly it appears that I'm not alone.

Re:Call the lawyers (4, Insightful)

BenJeremy (181303) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242365)

They are pretty stupid. The first thing I did when I bought my phone was spend even more money on the biggest SD card it would take. I will, in all probability, never remove it from the phone - or at least, I never have removed them from my previous phones.

That means for me, the SD card just makes the phone bulkier, more expensive, and more prone to failure. I'm sure there are people who actually use the removable storage, but certainly it appears that I'm not alone.

How is it making it more expensive? When there is no external storage, your phone price jumps in disproportionate amounts to the memory it has onboard. I suppose if you like paying $100 extra to get an extra 16GB on your phone, then having an "undefiled" phone will make you happy.

I'm also a bit baffled how a slot makes the phone "bulkier" - SD slots don't really add much to the thickness, and if anything, we've learned that phones CAN get too small (form factors for most things don't tolerate being shrunk too much).

What I'd prefer to see is all smart phones come equipped with SDXC slots, perhaps one internal (battery slot) and one external.

Re:Call the lawyers (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242373)

When my friend's Android phone broke, she or he was able to transfer all the data to a new phone with a simple physical process. When I broke my iPhone, I was screwed.

Of course, iCloud makes that less painful now. It horrifies the parts of me that value privacy, so I keep them away from the smartphones.

Re:Call the lawyers (4, Interesting)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242377)

Yep, first day with my new phone, I bought a 32G uSD card. My dad bought the same phone, and on the way out the store he bought a 32G uSD card.

They're meant to stay in the phone. I think they just wanted to have no removable / serviceable ports.

Clueless, as Usual (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242191)

Clueless, as Usual

Google ... Do no Evil

M$ as Evil, Lame, Consumer unfriendly and 3rd rate as usual

MFG, omb

MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (-1)

LostCluster2.0 (2637341) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241581)

What do we have here? We have a phone that does not have an SD slot but has one of the smaller slots defined in the SD standard... you can add as much memory as you want and it costs the same as an SD chip because the plastic saved is of no value. The only way this chip is a problem is if you try to take it out too frequently it's not as easy, but that's not something you do often with your phone, you sync over USB. Nothing to see here, move along. Must be a SlowNewsNight..

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (5, Informative)

FriendlyStatistician (2652203) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241615)

You might try reading the summary before you post next time. The phone that includes a micro-SD slot is not the phone that does not include an SD slot.

TL;DR: RTFS.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (4, Informative)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241659)

The phone with a MicroSD slot is the Nokia 820. The phone without a SD slot, Micro- or otherwise, is the 920. It's been a while since any phones had full-size SD card slots.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (1)

LostCluster2.0 (2637341) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241927)

Yep, and that's my point. The 820 comes with a slot for you to bring your own flash memory chip. The 920 has a chip already installed that goes, guest where...exactly where the slot would have connected. Now, when you talk Apple, the iPod Touch always has a double memory compared to an iPhone when comparing top end to top end because the GSM chip takes about the same space as the memory chip.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242041)

Yep, and that's my point. The 820 comes with a slot for you to bring your own flash memory chip. The 920 has a chip already installed that goes, guest where...exactly where the slot would have connected. Now, when you talk Apple, the iPod Touch always has a double memory compared to an iPhone when comparing top end to top end because the GSM chip takes about the same space as the memory chip.

If they are going to have 2 separate designs anyway, why wouldn't they just use a 32GB built-in flash chip in the 920 instead of a more complicated 16GB built-in flash + 16GB inaccessible (but still socketed?) card?

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242407)

It's probably cheaper to manufacture this way. It's also possible that the 32GB chip is more expensive than the two 16GB chips. Finally, it might have been easier to hit some deadlines if designing it this way.

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN oops, it's the story! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241819)

What do we have here? We have a phone that does not have an SD slot but has one of the smaller slots defined in the SD standard... you can add as much memory as you want and it costs the same as an SD chip because the plastic saved is of no value. The only way this chip is a problem is if you try to take it out too frequently it's not as easy, but that's not something you do often with your phone, you sync over USB. Nothing to see here, move along. Must be a SlowNewsNight..

So slow you can't even be fucked to read the summary properly, let alone the article. Sure says a lot about you.

Good idea Nokia (5, Funny)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241585)

I mean, you are doing so well you should definitively make-against the-grain decisions for your customers. I mean, no one uses storage, right? Why would you want to put more memory in there. I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with saving a few bucks.

Re:Good idea Nokia (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242133)

That was actually kinda the point. They said most people don't use the slot.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, Captain.

Re:Good idea Nokia (5, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242355)

I mean, no one uses storage, right?

Since most, if not all people won't buy this phone, it logically follows that they won't be using storage in it either. Cutting down on the memory chips for the phone that nobody is going to buy saves manufacturing costs, so it's actually a clever business decision.

Re:Good idea Nokia (3, Insightful)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242387)

I mean, you are doing so well you should definitively make-against the-grain decisions for your customers. I mean, no one uses storage, right? Why would you want to put more memory in there. I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with saving a few bucks.

I think it has NOTHING to do with saving a few bucks, and everything about locking customers into a windows phone ecosystem.

Re:Good idea Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242477)

It won't defile my pocket.

New meaning for "defile" (4, Insightful)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241593)

8 GB storage is really small. I have 32 GB of just audio on a microSDHC card in my phone.

Defile, in this case, means "make useful for longer than the two years of the carrier subsidy". Nokia doesn't want to kill sales of their next phone with this one. Just like Apple.

Except that Apple will be here two years from now. We can't be that sure about Nokia.

I still have my n900. Gee, what could have been, if they hadn't been such cowards!

Re:New meaning for "defile" (-1, Redundant)

0100010001010011 (652467) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241635)

Did you see that it still has an internal slot?

Almost all new phones I've seen have this and I like it better. My old phone had a twitchy spring and liked to randomly eject the microSD card.

This is a non-story.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241693)

Did you see that it still has an internal slot?

Almost all new phones I've seen have this and I like it better. My old phone had a twitchy spring and liked to randomly eject the microSD card.

This is a non-story.

I didn't see that anywhere, the linked article says:

The Nokia Lumia 920 comes with 32GB of storage, but omits the memory card slot found on its cheaper sibling, the Lumia 820.
When pushed on why Nokia didn't include a memory card slot, the company's executive vice president, Kevin Shields, told PC Pro it would have harmed the clean design.

I haven't found any source that says it has an internal slot.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241827)

Did you RTFS ? They have one phone that won't have any SD-card slot because of the design, and another one that have an internal slot which is totally invisible. This outline the bright logic of their explanation.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241929)

This outline the bright logic of their explanation.

That sentence makes as much sense as the low end phone having a microSD slot, and the mid range phone not having one.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242075)

I see now that the 8g phone has an internal slot, but the supposedly nicer 32g one does not have any slot.

So, let's be real, they are marketing to less sophisticated users than us, ones that are not terribly likely to put a microSDHC card in any socket.

But unsophisticated users are going to buy Apple. Right now, Apple would feel much safer to an unsophisticated user than a new phone OS on a new phone genre from a troubled manufacturer.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1)

stevenfuzz (2510476) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241669)

That's weird, according to Nokia in the article, people don't use storage on their phone. It's pretty lame that you have music on your phone. You should really buy an mp3 player. Phones aren't meant to be music players or storage devices. In Nokia's infinite wisdom, they decided this for you.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1)

narcc (412956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242247)

I won't argue the storage point, but who uses their phone as an mp3 player? I have an mp3 player for that.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242339)

I have stopped using my mp3 player precisely because my phone can play them - one less gadget to mess with.

YMMV

Re:New meaning for "defile" (2)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241781)

The 820 has 8GB onboard and a MicroSD slot.

The 920 has 32GB onboard and no slot.

So it's not great, but on par with the midrange iPhone.

And a lot more changes on phones than storage. New generations of wireless make phones more spectrum-efficient. CPUs, graphics, and screens improve. If your service provider is willing to subsidize $400 every two years and you pay the same for service either way, why not upgrade and donate your old phone to someone who can't afford one?

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1, Troll)

jmorris42 (1458) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241899)

> So it's not great, but on par with the midrange iPhone.

If being as bad as an iPhone is the target, that is probably about as good as Nokia can probably manage these days. Any device without an SD slot of some sort is instantly off my list of interesting devices. I can sympathize with a design that doesn't lend itself to a visible slot but if you can't even manage to cram one under the battery hatch you just aren't trying... or don't want to. Some people love the lockin that comes from forcing everything to stream from them.... but then the carriers cap bandwidth. Of course you still can't turn on the boob tube without seeing an ad showing some hipster douche streaming all kinds of crap on the hot new product on the advertiser's network that is being touted as oh so fscking fast. Humbug I say.

And if you don't have a battery hatch (oh yea I'm really giving you the stink eye here Apple) then you just suck ass. Ain't no excuse for leaving a battery hatch out considering the very limited lifetime of lithium batteries. Not many normals going to get a heat gun out just to swap the battery. Green company my left nut. Building disposable products is lame.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (2)

norpy (1277318) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241977)

2 years to 80% capacity is not "very limited" when people replace their phones at that time anyway.
If you are using a phone longer than that then apple provide a service where they replace the battery for around $100.

I have been using mobile phones for around a decade and have not once had to replace a battery before the phone broke or became outdated, i have had to replace broken battery COVERS many times however.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1)

SCPaPaJoe (767952) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242109)

I've had various cell phones since 1993 and always go through at least one battery replacement cycle.
I just recently replaced my battery on my original Motorola Droid. It still works great. I got the new battery from Amazon for 14.00 and that included 2-day shipping.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (1)

jrumney (197329) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242273)

I have been using mobile phones for around a decade and have not once had to replace a battery before the phone broke or became outdated, i have had to replace broken battery COVERS many times however.

Perhaps if you were more careful not to drop your phone, it would last long enough for the battery to become an issue. I personally have replaced batteries on two phones (admittedly one was an NiMH battery, and the other a very early LiPo), and considering now replacing a third, but have never had a battery cover break.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (5, Interesting)

jrumney (197329) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242137)

Given that Windows Phone basically formats your SD as part of a RAID-0 array together with the internal storage, an SD Card on a Windows Phone is not really useful - you can't use it for data transfer, because it isn't formatted in a way any other device can use, and replacing it involves reformatting not just the SD card but the internal storage as well.

Re:New meaning for "defile" (2)

smash (1351) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242267)

Plenty of users will be fine with 32gb and no slot. I've had 16gb iPhones for the past 4 years, and very rarely run out of space. With the advent of cloud services, wifi sync, etc things won't be so bad. And - the space the slot would have taken up can be used for battery, etc.

50% of the content on my phone (7gb worth) is never really used. If you need >32gb of space, buy something else.

Oh, I got it! (5, Funny)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242093)

Defile is the new word for unmount! You file the SD card when you insert it, and you defile it when you eject it!

:-)

errr... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241601)

My HTC sensation has an SD card that doesn't detract from design - it's hidden behind the same cover the battery is - very common on samsung phones too. Please paraphrase executive vice president Kevin Shields' comments too "we couldn't be arsed" or "it was cheaper"

So let me get this straight... (-1)

PortHaven (242123) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241607)

The Nokia has a memory card slot, it's just inside the cover. So you'd have to remove the cover and change the card.

Essentially, it just doesn't have a hot swappable easily accessible drive bay. You have to open up the PC (phone) case and change out the memory card. That's no biggie. I can accept that. As long as I "can" add an additional memory card. :-)

Let's move along now...

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241707)

Except for the tiny little fact that the 920 does NOT have any sort of SD slot, hidden or otherwise. Only the 820.

Re:So let me get this straight... (2)

LordVader717 (888547) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241747)

The story says that only the 8GB version does. The flagship 32G phone is non-expandable.

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241767)

The Nokia has a memory card slot, it's just inside the cover. So you'd have to remove the cover and change the card.

Nope.

Nokia unveiled its flagship Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 handset today, but it doesn't feature an SD card slot ... although the Nokia Lumia 820, which has only 8GB of storage, does include a micro-SD card slot behind its removable cover,

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241855)

What the fuck is with people tonight? Was the summary so badly-written that a whole slew of you dummies couldn't figure out which model has SD slots and which doesn't?

Re:So let me get this straight... (5, Funny)

reboot246 (623534) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242205)

The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true! Right?

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

jrumney (197329) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242059)

No, the low end model (820) is defiled with a microSD slot, but its not really defiled because its under the battery cover. The high end phone (920) is free of such burdens, and the user is stuck with its 8GB built in memory because the Cloud is the future man, nevermind that you can't get a phone plan without limited data caps any more.

No defiling (4, Funny)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241621)

I can't wait until their next phone that will have no speaker or microphone since that would compromise the physical form and most people don't talk on a Smartphone anyway.

worthless phone os (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241627)

It is just a shame that they dropped their own phone operating system Maemo and went with that crappy Windows phone .

So what about the SIM card slot? (5, Insightful)

baka_toroi (1194359) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241655)

How come a SIM card is blended perfectly with the case but a Micro SD card -which is smaller- "defiles" the design?

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (5, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241695)

How come a SIM card is blended perfectly with the case but a Micro SD card -which is smaller- "defiles" the design?

Because the "design" is to sell 8, 16, and 32 GB variations for $499, $599, and $699, respectively.

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (2)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242277)

I think it's more complicated than that.

If they include an SD card slot, they have to balance the cost of machining the parts to make that work versus how many people will actually be angry that option doesn't exist. If they make more money by opting to not include a feature that's rarely used, then I say go for it. I don't think it's a conspiracy to get people to buy more expensive phones if they want the space. If that was the case, they wouldn't bother with an 8 gig phone. Or 16 for that matter.

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (1)

siddesu (698447) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242183)

Because the SIM card necessary to connect you to the master database, while the SD card is quite useful if you want to stay off the grid, obviously. The trend for the past two years or so has definitely been to turn the smartphone into a dumb terminal, with all the "apps" and storage gradually going to the "cloud".

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (1)

baka_toroi (1194359) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242327)

Then they should be clear about it. I know everything is "cloud centric" nowadays, but they didn't claim that. They claim it's an issue with its design.

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (1)

siddesu (698447) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242359)

It is a kind of inconvenient truth, so they prefer to be subtle about it.

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242259)

If this phone was an Android phone you'd have been modded down as troll. Since it's teh evilz micro$$$oft you got modded up. Don't think you're insightful, neckbeard. You're just riding the wave of MS hate. Everyone knows the reason why SIMs have to be allowed and SD cards aren't that important in comparison.

Re:So what about the SIM card slot? (1)

baka_toroi (1194359) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242319)

The platform clearly has nothing to do with this decision. It was a Nokia employee who said this. I have yet to see someone at Google/HTC/Motorola saying they didn't include a micro SD slot due to a design issue.

Everyone knows the reason why SIMs have to be allowed and SD cards aren't that important in comparison.

In other words, a concession for a SIM card slot is OK but another slot would "defile" the design. Gotcha.

Quite stupid... (3, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241681)

Not having a micro-SD slot on a phone is quite stupid these days. Heck, my last 3 "dumbphones" have had SD card slots (though I think one was mini-SD) and all of my smartphones have had one. On my current phone (Samsung Captivate Glide) I've got a 32 GB one in so I can take my reasonably sized music library (~25 GB) with me without having to lug around yet another device. 8 GB is pathetic for a smartphone, sure, you might be able to get all of your applications on there, but not much else. To put this in perspective, 8 GB is the same amount of memory the lowest-end version of the iPod touch which came out back in 2007.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241735)

Not having a micro-SD slot on a phone is quite stupid these days. Heck, my last 3 "dumbphones" have had SD card slots (though I think one was mini-SD) and all of my smartphones have had one. On my current phone (Samsung Captivate Glide) I've got a 32 GB one in so I can take my reasonably sized music library (~25 GB) with me without having to lug around yet another device. 8 GB is pathetic for a smartphone, sure, you might be able to get all of your applications on there, but not much else. To put this in perspective, 8 GB is the same amount of memory the lowest-end version of the iPod touch which came out back in 2007.

My 32GB Samsung Galaxy Nexus doesn't have a microSD card slot and though I thought I'd find it limiting, I've only filled it half full with music and a few movies. Though admittedly I don't listen to locally stored music much - usually only when flying.. normally I listen to streamed music.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241817)

8 GB is pathetic for a smartphone

The Lumia 820 with 8 GB does have a micro SD slot. The Lumia 920 with 32 GB does not have a micro SD slot.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241843)

Except that the Lumia 920 [nokia.com] has 32 GB of storage on board. The summary is very confusing. It compares it to the 820 which has an SD card slot and only has 8GB of storage, but fails to mention how much storage the Lumia 920 has. I would hope that the 810 would have room for an SD card, being that it only has 8 GB of storage. But when the 920 has 32 GB available in the phone already, there is less of a need to add more storage. Also to note is that the battery is not removable thereby eliminating the obvious place for the SD card slot which is usually underneath the battery cover.

Re:Quite stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241853)

where is the sd slot on my iphone 4s?

Or maybe a sd slot isn't so important to many people?

Re:Quite stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241981)

My 4s has 64GB of internal disk.

My Atrix 2 ends up at 48GB.

Yes, it is just numbers, but 32GB is behind the times, especially after Apple has set the standard now at 64, which no Android phone can do.

Nokia would have made a winner if they actually were competitive with their flagship offering in internal disk space, or they had 32GB internal and a SD card slot. By doing neither, their device is obsolete from day 1, and will be pointless come the next iPhone introduction in less than two weeks.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242149)

My 4s has 64GB of internal disk.

My Atrix 2 ends up at 48GB.

Yes, it is just numbers, but 32GB is behind the times, especially after Apple has set the standard now at 64, which no Android phone can do.

The 32GB Galaxy S3 [verizonwireless.com] is available today and the MicroSD slot supports cards up to 64GB, giving it up to 96GB of storage space. The 64GB model is supposed to be out next month, providing up to 128GB of storage.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242301)

To be fair it's not as if there are as many good apps to store on the internal memory anyway.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241945)

It's a phone.... why do you need 32GB of storage, LOCAL to the phone? Do you have that many friends? Is your addressbook THAT large ?

Re:Quite stupid... (4, Insightful)

John Bokma (834313) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242067)

Some people listen to music on their phone, or watch photos on it....

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242163)

It's a phone.... why do you need 32GB of storage, LOCAL to the phone? Do you have that many friends? Is your addressbook THAT large ?

Some people listen to music on their phone, or watch photos on it....

And it's nice to load up some movies to watch on the plane.

I think the grandparent poster thinks that smartphones are used only as phones.

Re:Quite stupid... (1)

smash (1351) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242287)

Do you know how long the playlist of 16gb of music goes for? Plenty between syncs.

I really, really hate design snobs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241739)

Unity, GNOME3, now this.

Not all of us sit in hip offices thinking up new ways to "think out of the box" or "push the envelope."

Most of us have to use this stuff.

Fire the design snobs and hire more product testers and focus groups.

Gee, My infringing Samsung phone has one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241791)

My galaxy S II has 16 GB internal storage and a microSD slot. It is useful to be able to put things on the card rather than on the phone in case you need to clear the phone to factory state. That way you can restore the programs, songs and other things rather than just lose them. While I do back up to PC every month or so it makes sense to keep things close for on the road if you need them.

Re:Gee, My infringing Samsung phone has one... (1)

jrumney (197329) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242317)

I think your SGS2 actually has 20GB of internal storage: 4GB shows up as "internal", 16GB shows up as "USB storage". At least that's how mine appears. The USB storage portion should also survive a factory reset.

More than Design (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241795)

Read the article. They mention adding more ports makes shielding against interference harder.

The Lumia 920, on the other hand, has only two ports: a micro-USB charging port and the headphone socket. Yet, even that meagre number of slots caused headaches for Nokia's engineers, according to Shields.

"The micro-USB port is an RF [radio frequency] nightmare," he said, adding that it can interfere with the various other radios in the device without proper shielding. "Wireless charging is effectively a radio, so is NFC. Then you've got LTE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth - and you've got a lot of antennas."

This phone has wireless charging. What other phones have that built-in?

Re:More than Design (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241857)

Read the article. They mention adding more ports makes shielding against interference harder.

The Lumia 920, on the other hand, has only two ports: a micro-USB charging port and the headphone socket. Yet, even that meagre number of slots caused headaches for Nokia's engineers, according to Shields.

"The micro-USB port is an RF [radio frequency] nightmare," he said, adding that it can interfere with the various other radios in the device without proper shielding. "Wireless charging is effectively a radio, so is NFC. Then you've got LTE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth - and you've got a lot of antennas."

This phone has wireless charging. What other phones have that built-in?

But the MicroSD card and port can be 100% encapsulated in metal under the battery cover, making shielding much easier than with the MicroUSB port that has to be exposed externally.

The wireless charging is a nice touch (but only if it's a standard so when I go to a friend's house, I know I can drop my phone on his Motorola branded charger and it will still charge my Nokia phone). However, if I could choose between wireless charging and a microSD slot, I'd choose the microSD. Having a couple exposed charging contacts to let me use a drop-in charger would be offer nearly the same convenience as the wireless charging.

Design (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241925)

Design isn't just about "pretty", it's about function too. Great design would be to fit an SD slot in there and make it look good as well.

Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241937)

So no one will be buying this then lol

Re:Ha! (5, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242297)

Yup, that lack of SD slot sure killed the iPhone. And the iPod.

Defiled? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241943)

The little slut is running Windows.

Can we get a more accurate title? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241961)

It's not 'does not have a microSD slot', it's 'does not have a plug and play microSD slot'. There is a rather large and significant difference from Apple's 'we just want to bilk you for extra storage by not having a microSD slot'.

Does it have a SIM card slot? (2)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#41241969)

I wonder if a SIM card slot would also defile the phone?

Microsoft? Nokia? Do you really think people will buy this excuse? Do you really think people will buy this excuse of a phone?

Strange that I want more... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41241979)

That they always want to give me less.

I want dual sim.... nope - most users would't use it.
I want dual microsd.... nope none is enough

I'd like to see the ex-nokia engineers with the talent and vision to produce phones directly from chinese manufacturers bypassing these nokia engineers still shackled by the current management team.

Only time will tell, but nokia won't be getting my money

My happy little Droid Razr Maxx... (2)

macbeth66 (204889) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242039)

has a microSD slot on the side under a cover next to the SIM card. Ingenious design.

IMHO, the only thing that could defile a phone these days would be the name Nokia on it. Or Blackberry.

Re:My happy little Droid Razr Maxx... (4, Insightful)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242169)

has a microSD slot on the side under a cover next to the SIM card. Ingenious design.

IMHO, the only thing that could defile a phone these days would be the name Nokia on it. Or Blackberry.

Or Windows 8.

Nice. (2)

sootman (158191) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242167)

I have a 16 GB phone that lacks expandable storage and I bump up against the limit often enough. I have no films and only a couple GB worth of songs. Not even that many apps. What fills it are 8 MP photos and 1080p recorded video. If a phone has good "data creation" hardware (i.e., a good camera) it really needs a lot of, or expandable, storage.

Note: "the cloud" is not the answer.

Re:Nice. (2)

sd4f (1891894) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242367)

I think 32gb is sufficient to not worry too much, my phone has 16gb built in and i have 16gb microsd in there, i'm beyond 16gb used, but still got plenty of space. The only problem with android is juggling between built in storage and sd card storage, if it was consolidated, it would be that much better and easier to manage, but i also suppose, have its own downfalls with difficulty in just unmounting it.

Somebody thinks consumers are stupid (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242181)

While that may be true in some cases, as long as this BS is going on in the market, I will definitely stay with my non-smart phone. Nothing missing so far.

so desposibibily bily has nothing to do with it... (1)

jago25_98 (566531) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242255)

Yeah right. It's just coincidence that the internal memory shrink creates another throw away device and also makes it just that little bit harder to upgrade the o/s..

Locking you just that little bit more in the upgrade cycle.

Just coincidence...

The conclusion I draw from this is that people are too dumb to budget for resale value in looking at their phone contracts.

buyer's choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242281)

I don't see the issue. Nokia believes that buyers don't care about easily expanded memory. They may be right.

My non-tech family members pick up a phone and feel it first. If it 'feels' right, that's it. If it lets them check email, send/receive SMS and make phone calls, that's all they are about. Memory or storage are the last thing they think about. Battery life isn't really a concern for them either.

For people like you and I, memory, storage, Ghz, replaceable batteries, cores, and the OS matter. I wish I would have gotten an N900 when I could. My N800 is showing signs of age, but it is still my favorite device - before a Samsung Android phone or a 10" tablet. The n900 was just too pricey for me. Oh well.

Don't most nokia phones end up in Africa and SE Asia anyway?

To most people, these things simply do not matter.

Buyers don't care! (5, Insightful)

dell623 (2021586) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242307)

Sorry, this is yet another example of why the tastes of slashdot readers are basically irrelevant for any manufacturer today. Users don't care about MicroSD slots, the lack of one does not hurt sales and most people who have MicroSD slots in their phones have no idea what to do with them. Yes you can get cheap 64GB SDXC cards for $60 or so, and it's criminally stupid to not have MicroSD slots (or just offer large storage at a reasonable cost). But users don't care. Google realized that, so did Nokia.

Take-aways (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242341)

I see two take-aways here. One: This guy is full of s**t. Two: He thinks we are all total morons.

Wrong Order (4, Funny)

Bob9113 (14996) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242375)

'We started with the premise that we wanted an uncompromised physical form,' executive vice president Kevin Shields, said. 'To put an SD card slot in it would have defiled it.'

Hmm, Kevin: If you're trying to channel Apple, you have the order wrong. First you build a strong following among artistic folks by consistently bringing pretty technology to market. Then you talk like an effete douchebag. If you get the order backwards it sounds pretentious.

Why buy Nokia anyway? (2)

gary_7vn (1193821) | about a year and a half ago | (#41242383)

I started with Nokia, a 5190 in 98. It was a great phone in it's day. Then I bought a Nokia 500. Big mistake. When I wake it up random apps start, well, randomly. It crashes, it hangs, it's slow, very slow, the OS is virtually incomprehensible. It's the worst phone I have ever owned. I hate its guts, I hate it so much, that I will never buy another Nokia phone, with an SD slot, without an SD slot - I don't care. What garbage. I do have a micro SD slot inside though. It's the only part of the phone that works properly.

Ahh function over form... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41242399)

Another good reason to not get this phone. I already see the numerous posts saying people don't care if it has a slot or not. Well, they SAY they don't care but then when they run out of storage? Oh, then they are pissed to find out there is no way whatsoever to add more storage to the phone, other than buying a better phone. I like a beautiful form in a car, a good form on a phone would also be good -- but in both cases, I DON'T like one that is "beautiful" but useless (like a car that has inadequate cooling and overheats, in order to make the hood look good... or, say, a phone with no SD/miniSD/microSD slot whatsoever for form factor reasons.)

          Just like people "don't care about DRM" supposedly, until it bites them in the ass... I literally had someone ask "why didn't anyone warn me about this?" after some DRM-infeced stuff they bought quit working (because the rights restriction server was taken down). I pointed out, I had told them about it like 5 or 6 times, then they were like "Ohhhhhh... yeah you DID tell me about that!" Oh well.

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