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Apple Says "No" To Releasing New Dock Connector Specs

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the mine-all-mine dept.

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sl4shd0rk writes "According to sources, Apple hasn't offered any specs to developers for the new '9-pin Connector' to be used on the next version of the iPhone. Apple has also said it may use 'licensing agreements and threats of lawsuits' to prevent third-party adapters from hitting the market through at least 2012. There have been suggestions that this tactic is to allow Apple time to leverage competition and reap in revenues of $100 million for every 10 million Dock Connector Adapters it sells for $10. It remains unclear whether Apple will allow third-party developers to release competing alternatives after 2012."

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Apple is the new Microsoft (0, Offtopic)

Mr. Wok (2723821) | about 2 years ago | (#41244431)

Innovative and good technology company. I wish they just got Xcode on the same level as Visual Studio, as the latter is just fantastic.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (5, Insightful)

preaction (1526109) | about 2 years ago | (#41244463)

You mean instead "leveraging their position to unfairly stifle competition," correct?

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (5, Insightful)

Mr. Wok (2723821) | about 2 years ago | (#41244485)

They haven't said or done anything, this is all just speculation. Slow news day on Slashdot.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244999)

So when do you think apple will give it to 3rd parties? It's coming out next week, so they are seriously running out of time to get production up and running. Or do you just blindly defend apple any chance you get, truth staring you in the face or not?

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (3, Insightful)

skovnymfe (1671822) | about 2 years ago | (#41245095)

I'm pretty sure it's only called that when Microsoft does it.

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (4, Interesting)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 2 years ago | (#41244543)

Innovative and good technology company

A. Innovative company might not have good technology

B. Companies that have good technology might no longer be innovative

Apple, Inc. used to be in "Category A" when Mr. Jobs were alive

Now, it's in "Category B" and soon, it might end up be neither

Re:Apple is the new Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244755)

Innovative and good technology company. I wish they just got Xcode on the same level as Visual Studio, as the latter is just orgasmic.

There... fixed it for ya!

Putting words in Apples mouth (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244457)

Apple hasn't said a damn thing. Just speculation.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (5, Insightful)

gutnor (872759) | about 2 years ago | (#41244735)

The new connector itself is pure rumor. So they don't publish the specs on a rumored connector of a product they haven't even announced or given any clear indication it will exist at all ? Some days it really feel like all Apple Haters and Fanboys are like teenagers gossiping about their favorite star.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (3, Informative)

debilo (612116) | about 2 years ago | (#41244791)

The new connector itself is pure rumor.

Assuming this video [gizmodo.com] is authentic, a side by side comparison does hint at a new, much smaller connector.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (2, Insightful)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41244855)

Given the fact that nobody has a fucking clue of what's in the video, whether it's authentic or not, who shot it, I'd say it hints at somebody wanting you to believe something, not much more.

It doesn't say anything about a future Apple product or connector though.

My bet, if it is worth anything, is that if they change the connector, they will include in every iPhone box a converter allowing old accessories to work with the new iPhone. They'll drop the free converter next year on the iPhone 6 or whatever they decide to call it, giving effectively a year to accessories makers to adapt to the new connector.

If they don't do they they deprive every single buyer of the shitload of accessories actually on the market and in the homes of so many potential buyers. And this is a definitive advantages of iPhones over competing products.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (1)

debilo (612116) | about 2 years ago | (#41244937)

Given the fact that nobody has a fucking clue of what's in the video

What do you mean? The video clearly shows two devices side by side, the current iPhone and, allegedly, the new one.

It doesn't say anything about a future Apple product or connector though.

Have you actually watched the clip? It shows the new device from all angles, including the bottom of the device, revealing a much smaller, thinner connector. This is in line with rumors previously leaked. I don't know if it's the real deal, but device info gets leaked pre-release all the time, so I don't feel the need to get all tinfoily.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41245011)

How does anyone know it's the new iPhone? I mean, they have a history of false leaks that predates the iPhone releases... Last year we kept seeing an iPhone shaped like a MacBookAir (thinner on the front) yet it wasn't at all what the iPhone 4S looks like now.

What you see is an iPhone 42 and something the author would like you to believe is the next iPhone. Whether it is or not it at best debatable.

Stop being so gullible. The video being on YouTube doesn't make it right or true.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41245077)

Care to put your money where you mouth is? I'm willing to bet $1000 that's what the next iphone will look like (little dock and all).

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (5, Funny)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41245091)

Care to put your money where you mouth is? I'm willing to bet $1000 that's what the next iphone will look like (little dock and all).

My best judgement prevents me from betting $1000 with AC, sorry.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (1)

debilo (612116) | about 2 years ago | (#41245089)

Okey dokey.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 years ago | (#41245105)

Just out of curiosity, do you know what your nick means in French?

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (2)

debilo (612116) | about 2 years ago | (#41245117)

People tell me it means "Einstein", but maybe I'm just gullible.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (1)

_Shorty-dammit (555739) | about 2 years ago | (#41244899)

Oh, please. That's such an obvious fake. Did you really not notice how the real phone's black background is not anywhere near as dark as the fake phone's black background once it is placed on the table and the overlaid video starts up? Not to mention the overlaid video's boundaries actually being past the fake phone's screen boundaries.

Re:Putting words in Apples mouth (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41245029)

The new iphone is also a rumour but 3rd parties are already making all kinds of accessories for it.

universal connector (4, Insightful)

mister.woody (2712229) | about 2 years ago | (#41244475)

It's a shame that they do not have a universal connector. Something that would work on any damn phone, like a simple usb. But oh well... it's apple!

Re:universal connector (0, Troll)

cheater512 (783349) | about 2 years ago | (#41244531)

There is a standard and it is very much like usb. Its called micro usb which you might have heard of.
Virtually every smart phone these days sold has a micro usb port.

iPhones and iPads are not phones or tablets. They are purely fashion statements.
No one would buy them otherwise.

Re:universal connector (4, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41244697)

There is a standard and it is very much like usb. Its called micro usb which you might have heard of.
Virtually every smart phone these days sold has a micro usb port.

iPhones and iPads are not phones or tablets. They are purely fashion statements.
No one would buy them otherwise.

all other manufacturers agreed to standardize on microusb some 5 years ago(and it's finally starting to be used on pretty much all, non-apple, devices now).

Re:universal connector (4, Interesting)

GrahamCox (741991) | about 2 years ago | (#41244709)

They are purely fashion statements.

Well, maybe one data point doesn't disprove your argument, but the way you've framed it, it goes a long way to.

I am the least fashionable person imaginable. I'm a little bit of a lefty and despise brand worship and the creeping corporatism of our age. I abhor labels and typically buy no-name brand jeans from Target.

Oddly enough, I do have an iPhone. I find it well designed, very functional and useful as a phone and portable web browser, music player, gps, camera, and very occasional puzzle and games machine. That's why I have one, it's NOTHING to do with fashion.

Re:universal connector (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 years ago | (#41244849)

They are purely fashion statements.

Well, maybe one data point doesn't disprove your argument, but the way you've framed it, it goes a long way to.

I am the least fashionable person imaginable. I'm a little bit of a lefty and despise brand worship and the creeping corporatism of our age. I abhor labels and typically buy no-name brand jeans from Target.

Oddly enough, I do have an iPhone. I find it well designed, very functional and useful as a phone and portable web browser, music player, gps, camera, and very occasional puzzle and games machine. That's why I have one, it's NOTHING to do with fashion.

Ditto on all points... except I also like the iPhone 4 series because these devices are smaller than the Galaxy S3. Apparently that feature will be lost with the iPhone 5 which is unfortunate.

Re:universal connector (2)

toruonu (1696670) | about 2 years ago | (#41244943)

Ditto on all points... except I also like the iPhone 4 series because these devices are smaller than the Galaxy S3. Apparently that feature will be lost with the iPhone 5 which is unfortunate.

Mentioned the exact things somewhere else in this thread however from the mockups it seems the 5 will not be wider, but taller. This way the one handed usage and comfort remains the same while getting a tick bigger screen. But I do hope as well that it won't be a monster 4.x" screen just because people want bigger (just recently heard that someone's planning a 5" screen, HTC?, why the hell would you want a phone that's almost as big as a tablet?)

Re:universal connector (4, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41244917)

Typical hipster.

Re:universal connector (5, Informative)

data2 (1382587) | about 2 years ago | (#41244725)

http://www.maclife.com/article/news/microusb_set_european_commission_standard_smartphones [maclife.com]
Brought to you by those commie, over-regulating Europeans.

Re:universal connector (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244807)

Over-regulating? Thanks to them we finally have an universal connector!

Re:universal connector (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244815)

EU regulations forces them to have a microusb port thats why.
apple is the only one not to comply. surprise surprise.

Re:universal connector (1)

Dreadrik (1651967) | about 2 years ago | (#41244853)

Yes, but you can't do analog audio over micro USB. It is not the same thing. Making a sound-dock for USB is much more complex and expensive.

Re:universal connector (2)

Xenx (2211586) | about 2 years ago | (#41244915)

I know from personal use that Samsung has analog from the micro USB. Cardock with charging passthrough and 3.5mm audio for about $50. So, it can obviously be done and for a reasonable price.

Re:universal connector (2)

camperdave (969942) | about 2 years ago | (#41245065)

Yes, but you can't do analog audio over micro USB.

Analog audio? That's what the headphone jack is for.

Re:universal connector (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244881)

It seems to me that every person that makes this argument forgets that the dock connector does so much more than USB does. It has pins for USB, Firewire, analogue audio and video, component video, whatever it needs to connect a HDMI port on the AV adapter, VGA out via an adapter and probably some other things I've missed!

Re:universal connector (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244961)

And yet many manufacturers can still achieve all this with micro USB.

Re:universal connector (1)

oldlurker (2502506) | about 2 years ago | (#41245115)

It seems to me that every person that makes this argument forgets that the dock connector does so much more than USB does. It has pins for USB, Firewire, analogue audio and video, component video, whatever it needs to connect a HDMI port on the AV adapter, VGA out via an adapter and probably some other things I've missed!

According to reports Apple is planning to strip out Firewire and video to get to the new smaller connector and lower pin count. Granted, this is not confirmed by Apple yet, but something has to go when the pins goes. And, as mentioned by others here - Apple's competitors are able to do this with MicroUSB ports, including analogue sound (on Samsungs at least, don't know about others).

Re:universal connector (1)

profplump (309017) | about 2 years ago | (#41245109)

Let me know when your USB port has serial, audio, and video connectors.

You can argue that it's better to have a whole slew of other connectors -- and in many (but not all) cases I'd agree -- but you can't argue that USB is replacement for the dock port (new or old).

Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244477)

It may be that they are walking straight into EU regulations with that kind of policy. Vertical monopolies in the supply chain is one of those few things the EU gets extremely aggro about, to the benefit of the market and consumers.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (5, Funny)

Mr. Wok (2723821) | about 2 years ago | (#41244499)

Aggro?! Do you mean EU is somekind of monster of which somebody is always tanking and getting the aggro while the others shoot?

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244783)

And the one healer who can't get away from the baddies

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 2 years ago | (#41244819)

Aggro short for Aggravation you can look it up in the dictionary

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244837)

gp is obviously british, as aggro used in that sense is british slang.

surprisingly, the rest of the world mocks british slang.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | about 2 years ago | (#41244947)

That pretty much describes it.

Never would have described MS as tank before, but you're basically right..

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 2 years ago | (#41244507)

What monopoly? Just buy an Android phone, or for that matter a Windows phone. I have and not only is it better than iPhone but it is a much more effective way to make a company behave than any EU regulations.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41244593)

Monopoly on iPhone data cables, I suppose.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244803)

What monopoly? Just buy an Android phone, or for that matter a Windows phone. I have and not only is it better than iPhone but it is a much more effective way to make a company behave than any EU regulations.

Oh, the invisible hand of the free market, that really worked with Microsoft on the desktop OS monopoly issue didn't it? The invisible hand of the market has really made MS suffer on that score.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 2 years ago | (#41244957)

Why would it make Microsoft suffer, they provided the best desktop OS available. You are begging the question.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (3, Interesting)

Kergan (780543) | about 2 years ago | (#41244603)

It may be that they are walking straight into EU regulations with that kind of policy..

Not may. Will. Germany in particular (where most patent litigation is taken in the EU) has a long history of allowing cheap clones of periphericals and consumables. Be it nails, screws, coffee recharges, cables, or otherwise. Ianal, but I'd wager Apple doesn't stand a chance in court if they seek to sue cloned cables out of the market -- especially at that price point.

The most surprising part to me, though, is (assuming the rumors are valid on the new port) that they didn't go for a micro-USB port. The EU directive aimed at getting rid of electronic waste due to redundant and incompatible chargers will shortly make (already makes?) it or an adapter mandatory, so why bother coming up with yet another type of dock connector?

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (2)

toruonu (1696670) | about 2 years ago | (#41244637)

It's fun to see all these discussions and allegations for a phone that's not even launched yet and therefore you have no clue what connector it actually uses. True, it's likely it'll be a proprietary one again, but still, shouldn't we wait until Sept 12th at least before starting the accusations...

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (2)

Kergan (780543) | about 2 years ago | (#41244663)

Yeah. And even more fun are case makers who are mass-producing cases based on rumors and mockups, and the shameless iPhone5-like Android clone that got unveiled recently. I'll be laughing out loud if Apple unveils a tear-drop design on the 12th, or if the clone joint sues apple over "their" design [gizmodo.com] .

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

famebait (450028) | about 2 years ago | (#41244797)

Apple haven't exactly been earning their benefit of the doubt lately...

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (4, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | about 2 years ago | (#41244661)

One big reason Apple doesn't use USB is that the dock connector does more than just USB.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244727)

By "does more than just USB" do you mean it also gives macfags something to brag about?

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244889)

By "does more than just USB" do you mean it also gives macfags something to brag about?

Ooooooooooo...... That really burned..... Tell me, did you vote for Rick Santorum in the Republican primaries? Your homophobia is shining through.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (3, Insightful)

famebait (450028) | about 2 years ago | (#41244781)

"One big reason Apple doesn't use USB is that the dock connector does more than just USB."

Does it, now? With airplay and whatnot, the need to transmit analog audio and video is rapidly disappearing, which is probably why the new plug has nine pins in stead of the previous billion. It's been months since I used my cable for anything besides charging, and I really can't see what I'd want from it that USB + wifi + bluetooth can't already offer.

Let's face it: it's a money-making ploy and nothing more.
It is of course entirely within their rights to use proprietary designs that way, but harassing people trying to adapt to it is not (or shouldn't be), and it is entirely within my rights to dispise and chastise them for it in any case.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244799)

But nothing that you can't do with USB. Android phones have the ability to do audio and video through micro USB after all.

The only difference is they provide an analog pins for each audio channel, for svideo etc. Micro USB means you just send it as data and convert it in the adapter.

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#41244955)

I don't have the idea that this phone is so small that there is no space left to add a micro USB as well, if they so insist on adding their own connector (for which there may be valid reasons, of course).

Re:Will they attempt this in the EU as well? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41245075)

if they seek to sue cloned cables out of the USA market

Won't matter...... (2)

Immostlyharmless (1311531) | about 2 years ago | (#41244481)

4 days after release the Chinese will be selling the things on ebay for 4 bucks a pop anyhow, as long as you can wait 2 weeks for it to ship from Honk Kong.

a price to pay (5, Insightful)

azalin (67640) | about 2 years ago | (#41244489)

Apple has never been a fan of cheap. Their products carry the undercurrent message "I can afford this", much like sports cars, suvs, rolexes and the like. They don't want everybody to provide cheap accessories to their products, because it diminishes the brand value.

Re:a price to pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244595)

And everytime they tried to build something cheap, the results were awful (i.e PowerMac 4400, all the Performas, etc.)

Re:a price to pay (1)

NettiWelho (1147351) | about 2 years ago | (#41244605)

With any luck they will outprice themselves [wikipedia.org] off from the markets soon enough.

Re:a price to pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244625)

Their products carry the undercurrent message "I can afford this", much like sports cars, suvs, rolexes and the like.

So why did they have a cow over the "I Am Rich" app, since it says much the same thing: "I am a moron with an iPhone or iFad and have more money than brains, and have no idea how best to squander it all"!

Using non-standard connectors like this, and trying to prevent other people from making them is just one of about a hundred plus reasons now, why I hate Apple so much.

As always... FUCK APPLE!

Re:a price to pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244929)

As always... FUCK APPLE!

I don't want to belittle your sexual orientation but, good luck with that!

Re:a price to pay (1)

mjwx (966435) | about 2 years ago | (#41244647)

Apple has never been a fan of cheap. Their products carry the undercurrent message "I can afford this", much like sports cars, suvs, rolexes and the like. They don't want everybody to provide cheap accessories to their products, because it diminishes the brand value.

Youre joking right?

SUVs are as cheap as expensive hatchbacks (considering the cheap ones are hatchback engines in overweight bodies)

Same with sports cars. You can get one for the price of a hot hatch.

Apple devices don't convey an air of money because people get them on cheap contracts. A lot of lower income earners have iphones. They are less like exclusive brands like Ferrari and more like common but overpriced brands suck as Louis Vutton which are the same made in china crap as other bags but have a higher price tag due to the logo.

Re:a price to pay (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 years ago | (#41244983)

Youre joking right?

SUVs are as cheap as expensive hatchbacks (considering the cheap ones are hatchback engines in overweight bodies)

Same with sports cars. You can get one for the price of a hot hatch.

Apple devices don't convey an air of money because people get them on cheap contracts. A lot of lower income earners have iphones. They are less like exclusive brands like Ferrari and more like common but overpriced brands suck as Louis Vutton which are the same made in china crap as other bags but have a higher price tag due to the logo.

When was the last time you took a look at the price difference between, say a basic VW golf and the GTI version? Hot hatchbacks cost so much more they are in fact a status symbol, as in: "I can afford to pay twice as much as you for the same car to get a some exta horsepowers". In my neck of the woods a GTI costs almost twice as much as a regular Golf.

Re:a price to pay (1)

toruonu (1696670) | about 2 years ago | (#41244693)

*sigh* people don't buy sports cars because they want to show they can afford it though sure there are some people who do it because of that too, but that doesn't mean we all buy it because of that. I have a sports car and I bought it because I want to enjoy my commute no matter when and where I go. I can't stand the slow progression from point A to B without any excitement in getting there. Even if the excitement is only minimal due to jams or what not. And also I love my sports/rally car during the winter when there is never a dull ride with all the snow etc. Yes, it's a bitch to maintain due to fuel cost and use as well as maintenance and yes I did manage to buy it therefore I could afford it, but none of those are reasons WHY I bought it.

The same goes for iPhone. Maybe to some people it's a fashion statement, but mostly it's because it's well designed and works. And I don't mean just works as a standalone unit, majority of the added value comes from seamless integration between iDevices, your laptop and your Apple TV (the more devices you have the bigger the advantages you get, clever Apple). The fact that I use iPad majority of the time I'm at home instead of the laptop is because of the comfortable use and the available content and the fact that I can close the book on the iPad and pick it up on the iPhone without having to remember where I was in the book or having to worry if my content is backed up IS worth quite a lot.

My only hope is that they don't make the iPhone 5 (or what ever it'll be called) as big as the Galaxy S III. A colleague of mine has the SIII and boy it's way too big for one hand usage. If I want a bigger screen I just pop out the iPad and use that. I'd not mind a minor increase in size as well as pulling the display to the full width and height of the phone, but it still has to be comfortable in hand. I used to wear a cover on the iPhone 4 until waiting for some crap to compile I was fiddling with the cover and after about 6 months with the cover tried the phone in my hand without it. Damn that phone felt comfortable in my hand. It may seem like an innocent additional few mm, but it WAS much better without so I've never put the cover back on again.

Re:a price to pay (1)

fnj (64210) | about 2 years ago | (#41245063)

I think you and I buying cars because we like the way they look and feel to (and work for) US, not because of the way they look and speak to OTHERS, are actually in the minority.

The iPhone (and other Apple stuff) appeal is also a very strong snob/fad/peer-pressure thing. Not to us, but to most.

Re:a price to pay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244875)

Their products carry the undercurrent message "I can afford this"

...and so can the burger flippers at McDonald's...real exclusive!

Nice operating profit! (1)

Kergan (780543) | about 2 years ago | (#41244495)

Manufacture for $.10; sell for $10; sue anyone who copies. Mm...

Re:Nice operating profit! (1)

itsdapead (734413) | about 2 years ago | (#41244771)

Manufacture for $.10; sell for $10; sue anyone who copies. Mm...

Pro tip: if you think that operating profit = retail price - manufacturing cost then don't try starting a business anytime soon. Packaging, promotion, logistics, processing payments all cost money...

I'm sure that, at $10 a pop, Apple are making several bucks, but it ain't $9.90.

One non-evil motive for Apple's (alleged) action is to give the new connector a chance to get established before the flood of 3rd party adapters. There are bound to be issues with the new dock and older equipment anyway, having a plethora of potentially buggy 3rd party adapters available on launch day could cause mass confusion.

Long term, Apple would be nuts not to license the connector - all those third-party accessories are a major USP of iOS devices. They're taking a risk changing the connector as it is - if I were them I'd act out of character and throw one adapter in with the phone. Of course, since this is all rumour that might be exactly what they do.

Re:Nice operating profit! (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | about 2 years ago | (#41244901)

Packaging, promotion, logistics, processing payments all cost money...

Your forgot the sales staff if it is sold in an Apple store, and otherwise the staff which sells it to other retailers. In most countries, staff is the biggest part which eats your revenue. ... And no, I'm not talking about assembling here, but about the people which hand you your change.

Now be nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244501)

Poor old Apple is in a very difficult financial position right now. The big kids keep picking on him and stealing his designs and everything. I bet he really needs that $100 million.

RTFA! The article says nothing of the sort. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244525)

Apple has also said it may use 'licensing agreements and threats of lawsuits' to prevent third-party adapters from hitting the market through at least 2012.

No, Apple hasn't said anything about licensing. In fact, Apple couldn't possibly have said anything in public about the connector, because it hasn't even been officially announced yet! The submitter is a troll.

Re:RTFA! The article says nothing of the sort. (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41244567)

Before Apple officially announces something, it "leaks" information about the device. This could be part of the leak. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean it is not true (infact you should check with your corporate masters, you might even be supposed to assume this as true and sing songs about how great this is)

Re:RTFA! The article says nothing of the sort. (0)

DerPflanz (525793) | about 2 years ago | (#41244599)

Smart marketing, threatening with law suits a week before the longest anticipated product launch since the iPod.

My reply: fuck you Apple. Your arrogance is getting bigger and bigger. It may be your downfall. Read the myth about Icarus before you hire a new army of lawyers.

What's really funny (-1, Flamebait)

Compaqt (1758360) | about 2 years ago | (#41244535)

is all the protesters at the Occupy Wall St sit-ins carrying iPhones and iPods.

The irony of the situation (1% getting richer) just did not occur to them.

Here's the biggest, richest company in the world (and possibly in history if you don't count inflation) with .10 $trillion in the bank. And it's still greedy on piddling stuff like connectors, which it changes just for the sake of it (selling more).

Apple deserves to be right up there in the same category as Goldman Sachs.

Reverse engineer (2)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#41244539)

How can they prevent someone from reverse engineering the pinout based on published specs, examining whatever 9 pin adapter comes with the new phone, and trial and error? I don't it would be legal to take apart an Apple adapter and copy it, but if they can figure out how to make an adapter by other means using a cleanroom methodology without ever looking at the official adapter, and come up with their own connector design that fits the phone connector, can Apple stop them?

Re:Reverse engineer (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244643)

They can slap you with a 1bn lawsuit saying you copied their patent covering "copper cables with white plastic wrapping carrying data from a device built in 2012 or later with rounded corners and a company logo". Any claims that other cables carrying data is prior art will be rejected by the jury since those cables didn't in fact carry data from a 2012 or later device with a company logo on it, and they definitely were not white.

Apple is the evil empire to a higher degree than Standard Oil, IBM or Microsoft ever were.

Re:Reverse engineer (1)

Leinad177 (2708661) | about 2 years ago | (#41244677)

Yes. Apple managed to sue Samsung for a billion dollars over rounded edges. I think that it's more than likely that Apple will try and succeed in suing whoever makes an adapter, regardless of how.

Re:Reverse engineer (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41244711)

they made it a non-industry standard connector for exactly preventing anyone making a connector that fits and that wouldn't infringe. funny, eh? (the ipod style connector is pretty much a standard connector type.. that's how samsung can use it. it never took hold on mp3 players though apart from apple who didn't use the standard pinout of course).

Re:Reverse engineer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244761)

How can they prevent someone from reverse engineering

They can't. This only harms companies that partner with Apple in good faith, whose existing agreements with Apple will not allow them to disobey the almighty master.

Re:Reverse engineer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244801)

They very well could end up with a much better connector than the one designed by Apple.

Apple like Adobe / Microsoft / Oracle / ... (1)

bothandeach (2706475) | about 2 years ago | (#41244611)

My comment Subject says it all. Apple used to have a cachet. Not just because of Steve Jobs, but for a certain ethic and care about the interface. Well, it was all Xerox Parc and F'n Bill Gates. They are now, behold, CORPORATE, and monopoly driven, and doomed for the gates of hell.

Re:Apple like Adobe / Microsoft / Oracle / ... (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | about 2 years ago | (#41244921)

As far as I know, Apple was always walled of and only started to apply shady tactics lately. Microsoft always applied shady tactics and has become walled of lately. Can't say anything about Oracle, but Apple and Microsoft seem to try to imitate each other.

Glad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244623)

I don't have an iphone.

Its their own damn fault (4, Insightful)

MassacrE (763) | about 2 years ago | (#41244645)

Accessory manufacturers (particularly case manufacturers) burnt all their bridges with Apple long ago. Since around when the iphone 3gs came out, nobody has gotten any advance notice of new hardware because of all the leaks.

Even now, many of the apple rumors come from case manufacturers who are attempting to bribe employees at the manufacturer for information.

Right now Apple has only even hinted that there may be an iphone 5, and if they are going to deprecate a decade of accessories with a new connector they want to do it on their own terms. There is no way Applw have confirmed or denied the dock connector except perhaps in controlled leaks to the media. Nobody making alarm clock docks is gonna know a damn thing until the rest of us do on the 12th.

Re:Its their own damn fault (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 2 years ago | (#41244967)

Accessory manufacturers (particularly case manufacturers) burnt all their bridges with Apple long ago.

Interesting. How so?

Also I'm not aware of Apple (or any other manufacturer using proprietary connectors) to release them to third-party manufacturers well in advance of releasing their product. It's kinda against the whole idea of using a proprietary connector, instead of some standard (such as micro USB).

Its all part of US corporate culture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244675)

Remember - they have a duty to maximise shareholder profit at all costs. So:

1. Design an incompatible, proprietary interface. and sell it with an eye-watering markup
2. Go after anyone who has the temerity to work out how to replicate the functionality of said interface and sell it to the public, and sue them into the ground.
3. ***
4. PROFIT!!!

Sleazy bastards, eh?

(And as we have seen in past weeks, stage 1 also works well with "Design and patent an oblong with rounded corners"...)

Did the submitter read the article linked? (1)

joeflies (529536) | about 2 years ago | (#41244699)

the article says - " Some developers fear that Apple will corner the market for both the adapters and cables, much as it did with MagSafe connectors for MacBook laptops, using licensing agreements and threats of lawsuits to prevent less expensive third-party solutions from coming to market.".

The summary goes on to state that apple said that

Re:Did the submitter read the article linked? (1)

NoMaster (142776) | about 2 years ago | (#41244851)

Well, yeah, what did you expect? It's an Apple article on /., so the title is almost guaranteed to be a lie.

Or are you pining for the imaginary mythical non-trolling /. of days past? If so, I've got 8 words for you:

"No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."

Proprietary... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244719)

Apple has always been this way. In terms of vendor lock-in neither Microsoft nor even Sony could hold a candle to Apple, be it PPC architecture without USB ports, Firewire instead of USB, Displayport instead of DVI/HDMI etc. In every case they could have chosen the widely accepted and used standard, but they didn't in order to limit the choice for their gullible customers and charge extra for it. Newest example of this is the new iPhone connector that in terms of size and functionality resembles an MHL enabled Micro-USB plug.

In fact Apple circumvented the EU directive that tried to standardize cell phone connectors to use Micro-USB by creating a simple adapter. They stake out land that was common ground before and threaten to shoot anyone who tries to enter.

The only thing that changed over time is that now people are even more gullible than before and Apple now is the top dog.

Re:Proprietary... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41244939)

In every case Apple had a good reason. I’m not sure what you meant by "PPC architecture without USB ports.” The iMac G3 was PPC based, released in 1998 and had USB ports to the exclusion of legacy ports. I’ll leave the whole PPC vs. x86 debate in the 1990s where it belongs, as it’s pretty irrelevant here. Firewire though, was by far a better standard than USB supporting faster consistent data rates vs. USB’s higher peak rates but overall inconsistent speed. I know tons of film professionals who used to swear by Firewire. DisplayPort was capable of carrying an audio signal which DVI to my knowledge can't. Plus it was eventually was merged in to Thunderbolt which is now an industry standard. I am sure that at least two of the pins on the 9-pin connecter will be dedicated audio pins. Apple may not always choose the most common port but their choices are far from frivolous. Furthermore when they do implement standard ports they do so intelligently and in a useful manner. It frustrates me to no end that I have to crawl behind my desktop and look at the red/yellow colour coding to figure out where I should stick my USB3 devices for the highest speed. On my MacBook Pro, all the USB ports support USB3 and I could care less where I plug my gear in.

Apple's business model (1)

BuypolarBear (2713397) | about 2 years ago | (#41244769)

1. Design new proprietary connector
2. Threaten to sue others making said proprietary connector
3. Manufacture connectors for cheap
4. Sell connectors at high markup
5. ??????????
6. PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:Apple's business model (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | about 2 years ago | (#41244927)

Actually, you can omit point 5.

Re:Apple's business model (1)

plankrwf (929870) | about 2 years ago | (#41245033)

I am sorry. According to long standing slashdot tradition, there HAS to be a "?????" step.
I do agree though, the ??? steps seems to be unnecessary, and normally it stops at '5 Profit!!!!!!!!!!' so perhaps GP needs to amends its version (perhaps letting 3 or 4 out of his (?her?) post.

--
Yes, I am kidding ;-0

Compares badly to Nokia's adoption of Qi (1)

ItsIllak (95786) | about 2 years ago | (#41244831)

Just sayin'

Buy a (relatively cheap) Lumia and you can use the industry standard for wireless charging and also NFC + open data transfer standards (bluetooth to the speaker systems for instance). Buy a (relatively expensive) iPhone and you'll be stuck with even more expensive accessories, with god knows what means of communicating with them.

On a non existent product??? (3, Insightful)

Grayhand (2610049) | about 2 years ago | (#41244833)

Excuse me while I say WTF???? People are fighting mad over an iPhone 5 that no one has admitted exists so far??? I might as well say the iPhone 6 will support Firewire 1600. Prove me wrong! Time people get a life!

Anyone up for a proper ipod dock connector? (1)

hoover (3292) | about 2 years ago | (#41244907)

I've been trying to find some good schematics for an ipod dock to analog audio in connector for those compact hifi boxes, has anyone been successful in buying or building one him- or herself? All I'd need is to feed analog audio into the system, no fancy play controls and the like. Thanks!

Customers say no to next Apple devices (1)

overmoderated (2703703) | about 2 years ago | (#41245027)

Apple melts down. End of story.
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