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No Opt-Out For Ads On New Kindle Fires

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the aside-from-not-buying-one,-anyway dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Lost amid the announcements for Amazon's new tablets and e-readers was the news that their latest Kindle Fire tablets would include advertisements. So-called 'Special Offers' would place ads on the devices' lock screens in a similar fashion to the lowest price Kindle e-readers. However, on the e-readers, you had the option to 'buy out' the ads by simply paying the difference in price between the cheaper device and the regular version. But Amazon has no confirmed there is no way to opt out of the ads on the new Kindle Fire tablets." Update: 09/09 03:02 GMT by S : Reader Aoreias sends words that Amazon has now changed its mind. A spokesman announced that users will have the ability to opt-out for a fee of $15.

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383 comments

Expect more of the same (5, Insightful)

NixieBunny (859050) | about 2 years ago | (#41275363)

Ads will take over the world. We'll have to jailbreak our devices with illicit ad-blocking software.

Re:Expect more of the same (4, Insightful)

goombah99 (560566) | about 2 years ago | (#41275437)

I wonder if they will accept ads for ipads.

Re:Expect more of the same (2)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41275745)

I wonder why ads bother people so much. Especially on the kindle where the ads are unobtrusive (you only see them on the power-off screensaver). My kindle came with ads disabled, and I got bored with the default images of authors, so I turned the ads on to get $50 refunded to my account.

Re:Expect more of the same (2)

publiclurker (952615) | about 2 years ago | (#41275775)

I don't have any problems with adds on an advertising payed for device, but in this case, you are being forced to take the adds on something that you payed for in entirety. I think I'll just stick with my nooks.

Re:Expect more of the same (2, Insightful)

msauve (701917) | about 2 years ago | (#41275843)

"you are being forced to take the adds on something that you payed for in entirety."

Do you work for Amazon, so you have some special insight into their pricing decisions? Because, common sense would say that if they didn't have ads, it would cost more, as with the Kindles which offer that option.

Re:Expect more of the same (2)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 2 years ago | (#41275905)

I wonder why ads bother people so much. Especially on the kindle where the ads are unobtrusive (you only see them on the power-off screensaver). My kindle came with ads disabled, and I got bored with the default images of authors, so I turned the ads on to get $50 refunded to my account.

It's on the lock screen, which means that like the eInk model, your battery life will be crippled because these ads will be displayed and cycled when in theory your device should be idle (in the case of the eInk versions) or have the screen off (in the case of the LCD versions).

I think we can all understand where Amazon is coming from here -- although given that we pay good money for the device kinda harms their case somewhat. However, I would really have preferred they find a different way to do this.

For example, a faux "loading" screen the first time you unlock the device after ~15 minutes which displays an ad. Book themed ads in the UI. That sort of thing.

Will? (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275481)

You must be both blind and deaf. Ads took over long ago both for visual and audio media. ( and theirs, even some of your clothing is most likely a walking ad.. )

Its disgusting too.

Re:Will? (4, Interesting)

NixieBunny (859050) | about 2 years ago | (#41275627)

I don't watch TV, and I use AdBlock Plus on my computer. So in a sense I am blind.

You're not so blind. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275733)

I don't watch TV, and I use AdBlock Plus on my computer. So in a sense I am blind.

Ah, not as blind as you think. Ever read a review of a product or buying guide? Isn't amazing how inaccurate many are? Or ever wonder why they chose those particular products, reviewed them in that particular order, reviewed only certain feature (maybe NOT the ones you're intrested in) and came to the conclusions they did?

Open a magazine or newspaper? Ads galore. Sure you may not pay attention, you think, but it's getting to your brain.

But then there's the drive - billboards, signs, shop store windows, other cars with ads all over them, trucks, and radio - if you listen to that.

I bought a book recently and the back pages were just ads for other books - O'Reilly is KING of this!

But wait! There's more!

Go to a website to buy something - even with AdBlock on - and what happens when you're shopping? "Other items you might be interested in" or "Other who bought this also bought ...." pops up.

And then there's watching movies. Product placement all over the place. At least Mike Meyers in his movies pokes fun at it - all the while still making the placement.

But if you read more now, you'll also see that there are word of mouth "ads". Even right here on Slashdot. Pick a subject, any subject like Linux distros for one and everyone will have their favorites in effect advertising it. Sure, it's not costing you money, but the thing is it's getting the name out their. I would never have heard or even considered Ubuntu if it weren't for Slashdot.

Re:You're not so blind. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275823)

Nope, don't do those things , I can review my own... everything, by my own criteria, don't allow cookies, use ghostery, manually allow javascript and have a large number of greasemonkey scripts turning off all the shit and in mmany cases returning functionality the was removed at in others adding functionality thats intentionally missing.

"I would never have heard or even considered Ubuntu if it weren't for Slashdot." Now thats just crewl, I'm sure they didn't mean to push that steaming pile.

Re:Will? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275827)

Do you ever leave your mothers basement? Do you buy your own food? Do you buy clothes? Do you walk down the street all? Do you drive? I could go on and on... Unless you are independently wealthy and never leave your house, *everywhere* you turn, there is an ad in your face.

I agree many times its subtle like the logo on a car or a small 'on sale' sticker on the grocery shelf, but its still there and always chewing away at your subconscious

Have? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275633)

Really? Hmm. I consider my life to be nearly ad-free.

OK, I take that back - it's probably not quite true, but it's certainly close to true. If by "see" you count "drove past a billboard" and the like, then yes I've probably seen ads. But I paid them no attention and couldn't even tell you what they were for, because I didn't look at them, I was watching the road. At best, I was aware "a billboard exists". I've seen those annoying dancing-people by streets holding signs for businesses, but again I've never bothered to even look at what the signs are for, so there's not even subconscious level of influence there. I've simply never looked or read them, so for all I know they were holding up a blank slate. The internet is entirely free from overt advertisements - I can't remember seeing one in many, many years. I don't own any "walking ad" clothing, and my friends and co-workers don't seem to wear that sort of thing either.

There are plenty of books, music, games, and so on that have no advertisements. Living an ad-filled life is a choice. I make the opposite choice because ads annoy me and I resent the attempts at manipulation.

Re:Have? (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#41275655)

It's almost a tragedy of the commons—companies are so hell-bent on forcing advertising on consumers that an increasingly large portion of the population will go to extreme lengths to make sure that no advertising of any sort has any effect on them. If only we could take the colossal intelligence that went into developing Google's advertising infrastructure and actually grant some of it to marketers...

Re:Will? (4, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41275683)

ven some of your clothing is most likely a walking ad..

You're referring to the logos on brand-name clothing? That's not an ad, that's part of the product. People want to display these logos, so people will know how cool they are.

In China, where logos used without authorization are the norm, you'll often see clothes displaying multiple logos from competing companies.

Re:Will? (1)

NixieBunny (859050) | about 2 years ago | (#41275785)

I cringe when I see those shirts that advertise themselves. I only advertise robot teams, bands I love and pirate radio stations on the shirts that I wear.

Re:Will? (3, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275789)

Not all people do. I wore 'name brand' for a while, and i removed the logo as i refuse to be a walking billboard.

My dad used to demand the dealer take his logo off the car when he would buy a new car. Same reason. ( and when we had a body shop and could repair the damage, sometimes even the manufactures logo came off.

Expect more of the same..cushy soft. (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | about 2 years ago | (#41275625)

And ad-block sites like...Slashdot.

Anyway ads on toilet paper just might be worth it.

That will make the choice simpler (3, Insightful)

Gonoff (88518) | about 2 years ago | (#41275377)

I think this will help Google Nexus sales. I am not aware they come with built in adware.

Except that... (2, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#41275451)

Google doesn't want you to opt out of ads on the Nexus, because a lot of their income comes from ads.

Re:Except that... (3, Informative)

DeeEff (2370332) | about 2 years ago | (#41275657)

Google doesn't want you to opt out of ads on the Nexus, because a lot of their income comes from ads.

That would make more sense if Google actually had unblockable ads anywhere in their devices. I have both a Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7, and neither has ads anywhere outside of individual apps.

And honestly, you don't sound as if you really know what you're talking about, since it's trivial to root Nexus devices and subsequently install ad-blockers across all applications. The same can't be said for all of Amazon's devices.

Re:That will make the choice simpler (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275457)

Over the course of the last few days, Amazon has raised the price of the Nexus 7 in their store by up to $50 (it's only marked up $40 today) and stopped offering Prime shipping on it. Last week, I could pick one up for $199.99 and get free 2-day shipping on it. They now clearly want me to buy a Kindle Fire HD. Assholes.

I guess I'm going to my local Walmart and picking up a Nexus 7 now. Walmart, of all places!

Interesting, similar with iPad (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41275521)

While they are still offering Prime on iPads, the price as you say with the Nexus is somewhat above retail. I don't recall it being like that before.

Re:That will make the choice simpler (2)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41275629)

Looks like Amazon itself isn't carrying it anymore. If you click on the products pages, you see that they're being sold by Marketplace sellers, such as "STL Pro" and "greentree9". The latter, at least, is fulfilled by Amazon, and thus has Prime available. It's still $56 over MSRP, though.

Nook touch FTW (2)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#41275485)

All I want a tablet to do is read books on, which means e-ink. The winner in terms of form factor is the Nook touch, hands down. Its pretty hard to improve on perfection, although it could do with a little more contrast.

Re:Nook touch FTW (4, Insightful)

Isaac-1 (233099) | about 2 years ago | (#41275511)

Look at the new Kindle Paperwhite introduced with the new Fire, but not getting any press

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41275567)

I totally agree, the Kindle Paperwhite looks hands-down to be the best e-Ink reading solution at the moment. As long as you are OK using Kindle to buy books, it looks like a great device and not too expensive either (even without ads).

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275575)

It tells you what they are selling more of, and which has the bigger profit margin. I am sure they make more $ off movie rentals/purchases than an overpriced e-book.

I also prefer ink for *reading* but i am not confident we will have ink readers available from amazon or B&N in another 5 years and will have to stick with cheaper generic brands.

But hopefully the one i have now will last a while. Since there is no light or LCD to go out, it might.

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41275641)

And even if the light in your eInk reader does go out, you can still use it just fine. It's not necessary to use it.

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275841)

What light? There isn't one in a true e-ink device.

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275557)

After they screwed with my firmware and removed features after purchase, screw them and their NT.

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41275659)

Agreed. B&N has more attractive and better-made hardware, but the reading experience is lesser than Amazon's. The Paperwhite may dethrone B&N, though, as it has a significantly higher resolution (212 ppi vs 167 ppi).

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41275737)

If you only want to read ebooks, then yeah, a simple e-ink reader (especially one with such a dense dot matrix) is the way to go. Alas, there are issues [twitter.com] with the name!

But we're talking about lock screen ads, and this thing doesn't even have a lock screen.

Re:Nook touch FTW (1)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41275813)

>>>The winner in terms of form factor is the Nook touch, hands down.

Too bad it doesn't come with my favorite magazine Fantasy & Science Fiction. That's only available in print format ($36) or on amazon kindle ($12).

Re:That will make the choice simpler (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275571)

out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Re:That will make the choice simpler (5, Insightful)

teg (97890) | about 2 years ago | (#41275675)

I think this will help Google Nexus sales. I am not aware they come with built in adware.

From a 30000 ft view, Android is just an ad delivery mechanism. If you zoom in, it's a mobile OS, but it's sole job is to enable delivery of Google's ad service to users from it's customers. And as always, you are Google's product, not their customer.

Now, I use google mail, google docs, google talk and chrome... but I know they're doing this to sell me.

Re:That will make the choice simpler (1, Interesting)

caballew (2725281) | about 2 years ago | (#41275821)

I was actually thinking about getting one of the new Kindle Fires but this changes my mind.

its no confirmed. (5, Funny)

matt007 (80854) | about 2 years ago | (#41275379)

"Amazon has no confirmed there is no way to opt out of the ads on the new Kindle Fire tablets."

They no confirmed so its no sure there is no way out.

Re:its no confirmed. (1)

Isaac-1 (233099) | about 2 years ago | (#41275547)

I can't help wonder if the reason is that no one buys the regular model anymore. My wife has a special offers Kindle Keyboard (e-paper reader) with special offers and it seems to be done tastefully, and unobtrusively, even less distracting than the banner ad at the top of the page here. I can see why most people would chose the cheaper price if the downside is unobtrusive ad on the screen saver, etc.

Re:its no confirmed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275679)

the banner ad at the top of the page here

What in the world are you babbling about?

Re:its no confirmed. (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41275681)

When I first got the Kindle Touch, I intended on eventually opting out of the ads. As you say, though, they're surprisingly unobtrusive, and I even wound up taking advantage of some of the offers. I can understand other people not sharing my opinion, though.

Re:its no confirmed. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275701)

Well, I buy the regular model: I have both an original Kindle Keyboard (from before they called it that), and the original Kindle Fire. No ads -- and if it had ads I wouldn't have bought them.

If models available when those wear out are not available without ads, I won't buy replacement Kindles for them. Amazon, I love your Kindle products, and I buy ebooks from you and I even subscribe to your video streaming -- but if you try to make me swallow ads too, then fuck you.

Well, then. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275381)

I can opt out of ads simply by buying another tablet. The Nexus 7 looks nice, and the Kobo Arc surprised me by running off-the-shelf ICS.

Re:Well, then. (2)

cob666 (656740) | about 2 years ago | (#41275537)

Couldn't you just put the device in the Airplane mode? No internet access, no ads (unless the ads are cached).

Re:Well, then. (2)

turkeyfeathers (843622) | about 2 years ago | (#41275783)

The ads are cached.

Re:Well, then. (2)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41275793)

No internet access, no ads (unless the ads are cached).

They are--at least, they are on the eInk Kindles. It shows the ads, and asks you to connect to a WiFi network if you click on them.

Bing search too (0)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 years ago | (#41275393)

Sad to see an otherwise nifty product Binged like that. I guess that's a paid ad too. An ad for Bing.

Re:Bing search too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275471)

As if there's much difference between Google search and Bing these days. Bing has caught up and the results are nearly identical. Bing actually has an advantage that it has less DMCA-removed pages. I always find stuff I want on Bing even when Google has removed certain pages.

Re:Bing search too (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275527)

And best of all, Bing Is Not Google!

Re:Bing search too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275899)

Gnu's Not Unix.

Partimage Is Not Ghost.

Obligatory Neal Stephenson Reference (4, Informative)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41275407)

Recall the guy in Diamond Age who made a name for himself by putting animated ads on chopsticks? As always, SF is way ahead of reality.

Re:Obligatory Neal Stephenson Reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275731)

Was there also a guy who had optical implants (N.k.n?), I remember they also showed ads. 24/7 awake or asleep there were the ads, straight into the optic nerve!

Mostly meh, but some Grr (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275419)

So long as it's only on the lock screen, I don't care that much about the ads themselves. They just show up when I'm not using the device, which is precisely the time when I don't care about ads.

What I do care about is that the ads have to be downloaded from somewhere, and the data plans on, say, the 3G devices are limited - with fairly steep overage costs. I'm not excited about paying for the delivery of ads.

Re:Mostly meh, but some Grr (2)

Kergan (780543) | about 2 years ago | (#41275461)

Ads also drain the battery (download + display).

Re:Mostly meh, but some Grr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275893)

Not much due to the E-Ink display...

Re:Mostly meh, but some Grr (1)

Snaller (147050) | about 2 years ago | (#41275469)

Now what if there was a way for the device to download ads without charging it to you?

That could be made.
(And would quickly be hacked, oh dear :)

Re:Mostly meh, but some Grr (5, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275493)

Give them an inch, they will take a mile. This is similar to the trial balloon where they were optional, and if no one protests they are mandatory, expect more intrusive ones the next round.

Re:Mostly meh, but some Grr (1)

Isaac-1 (233099) | about 2 years ago | (#41275597)

Perhaps, but it may also be that the special offers kindles out sell the ad free ones 10 or 20 to 1. Eeveryone I have talked to about their Kindles (various relatives, friends, etc.) have opted for the Special Offers model since they were introduced. Since Amazon does not release detailed sales numbers it is hard to tell for sure though.

Re:Mostly meh, but some Grr (1)

mrmeval (662166) | about 2 years ago | (#41275883)

I've had android app angry birds call up flash and play a full screen ad. I was going to buy it and their halloween edition but decided to delete it. I'm at the point I test apps in the andriod emulator and look at what it's network traffic is over a week before I'll load it on my phone. As you may guess I do not bother with many android apps from google as it's a sewer not an ecosystem.

Well that just means: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275421)

Rooted and ROM'd within 45 seconds. No more advertisements, ftw.

Re:Well that just means: (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275611)

Which is not for everyone, nor should you have to do this.

Re:Well that just means: (2)

Raistlin77 (754120) | about 2 years ago | (#41275729)

Which is not for everyone, nor should you have to do this.

So don't buy it. You're simply stupid if you buy something that does what you don't want it to do. Until the majority stops opening their wallets, this crap isn't going to stop.

and so it goes when trade control for convenience (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275439)

When we buy devices that we do not control, it will be ever more like this. They are there to track all our behavior for better targeting of advertisements, and as a byproduct, for building databases for three letter agencies in whatever government you live under.

You want to give up your general purpose PC, and buy a nice locked down tablet? Go right ahead. This is the cost, and you haven't even seen the merest beginning of it yet...

Sure you can! (4, Insightful)

Snaller (147050) | about 2 years ago | (#41275447)

Don't buy it

Re:Sure you can! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275489)

Exactly, the ultimate opt-out is just don't buy the ad infested product

Re:Sure you can! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275595)

This and parent...
I don't get why people complain and then still buy the product. If you don't like it, don't buy it...
With the chance of being called pedantic: there's a large section of humanity that is doing just fine without a tablet or eReader. Heck, even without a computer... I'm sure you'll do fine without your 'gotta-have-my-device-or-I-am-not-a-complete-human-being'...

Re:Sure you can! (2)

Kielistic (1273232) | about 2 years ago | (#41275855)

Or maybe they can voice their opinion about why they're not buying a device that they otherwise would. Therein informing the company that they might want to change things.

Re:Sure you can! (2)

Bill Dimm (463823) | about 2 years ago | (#41275715)

Bingo! I was planning to buy a Nexus 7 as a gift and thought I might have a tough decision between that and the Fire, but the ads made the choice easy.

No one will care (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 2 years ago | (#41275477)

None of the target audience for this device will care (or notice). Sure, there are plenty of geeks that will buy the device and root it and get rid of the ads, but nearly all of the people who buy an Amazon branded tablet are fine with Amazon ads and being locked to the Amazon ecosystem. Most people just want a device that works, they don't care how "open" it is, whether it's FOSS compliant, or whether or not it shows them an ad.

Re:No one will care (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275533)

I agree few will care ( or understand ) about being 'open', but you are mistaken about those that don't want an advertisement in their face every-time they turn the thing on. Many are also not thrilled about being locked into one of the 2 main ecosystems. "why cant i buy a book from B&N on my kindle"? ( yes i know you can with some effort but the average guy wants it to 'just work'.. )

significant nuisance (3, Informative)

bcrowell (177657) | about 2 years ago | (#41275515)

I picked up a low-end kindle at a discounted price (~$40) that I'm sure represented a loss for Amazon, and I don't buy any DRM'd books for it, so they're not recouping that loss from me. This gives me a gratifying feeling that I've successfully fought back against "the Man." I can read Jane Austen novels while traveling and not run out of reading material.

But the ads really are creepy and a nuisance. Every time you stop reading for a while, an ad comes up. To get past the ad, you have to click a button. Then it talks to your wifi network and pops up the details of the ad. Then you can finally click again to get back to reading Pride and Prejudice.

I accepted the ads as a conscious part of my plot to screw Amazon financially and get a useful toy for myself, which I use only while traveling. But would I pay hundreds of dollars for a device that pulled this kind of crap, if I was going to use the device a lot? No. Way. In. Hell.

We're really headed for a nasty, dystopian future with ebooks.

Readers will hate this. (3, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#41275649)

Every time you stop reading for a while, an ad comes up. To get past the ad, you have to click a button. Then it talks to your wifi network and pops up the details of the ad. Then you can finally click again to get back to reading Pride and Prejudice.

That's totally unacceptable. It may well bomb, like binding ad cards into paperback books did in the 1970s and the 2000s.

Where does Amazon get off doing this? They're not the publisher. The device is paid for. The books are paid for.

Re:Readers will hate this. (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 2 years ago | (#41275713)

Where does Amazon get off doing this? They're not the publisher. The device is paid for. The books are paid for.

The device and the books are being sold at a loss; or to put this another way, you're not the one paying for them. Amazon has discovered that consumers don't care what the catches are - in this case ads and the formation of an Amazon monopoly respectively - so long as things are cheap. In fact it will probably be the most successful Kindle yet.

Re:significant nuisance (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41275705)

But the ads really are creepy and a nuisance. Every time you stop reading for a while, an ad comes up. To get past the ad, you have to click a button. Then it talks to your wifi network and pops up the details of the ad. Then you can finally click again to get back to reading Pride and Prejudice.

I have a Kindle Touch, and have never experienced this. When you put it to sleep, it shows an ad, yes, but I've never had to click through it or read the ad. All I have to do is wake it and go back to reading. Maybe there's been a new (and obnoxious) update that changes this behavior--or maybe it's an issue with the cheapest Kindle (which I did briefly own, but don't remember having this problem).

Re:significant nuisance (1)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#41275711)

So you get ads to see. Seems that you have not really successfully fought back against "the Man".

Re:significant nuisance (1)

Raistlin77 (754120) | about 2 years ago | (#41275749)

I picked up a low-end kindle at a discounted price (~$40) that I'm sure represented a loss for Amazon, and I don't buy any DRM'd books for it, so they're not recouping that loss from me. This gives me a gratifying feeling that I've successfully fought back against "the Man."

You lost as soon as you bought the Kindle. You helped them recover some of the cost of manufacture instead of letting them lose it all on an unsold device.

The only way to fight "the Man" is to not buy the man's garbage and get other people to do the same.

That explains "Kindle Fire Sold Out Forever" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275517)

A headline that was reminiscent of the hand-scrawled sign "The Red-Headed League is Dissolved" in the Sherlock Holmes story. [wikipedia.org]

DOA` (2)

onyxruby (118189) | about 2 years ago | (#41275523)

Dead on arrival, I'm sorry, but no amount of technical wizardy, integration, cloud storage or other such thing can get past thing single issue. This is a deal breaker that simply can't be overcome. Sorry Amazon, I like you for so many other things.

My opinion of e-books are reinforced (4, Insightful)

kheldan (1460303) | about 2 years ago | (#41275531)

I'll continue to stick to printed books, thank you very much. They can't edit them, delete them, or plaster ads all over them once I own them, can they?

Re:My opinion of e-books are reinforced (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275543)

No, but they can plaster ads in them before you buy them. Ever read a magazine?

Re:My opinion of e-books are reinforced (1)

kheldan (1460303) | about 2 years ago | (#41275589)

I'm not talking about periodicals.

Re:My opinion of e-books are reinforced (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275635)

since we are talking fires, you want to. That is one of their main selling points, color for magazines and comix.

For "regular" books, e-ink is more than fine and for me, preferred. On ink currently you can still easily opt out of ads ( either by ponying up the extra $ or choosing a different vendor )

Re:My opinion of e-books are reinforced (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275669)

Or you could just buy one of many e-readers that don't have cell radios and thus cannot be used against your interests.

Re:My opinion of e-books are reinforced (2)

mrmeval (662166) | about 2 years ago | (#41275857)

No but I have a few with the thick cardboard cigarette and other ads still in them. Surprisingly that increases their value now. There are also the pulp novellas that have the trashy ads in the back. I'm not sure if it was cost or advertisers felt it was worthless which stopped those.

Tobacciana
http://wellmedicated.com/lists/40-gorgeous-vintage-tobacco-advertisements/ [wellmedicated.com]

Nah, it's not as pretty as it looks. Take a smokers shirt and soak it in a sink and watch the water change color. I quit smoking and am glad of it.

Then (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | about 2 years ago | (#41275553)

Who is going to buy that shit!!

LittleSnitch like App for tablets? (2)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 2 years ago | (#41275559)

Incoming connections we can deal with in one way or another by not responding/cancelling. I tend to be concerned with other things that leave my devices.

I'm wondering if there are equivalents to LittleSnitch to zap outgoing connections?

Re:LittleSnitch like App for tablets? (2)

mrmeval (662166) | about 2 years ago | (#41275871)

Do not buy hardware you cannot hack. If you're abused by your hardware you don't own it the people who control it own you.. I'll never touch their excrement.

I was wondering how that data plan was so cheap (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41275591)

I was wondering how Amazon could offer a data plan with the same price for a year's worth of service, that other tablet users have to pay in a month.

Well now we know. That data plan is subsidized with these ads...

I wonder if this will affect battery life at all. Ads on eInk I could see making a lot of sense because at rest they can just switch to an ad and there's no drop in battery life. But if you are going to have ads on a lockscreen, does that also mean a minimum time the lockscreen must be displayed on sleep? Will it just randomly turn on? Will it play audio too?

Filter or modify the ads on your wi-fi network (3, Interesting)

crow (16139) | about 2 years ago | (#41275603)

Has anyone analyzed the protocol that they use for advertising? How hard would it be to use a bogus DNS and serve your own ads, or to simply block them? Could a business with free public wi-fi set it up to serve ads for their business? Can I serve up ads for rooting your Kindle on my home network for any friends that visit?

Business Opportunity. (3, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | about 2 years ago | (#41275607)

I have no intention of buying a device that won't let me remove the ads, but for those who do, I think there might be a brisk business for a router that can block ad servers, along with a nice user-friendly UI to control it.

-jcr

i hate ads (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275647)

this is one of the reasons i'll pay more for macs because they dont come loaded with shovelware bullshit

Suuuuuuure. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275673)

"Our copyprotection is save for at least ten years". -- Some SONY-Exec without pants mooning the hackers....

I will avoid that like the plague (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275695)

Thought I was getting one.

Shit sandwich. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 2 years ago | (#41275719)

That's a shit sandwich on two levels. First, they don't even give you the option of going ad free. Second, the 4g LTE HD kindle fire has that sweet deal, but it's only 250 megs a month! Every kb counts. :/

Because NO ONE has a custom rom for the kindle.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41275721)

I mean really........doing that will practically PUSH most users...even the technologically inept ones...into finding and using custom roms which will COMPLETELY remove ANY advertising potential in their devices.

I expect some marketing guy will be viciously fired within a year.....

Screwing themselves (4, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 2 years ago | (#41275751)

I paid for the version without ads. In the kindle hacking community, there was a definite aversion to helping people circumvent the ads. If you don't want the ads, but a kindle without ads they'd say. Now however, I'm willing to bet that very same hacking community will consider it their duty to help people remove the ads. Amazons screwing themselves with this move.

Old fires too? (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about 2 years ago | (#41275757)

Will they be getting a firmware update that includes the ads?

Advertisers agree to honor DNT (1, Interesting)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 2 years ago | (#41275763)

Advertisers agree to honor DNT only from browsers that display the setting behind a door labelled "beware leopard".

It's bullshit anyway - any standard based on advertisers behaving ethically is a nonstarter. Apple's default no-third-party cookies seems worthwhile, if circumventable. Why not do more of that? If there are Moz people working on the DNT standard, I feel like they are being suckered.

If it's google's display advertising business you're concerned with, I don't really understand your concerns. If it's any of the many less scrupulous parties that you are concerned with, they're just going to ignore DNT.

Reminds Me Of The Free PC Era (4, Informative)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 2 years ago | (#41275825)

For better or worse this reminds me of the "free" PC era.

For you youngins that weren't around at the time, in the late 90s at the tail-end of the dot-com boom, companies would offer PCs for free [tweney.com] in exchange for the ability to track your usage of the PC, track your buying habits, and to run ads. This happened to come late enough in the dot-com boom that "free" PCs were only around for a short period of time before the PC suppliers (and really, the crazy dot-coms that funded them) vanished in a puff of red smoke.

Anyhow, even though no one is getting a free device this time around the similarities are very strong. Amazon gets to track your usage and buying habits (via Silk), and they get to run ads. In fact the only thing that seems different is that instead of being exploited for free, people are expected to pay to be exploited this time around. Financially this is an improvement - this stupid concept may get off the ground for once - but I'm not sure this is any better for consumers than it was the first time around.

It's opt-in (5, Insightful)

Fuzzums (250400) | about 2 years ago | (#41275919)

"there is no way to opt out of the ads on the new Kindle Fire tablets"

Actually, you opt-in by buying that tablet.
Your opt-out option is not buying that tablet.

Easy.

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