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The Linux Desktop and ISVs/OEMs

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the mixing-freedom-and-business dept.

Operating Systems 195

olau writes "Michael Meeks, who's worked on GNOME and LibreOffice integration for many years, now for SuSE, has some really interesting thoughts on the recent Linux desktop debate and suggestions for possible strategies. He points out that regarding independent software vendors (ISVs), the real issue isn't actually the quality of the tools but the size and attractiveness of the market, and perhaps that a solution could be lower barriers for paying or donating. Regarding OEMs selling hardware with software preinstalled, he points out that while a free OS + software sounds good for consumers, it's actually a problem for OEMs on razor-thin margins, since they lose the cut they get from the preinstallations. A possible countermove could be nailing robustness and hardware diagnostics for good, lowering OEM support costs."

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Fall in line (5, Insightful)

pellik (193063) | about 2 years ago | (#41304681)

At the end of the day, it's a lot easier if Grandma has an OS that other family members can help her with.

No matter how much I like my Linux Desktop, I don't want to be responsible for bringing non-tech-savvy people along. The rest of the family is fully capable of troubleshooting basic windows problems, more or less.

Re:Fall in line (5, Insightful)

vurian (645456) | about 2 years ago | (#41304695)

It was one, good, reason for moving to Linux. The perfect excuse to decline helping people with their Windows problems.

Re:Fall in line (2)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#41305273)

Amen to that! That has been exactly my experience. After 1999 I was a Linux guy. Before that, a Mac guy. I've never had to help people with Windows problems. I don't run Windows, and I don't know how to "fix" Windows -- other than in a similar sense to getting a pet "fixed". My best honest advice to switch to something else is all I could offer, and they knew it.

Lately Windows problems seem to be getting a lot worse and a lot faster. I've had several friends have severe problems suddenly within recent months.

Re:Fall in line (5, Interesting)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#41305383)

I have been doing this for years. People come to me with Windows problems and I just say they must go to the person who sold them their software.

Blank stares as they do not understand. They are confused because they did not pay for their version of Windows. Even blanker stares if they DID pay for their version and can't get support for it.

And then they tell me that they found somebody who did it for them who explained that it is normal that PCs go slower over time and that they must buy a new one. When I ask them if their TV is slower, they look at me if _I_ am stoopid.

Obviously they have no interest in free (beer AND speech) alternatives.

Re:Fall in line (5, Insightful)

Urza9814 (883915) | about 2 years ago | (#41305475)

On the other hand...

My mother has a Linux netbook. Other than getting her email set up with Thunderbird when she got it (she couldn't do that herself in Outlook Express either,) I haven't ever touched the thing. It's just never had an issue.

Her Windows desktop, on the other hand, seems to need some kind of repair every time I visit.....

Re:Fall in line (4, Interesting)

greenbird (859670) | about 2 years ago | (#41307525)

Her Windows desktop, on the other hand, seems to need some kind of repair every time I visit.....

Amen to that, brother. I use to have to book special trips to fix my mothers Windows systems, printers not working, email broke, browser won't work on web site, system real slow, weird crashes, viruses like you wouldn't beleive, and on and on... Finally her laptop broke and she took it Geek Squad (mind you against my repeated admonitions not to). They charged her $70 to tell her their Windows diagnostic CD wouldn't even start and she had serious hardware problems and it would cost at LEAST $200 more just to diagnose the problems. I told her to send it to me. I installed Ubuntu. Went up there and showed her where the menus were, how to find all the nice free software for doing whatever she needed to do and set up her email in Thunderbird. Haven't had to touch it since and that was more than 3 years ago. Mind you she is about as computer illiterate as they come. I could tell several more stories of conversion. Linux is better on the desktop than Windows for everyone, not just "computer geeks". The ONLY reason it's not more wide spread is it doesn't come pre-installed. Mind you it's a lot easier to install than Windows also.

Re:Fall in line (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306917)

The only thing holding me back from full transition to Linux is the lack of anything like Acrobat Pro. Yeah, I've tried 'em all, they just fall so short its pathetic. And no, Wine emulation is not a real answer. I need a full powered PDF editor that does EVERYTHING Acrobat does. And it hasn't been released yet...

Re:Fall in line (2)

Z34107 (925136) | about 2 years ago | (#41307361)

Or, you could not be passive-aggressive and decline politely.

Re:Fall in line (4, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | about 2 years ago | (#41304729)

I view that the other way round - One way or another I will be tech support for my mother. It would be easier for me, as someone that doesn't use windows any more, to support her using linux.

But frankly at this point I don't want the hassle of moving her from one OS that she knows how to use badly to another she doesn't know at all.

Re:Fall in line (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41304999)

Run windows in a vm on her machine, automate snapshots and that way you can roll it back for her.

Old folks don't play video games or need tons of storage.

Re:Fall in line (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41305375)

Make sure they understand that the data they store in the VM is not permanent, and they need to keep backups of everything as often as possible. You dont want them to lose their holiday picture, right?

Re:Fall in line (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41305445)

No, you keep the backups. You run another VM that they do not have access to, that you write these backups too. Better yet copy them back your home, but the option I propose works too.

Anyone were you would be doing this too is not going to be able to/want to run backups.

Re:Fall in line (2)

Atzanteol (99067) | about 2 years ago | (#41305535)

How do you get her to use the VM rather than the host OS?

Re:Fall in line (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#41305589)

Why bother with all that and have the extra load of running a VM on top of the system when you can just slap Comodo Time Machine [softpedia.com] set to take snapshots at startup and just call it a day?

Its the perfect cure for the clueless users that break their machines, just have them hit the home key on boot, or pick the little clock icon if its running, send it back to a snapshot before they borked it and voila! Hell you can even lock a clean and loaded snapshot so its like having your own factory restore for any machine you want. Its free, its simple, what more could you want?

Re:Fall in line (2)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 2 years ago | (#41305999)

Let her experiment with several live CDs: Ubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu. Find out if she likes any of them enough to want to migrate and if so, help her do what's needed. Make sure that she knows that she won't have to worry about malware, defragging or restarting her computer several times a day and that you'll still do her tech support whatever she decides.

Re:Fall in line (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41307667)

But frankly at this point I don't want the hassle of moving her from one OS that she knows how to use badly to another she doesn't know at all.

XFCE + XP theme = very easy to pick up. Grab Ubuntu LTS or just Debian stable and update during the holidays.

Re:Fall in line (2)

Lashat (1041424) | about 2 years ago | (#41304751)

I agree. That is a tough nut to crack, lowering support costs for the *average* consumer. The best case scenario I can imagine (and I admit I'm not trying to imagine too hard) is being able to remote in to the system and fix the box remotely. I can't imagine how many support calls are generated because the user installed software that is imcompatible with the latest kernel update.

+1 funny (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41304801)

"family is fully capable of troubleshooting basic windows problems"

tee hee

Re:Fall in line (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41304881)

At the end of the day, it's a lot easier if Grandma has an OS that other family members can help her with.
No matter how much I like my Linux Desktop, I don't want to be responsible for bringing non-tech-savvy people along. The rest of the family is fully capable of troubleshooting basic windows problems, more or less.

Helping Grandma is precisely why I switched her to Linux. On Windows, she needed help just about every other week due to malware, blue screens of death, unbearable slowness, random crashes and freezes, etc. With Linux, I set it up once for her 2 years ago, and she's not had a single problem or complaint since.

Re:Fall in line (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305027)

It's probably because she couldn't figure it out and gave up on it. That's why there wasn't anything in your Christmas card from her last year. She's pissed.
 
As a side note, what kind of lump of crap did you give her in the first place? I haven't seen Windows blue screen aside from hardware failure in about a decade. I work in an environment with hundreds of Windows PC. It's just not a common event anymore.

Re:Fall in line (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305131)

you fail, i do same shit and i personally come across all sort of unrestorable bugs once every month or so, WITH data loss that costs me nerves.

Re:Fall in line (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306727)

I work in an environment with three hundred Windows installs.

There are several machines a day with problems, often including bluescreens. The bulk of them come from poor separation of software from drivers (mouse, keyboard stop responding).

Re:Fall in line (4, Interesting)

DickBreath (207180) | about 2 years ago | (#41305395)

That is also my experience. Set grandma up with Linux (Ubuntu 6.10) on a very old PC back in 2006. Gradually she not only got used to it but got to make good enough use of it to warrant a brand new machine. Now several years after that, we upgraded the hard drive, and the Ubuntu on it. Now we're thinking about another new PC with yet another new Ubuntu. I don't know how Unity will go over, but the browser seems to be the major application other than some collecting and printing of digital camera photos.

Oh, and she lives several hours away. So I set up a way I can SSH in through the firewall on non standard port, and then VNC. I've only had to do that about three or four times over the years, and mostly only in the early days. Things like accidentially pressing F11 to maximize Firefox -- OMG what happened! Etc.

Re:Fall in line (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305829)

Same story here. My grandpa (85 years old) loves it as there is less self-installing crap from the internet, various pop-ups on desktop etc. I was going to assign his laptop a static IP, but then I am not sure how it works if he takes it outside to some guest wifi, so I assigned a bunch of router ports to reroute to SSH at different dynamic IPs.

Re:Fall in line (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 2 years ago | (#41306085)

When Ubuntu went to Unity, my older sister did her best to adapt to it. After over a year, she got tired of (among other things) having to hit tiny activation points with her mouse, especially when her Parkenson's is acting up. I'd moved from Gnome to Xfce (on Fedora) to avoid ever having to deal with Gnome 3, and showed her how much simpler it is and after a bit of thinking it over, I talked her through installing Xfce and making it her default DE. If your grandma doesn't want to learn a whole new DE, let her try both Xfce and KDE, then pick the one she likes best.

Re:Fall in line (2)

sbditto85 (879153) | about 2 years ago | (#41304969)

The rest of the family is fully capable of troubleshooting basic windows problems, more or less.

you mean restart?

Re:Fall in line (2, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#41305521)

Watch me get hate for saying this, but fuck it I got karma...its the updates!

I can take a copy of XP RTM with NO service packs, slap it on any old bog standard P4 or other PC I have laying around, make sure all the drivers are working and then patch it to current. That is THREE service packs and probably a couple of thousand updates on top of that, what do I get at the end? It is ALL still working. The WiFi is working, the video is working, the sound, the NIC, its ALL still working.

Now compare to Linux: I can take any distro that was released the same quarter as Vista, which is supposed to be the shittiest MSFT OS since WinME which I agree with, place it and Vista RTM side by side, patch them both to current...what do I get? All the hardware on the Vista machine still works, the hardware on the Linux box is fucked.

What does this have to do with system builders like me and OEMs? Simple as a wise man once said "Linux is free if your time is worthless" and every damned one of those broken drivers cost me money and at $40 for Win 8 pro, $80 for Win 7 Home and $140 for Win 7 Pro frankly it don't take more than one forum hunt to make Linux cost me more money than a system builder or OEM copy of Windows.

Believe me I wish it weren't so, for the customers that don't game frankly they live on the web so Linux SHOULD be just the perfect fit for them, but until you can get those God damned system devs to give us an ABI and quit shitting all over the damned internals so drivers that work in foo is broken in foo+1 then OEMs like me aren't gonna touch it with a 50 foot pole. The simple fact is unless you set up as an Internet only business, where you don't offer dick for after sale support, then Linux will bankrupt you.

Re:Fall in line (3, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about 2 years ago | (#41306065)

Watch me get hate for saying this, but fuck it I got karma...its the updates!

Well, is it hate because people disagree with you or is it hate because you're wrong and being deliberately inflammatory?

can take a copy of XP RTM with NO service packs, slap it on any old bog standard P4 or other PC I have laying around, make sure all the drivers are working and then patch it to current. That is THREE service packs and probably a couple of thousand updates on top of that, what do I get at the end? It is ALL still working. The WiFi is working, the video is working, the sound, the NIC, its ALL still working.

Lucky you! I've seen one or more driver packs and updates in sequence for Windows XP cause it to be left in a shitty state that works (maybe) but is broken in some manner.

Now compare to Linux: I can take any distro that was released the same quarter as Vista, which is supposed to be the shittiest MSFT OS since WinME which I agree with, place it and Vista RTM side by side, patch them both to current...what do I get? All the hardware on the Vista machine still works, the hardware on the Linux box is fucked.

Really? How so? Oh wait, you won't give an example. Just a "Linux leaves systems fucked after updates! Linux sucks!" and we're supposed to believe you blindly. Got it.

Re:Fall in line (2)

TemporalBeing (803363) | about 2 years ago | (#41306399)

That all depends on the hardware you buy. For instance, put a SATA drive in the system and try to install any version of Windows XP - it won't as the disk doesn't contain the drivers and you have to use a floppy drive to load the drivers (or modify the install disk to include them). Dell/HP/etc modify the disk and set it up for you; but if you bought it with an IDE drive (a long time ago) and upgraded to a SATA, then you're screwed. Vista/Win7 are better as they do include the SATA drivers. (And yes, SATA was available when WinXP SP3 was released, so the age issue is not an excuse.)

If, however, you screen your hardware - which if you are selecting hardware to put in a machine you should be doing to start with - then you can verify that the chips are supported by Linux to start with, and what state that support is - whether fully supported directly by the kernel folks (the vast majority), requiring a binary blob (e.g. nVidia, win-modems, many RAID controllers), or completely unsupported, and whether community or manufacturer supported. If you pay attention, then you'll get better quality hardware with support, and won't have an issue as you upgrade the system.

If you're buying a pre-built computer, then you can pay attention and do a little research or order it with Linux to start with. (Yes, that's possible. my last laptop purchase was an HP with Linux pre-installed.)

Re:Fall in line (0)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#41306413)

That's BS. Regressions in HW support are extremely rare and get fixed soon (OK sometimes it may take 2 or 3 kernel releases.) If you run into one of those you can always go back to an older kernel or even full OS.
Microsoft and HW vendors, on the other hand, have dropped a large number of drivers from XP to today and if your hardware is no longer supported (i.e. tested) by the vendor chances are you'll get a persistent BSOD after a Windows update sooner or later. That has happened to me on roughly a third of elderly Windows systems. Of course they were all converted to Linux.

Re:Fall in line (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306747)

Sigh, more anti-Linux FUD from hairyfeet. Notice all his posts look like the same copy-paste?

Calling BS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306835)

In my 19 years of Linux experience, I have only seen the issue you claim, once. When ATA drives using sata drivers renamed devices to sd. However, even that single instance caused no one issues who referred to drives by uuid or label in their fstab- the recommended practice (or for luns that used md, lvm, etc.) so for many (of that small number of users) who's hardware was affected, even that was a non-event. This also would only have affected a rather small percentage of the linux boxen at the time.

So, I think you are just trolling.

Not sure why you were modded up. /. seems to be going to hell lately with tons of troll linux on the desktop stories, and even greater numbers of microsoft windows crap posing as stories-- I mean really, MS changing their logo made the front page?!! How much is M$ paying you Timmothy? Seems either a bunch of MS shills or a bunch of windows fan-boys found out about this site called /., and have destroyed it.

Re:Fall in line (1)

El_Oscuro (1022477) | about 2 years ago | (#41307279)

I need a new system. My 5 year old Dell (preloaded with Ubuntu 7.04, now upgraded to Ubuntu 12.04) is starting to really show its age. I am posting this from it with my original wireless card. While all of my favorite Windows games (RCT2, Battle Zone, Fallout, Death Rally) work perfecty under WINE and the rest, (ROTT, DOOMxxx, Cold War, DEFCON 1) have been natively ported to Linux, I can't run the lastest games like "Amnesia: The Dark Descent" with the best performance. It is playable but slow.

I got tired of upgrading Ubuntu every 6 months - while pretty easy compared to a Windows upgrade, you still have to download a lot of stuff and it took awhile. After LTS 8.04, I just upgraded every 2 years. Now at 12.04, the LTS cycle is 5 years, about the max life of a PC.

If you want a Linux computer, buy one with it preinstalled. That way, all of your shit works. I got mine from Dell, though I am not sure they offer them anymore. No mattter. I am drooling over one of these [system76.com] , but might have to settle for one of these. [system76.com]

Re:Fall in line (3)

greenbird (859670) | about 2 years ago | (#41307631)

Now compare to Linux: I can take any distro that was released the same quarter as Vista, which is supposed to be the shittiest MSFT OS since WinME which I agree with, place it and Vista RTM side by side, patch them both to current...what do I get? All the hardware on the Vista machine still works, the hardware on the Linux box is fucked.

This is just plain a blatant lie. In the past 10 years I've installed OSes on at least 40 systems ranging from old clunky desktop hardware to netbooks. With Linux I've almost never had problems other than wireless and even that hasn't usually been an issue for years. Every time I've installed Windows it's been a battle with drivers. With XP you couldn't even install to SATA drives until Service Pack 2 years after SATA came out. Then you had to load network drivers to a CD just to get them to the system so you could even get the rest of the drivers. Then you have to figure out what video and sound drivers you needed while operating at 640×480. Now Windows 7 is greatly improved in this respect. At least the basics like networking seem to work so you can just pull video drivers from the web (mind you still, running at 640x480).

I got my mom to use linux, and she's a Grandma. (3, Interesting)

Zimluura (2543412) | about 2 years ago | (#41305547)

I got my mom to use linux, and she's a Grandma. I got sick of having to re-install windows so I left for linux*, then told her that I wasn't really doing windows anymore because I no longer learned anything when i fixed problems on it. So she switched, loves it, when it has issues...at least I learn something.

*not having internet explorer is a feature!

Yup, got that T-shirt. (1)

Medievalist (16032) | about 2 years ago | (#41305667)

At the end of the day, it's a lot easier if Grandma has an OS that other family members can help her with.

Exactly why Granddad is on linux! But it never actually breaks, so that's a bonus too.

Grandma wants nothing to do with computers, she says she's gotten along just fine without them for nearly a hundred years and sees no need for them in her life.

Re:Fall in line (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305991)

But really - is Linux *that* much different from a pure user perspective than any other OS now? I am not talking about the system level stuff or the real head scratchers (Those are found in every OS) - I am talking about that pure usage stuff. Getting online, opening a browser, reading/writing email, working with documents... none of this is that different in Linux than it is in Windows or OSX. Changing wallpaper or plugging in a standard printer or digital camera... I haven't had to have a serious problem at that level with Linux in years now. As a matter of fact, I have had more problems with digital cameras or media players in OSX than I have had in Linux or Windows....

What about 79-year old mother-in-laws? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41307641)

"No matter how much I like my Linux Desktop, I don't want to be responsible for bringing non-tech-savvy people along"

'Desktop Linux has been as easy to use as any of the mainstream desktop operating systems for over a decade. How easy is it? My 79-year old mother-in-law, Hulvia, can use it. -year old mother-in-law' link [zdnet.com]

You sell for the market. (2)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#41304753)

You have a sales team, you are trying to sell your product. That is hard enough. Now you need to push Linux too on their existing Windows infrastructure too...

Companies like consistency. Linux is a perfectly good OS. However we are a windows shop here, and don't want to support two platforms.

Companies will pay more money to keep a consistent environment. Those Linux servers will need to cost $500 less then their windows counterparts. You need to be less then the OS cost and less then the Its different cost, then you will need to deal with people who will just get the lesser cost system and put their own OS on it (legal/illegal/let the courts decide if they find out)

Re:You sell for the market. (3, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | about 2 years ago | (#41304931)

Linux SERVERS already manage to hit the "cost $500 less" metric. That's not the topic of discussion here. This was an article about DESKTOP Linux.

Servers are an entirely different kettle of fish and an area where Microsoft isn't nearly as dominant.

Re:You sell for the market. (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41304997)

You run Windows? On servers?

Re:You sell for the market. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305367)

They've got something like half the server market, so I guess somebody is running Windows on servers.

Part #1 of 2: Windows on Servers... apk (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305947)

367++ TOP FORTUNE 100/500 (or best 100 to work for per CNN Money) COMPANIES, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, &/or GOVERNMENT AGENCIES USING WINDOWS (over other solutions like Linux) both in HIGH TPM ENVIRONS, & FROM "TOP 100 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" (per CNN Money 2011):

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38 HIGH TPM & 99.999% "uptime" examples:

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XEROX: Managing 7++ million transactions a day for office devices for its customers using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 64-bit with 99.999% uptime!

NASDAQ: The U.S.' LARGEST STOCK EXCHANGE, Since 2005 has had Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters running the "official trade data dissemination system" for them in 24x7 fabled "5-9's" 99.999% uptime, doing 64,000 transactions PER SECOND (compare London Stock Exchange using Linux @ 3,000 per second)

FUJIFILM GROUP: Tracks data for its imaging, information, & documentation for its products & services using Windows Server 2003 w/ a custom SAP solution on SQLServer 2005, achieving 99.999% uptime.

HILTON HOTELS: Manages 1.4 Billion records a day for customers in 1000's of their hotels worldwide - for 370,000 rooms & catering services forecasts (switching from 6 *NIX systems to 1 Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 clustered failover system using a data warehouse with 7 million rows & 99.998% uptime).

MEDITERRANEAN SHIPPING COMPANY: Manages & Tracks 7 million containers out of 116 countries daily using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters with 99.999% uptime.

SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES: Serves 70 airport destinations worldwide, with 6,500 employees + 110 branch offices via Windows Server 2003 & Active Directory with 99.95% uptime (all while growing their business 30% per year). THEIR PREVIOUS LINUX SYSTEM COULD ONLY HANDLE 250 concurrent users - the Windows one handles over 500++ users concurrently/simultaneously!

UNILEVER: Global consumer good leader, migrated to mySAP on SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003 & scaled UP their operations by over 200% & yet saved money + have 99.999% uptime!

MOTOROLA: Using System Management Server, Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005 to conduct inventory of 65,000 desktops from a single location (e.g. for system updates corporate & worldwide).

NISSAN: Uses Windows Server 2003 to manage 50,000 employees' email & calendaring (w/ out VPN, & using Exchange Server 2003) for local AND remote + mobile users.

TOYOTA MOTOR SALES: Reduced the # of techs needed per dealership (1,000's worldwide) from 7, to 1 using Windows Server 2003.

SIEMENS: 420,000++ people, 130 business units over 190 countries managed in Windows Active Directory

REUTERS: Managing 3,000 servers worldwide @ customer sites internationally (using only 4 managers to do so, remotely).

DELL COMPUTER: Managing 130,000 servers & 100,000 PC's worldside using Windows Server 2003 + 40 million customers' data worldwide.

LEXIS NEXIS: Searches BILLIONS of documents each second delivering news, legal, & business information.

HSBC: Deploys System Center solutions to 15,000 Servers worldwide & 300,000 desktops using Windows Server 2003.

RAYOVAC: Chose Windows Server 2003 over Linux to manage their infrastructure - saving 1 million dollars estimated in software, staffing, & support costs.

JETTAINER/LUFTHANSA/U.S. AIRWAYS: managing shipping to 3,000 flights to 400 airports every day.

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES: Manages crew communication systems, log on/log off, schedules, & shifts using Windows Server 2008 worldwide.

JET BLUE AIRWAYS: Managing 12 million flights & their data annually + ticketing, finance, & personnel too.

TIMEX: Using Windows + Exchange Server for remote personnel & executives (for their ENTIRE workforce)

7 ELEVEN STORES: Chose Windows Server 2003 over Linux with a 20% TCO (total cost of ownership savings not only ESTIMATED, but actually REALIZED!), managing 1,000's of in-store servers via AD worldwide.

STATE OF ILLINOIS GOVERNMENT: Chose Windows Server 2003 over Linux to manage its ENTIRE infrastructure, state-wide, in 1,000's of offices remotely, back to central.

SWITZERLAND'S DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Managing 666 servers in 156 nations internationally.

REGAL ENTERTAINMENT GROUP: Used to run its POS concession & tickets systems @ 1,000's of theaters worldwide on Linux - Switching to Windows Server 2003 + Windows "Embedded" lowered their total cost of ownership (TCO), substantially as well as giving them better uptime.

CARNIVAL CRUISE LINES: Manages 1,000 shipboard & land based servers using Windows Server 2003 & Server Center.

QUALCOMM INCORPORATED: A wireless technology leader using Windows Server 2003 for managing 6,000 employees via an Active Directory Network in a Secured Network & Communications Infrastructure via Group Policies on AD, resulting in 33% less IT costs.

STARBUCKS: Managing 1,000's of store locations servers worldwide to HQ via Windows Server 2003 Active Directory.

RADIOSHACK: Upgrading from UNIX servers to Windows Server 2003 saved several millions in hardware, software, systems mgt., & support costs (chosen over LINUX in fact) - consolidated in-store servers by 50% from 10,200 to 5,100.

TOMMY HILFIGER: Using Windows Server 2003 they reduced their IT costs by 30%.

VIRGIN ENTERTAINMENT GROUP: Processes 400,000++ SKU's & 7.5 MILLION transactions per second analyzed in REAL TIME!

INFORMATION RESOURCES INC.: Manages over 123 terabytes of data providing consumer behaviour insights, advanced analytics, & decision analysis tools for consumer package goods, healthcare, retail, & financial sectors.

NcSOFT: Korean international gaming software company manages 400,000 users connecting to its game service SIMULTANEOUSLY using Windows Server 2003.

PING: Manages 400 end + servers & desktops for users via Windows Server 2003 Active Directory (& saved 40% less time vs. their old setup on Linux) from a single location.

TDC: Communications leader that is in 12 nations, using Windows Server 2003 to analyze data from 70 disparate (different) systems worldwide centralizing the data + analysis in SQLServer 2005.

GAMEWORKS: A high-tech gaming & restaurant chain, reduced helpdesk costs by 50% using Windows Server 2003 & AD Networks + Group Policies.

SHOP DIRECT: Shop Direct, operating under a number of brands including Littlewoods, Very, Woolworths, Marshall Ward, Kays and Great Universal, employs no less than 10,000 workers, 10% of whom work remotely. In addition, the Group also intends to migrate no less than 350 servers from Windows Server 2003 to Windows Server 2008 R2. The combination of Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 facilitates scenarios in which remote workers are no longer relying on Virtual Private Networks, but instead use the evolved DirectAccess technology. Another advantage of using Windows 7 Enterprise and ultimate is that the operating systems include BitLocker and BitLocker To Go encryption by default, which serves to protect the sensitive data of employees working remotely.

KBR/Kellogg Brown & Root: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.KBR.com [netcraft.com]

MICROSOFT THEMSELVES: The "shoe maker wears his own shoes" a sure mark of quality -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=microsoft.com [netcraft.com]

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37++ MORE FORTUNE 100 COMPANIES RUNNING WINDOWS (OVER OTHER SOLUTIONS LIKE LINUX-UNIX etc./et al), from -> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/2010/full_list/ [cnn.com]

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TRAVELERS INSURANCE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.travelers.com [netcraft.com]

PHILIPP MORRIS: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pmi.com [netcraft.com]

ENTERPRISE HOLDINGS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.enterpriseholdings.com [netcraft.com]

TYSON FOODS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tyson.com [netcraft.com]

HESS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.hess.com [netcraft.com]

SUNOCO: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sunocoinc.com [netcraft.com]

HONEYWELL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=honeywell.com [netcraft.com]

HUMANA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.humana.com [netcraft.com]

GENERAL DYNAMICS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=generaldynamics.com [netcraft.com]

STATE FARM INSURANCE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.statefarm.com [netcraft.com]

COMCAST: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.comcast.com [netcraft.com]

DISNEY: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=disney.go.com [netcraft.com]

SYSCO: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sysco.com [netcraft.com]

KRAFT FOODS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kraftfoodscompany.com [netcraft.com]

PEPSI: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pepsico.com [netcraft.com]

INTERNATIONAL HOLDINGS CORP.: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=intlfcstone.com [netcraft.com]

DOW CHEMICAL: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.dow.com [netcraft.com]

MARATHON OIL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.marathon.com [netcraft.com]

UNITED TECHNOLOGIES: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utc.com [netcraft.com]

WELLPOINT: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wellpoint.com [netcraft.com]

COSTCO: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.costco.com [netcraft.com]

BRISTOL MYERS SQUIBB: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bms.com [netcraft.com]

AMERISOURCE-BERGEN: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.amerisourcebergen.com [netcraft.com]

KROGER: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kroger.com [netcraft.com]

UNITED HEALTH GROUP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unitedhealthgroup.com [netcraft.com]

MCKESSON: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.mckesson.com [netcraft.com]

BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.berkshirehathaway.com [netcraft.com]

CONOCO-PHILLIPS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.conocophillips.com [netcraft.com]

CHEVRON: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.chevron.com [netcraft.com]

EXXON-MOBIL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.exxonmobil.com [netcraft.com]

PLAINS ALL-AMERICAN PIPELINE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=paalp.com [netcraft.com]

INTL FCStone Inc.: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=intlfcstone.com [netcraft.com]

WELLPOINT: Runs their domain on IIS7 -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wellpoint.com [netcraft.com]

CHRYSLER: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.chryslergroupllc.com [netcraft.com]

CHINA NATIONAL PETROLEUM: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cnpc.com.cn [netcraft.com]

ENEL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.enel.com [netcraft.com]

DOW JONES: Runs their domain on IIS (oddest mix I ever saw) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.dowjones.com [netcraft.com]

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(2006 BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR/TOP 100 FORTUNE 100-500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR -> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/full_list/ [cnn.com]

64++ 2011 BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR/TOP 100 FORTUNE 100-500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR -> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2011/full_list/ [cnn.com] )

"TOP 30 MEMBERS USING WINDOWS FROM BOTH 2006 & 2011 TOP 100 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR:"

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VALERO: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=valero.com [netcraft.com]

GRIFFIN HOSPITAL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=griffinhealth.org [netcraft.com]

VISION SERVICE PLAN/VSP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=vsp.com [netcraft.com]

J.L. SMUCKER: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=smucker.com [netcraft.com]

S.C. JOHNSON: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=scjohnson.com [netcraft.com]

BOSTON CONSULTING GROUP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=bcg.com [netcraft.com]

PLANTE & MORAN: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=plantemoran.com [netcraft.com]

HOMEBANC MORTGAGE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=homebanc.com [netcraft.com]

REPUBLIC BANCORP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=republicbancorp.com [netcraft.com]

BAPTIST HEALTHCARE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=ebaptisthealthcare.org [netcraft.com]

ALSTON & BIRD: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=alston.com [netcraft.com]

KIMLEY-HORN & ASSOCIATES: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=kimley-horn.com [netcraft.com]

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(OVER 1/2 of the TOP 30 (12 of 20 of the 2006 &/or 2011 pack) are using Windows & QUALCOMM #23 + STARBUCKS #29 exist already above using Windows in capacities besides running their websites!)

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QUIKTRIP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=quiktrip.com [netcraft.com]

DAVID WEEKELY HOMES: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=davidweekleyhomes.com [netcraft.com]

ROBERT W. BAIRD: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=rwbaird.com [netcraft.com]

ALCON LABS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=alconlabs.com [netcraft.com]

AMERICAN FIDELITY INSURANCE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=afadvantage.com [netcraft.com]

TDINDUSTRIES: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=tdindustries.com [netcraft.com]

MARRIOTT: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=marriot.com [netcraft.com]

CAMDEN PROPERTY TRUST: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=camdenliving.com [netcraft.com]

SCOTTRADE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=scottrade.com [netcraft.com]

JM FAMILY ENTERPRISES: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=jmfamily.com [netcraft.com]

STEW LEONARDS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=stewleonards.com [netcraft.com]

METHODIST HEALTH: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=methodisthealth.com [netcraft.com]

DPR CONSTRUCTION: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dpr.com [netcraft.com]

UMPQUA BANK: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=umpquabank.com [netcraft.com]

BINGHAM LOANS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=bingham.com [netcraft.com]

NUSTAR ENERGY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=nustarenergy.com [netcraft.com]

PAST TOP 30, into the 30-100 range now (of the "top 100 fortune 100 companies to work for" from CNN Money)

CHESAPEAKE ENERGY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=chk.com [netcraft.com]

SOUTHERN OHIO MEDICAL CENTER: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.somc.org [netcraft.com]

PCL CONSTRUCTION: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pcl.com [netcraft.com]

AMERICAN FIDELITY ASSURANCE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.afadvantage.com [netcraft.com]

BALFOUR BEATTY CONSTRUCTION: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.balfourbeattyus.com [netcraft.com]

DEVON ENERGY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.devonenergy.com [netcraft.com]

BAPTIST HEALTH S. FLORIDA: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.baptisthealth.net [netcraft.com]

SHARED TECHNOLOGIES: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sharedtechnologies.com [netcraft.com]

JOHNSON FINANCIAL GROUP: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.johnsonbank.com [netcraft.com]

NOVO NORDISK: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.novonordisk-us.com [netcraft.com]

BAKER DONELSON: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bakerdonelson.com [netcraft.com]

PERKINS COLE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.perkinscoie.com [netcraft.com]

MILLENIUM/TAKEDA ONCOLOGY CO.: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.millennium.com [netcraft.com]

AFLAC: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.aflac.com [netcraft.com]

CHILDREN'S HEALTHCARE OF ATLANTA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.choa.org [netcraft.com]

OHIOHEALTH: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ohiohealth.com [netcraft.com]

EOG Resources: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.eogresources.com [netcraft.com]

PUBLIX GROCERY: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.publix.com [netcraft.com]

ARKANSAS CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.archildrens.org [netcraft.com]

GILBANE: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gilbaneco.com [netcraft.com]

ERNST & YOUNG: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ey.com [netcraft.com]

SRCTech: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.srcinc.com [netcraft.com]

CARMAX: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.carmax.com [netcraft.com]

KIMPTON HOTELS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kimptonhotels.com [netcraft.com]

BRIGHT HORIZONS: Runs their domain on Windows/IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.brighthorizons.com [netcraft.com]

KPMG: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.us.kpmg.com [netcraft.com]

MERIDIAN HEALTH: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.meridianhealth.com [netcraft.com]

CH2M HILL: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ch2mhill.com [netcraft.com]

EVERETT CLINIC: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.everettclinic.com [netcraft.com]

MORNINGSTAR: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=corporate.morningstar.com [netcraft.com]

DARDEN RESTAURANTS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.darden.com [netcraft.com]

CERN: Runs their website on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cern.ch [netcraft.com]

GOULDS PUMPS: (former Fortune 500 I worked for) Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gouldspumps.com [netcraft.com]

AXA FINANCIAL: (former company I worked for) Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.axa.com [netcraft.com]

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20++ UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT - STATES USING WINDOWS:

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STATE OF CALIFORNIA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ca.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pa.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF TEXAS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.texas.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF CONNECTICUT: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ct.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF ALASKA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.alaska.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF FLORIDA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.florida.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF ILLINOIS: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.illinois.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF KENTUCKY: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kentucky.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF MARYLAND: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.maryland.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF MONTANA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.montana.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF NEVADA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.nevada.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF NEW MEXICO: Runs their domain on Windows/IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.newmexico.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ncgov.com [netcraft.com]

STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sc.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF OHIO: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ohio.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sd.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WASHINGTON: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=washington.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WEST VIRGINIA: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wv.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WISCONSIN: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wisconsin.gov [netcraft.com]

STATE OF WYOMING: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wyoming.gov [netcraft.com]

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90++ TOP RANKED UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/ [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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Baylor University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.baylor.edu [netcraft.com]

Texas Tech University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ttu.edu [netcraft.com]

Temple University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.temple.edu [netcraft.com]

Drexel University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=drexel.edu [netcraft.com]

Pace University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pace.edu [netcraft.com]

Southern Methodist University (SMU): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.smu.edu [netcraft.com]

Colorado State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.colostate.edu [netcraft.com]

Washington University in St. Louis: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wustl.edu [netcraft.com]

Hofstra University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.hofstra.edu [netcraft.com]

DePaul University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.depaul.edu [netcraft.com]

Texas A&M University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tamuk.edu [netcraft.com]

Clarkson University: -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.clarkson.edu [netcraft.com]

Fordham University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.fordham.edu [netcraft.com]

Texas Christian University (TCU): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tcu.edu [netcraft.com]

Florida A&M University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.famu.edu [netcraft.com]

St.John Fisher University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sjfc.edu [netcraft.com]

St.John's University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stjohns.edu [netcraft.com]

Kent State University of Ohio: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kent.edu [netcraft.com]

Ball State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=cms.bsu.edu [netcraft.com]

Jackson State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.jsums.edu [netcraft.com]

North Dakota State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ndus.edu [netcraft.com]

South Carolina State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=scsu.edu [netcraft.com]

Northern Illinois University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.niu.edu [netcraft.com]

South Dakota State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=sdstate.edu [netcraft.com]

Michigan University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cmich.edu [netcraft.com]

Indiana State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.indstate.edu [netcraft.com]

Indiana University of Pennsylvania: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.iup.edu [netcraft.com]

Texas Southern University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tsu.edu [netcraft.com]

Northern Arizona University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=nau.edu [netcraft.com]

Tennessee State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tnstate.edu [netcraft.com]

East Tennessee State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.etsu.edu [netcraft.com]

Oakland University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.oakland.edu [netcraft.com]

SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.esf.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Southern California (USC): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.usc.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Pittsburg (Pitt): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=pitt.edu [netcraft.com]

University of California (UCLA): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ucsc.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Massachusetts (UMASS): Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=uml.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Texas @ El Paso: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utep.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Texas @ San Antonio: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utsa.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Tulsa: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utulsa.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Ohio: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ohio.edu [netcraft.com]

University of North Carolina @ Charlotte: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uncc.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Colorado @ Denver: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ucdenver.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Wyoming: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uwyo.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Cincinnati: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uc.edu [netcraft.com]

University of South Florida: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.usf.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Nevada @ Reno: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unr.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Idaho: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uidaho.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Missouri - Kansas City: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.umkc.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Montana: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.umt.edu [netcraft.com]

University of New Orleans: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uno.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Northern Colorado: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unco.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Toledo: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.utoledo.edu [netcraft.com]

University of the Pacific: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pacific.edu [netcraft.com]

University of St. Thomas: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stthomas.edu [netcraft.com]

University of San Francisco: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.usfca.edu [netcraft.com]

Colorado Tech University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.coloradotech.edu [netcraft.com]

Wichita State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wichita.edu [netcraft.com]

Wilmington University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=wilmu.edu [netcraft.com]

Widener University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.widener.edu [netcraft.com]

Catholic University of America: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cua.edu [netcraft.com]

Clark University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.clarku.edu [netcraft.com]

Lynn University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lynn.edu [netcraft.com]

Morgan State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.morgan.edu [netcraft.com]

Spalding University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=spalding.edu [netcraft.com]

Biola University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.biola.edu [netcraft.com]

Edgewood College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=edgewood.edu [netcraft.com]

Immaculata University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.immaculata.edu [netcraft.com]

American University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.american.edu [netcraft.com]

Pepperdine University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pepperdine.edu [netcraft.com]

Barry University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.barry.edu [netcraft.com]

Benedictine University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ben.edu [netcraft.com]

Cardinal Stritch University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stritch.edu [netcraft.com]

Bowie State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bowiestate.edu [netcraft.com]

Texas Women's University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=twu.edu [netcraft.com]

Our Lady of the Lake University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ollusa.edu [netcraft.com]

Clark Atlanta University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cau.edu [netcraft.com]

Trinity International University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tiu.edu [netcraft.com]

Trevecca University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.trevecca.edu [netcraft.com]

Alliant International University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.alliant.edu [netcraft.com]

California Institute of Integral Studies: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ciis.edu [netcraft.com]

Capella University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.capella.edu [netcraft.com]

National-Louis University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.nl.edu [netcraft.com]

North Central University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ncu.edu [netcraft.com]

Trident University International: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.trident.edu [netcraft.com]

Union InstituUNILEVER/b/b Runs their domain on Windows - http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.clarku.edu [netcraft.com]

te and University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.myunion.edu [netcraft.com]

Walden University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.waldenu.edu [netcraft.com]

New School NYU: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.newschool.edu [netcraft.com]

Yeshiva University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.yu.edu [netcraft.com]

(90 of the 200 "top 50" run Windows for their domain)

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TOP 50/200++ RANKED NORTHERN REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-colleges-north [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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LeMoyne College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lemoyne.edu [netcraft.com]

Loyola University Maryland: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.loyola.edu [netcraft.com]

Providence College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.providence.edu [netcraft.com]

Alfred University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=alfred.edu [netcraft.com]

Canisius College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.canisius.edu [netcraft.com]

Bentley University: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bentley.edu [netcraft.com]

Scranton University: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.scranton.edu [netcraft.com]

Quinnipiac University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.quinnipiac.edu [netcraft.com]

Emerson College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.emerson.edu [netcraft.com]

Mount St. Mary's University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.msmary.edu [netcraft.com]

Hood College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.hood.edu [netcraft.com]

Nazareth College: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.naz.edu [netcraft.com]

Iona College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.iona.edu [netcraft.com]

SUNY - New Paltz: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.newpaltz.edu [netcraft.com]

Notre Dame of Maryland University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ndm.edu [netcraft.com]

St. Bonaventure University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sbu.edu [netcraft.com]

Arcadia University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.arcadia.edu [netcraft.com]

Assumption College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.assumption.edu [netcraft.com]

Salve Regina University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.salve.edu [netcraft.com]

College of St. Rose: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.strose.edu [netcraft.com]

Kings College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.kings.edu [netcraft.com]

Monmouth College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.monmouth.edu [netcraft.com]

Sacred Heart University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sacredheart.edu [netcraft.com]

Salisbury University: Runs their domain on IIS -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.salisbury.edu [netcraft.com]

SUNY College - Oneonta: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.oneonta.edu [netcraft.com]

Manhattanville College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.mville.edu [netcraft.com]

Roger Williams University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rwu.edu [netcraft.com]

Saint Francis University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.francis.edu [netcraft.com]

Mercyhurst College: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.mercyhurst.edu [netcraft.com]

Towson University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=towson.edu [netcraft.com]

Gannon University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gannon.edu [netcraft.com]

(32 of the "top 50" run Windows for their domain)

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TOP 50/200++ RANKED

Part #2 of 2: Windows on Servers... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306055)

Continued list from -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3110069&cid=41305947 [slashdot.org]

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TOP 50/200++ RANKED SOUTHERN REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-colleges-north [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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The Citadel: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.citadel.edu [netcraft.com]

Mercer University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=mercer.edu [netcraft.com]

Marymount University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.marymount.edu [netcraft.com]

University of North Carolina - Wilmington: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=uncw.edu [netcraft.com]

Elon University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.elon.edu [netcraft.com]

Samford University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.samford.edu [netcraft.com]

Belmont University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.belmont.edu [netcraft.com]

Bellarmine University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bellarmine.edu [netcraft.com]

Union University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uu.edu [netcraft.com]

Converse College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.converse.edu [netcraft.com]

Spring Hill College: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.shc.edu [netcraft.com]

Lipscomb University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lipscomb.edu [netcraft.com]

Harding University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.harding.edu [netcraft.com]

Queens University of Charlotte: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.queens.edu [netcraft.com]

Winthrop University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.winthrop.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Tampa: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ut.edu [netcraft.com]

Murray State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.murraystate.edu [netcraft.com]

Christopher Newport University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cnu.edu [netcraft.com]

Shenandoah University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.su.edu [netcraft.com]

Campbell University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.campbell.edu [netcraft.com]

Brenau University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.brenau.edu [netcraft.com]

Longwood University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.longwood.edu [netcraft.com]

Lynchburg College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lynchburg.edu [netcraft.com]

Mary Baldwin College: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.mbc.edu [netcraft.com]

Western Carolina University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=wcu.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Montevallo: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.montevallo.edu [netcraft.com]

Freed-Hardeman University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.fhu.edu [netcraft.com]

Marshall University: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.marshall.edu [netcraft.com]

Tennessee Technological University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.tntech.edu [netcraft.com]

Wingate University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.wingate.edu [netcraft.com]

Jacksonville University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=ju.edu [netcraft.com]

University of North Florida: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unf.edu [netcraft.com]

(32 of the "top 50" run Windows for their domain)

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TOP 50/200++ RANKED MIDWEST REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-colleges-north [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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Butler University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.butler.edu [netcraft.com]

Xavier University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.xavier.edu [netcraft.com]

John Carroll University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.jcu.edu [netcraft.com]

Truman State University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.truman.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Evansville: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.evansville.edu [netcraft.com]

Drury University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=drury.edu [netcraft.com]

Baldwin-Wallace College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bw.edu [netcraft.com]

Otterbein University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=otterbein.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Wisconsin - La Crosse: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uwlax.edu [netcraft.com]

Dominican University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.dom.edu [netcraft.com]

Rockhurst University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rockhurst.edu [netcraft.com]

Indiana Wesleyan University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.indwes.edu [netcraft.com]

Baker University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.bakeru.edu [netcraft.com]

College of St. Scholastica: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.css.edu [netcraft.com]

Capital University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.capital.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Illinois - Springfield: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uis.edu [netcraft.com]

Franciscan University of Steubenville: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.franciscan.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uwec.edu [netcraft.com]

St. Xavier University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sxu.edu [netcraft.com]

St. Ambrose University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.sau.edu [netcraft.com]

Carroll University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.carrollu.edu [netcraft.com]

Concordia University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.cune.edu [netcraft.com]

Lewis University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=lewisu.edu [netcraft.com]

Lawrence Technological University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.ltu.edu [netcraft.com]

McKendree University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.mckendree.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Nebraska - Kearney: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.unk.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Wisconsin - Stevens Point: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uwsp.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Wisconsin - Whitewater: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.uww.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Detroit (mercy): Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.udmercy.edu [netcraft.com]

( 29 of the "top 50" run Windows for their domain)

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TOP 50/200++ RANKED WEST REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES USING Windows (from -> http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-colleges-north [rankingsandreviews.com] )

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Trinity University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=web.trinity.edu [netcraft.com]

Gonzaga University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.gonzaga.edu [netcraft.com]

Loyola Marymount University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.lmu.edu [netcraft.com]

Seattle University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.seattleu.edu [netcraft.com]

Chapman University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=chapman.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Portland: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.up.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Redlands: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.redlands.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Dallas: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.udallas.edu [netcraft.com]

Point Loma Nazarene University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.pointloma.edu [netcraft.com]

Seattle Pacific University: Runs their domain on IIS (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.spu.edu [netcraft.com]

St. John's College: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stjohnscollege.edu [netcraft.com]

Westminster College: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.westminster.edu [netcraft.com]

Mount St. Mary's College: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.msmc.edu [netcraft.com]

Oklahoma City University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.okcu.edu [netcraft.com]

University of St. Thomas - Houston: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.stthom.edu [netcraft.com]

Evergreen State College: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.evergreen.edu [netcraft.com]

Regis University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=regis.edu [netcraft.com]

California State University - Fullerton: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=fullerton.edu [netcraft.com]

Hardin-Simmons University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.hsutx.edu [netcraft.com]

California Baptist University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.calbaptist.edu [netcraft.com]

Oklahoma Christian University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.oc.edu [netcraft.com]

Dallas Baptist University: Runs their domain on Windows -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=dbu.edu [netcraft.com]

Texas Wesleyan University: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.txwes.edu [netcraft.com]

University of Mary Hardin-Baylor: Runs their domain on Windows (mix) -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.umhb.edu [netcraft.com]

( 25 of the "top 50" run Windows for their domain)

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* Want more? There's tons... & OVER 1/2 OF THE "TOP 100 FORTUNE 100/500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" ABOVE USE WINDOWS, over Linux (or, other solutions)

(It's easy enough to produce them because of Windows overall marketshare/mindshare being 85-94++% to 1.29% for Linux for example (& MacOS X taking up the rest) on Servers + PC's combined, worldwide... see here -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 [netmarketshare.com] )

How about "Linux 'fine security'" (lol, NOT) in 2011 too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2604500&cid=38596430 [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> Each of those are HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE COMPANIES using Windows Server setups for MANY YEARS, successfully...

Linux gets MOSTLY used @ smallfry sites because they can't afford higher quality Windows stuff like big companies above obviously can! There's more smallfries out there, thus, Open "SORES" tries to "claim that as a victory" (lol, not). it's illusory b.s. typical /. FUD!

(Funniest part is, that despite being FREE, linux defied business logic & couldn't get more than 1.29% of the desktop PC market even when GIVEN AWAY, lol -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 [netmarketshare.com] )

... apk

Re:You sell for the market. (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41305015)

It is 2012 everyone is using some kind of virtualization. Linux servers are as such free. They are just another vm your fire up, and the biggest savings are not having to hassle with licensing.

But why write applications for desktop Linux ... (3, Insightful)

Tim Ward (514198) | about 2 years ago | (#41304979)

... when you have children to feed and a mortgage to pay ... ... and the users expect all their software to be free?

Better off spending one's time addressing a market where people expect to have to pay for stuff, no?

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41305033)

What linux users expect all software to be free?

I guess I did not pay for all these steam games.

Where did you get that idea?

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (3, Interesting)

raymorris (2726007) | about 2 years ago | (#41305275)

In fifteen years, I've purchased ONE application. It wasn't very good and since it wasn't open source I couldn't fix it. So I guess I'm one who expects all my software to be "free". (I contribute code, bug reports, etc., not cash) Funny thing is, I make a living mainly by SELLING software for Linux, but I never BUY software.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about 2 years ago | (#41305047)

Lead the way with software people expect to pay for. Get solid tax software on linux, and they will come? If TurboTax won't migrate to Linux, then a competitor must arise...

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41305231)

Isn't TurboTax all on the website now?

I know I paid to use it last year.

More software a linux user paid for!!! SHOCKING NEWS!!!

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (2)

chipschap (1444407) | about 2 years ago | (#41305329)

Isn't TurboTax all on the website now?

I know I paid to use it last year.

More software a linux user paid for!!! SHOCKING NEWS!!!

I'm a die-hard Linuxer and I also pay to use TurboTax online. I doubt if I'd buy the Windoze edition to run at home but running in my browser is just fine and there is the presumed added advantage that the on-line edition is up to date.

The quoted poster's implication is correct. Linuxers don't want everything for free; I pay for lots of value-added services, such as the aforementioned TurboTax, membership on a chess site, etc. I'm even going to BUY--- that's right, I said BUY--- the Linux edition of Scrivener when it comes out of beta.

That said, I do enjoy and benefit from the many free options I have such as LibreOffice, TaskJuggler, etc. etc.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305317)

Yeah, I'd like to see you make a "solid tax software" in a shop that doesn't have the resources that Intuit has.
 
You have no idea how insane the task is that you're talking about.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305657)

I don't know why I even have to buy tax software. The government, local and Federal, author the tax code. Why isn't this just a government website? It doesn't have to be fancy. Put the damned 1040 online. Personally, I think that most people don't use half of the so-called features of tax software and would be glad to use the government stuff. Tax software, and the tax code for that matter, is simply a way to line the pockets of big business.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | about 2 years ago | (#41305255)

Ah, Slashdot. You've entered a new age when anti-FOSS/anti-Linux trolling is marked as "Insightful."

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41305295)

Yeah, we really need a new old slashdot.

Oh well, all good things ....

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

Tim Ward (514198) | about 2 years ago | (#41305637)

Thought this one was worth a try :-)

I do sometimes get things right.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (2)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41305495)

I can think of 5 reason why (in no particular order):
1) Your company pays you to write software for linux
2) You have fun writing application for linux and do it part time (everyone needs a hobby, right?)
3) The software is good enough, that people donate money to help you work full time on it.
4) You sell support (or special edition cds or whatever) for your software, but your software is free.
5) You sell a commercial version of your software, that has additional components that are not included in your free version.

I am surprised you been on slashdot for so long, and still did not understand this.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

Tim Ward (514198) | about 2 years ago | (#41305617)

(1) Well, people have certainly paid me to write software that runs on Linux, but it's always been proprietary stuff that runs on servers in turnkey systems and suchlike (in fact I'm doing one such project right now), never shrink-wrap desktop stuff for sale to end users.

(2) Erm ... I'm afraid that my hobby is flying little aeroplanes ... and my other hobby, being an elected politician, is even more expensive.

(3) Don't have sufficient marketing skills and expertise, in that I can make more money by writing C++ for Windows and being paid by the hour.

(4) I really hate that business model, where you can download the source code for something for free, but the only way to find out whether it will do the job you want or not is to pay a consultant hundreds of dollars to tell you, ie to answer your pre-sales enquiries (or spend thousands of dollars worth of your own time trying it out) ... I much prefer the alternative, where the pre-sales support is free (eg there are decent specs and other documentation) but the software costs a few tens of dollars.

(5) I realise that that does work for some people ... but it can't be that easy to get it right. I think I have never paid the extra for any such software (or service). If the free version is too crap to be useful, how can you trust that company with your money, as your only experience of them is that they produce crap software? On the other hand if the free version is wonderful there's no need to pay for the extras.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41305877)

1) It depends on the company. Many companies understand the open source community and do fund stuff that help them market some of their other products.

2) After the initial ground work by one developer (or a small set of developers), the hobby developers can and do make an impact. By hobby I mean something like one hour a month, by hundreds (in some projects thousands) of developers (some of them would have worked on similar problems before and are really experts in them). You can contribute if you want to too, there are open source project that help RC enthusiasts (if you interested in UAVs, there are projects that help you build one too, you could contribute there if you are interested in)

3) Depends on the idea and how much scope you see for it.

4) I am not really familiar with this area, but if the software is truly open source, I assume there would competitors who can provide support at a much competitive rate.

5) Very often the commercial version, provides you immunity from being sued for patent violation, and provides components that make things much more efficient or cutting edge. I have never seen this model work when the free version is crap.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41307967)

I forgot to add, the 3rd option, donations, is becoming more and more popular with kickstarter (remember how dispora got $200,000). If you have an real idea that people would find useful. Linux, free-as-in-beer, and donation depend is not a bad model at all. You can find a number of such tools getting funded on kickstarter.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (2, Insightful)

Alef (605149) | about 2 years ago | (#41305697)

and the users expect all their software to be free?

Interesting contradictory fact. [humblebundle.com] Scroll down and look at the payment statistics. Linux users evidently pay about twice as much as Windows users when given the choice. I have bought two bundles before, and both times the pattern was the same as with the latest bundle.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

10101001 10101001 (732688) | about 2 years ago | (#41306249)

TINSSAAFL. If you try to write applications for desktop Linux, you'll find the same problem as desktop Windows: the main vendor(s) will try to subsume the need for any other vendors for any of the mainstream software. This is a natural consequence of trying to lure in more people to use the software by offering more value added. It's only really by stepping outside that into a more niche market where you have a chance of being able to write and sell applications on the desktop. On the other hand, the Mac market is quite different. It lacks the mainstream dominance and funding of Windows and it lacks the OSS, write-once-use-in-any-distro of Linux. So, there's more room for more general applications.

In the end, though, you have to first ask yourself, "if I were a potential customer, would I want to buy my application and why?" More often than not a lot of people just have no interest in your application in the first place. And the rest remaining either don't see enough value in what you offer compared to the alternatives--freeware or OSS software or even other commercial offerings--or they do see the value and do buy your software. Sure, there's more of a mindset in the Linux world of "if I can't find a free alternative now, if I wait a while I'm sure a free one will appear". But for people who have used Linux for years? We'd love to have some decent applications to feel the gaps where OSS fails, either in not producing applications at all or doing them badly.

Sure, there's a risk that it'll be a big failure to try to target the Linux community--especially if you focus on just them--, but then every such venture is a risk. It's not like most Windows developers hit it off big either, and it has nothing to do with freeware Windows software or piracy; it's just that people aren't interested in what you offer at the price you ask--and possibly not at any price. Your best bet would be to support Linux users in addition to Windows and Mac users, anyways, presuming that the added cost is reasonably low; and developing for QT should make it relatively easy, usually.

In short, I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by blaming potential customers.

Re:But why write applications for desktop Linux .. (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | about 2 years ago | (#41306435)

... when you have children to feed and a mortgage to pay ... ... and the users expect all their software to be free?

Better off spending one's time addressing a market where people expect to have to pay for stuff, no?

I bought the Linux Edition of Corel WordPerfect 8 a while back. No, I don't expect everything to be free. But companies also have to make the effort to support Linux. Soon it will be required if they want to keep certain market segments as Microsoft is destroying itself.

uYou Fail It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305037)

you get distracted future. The hand the project is in same worthles5 to any BSD project,

Free isn't free in business-unless you're stealing (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305039)

Linux is like water. Water is free and abundant, but the only way a business is going to make money off water is
a. take the good stuff (mt spring for example) for yourself and sell it (e.g. Evian)
b. give "free" water such a bad rap that yours is better (e.g. pollute the crap out of free water). But then sell basic tap water with good marketing (e.g. Dansi, Dannon, Arrowhead, etc...)

So a company like Microsoft can:
a. provide a niche OS, e.g. one that plays mpeg-4 AVC more efficiently... cause they OWN the IP (aka mpeg forum)
b. show how Linux sucks.

Bonus: Guess where Apple fits in this picture (think b., but adds favor to their water, e.g. Vitamin Water).

Each platform has it's drawbacks (0, Troll)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#41305159)

Face it, if you don't run windows, you'll never, never, never ever have 100% office compatibility. Never. Microsoft wins here as well as being the De-Facto gaming platform. Yeah, yeah I know, Steam is coming to Linux... and Metro is brainded.. we'll see.

Apple has it's own gated-community take on everything from music to desktop. You drink one cup of kool-aid and do everything Apple's way, or leave. You don't need Windows. You don't need office. You don't even need to think for yourself. If you have a problem pay, pay, pay. The Apple store loves you.

Linux sounds great when you first hear about it. You hear about rock solid stability, No Internet Explorer. All the people who you think know more than you are running it. So, you go to buy it, but can't find it. You find out you have to download it. You go to download it and there are 1700+ different options. You ask a question on IRC "which distro should I download" and someone replies "Here!" and you find out about goatse and spend the rest of the weekend trying to wash your eyes out.

Dekstop or ISV, the real issue here is that there isn't a perfect solution. They all have their share of problems.

Re:Each platform has it's drawbacks (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305677)

Face it, if you don't run windows, you'll never, never, never ever have 100% office compatibility. Never. .

If you run Microsoft Office you've never had 100% Office compatibility. Open a docx document with Office 2003. You can look at it ( with a helper program), but you can't edit it unless you save it as a .doc document.

Re:Each platform has it's drawbacks (1)

Burz (138833) | about 2 years ago | (#41306693)

First off, Windows and Apple ecosystems are quite similar. The main exceptions are that 1) OS X has significant chunks that are FOSS, 2) OS X has to run on Apple hardware as opposed to the effort that Microsoft and OEMs make to ensure they are compatible/well integrated, and 3) Windows is encrusted with money-making schemes (even ISPs and breakfast cereals are in on it) whereas Apple shuns the crapware ecosystem entirely.

Other than that, both commercial platforms try to provide a familiar (feature-stable), powerful (vertically-integrated) and rich environment where app developer and consumer interests meet.

Desktop Linux doesn't have this goal at all and the result is that the wannabe-platform (I am restricting my comments to the desktop PC context) is too chaotic to inspire people to learn app development and to stick with their endeavors in that environment. Yes, we have seen a few examples of ISVs who tried to cut through the chaos to deliver really interesting apps but they had to restrict themselves to limited functionality to achieve wider compatibility among different distros.

Furthermore, if I'm selling and doing tech support for an app or a service (like an ISP) on Linux desktops, then how do I tell users to navigate their system and change system settings and peferences? For my purposes, Desktop Linux is virtually formless and un-navigable.

Hardware has something to do with it, of course: Apple automatically supports built-in features of its computers, and MS makes an effort to work with OEMs (although the result isn't as good or smooth as with Macs). Then there is peripheral hardware -- Here both Apple and Microsoft have programs that let mfgs reach for compatibility in a systematic way and then license a trademark symbol they can put on their product packaging to assure the consumer that a peripheral works with OS X or Windows.

Just stop!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305169)

The year of the Linux desktop was 1993 for me.

I don't want things dumbed down so point and grunt users that windows 8 is targeting will flock to GNU/Linux and make Linux "successful".

Just quit with the linux desktop troll stories. Yeah, a couple commercial Linux companies would love to get those users paying them, but for the community-- who the fuck cares?!

Think of the Internet (usenet etc.) before the stupid AOL users came along. Now think of what a bunch of stupid windows users will do to GNU/Linux. No thanks.

Re:Just stop!!! (2)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about 2 years ago | (#41305217)

The internet before those hordes was the internet without wikipedia.

There are immense benefits to growing your community.

Re:Just stop!!! (1)

chipschap (1444407) | about 2 years ago | (#41305431)

The internet before those hordes was the internet without wikipedia.

There are immense benefits to growing your community.

Again, even as a die-hard Linuxer, I have to recognize the advantages of a larger Linux community. But I do not pretend that Linux is going to be a dominant force in the foreseeable future, if ever.

Still, I'm OK with that. As long as there are enough knowledgeable users--- and the growth of Linux since the very early days makes me believe that's not a problem--- Linux will be around. It's a fact that I can do more today with Linux than I ever could before. Of course, if I have a problem I troubleshoot it myself, aided by the knowledgebase accumulated by other Linuxers. I don't think or expect that everyone (i.e. "Joe User") would do the same.

But guess what: "Joe User" doesn't troubleshoot his own Windows issues, either.

Re:Just stop!!! (1)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about 2 years ago | (#41305635)

I agree with that. But the linux community has grown considerably (the computer market has grown, and the proportion of linux users has grown slightly). This has brought benefits in the form of more focus on usability and esthetics.

I mean, I like the command line, but there is something to be said about a good file manager with does previews. I think that the evolutions in desktop linux we are seeing are a consequence of the growth in the community. Some of which is not so good (I'm looking at you, GNOME and unity), and some of which is better (yay better openoffice, yay firefox, yay KDE four point whichever version you feel stopped sucking).

So it is a worthwile goal that we all benefit from to grow the community.

It is not SuSE anymore (0)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#41305281)

Since several years it is called SUSE.
It started as S.u.S.E., then became SuSE and then SUSE.

I understand that it is very hard to get right, but Editors: please try to edit and correct errors.

Ow hell, who am I kidding. These editors have no understanding what an editor is or does.

Re:It is not SuSE anymore (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305541)

Since several years it is called SUSE.
It started as S.u.S.E., then became SuSE and then SUSE.

I understand that it is very hard to get right, but Editors: please try to edit and correct errors.

Ow hell, who am I kidding. These editors have no understanding what an editor is or does.

Since 2006 I've just called it "Microsoft Linux".

Re:It is not SuSE anymore (1)

Cormacus (976625) | about 2 years ago | (#41305639)

%s/[sS][^ ]*[uU][^ ]*[sS][^ ]*[eE]/SUSE/g

Re:It is not SuSE anymore (2)

manwal (648106) | about 2 years ago | (#41307751)

%s/[sS][^ ]*[uU][^ ]*[sS][^ ]*[eE]/SUSE/g

It actually turns "superuser" into "SUSEr". I am thrilled!

alternate OS (0)

danielpauldavis (1142767) | about 2 years ago | (#41305287)

The real "At-The-End-Of-The-Day" is does the thing even install onto a drive easily? Or must one know the secret code, hidden file, magic mumbo jumbo to make it actually work? Windows is popular because it's USABLE. When these other OS are as usable as Windows, they'll begin replacing it.

Re:alternate OS (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305511)

I'm not ganna say Linux doesn't have problems, but it installs at least as easily as Windows.

Re:alternate OS (2)

Urza9814 (883915) | about 2 years ago | (#41305597)

Unlike Windows, when I install a fresh copy of Linux on my laptop, all the hardware works out of the box. Shit, I can't even get internet out of the box on Windows without using an OEM-supplied disk that already has drivers pre-loaded...

Windows isn't more usable than Linux -- OEMs MAKE Windows more usable than Linux. Would you expect Windows to be easy if you bought a computer from Apple and a regular Windows install disk from, say, Amazon.com? And even with these massive advantages, I've still always found Linux to be easier to get working from a fresh install than Windows...

Re:alternate OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306719)

Lucky you. I haven't been able to get my software to work since sarge.

Re:alternate OS (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#41307459)

"Would you expect Windows to be easy if you bought a computer from Apple and a regular Windows install disk from, say, Amazon.com? "

Actually, I just did that. I got a regular old copy of Window 7, put it in the drive of my old 2006 1.66Ghz core Duo Mac Mini and it installed without a problem. It recognized the Wifi, Intel graphics, bluetooth, Firewire, Gigabit ethernet and kne it was a MacMini1.2 manufactured by Apple. No drivers were necessary.

Chicken Sh*t (-1, Flamebait)

Delifisek (190943) | about 2 years ago | (#41305289)

I'm getting sick of those fools.

Guys you are failed big.

I wish to both KDE and GNOME burn to the ground....

For 12 years I use Linux desktop (mostly KDE maybe entirely KDE).

Then last year I buy ATI 66 something. Bam. All ubuntu based distros stop to working. Try to switch another but can't find a stable solution.

Then guess what ? I find that Windows 7, more stable and more productive.

Holly sh*t. I was wrong in last 12 years. Due to my stupity I lost entire decade. Not because of the bad code but because of the f*ckin politics...

Look that android thing. I came from nothing. And capure half of the market.

Linux Desktop is dead. No matter what you wheening about, it was dead, R.I.P, nada, kaput.

Long live the Android. That thing capure entire planet with a snap...

Re:Chicken Sh*t (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305471)

Re:Chicken Sh*t (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305483)

So are you, you double spacing troll!

ABI, QA and API (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305351)

Those are the 3 biggest issues for Linux desktop. So many distributions, some a little different, some very, very different. LSB is dead. The QA nightmare is significant. As a side note, games that find their way onto Linux from Windows, often enough have a number of .so's in their install directories.

The Linux GUI desktop libs suck. GTK sucks to use and rely upon. Qt is a mess. KDE(which relies on Qt) is the stuff of flame wars... too many choices and too many of them just plain suck. Even something that should be reliable as font query is a total mess under Linux. Fontconfig is JUNK. The config file is nasty-insanity and the API just plain sucks. Nothing for merging of fonts, etc.. it sucks so bad that Qt bypasses FontConfig, it only uses it to get a list of all fonts installed. Makes you wonder you know.

Linux desktop sound is painful. Atleast we are mostly past the growing pains of PulseAudio, but I cannot name any applications for money that write for PA, 99% time it's SDL dude.. which has a suck ass audio API. OpenAL is better, but lets not forget that OpenAL can be configured to pipe to SDL, PA, whatever. This happens often enough: OpenAL --> SDL --> PA.

Reliability of GL is another issue. Not so long ago, it basically was NVIDIA or bust, that is no longer true.. but with so many distros making Nouveau the default, what a failure. Comparing the closed source GL implementations from NVIDIA and AMD to the open source ones is shooting fish in a barrel, with a canon. In contrast, even the crapiest GPUs, i.e. Intel GPUs, have okay-ish DirectX drivers.... Mesa's infrastructure has a long ways to go before it can support all the features of OpenGL _3_ which is like a million years old. So yeh, open source GL implementations have so many cards stacked against them. The Linux DRM for the graphics stack is a bad joke.

Ironically, making games is more insulated from most of this crap except for the GL pain (and to a lesser extent the sound pain)... but when Steam comes to Linux, I'd bet they will simply say "Dude we only supporting Ubuntu"... not too sure what they will say on the GL drivers though.. but their Source engine is DX9 really which is OpenGL 2. Though I shudder to think what will happen when there are distros with X11 and distros with Wayland out at the same time... that will be ugly. If anyone says Wayland can exist with X11 (or even essentially rely upon it) you have no idea the nightmare waiting about GL in that situation is.

It is not that Linux is bad commercially (Android demonstrates it can be great), it is that Linux desktop for consumer is a fail-train.

Re:ABI, QA and API (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306397)

Comparing the closed source GL implementations from NVIDIA and AMD to the open source ones is shooting fish in a barrel, with a canon.

It's true that there are some very powerful companies whose business models depend on the failure of free software.

The Future: Pay a premium for free software (3, Insightful)

Yfrwlf (998822) | about 2 years ago | (#41305817)

Artificial scarcity. It is the backbone of the American economy as well as many other corporatist nations. Since you can't make money off free stuff, stores won't carry it. Even when selling hardware, if they can make more money selling restricted software along with it, they will. Before if you got a discount from buying a pre-built computer with crapware on it, at least you could wipe it all and install whatever you wanted. Now with “secure boot”, they can push control onto the software level and control the entire software stack if the wanted to. Don't like that Windows 8 Crapware Edition on there? Too bad, you're stuck with it, and the Crapware Edition won't allow you to remove the crapware on it either, plus it comes with adware and spyware (when you purchased this computer, you automatically opted-in to provide us with “information for marketing purposes”) pre-loaded which you also can't remove. I can also see this entire system pushing out build-it-yourself computers since the pre-built one offers more money. Even if some semblance of DIY hardware is still available, at the very least the pre-built systems will ultimately cost less because the hardware vendors will get a cut of the marketing and data mining profits.

I just figured I would share the future in advance with everyone so that the reality would set in sooner: Start supporting vendors which sell pre-built computers that aren't locked down as well as standardized DIY hardware. Also, start supporting home fabrication projects which will soon be able to create primitive computers, because ultimately unregulated capitalism will always find some way to fuck you otherwise. DIY hardware is already horribly unstandardized and consumer-raping. If you live in a country which is regulated so you feel you don't have to worry - just wait, you will. There is meaning behind the saying with the roots and the evil. No, not the recipe for making evil root beer.

I'm surprised no one is mentioning Chrome OS (4, Insightful)

tlambert (566799) | about 2 years ago | (#41305841)

Linux desktop, with browser, backed by web applications.

Five OEM systems and counting.

Interfaces and distributed packaging (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41305897)

What would really help would be having a standard for defining interfaces, and a way for packages to be dependant on these interfaces that could be downloaded from the provider url.
This would help
a) having consistent and solid abi compatibility
b) easing the burden of making test suites
c) devoping documentation

Stop bashing linux and Open Source coders (1)

Vince6791 (2639183) | about 2 years ago | (#41306199)

Why is it that Open Source programmers are called hackers and every program like LibreOffice or eclipse is coded with hacks? I mean that's pretty damn insulting. I think all contributors to the Linux kernal or the open source software are professional programmers. I have used LibreOffice, eclipse, Kaffeine, vlc, bluefish, inkscape, gimp, blender, mame, mame32, dolphin emulator, pcsx, pcsx2, code::blocks, etc.. and these programs majority of the time run excellent maybe there are a few bugs here and there but no software is 100% perfect. Look at Microsoft's shitty OS buggy history.

And Microsoft has so called professional engineers and programmers with harvard degrees and yet they came up with buggy and crash prone shit like windows 3.0, windows 95, windows 98, windows Me, windows 2000, windows xp, windows vista, office 2000, office xp, office 2003, all these had major issues which i experienced at home and at work, talk about bugs. Windows xp sp3 did have horrible performance issues and also crashed when I loaded certain programs or transferred large files from drive to drive. Even with windows 7 I had to change in the bios ide compatibility mode to ahci so i would stop the damn freezing in windows 7 but with ubuntu in both ide and ahci no freezing on the same machine. And look at adobe products like photoshop which is still so damn fucking buggy and if you push it to hard it will crash.

There are tons of windows professional applications that are full of bugs and crash prone so stop bashing linux distros for being buggy or that it is written by hackers. I'm stuck with windows for now because of visual basic 6, visual studio 2010, netflix, some games and I mean cod4 modern warfare, and that's it.

I call for a boycott of "linux desktop" posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306265)

I, anonymous coward, who provides the majority of comments on slashdot, do hereby swear I shall not comment on another post regarding the linux desktop until 2013, and after than, no more than one a month.

Seriously folks, if we just stop commenting, they'll stop running the damn things, since the comments are pretty much the only thing anyone comes to this site for anyway

mod up if you agree and want others to participate

Can we have desktop Linux with crapware? (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#41306307)

Srsly. That would invalidate the cost/margin argument.
If you don't want crapware, download an ISO and reinstall, just like you can with Win7.

Re:Can we have desktop Linux with crapware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306637)

Yes, there is a lot of OSS crap available! And if the OSS crap isn't crappy enough, you can get the source and fix it to suit your needs - its the OSS advantage in crapware!

Re:Can we have desktop Linux with crapware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306841)

GTK+ and Gnome are all the crapware desktop Linux will ever need.

Killer App? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41306519)

What's the killer app? That's what makes something desirable and compelling.

So, what can this Linux thing do that Windows can't do? What? It's free? So what, Windows is free too.(It comes "free" with the PC.)

A few years ago, there were many things that you could do with Linux that you could not do easily or at all with Windows. During that time there was a massive influx of Linux users, even if they were mostly technical types. Today, there are few if any things that Linux can do that Windows or OSX can't. In fact, there are now lots of things that Windows does insanely easily that Linux, more specifically apps available for Linux, can't do at all.

Bring out another killer app on Linux that Windows doesn't have and you will see Linux adoption spike. Think that your 0.02% market share makes you big enough to purposely screw around with the desktop, after people begged you not to and without any killer apps, and you get what the Linux Desktop is getting now.

Abandoned.

Re:Killer App? (0)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41307597)

Oh yeah, right, GNOME3 crap makes people switch to Windows. Are you a moron?

Kill all your friends, then yourself.

"ABI" (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41307581)

ABI

Another Microsoft marketing guy.

Michael Meeks (michael.meeks@novell.com)

Figures...

Ubuntu v. openSUSE .. (1)

dgharmon (2564621) | about 2 years ago | (#41307595)

Given that both have been around since at least 2004, would either of these be described as a success on the Desktop, if described a failure then why would that be also? It's also inexplicable that in that whole piece [gnome.org] , there's no mention of the litigation issues promulgated by a convicted monopolist against Open Source. Given it took me about two hour to install and fine-tune Linux on this cobbled-together-desktop, it puzzles me how you could describe the "transaction costs" as too high. Just how high can two man-hour every half-year be? I would of course test the configuration internally before shipping my tens of thousands of machines .. :)
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