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EVE Online CSM and Diplomat Killed in Libyan Consulate Attacks

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the small-world dept.

Government 680

New submitter overmoderated writes first with news of an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya. From the article: "The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad." An anonymous reader adds: "Sean Smith, a.k.a. Vile Rat, an EVE Online CSM member, and diplomat for the GoonFleet corporation, was one of the four killed in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Libya last night. He was 34. A fundraiser is being organized for his children by the Something Awful forums." Update: 09/12 21:28 GMT by U L : Ozma from Something Awful mailed in a link to the memorial thread on the SA forums (including details on the memorial fund).

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Batshit Crazy! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41313915)

'Nuff said.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (5, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 2 years ago | (#41314199)

Gotta love those "peace loving muslims" don't you?

I mean...really? You go apeshit crazy, right and kill people over a fucking film?!?!

I mean hell...the guys they murdered weren't even involved in the film.....

Re:Batshit Crazy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314353)

You go apeshit crazy, right and kill people over a fucking film?!?!

Uh, yeah... [youtube.com] You gotta problem with that??!

Re:Batshit Crazy! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314397)

We've done worse for a piece of cloth (a flag)

Re:Batshit Crazy! (-1, Flamebait)

Dan667 (564390) | about 2 years ago | (#41314413)

you realize that jews and christians are doing this same type of crap, right?

Re:Batshit Crazy! (5, Insightful)

morcego (260031) | about 2 years ago | (#41314479)

you realize that jews and christians are doing this same type of crap, right?

No, you are wrong. Jews and Christians are doing EQUIVALENT crap, not the same type. They don't kill people over a film, just over some equally absurd nonsense.

That's religion for you ...

Re:Batshit Crazy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314729)

No, the U.S. kills for resources (disguised as rebuilding the defeated enemy's infrastructure at a discount - paid in oil deals since they could never repay debts with currency). And the Zionists easily manipulates the US to fight their enemies (they have many since Zionist's operate exactly like WW2 Nazis when it comes to suppression). And with all things man-made, corruption is proliferates. Not justifying those militant Islamic fantatics' overreaction either. They are a 3rd world version of christian dominionism. Only reason we dont have christian fanatic wackos running with grenade launchers out in the open in the US, is because we have a govt. big and bad enough to effectively beat them down, as they deserve to be, if and when they get out of hand.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314827)

A theatre in Paris was firebombed [wikipedia.org] for showing The Last Temptation of Christ.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (3, Insightful)

dywolf (2673597) | about 2 years ago | (#41314487)

you realize that the atheists and politicians are doing this same type of crap, right?

Evil is evil and needs no particular reasoning to justify itself, religious, political, financial, or otherwise.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (4, Insightful)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#41314741)

you realize that the atheists and politicians are doing this same type of crap, right?

Actually, I don't. I have never seen an atheist kill anyone because of a film with Muhammad in it.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (5, Insightful)

CubicleZombie (2590497) | about 2 years ago | (#41314607)

you realize that jews and christians are doing this same type of crap, right?

You can say anything you want about Jesus and no Christian will kill you. In fact, Jesus specifically told us you would and that we should do nothing. So say anything you want about my religion. It's okay. I forgive you.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (3, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41314673)

you realize that jews and christians are doing this same type of crap, right?

You can say anything you want about Jesus and no Christian will kill you. In fact, Jesus specifically told us you would and that we should do nothing. So say anything you want about my religion. It's okay. I forgive you.

Congratulations, you at least have an idea what it means to actually be Christian (more to it than forgiving transgressors, obviously).

Sadly, very few who claim to followers of Jesus Christ are as wise to the tenements of the faith as you seem to be. Therein lies the issue.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (1)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 2 years ago | (#41314823)

They are? Dig me up a recent case where Jews *or* Christians went on a murderous rampage because a film insulted their religion. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (0, Troll)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41314859)

Jews and Christians DON"T riot, attack embassies, and kill people entirely uninvolved over a "sacrilegious" youtube video.
Jews and Christians might maybe complain in a letter to the editor or post a nasty comment. Perfect example is southpark. if they were that thin skinned the creators of south park would have died a long time ago.

These morons are killing innocent people because someone was being offensive on the INTERNET. We are just lucky that the Muslims have never discovered 4chan.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314459)

Yah, all Muslims were responsible. Just like all people from Colorado were responsible for the Aurora massacre.

I think this was done by some angry Eve Online players under the guise of a riot.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (2, Insightful)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 2 years ago | (#41314505)

Pretty much. So much for Islam being a "religion of peace." And you know what really grinds my gears? The people who trot out the old line about how this kind of atrocity is a "perversion" of Islam. It's shit all of the sort. Anyone who has actually read the Hadith will know that it's full of hundreds of exhortations to attack and kill infidels. We're not talking one little quote tucked away in the middle of a parable here, we're talking about the thing being riddled with explicit instructions to destroy infidels. These murdering mucksavages are just following orders handed down to them by their imaginary friend in the sky.

The Cold War was peace and harmony compared to this Islamic fundamentalist shit. This is fucking terrifying.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (4, Informative)

jittles (1613415) | about 2 years ago | (#41314863)

The Cold War was peace and harmony compared to this Islamic fundamentalist shit. This is fucking terrifying.

Why are you so terrified? You're not in the middle of it. And people die every day. To be afraid of death is just silly. Now I would not blame anyone for wanting to live as long as possible, but any one of us could die tomorrow of an infection from a cut, a car accident, an illness, an aneurism, or a thousand other things. You can't live your life in fear of every possible thing that could happen. Now if you're a soldier fighting against these people, then you would have to be crazy to not be scared. But all living things must die, and people need to learn to accept it, and not sacrifice all their rights, freedoms, and happiness in an ever illusory sense of safety.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (4, Insightful)

allcoolnameswheretak (1102727) | about 2 years ago | (#41314533)

Extremists feed of each other. A jewish extremist makes a film ripping on Muhammad, and islamic extremists go on rampage, thereby proving jewish extremists' point to the world, serving his propaganda purposes.

Maybe we can found a new country, Extremistan, and put them all there to kill each other while the rest of the world enjoys peace and pluralism.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (0)

jvillain (546827) | about 2 years ago | (#41314689)

Some one mod this up.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 2 years ago | (#41314553)

Gotta love those "peace loving muslims" don't you?

Be careful there. There are plenty of peace loving Muslims who are not batshit crazy. Don't condemn an entire populous because a handful of murders think they are justified through the eyes of their religion. Society gets to be a pretty cold place when you judge the intent of many based on the actions of a few.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (2)

chill (34294) | about 2 years ago | (#41314719)

Semantics are at the root of many misunderstandings. Just like many fundamentalist Christians don't know the proper definition of "theory" and ignorantly deride evolution as "just a theory", you don't understand the Islam definition of peace.

It is "the peace of Allah". That is, peace for those who submit to the will of God. For those who don't submit... that's different. If you want "peace", then submit to God's will. The word "Islam" itself translates as "submission" -- as in submission to the will of God.

Actually very similar to the bumper stickers "Know Jesus, Know Peace; No Jesus, No Peace". Except many in the Middle East take a literal approach to the interpretation.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#41314785)

Gotta love those "peace loving muslims" don't you?

I mean...really? You go apeshit crazy, right and kill people over a fucking film?!?!

I think it's quite clear what's going on here:

The film portrayed Mohammad as a fool, a philanderer and a religious fake. In one clip posted on YouTube, Mohammad was shown in an apparent sexual act with a woman.

These guys really hate documentaries!

A film that was known about in July (1)

Shivetya (243324) | about 2 years ago | (#41314803)

which shows one thing.

An excuse needing an offense on a day where the maximum amount of press could be extracted. In other words, just what any extremist or politician would do.

When your society is breaking down an outlet is required. Seeing that we are the big evil for the people who exploit the misery of their people all in the name of religion what could we expect? You have a society where your not safe so the only escape you have is to become part of the mob because it offers anonymity.

Sometimes getting rid of a dictator is a bad thing, witness Libya and Egypt. When the control is there are ample numbers of organized groups more than willing to move in. They will do so under the protection of their religion and people over there know better than to speak out. It is even easier when nearly half the population has no choice (women) and a good number of those remaining are more than happy about abusing that other half.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (4, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41314831)

I wonder if you love those "peace loving christians" when they plant bombs and shoot up a summer camp [huffingtonpost.com] . Or do you make really weak generalizations just when it comes to muslims? The reality is that the muslim terrorists are a tiny minority of the billion+ muslims in the world. To label every muslim a terrorist on par with Al-Qaeda merely does three things:
1) It legitimizes the terrorists as the only real muslims.
2) It legitimizes and fuels their calls for a culture war by calling for a culture war yourself.
3) It pisses off every muslim who just wants to get on with their lives, and turns them against you. Which, incidentally, is again what the terrorists are hoping for.

So congratulations for doing exactly what the muslim terrorists want you to do. What a good little puppet you are.

Re:Batshit Crazy! (1)

Hylandr (813770) | about 2 years ago | (#41314231)

Eve is Real...

Re:Batshit Crazy! (1)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about 2 years ago | (#41314261)

I was there

Re:Batshit Crazy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314321)

Dude.. I can haz his stuffs?

Re:Batshit Crazy! (1)

Hylandr (813770) | about 2 years ago | (#41314337)

Too Soon?

Re:Batshit Crazy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314273)

Wow. EVE Online is some serious business. Can't win in game? Assassinate in real life.

give credit where credit is due (3)

poetmatt (793785) | about 2 years ago | (#41314841)

that psycho pastor had involvement in what ended in this situation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones_(pastor) [wikipedia.org]

In September 2012 it was reported by The Atlantic that Terry Jones was involved in the promotion of a movie vilifying Islam, titled Innocence of Muslims. The movie led to protests in Egypt and Libya. In Cairo, protesters breached the wall of the U.S. Embassy and burned the flag. The U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was largely burnt and looted; killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other American citizens.[26] Jones screened the film for his followers on September 11, 2012, a day he dubbed, "International Judge Mohammad Day"

I hope this guy knows he has blood on his hands now, as batshit crazy as *he* is, he is now partially at fault. I knew he'd do something to incite violence overseas ever since his ridiculous quaran burning.

Seriously, EVE Online? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41313917)

You bring that crap into the story and make it the lead? Really?

Re:Seriously, EVE Online? (1)

CBung (1572609) | about 2 years ago | (#41313965)

So... if we remove that, the story wouldn't be here at all then right?

Re:Seriously, EVE Online? (1)

greenreaper (205818) | about 2 years ago | (#41314065)

Right. What relevance does it have as "news for nerds" otherwise?

Re:Seriously, EVE Online? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314027)

He might be known to a lot of geeks who play the game. Stop being an asshole.

Listen to what his friends say about him... (5, Insightful)

Qubit (100461) | about 2 years ago | (#41314325)

...sounds like he was pretty involved in the game.

It also sounds like he was well-loved. Choice notes from the forum thread:

  • He had some kind of horrible tattoo. A lot of people remember ribbing him for that :-)
  • Gently caress [urbandictionary.com]
  • Digital Ebola: "He died doing the job that he loved. He is missed."
  • Arkhamina: "I remember mailing him music in the Green Zone. Friends sent him a headset mic when his was broken. Hard things to find in a war zone."

And probably my favorite:

Supercar Gautier:

Many goons have died, but few goons are destined to have their deaths fiercely politicized by the American media during an election year.

Through the bullshit media circus, we will know "That was Vilerat, and he was actually way awesome."

vr (5, Insightful)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about 2 years ago | (#41313937)

rip vile rat.

Re:vr (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314049)

Why the hell was this modded flamebait? Its the dude's eve character name!

Re:vr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314343)

This should make a great obituary headline.

They're thieves and war criminals (-1, Flamebait)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 2 years ago | (#41313961)

Libya had it all going on, till the western nations went in and fucked everything up. They were closer to a true democracy than just about any other nation on earth, had both oil and fresh water that they'd managed to keep out of the hands of foreign corporations, and their population was well treated, well provided for and happy.

Now they're getting a sham democracy and their natural resources are being stolen from right under their noses by foreign corporations, whose freedom the invasion was really intended to protect.

So, I say from the bottom of my heart, fuck you, Sean Smith. You got what you deserved.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41313975)

Libya had it all going on, till the western nations went in and fucked everything up. They were closer to a true democracy than just about any other nation on earth, had both oil and fresh water

Oh yeah, it was a veritable utopia ... wait, I mean [citation needed].

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314091)

He's not making a scientific claim that requires proof, he's stating a bit of history which was something that millions of people were very aware of. Stop being lazy and look for yourself.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314193)

He's not making a scientific claim that requires proof, he's stating a bit of history which was something that millions of people were very aware of. Stop being lazy and look for yourself.

That's why I was asking ... I did and it sounds pretty shitty [wikipedia.org] . It was "closer to a true democracy than just about any other nation on earth (sic)" and that's why it was ruled by one man, Muammar Gaddafi, from 1969 to 2011 and he had a horrible record with political dissidents and human rights [wikipedia.org] .

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 years ago | (#41314301)

And the West has a long history of deposing people with a 'horrible record with political dissidents and human rights'... to replace them with someone much worse.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41314503)

That's true, but it doesn't make the outlandish claims by OP any more valid.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (0)

gay358 (770596) | about 2 years ago | (#41314523)

At least in Iraq, the ousting of Saddam made the situation worse for women and especially for gays [bbc.co.uk] . Now gays are being routinely hunted and tortured to death. Human right record of Saddam was poor, but for gays it was still much better than the current situation.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about 2 years ago | (#41314537)

shieldtroll AC'ing his own comment.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41314099)

If you think that Libya was "closer to a true democracy" under Gaddafi, you're outright insane.

Yeah, the islamists that came to replace him are worse. But it was no rose garden there before that, and human rights violations were routine.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (3, Interesting)

pla (258480) | about 2 years ago | (#41314799)

If you think that Libya was "closer to a true democracy" under Gaddafi, you're outright insane.

Even the most sham-elected de facto dictatorship on the planet blows the doors off any theocracy ever, when it comes to "closer to a true democracy".

At some point, the people can appeal to a (human) tyrant, and he might respond to their concerns.

Whether or not it exists, god never responds.


We need to get out of the Middle East/North Africa, until the savages either settle their differences or kill each other off. Screw this "democracy" crap, we've now plunged three "questionable" but relatively secular democracies into borderline (or even outright) sharia over the past decade. We need to quit while only that far behind.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (4, Insightful)

Valor958 (2724297) | about 2 years ago | (#41314103)

So, an EVE Online CSM 'got what he deserved'... how exactly? You have some major rage issues against EVE? Read the article, Sean Smith was the EVE CSM... Chris Stevens was the ambassador. Even then, how would an AMBASSADOR at a consulate deserve to die over anything? Did he set policy? Did he do ANYTHING to these people? Again with a lack of reading... this was in response to a bunch of insecure religious extremists going, as quoted above, 'bat shit crazy' over a movie they didn't like regarding their reverred Prophet Mohammad. So, here's your reasoning in a nutshell. Because a Libyan Christian living in California made a movie supporting his belief that the Muslim faith is a dangerous cancer (his words), these men deserved to die. Hopefully these same folks never see any of these movies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_about_Muhammad [wikipedia.org] Or we may just have WW3 on our hands....

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 2 years ago | (#41314611)

Because a Libyan Christian living in California made a movie supporting his belief that the Muslim faith is a dangerous cancer (his words)

He just got vindicated based on the actions in Libya and Egypt. I think his film just got a helluva lot more popular now.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1, Interesting)

jvillain (546827) | about 2 years ago | (#41314787)

The result of his actions were entirely predictable. They were mean spirited and intended to provoke this response as is his calling Islam a cancer. Yet the person is not held responsible in any way, shape or form for their actions even though they lead directly to deaths. . While I respect free speech you can't shout fire in a theatre for good reasons. Why isn't this person being held to the same level of responsibility?

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (0)

Mashiki (184564) | about 2 years ago | (#41314705)

What are you talking about? It's peaceful see? Look at their deaths. Hey look at those other deaths in Malaysia, or the hands being cut off, how about those deaths in Africa, hey look at that young Christian girl who was setup by the imam in Pakistan [yahoo.com] , because he hates Christians. Hey would you look at all those Copts being persecuted in Egypt my muslims(how about the one who had her house burned down because she burned a shirt). I've only used one link so far because it was really the only one the media followed in the news, though the stories are out there. But there was also the case of the 12 year old boy who was burned and dumped too. That one really didn't make the news here in the west. Fairly large news in asian media though.

This isn't anything new, not even. This is the religion of peace in action.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41314113)

If they were so well provided for and happy with the job Gaddafi was doing why did they rebel?

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (3, Insightful)

Cl1mh4224rd (265427) | about 2 years ago | (#41314123)

So, I say from the bottom of my heart, fuck you, Sean Smith. You got what you deserved.

See? This is the problem with radicals; they believe innocent individuals need to suffer for the disagreements of others.

Radicals: (4, Insightful)

Hartree (191324) | about 2 years ago | (#41314401)

"they believe innocent individuals need to suffer "

Often, radicals believe there are no innocents.

They feel that either you must be as militant as they are, or you're just a tool/ally of those they feel are opposing/oppressing them.

In the former case, you're a fighter for their cause and thus a martyr if killed.

In the latter case, you are a part of the problem that needs to be disposed of.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about 2 years ago | (#41314239)

Trolls gotta troll.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (1)

belo abismo (2543550) | about 2 years ago | (#41314279)

I hope you get what you deserve too

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314599)

I hope you die from rectal cancer.

Re:They're thieves and war criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314609)

Detail exactly what actions Sean Smith took to "deserve" being murdered.

You won't because you can't.

You desperately want to be seen as a gadfly. You are not, and you never will be.

The religion of peace (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41313963)

strikes again.

Re:The religion of peace (0)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41314563)

Well, it is the Religion of Peace. As in, peace is where it's firmly established [wikipedia.org] . Which is precisely why war should be waged on places where it's not [wikipedia.org] , so that the religion (and hence peace) can be established there ASAP as well.

link to fundraiser in SA forums (4, Informative)

Qubit (100461) | about 2 years ago | (#41313983)

is here [somethingawful.com] .

(how did story get posted w/o a link?)

Re:link to fundraiser in SA forums (1)

CBung (1572609) | about 2 years ago | (#41314017)

I'm wondering if the issue is that it seems like 30pages of RIPs, and there is no fundraiser details yet, it's only mentioned in the thread title... will wait and see I guess.

Re:link to fundraiser in SA forums (1)

Qubit (100461) | about 2 years ago | (#41314245)

I'm wondering if the issue is that it seems like 30pages of RIPs, and there is no fundraiser details yet, it's only mentioned in the thread title... will wait and see I guess.

Fair, but then story should have read "A fundraiser is being considered...stay tuned", or somesuch :-)

Re:link to fundraiser in SA forums (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314821)

Seeing how this is EVE related, the fundraiser is probably part of some elaborate scam.

rip vile rat (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41313987)

You will live forever in are harts.

Goondolences.

"small-world" dept? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314013)

Not fucking small enough. Needs to be smaller by at least a few million backward, ignorant, camel-fucking thugs.

Clearly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314063)

...the entire controversy in Libya was orchastrated by -A- for the purpose of 'TRUELY PERMA-KILLING' one of the goonwarm leaders.

Re:Clearly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314225)

Should have known to keep his clone up to date...

Re:Clearly.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314313)

As sad of an event as it is, that gave me a chuckle, if only because I could truly see some mentally ill individuals taking the meta game too far in much the same way that a few individuals gave Chick and company an excuse to fearmonder D&D for similiar events.

Getting away from that, we need to pull out of the embassies in Muslim controlled countries then go and commit some REAL sacrilege over there. If you have a problem with someone who is NOT of your religion insulting your religion, there's plenty of non-violent, or at least LESS violent means to express your displeasure. Hell, smash a few windows at the local US embassy if you feel the need. But when you have large swarms of people going on a murdering rampage, that just screams for massive retribution. The men who committed it, their families, their friends. Hell, even their postman. Show them that if they keep doing that sort of stupid shit that we'll just have more free space to move into.

Fundraiser? (-1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 2 years ago | (#41314139)

What is the fundraiser for?
He was an american diplomat, any amount that any normal people could raise would not chance the privileged lifestyle that his kids certainly live with.
Even if they raised millions of dollars, what are they going to spend it on? A second summer cottage, maybe they could finally afford that luxury yacht they always wanted?

Re:Fundraiser? (5, Informative)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 2 years ago | (#41314179)

He wasn't a diplomat he was a tech guy working in the consulate. I can understand the confusion, Sean Smith aka Vile Rat was a diplomat for the eve online alliance Goonswarm and a former member of the CSM.

He leaves behind two kids so presumably it would go towards them and any funeral costs.

Re:Fundraiser? (1)

SpzToid (869795) | about 2 years ago | (#41314577)

His last chat transcript in TFA is chilling. It seems like any good I.T. guy he was online at the time. It sounds like they were under very heavy attack actually, with mortars... in the US Consulate compound? OK, now the government is beefing up security, but I wonder what was in-place before the place was destroyed.

What a terrible thing to happen.

Re:Fundraiser? (5, Informative)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 2 years ago | (#41314619)

nah that wasn't his last chat transcript. That was just an example that was pretty common to hear from him when he was in Iraq . His lats words on jabber were "FUCK" and "GUNFIRE" and then he disappeared off Jabber.

Re:Fundraiser? (5, Insightful)

heypete (60671) | about 2 years ago | (#41314183)

He was a "diplomat" in EVE Online. In real life, he did IT work for the consulate -- he wasn't a diplomat nor any particularly wealthy, privileged person. He's just an ordinary guy doing IT work.

Re:Fundraiser? (0)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 2 years ago | (#41314561)

He was a "diplomat" in EVE Online. In real life, he did IT work for the consulate -- he wasn't a diplomat nor any particularly wealthy, privileged person. He's just an ordinary guy doing IT work.

The way I first read it, he was the target of the hit due to his activities in EVE and the American ambassador was just caught in the crossfire.

The actual story (ambassador, others killed because muslims always overreact to trolling) is only slightly less strange.

Re:Fundraiser? (2)

masternerdguy (2468142) | about 2 years ago | (#41314187)

vile rat was a csm diplomat for eve online and one of the original goons. csm diplos fly to iceland to discuss game balance.

Re:Fundraiser? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314311)

No he worked for the consulate, he was a FP-05 or something.
The ambassador probably had money, but the Sean Smith was probably making 70k at most.

Don't fall for it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314197)

Do you guys actually believe this?? I mean, come on... it's GOONS. They are notorious for pulling pranks like this.

Re:Don't fall for it (3, Interesting)

Dyinobal (1427207) | about 2 years ago | (#41314333)

Nope I was acquainted with Vile Rat, in Eve. This isn't a troll it is genuine.

"we are ready to sacrifice millions" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314345)

A quote from the dailystar.com.lb [dailystar.com.lb]

"We sacrificed dozens and hundreds during the uprising for our dignity. The Prophet's dignity is more important to us and we are ready to sacrifice millions," said mosque preacher Mohamed Abu Gabal who joined the protest.

Perhaps we had better get started, before more innocent people get the same seemingly random treatment.

Re:"we are ready to sacrifice millions" (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41314571)

Get started what? Bomb the hell out of the country? 'cause it worked so well all those times you've tried it elsewhere...

Build Fortified Embassies Outside Cities (1)

gay358 (770596) | about 2 years ago | (#41314431)

Because US is so hated in many countries, I think they should build the embassies outside city (centers). Then it would be easier to have good fortifications, like double fences, with land mines, machine gun towers, over meter thick walls like in Iraq (although the Iraqi plan included thousands of soldiers, I don't think you really need thousands of soldiers with propertly fortified embassy) etc.

Re:Build Fortified Embassies Outside Cities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314595)

And how are people supposed to get there for their diplomatic services? Interestingly enough it seems there are a lot more people trying to get Visas to the US than attacking embassies. Don't live in fear.

Re:Build Fortified Embassies Outside Cities (2)

jvillain (546827) | about 2 years ago | (#41314879)

Yes building castles in foreign countries sends entirely the right message. It is certain to dispel the belief that the US is an occupation power.

A US ambassador or a random video game player (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 years ago | (#41314441)

Which ones death in an attack on an embassy should I put first?

Streisand Effect (3, Funny)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 2 years ago | (#41314451)

Obligatory Streisand Effect link to the video that they are acting against: Innocence of Muslims [youtube.com]

And, for bonus points, here's an emoticon depiction of The Prophet Mohammed: 0-<-<

Come get me.

Will you guys ever learn? (4, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41314471)

First it was Afghanistan. You thought that everyone [photobucket.com] fighting against authoritarian Soviets was automatically pro-democracy and pro-human rights; and what's wrong if they speak of Islam and jihad occasionally? Clearly it's only against the bad guys. And so you gave them money and guns and trained them, and the end result was a country where most schools (build by those very Soviets) were demolished and replaced by madrassas, and secular if authoritarian government replaced by fanatics who were stoning women on football stadiums for adultery after they were raped.

(Oh, and don't say that you didn't support Taliban. This guy [wikipedia.org] was no better, and most of his troops ended up in Taliban anyway.)

And what do you get for it in the end? A whole country turned into a giant terrorist training camp that's now working against you, and using those very weapons that you've supplied them to kill your soldiers, and workers that you send to try to rebuild the country. The training camp that produced those people who committed the biggest terrorist act ever in the history of this planet, against the USA.

Then there was Kosovo. Again, "freedom fighters" against a totalitarian regime and all that. Again, a decade afterwards it's slowly growing to be another place where Wahhabism spreads, only this time in the middle of Europe (and also a major drug transit center to boot, to finance the operation). And, again, the chickens are coming [cnn.com] home [wikipedia.org] to roost [wikipedia.org] .

Now there's Libya. It's only been a year since the downfall of the regime - thanks largely to heavy NATO military backing of the rebel "freedom fighters" - and we've already seen genocide of the black population, widespread persecuting of Christians, and now this act of outright hostility towards USA and the murder of its citizens and representatives. You can go on at length about how the real, democratically elected government of Libya is liberal and all about human rights and such, but what this incident clearly shows is that they're not a government. They're simply not in control of the country. And people that are in control, because they have guns (that you gave them) and troops and determination - people like this [worldcrunch.com] - hate democracy and human rights with a passion, and hate you because you are representative of that. And you can't even say that they haven't warned you [vice.com] if you were only willing to see and listen...

But, hey, that's still not quite enough jihadis, right? Let's create another breeding ground for them in Syria as well?

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314715)

You left one thing out.

There was exactly one positive consequence to the Iraq war. Khadaffy decided to cooperate with the West and end his WMD program for fear that he would be next. What was his reward? As you said, NATO backed the rebel "freedom fighters."

As a result, NO tin-horn dictator will EVER give up their WMD program.

You guys (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314727)

Don't you dare claim that I hold ANY responsibility for the actions of those who rule over me. Their relationship with me is one of COERCION, not voluntary association. They take money from me by force, not by voluntary contribution. They control my behavior through coercion, not persuasion. This is why they need guns. This is why government needs a special "right" to employ coercion as a business model. They are FOUNDED on coercion, and common sense tells me that as long as coercion is present, I hold absolutely no responsibility for their actions.

No, I do NOT accept the so-called "social contract" theory, which states that by remaining on the land he was born into, a man volunteers himself to be subject to coercion. Bullshit. A man cannot volunteer to be subject to coercion, any more than a man can coerce another man into volunteering. The two modes of human interaction, voluntary association and coercion, are polar opposite and mutually exclusive. That is what gives them meaning.

In conclusion, fuck off and take your pathetic claims of collective action with you.

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (5, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41314733)

Of course, none of the real-world stuff is as simple as you portray it. Libya started as a very real effort by the general population to overthrow a pretty scummy dictator. There were three options: support the government (thank god we learned our lesson on supporting dictators for some very fuzzy "strategic" goal), do nothing, or support the people fighting the government. We did pretty much the best thing we could have: even the fight by taking out heavy armor and artillery, remove the threat of aerial assault, and let the Libyans sort out the rest. We're seeing the results of the do-nothing approach in Syria: a prolonged war that is getting more violent as time goes on, with more extremist elements joining the fight on both sides.

Libya is a pip-squeak compared to what we're getting in Syria.

I hate to break it to you, but sometimes the best we can do results in a situation that is only somewhat of an improvement over a total catastrophe. And yet, it is still better than to just sit on your ass. What is it with people who think that if something's not perfect, nothing should be done?

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41314861)

Of course, none of the real-world stuff is as simple as you portray it. Libya started as a very real effort by the general population to overthrow a pretty scummy dictator.

Not quite. It started as a very real effort by a part of the general population to overthrow a petty scummy dictator ruling in the interests of and supported by the other part of the general population. That's why we eventually called it a civil war, not an uprising.

But even then, so what? If someone revolts against a dictator, it doesn't mean that they are any better themselves. The problem is that Americans seem to assume that everyone revolting against a dictator is a champion of freedom. In practice, more often than not, they just want a different kind of dictatorship.

We're seeing the results of the do-nothing approach in Syria: a prolonged war that is getting more violent as time goes on, with more extremist elements joining the fight on both sides.

There was no such threat in Libya without foreign involvement. To remind you, the loyalist Libyan army has all but steamrolled the rebels by the time NATO intervened. Syria is different because, on one hand, the pro-government side is much more of a minority (it's basically Alawites and some Christians vs the Sunni majority), and, on the other hand, there are already a bunch of states around that are supporting both sides of the conflict - Iran backing Assad, and Arab states backing the rebels. That's what prolongs the conflict.

I hate to break it to you, but sometimes the best we can do results in a situation that is only somewhat of an improvement over a total catastrophe.

And, pray tell, in what sense is the situation in Libya "somewhat of an improvement" over what was there under Gaddafi?

That was the whole point of my post. In none of the cases that I've outlined, the situation is actually better. It is, at best, different, and usually worse, especially when you look at it from western perspective. So why get involved to help one bad guys against other bad guys, and get burned in the process? More importantly, why keep repeating that?

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314777)

Syria? They're handling that just fine on their own, as are Egypt and Tunisia.

By the way, you rant about the way things are but I don't see your suggested alternative.

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 2 years ago | (#41314793)

In other words. We are freeing Islamists around the world from their pimp-lords, rulers, kings, and anyone else that thrives on their oppression. In return with their new found freedom, they are collectively forming an Islamic axis of evil (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc) against Western nations and specifically it's titular head, America.

Well, fuck em. Them bitches can bring it!

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314835)

No good deed/s goes unpunished.

Re:Will you guys ever learn? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#41314871)

It's business... Waddya gonna do?

Goons deserve to die... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314499)

... but only in-game.

Damn. RIP Vile Rat - my deepest condolences to GS and especially to his family.

Re:Goons deserve to die... (1)

Aryden (1872756) | about 2 years ago | (#41314817)

I actually voted for Vile Rat in the last election.... damn shame... I made tons of money off that election. I do however, offer my condolences to his family.

USMC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314801)

My most sincere condolences to all those who lost someone.

I would like to know why there were Libyan security forces who ran when shit got heavy instead of U.S. Marines who would have stayed to the last protecting those in their care.

BoB (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41314869)

BoB must be responsible!

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