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Turning Data Science Into a Spectator 'Sport'

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the instant-replay-not-necessary dept.

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vu1986 writes "Kaggle has a 'predictive-modeling competition platform that makes public the competitors in invite-only private competitions. Think of it like watching a major tournament in golf or tennis, where you can watch the best in the world shoot it out to see whose algorithms are king. Kaggle's tagline is "We're making data science a sport." Maybe now it can make data science a spectator sport.'"

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We got some of that right here. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41315981)

We have plenty of armchair "quaterbacks" right here when it comes to science. They can blab on and on about what's right and wrong but damn it if they're ever asked to put their shoulder into the effort. Most of them seem to know less than a high school chemistry student. But, you know, these guys think they're on the ball.

Re:We got some of that right here. (3, Funny)

Defenestrar (1773808) | about 2 years ago | (#41316377)

Well, according to that model, soon enough you'll start seeing some slashdot comments scrolling across the bottom of the screen on ESPN 7.

Re:We got some of that right here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41317495)

Why not just ESPN? In this case the S stands for Science!

Bring on the memes (2)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#41316045)

Announcer Holy Cow, that recursive data parsing algorithm discovered a secret code hidden within the Book of Revelations in 18.5897923 seconds! "All your base are be...." Wha- What the hell is this crap!?!?

Maybe instead of making it a sport (2)

tlambert (566799) | about 2 years ago | (#41316097)

They could make it go faster than televised bass fishing.

Seriously, no one not wearing white polyester pants up to below their chest and golf shoes, or someone wearing hip waders and holding a fly reel, would have the patience to watch this.

Even if you could trick someone into watching it, you're never going to get beyond the "accumulate points" stage, unless there's an end goal, and you can see progress toward that goal well enough that the representation would allow you to predict a winner or a close race.

If it goes anywhere, it'll be because Jeff Bezos or Larry Ellison favors a team and drops a bunch of machines into that teams cluster. Actually, if it's Larry Ellison, expect him to drop just enough computers into the underdog to be able to claim a tax write off and fix the Vegas odds to the point he can switch the support at the last minute and cash in.

Re:Maybe instead of making it a sport (1)

garcia (6573) | about 2 years ago | (#41316617)

As someone who works in the data analysis field, I can assure you the people doing predictive modeling are not usually pocket protected geeks with tape between their lenses.

But I will admit I got a good chuckle from your post; +5 Funny for sure.

Re:Maybe instead of making it a sport (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41316749)

What do you think of the competition itself?

Re:Maybe instead of making it a sport (2)

garcia (6573) | about 2 years ago | (#41316955)

I don't see it being any different than what Netflix did except that instead of one potential customer gaining a competitive advantage from crowdsourced data analysis, many companies will.

Like watching tennis? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41316121)

If they get hot Russian chicks in short skirts, I am so there!

just what science needs... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41316133)

...people who are fanatically devoted to one viewpoint, ignoring all evidence to the contractrary, and demonizing their opponent. Yeah, science needs to be more like sports.

I hope the OP gets cancer and dies...

Re:just what science needs... (2)

Defenestrar (1773808) | about 2 years ago | (#41316429)

...people who are fanatically devoted to one viewpoint, ignoring all evidence to the contractrary[sic], and demonizing their opponent. Yeah, science needs to be more like sports...

Hey there. I see you participate in grant reviews too!

Free work (1)

mcelrath (8027) | about 2 years ago | (#41316171)

So instead of being employed, we're all expected to work, for free, in the hopes that we win a contest? I sure as hell hope this violates all kinds of labor laws.

The labor market has become the Hunger Games. We all lose.

Most Boring TV Channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41316313)

Here is today's schedule for the most boring TV channel:

Bass Fishing
Predictive-modeling competition

I freakin' love Kaggle (3, Interesting)

ZahrGnosis (66741) | about 2 years ago | (#41316457)

I've been working on the Heritage Health Prize [] that Kaggle is running for over a year now. It's a fantastic way to learn data science and tackle real world problems with real data and a co-op-etitive spirit. The forums and winning solutions are great for learning the art, and if you've never used R [] , it's a great opportunity to learn it and talk to people that have a ton of experience in the area.

Kaggle is unverifiable (5, Informative)

Okian Warrior (537106) | about 2 years ago | (#41316609)

I've entered a couple of Kaggle competitions, but I'm 'kinda put off by the opaque results.

After the first one ended (predict HIV progression [] ), the released full dataset indicated that the data had been sorted before it was separated into train and test sets. IOW, after being sorted by length, all the short sequences were put into the training set, and the longer ones into the test set. This mistake may have invalidated the competition, and I strongly suspect it would have invalidated any paper written about the results.

More recently, the organizers of one competition [] stated flatly in the forums that they would release the entire data set once the competition had ended, but then didn't. I inquired about this, and a Kaggle data scientist replied saying "we almost never release the test data".

I'm not sure that Kaggle [] is all that scientific. If the full dataset can't be examined after the competitions close, there's no way to verify the results.

Watching Paint Dry is a sport. (1)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 2 years ago | (#41316905)

Or checking which veggies in the fridge go bad first is a sport, if data analysis is a sport.

This smells like old SPAM (both kinds).

Endurance sports? (2)

19061969 (939279) | about 2 years ago | (#41317671)

I hope these spectators like endurance sports. My natural language processing models take between 2-7 days to create. While I set the model creation going and have a few beers, watch TV etc, they can sit and watch a terminal with an incomprehensible progress report going on.

"Wow! He's completed 87% of the tokenisation! He''ll be shooting to score any week now!"

Never mind, as long as they pay.

HD Good N Plenty (1)

G SHOK (2729809) | about 2 years ago | (#41331579)

I am opting for HD data while spectating. And maybe some Good N Plenty.
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