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Nintendo WiiU Price and Release Date Announced

timothy posted more than 2 years ago | from the water-sports-games-I-hope dept.

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YokimaSun writes "Nintendo has revealed the release date of the Wii U: in Japan it will launch on the 8th December, and in the U.S. it will launch on November 18th. The console will ship in two versions: a basic version with 8GB of internal memory and a Deluxe version that has 32GB of internal memory and comes with a stand and docks. Both versions have 1GB of main memory and as much again for game memory. Nintendo claims the console is 20 times more powerful than the Wii and supports 1080p visuals out the box. It comes with an HDMI cable. All existing Wii accessories will work with the Wii U, but the new Tablet Gamepad will set you back around £100/$173 when you convert yen over. The price of the Deluxe SKU is $350." Here's a list of launch titles.

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Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (-1, Flamebait)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322851)

Can me an Xbox fanboy if you like, but one of the things I love about the Xbox is that it's the first console brand since the Atari that doesn't treat the U.S. (you know, the largest goddamned console market in the world) like second-class citizens. I want Xbox to "win" the console wars because it means never having to see "Releases in Japan on X date, U.S./European release dates to come later, at some point, when we get around to it."

And at least Sony showed some respect with a simultaneous release of the PS3 worldwide. Nintendo acts like this is still the 90's and Japan is still the center of the gaming universe.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0, Flamebait)

I'm Spinning Around (2729457) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322883)

I agree with you. Xbox is much more awesome than this Wii shit.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (-1, Troll)

baka_toroi (1194359) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323921)

FOR FAGS, LOL AMIRITE?

Please keep your shitposting for YouTube and 9gag.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (4, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322931)

Erm, I did a quick Google as the nearest thing I can find with any reliability is 2008 figures but:

"Nielsen research reveals US ranks third behind Asia and EU in consumer spending on software; 31 percent of Europeans 16-49 in primary regions actively game."

So that's probably why they have the order that they do.

That said, simultaneous release should be a given nowadays. You honestly make no more money from doing it but are likely to increase piracy.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (4, Informative)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323193)

I don't think that piracy of console hardware is that big a problem. And simultaneous release isn't going to change it much anyway. Simultaneous release would however significantly increase initial production costs and inventory requirements.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (5, Insightful)

Guru80 (1579277) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323963)

How the hell are you, or any other nation that doesn't get it on day 0, slighted in the least? It's a simple matter of logistics and supply. They are in it for the money in the long run after all. If they could hand deliver one to every household in the world the minute of release and make money doing so you can be pretty damn sure they would. There are always shortages in supply on release of the consoles, and it isn't done purposely as it only decreases potential sales. It is directly related to how many the can produce by a given time. Don't say they should wait a week then to deliver all of them..again, it's logistics. What you are proposing simply isn't sound business sense...which is what it is all about after all.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323427)

Why not use equivalent comparisons and compare North America to Europe and Asia...

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

ifrag (984323) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323467)

That said, simultaneous release should be a given nowadays.

Why exactly should this be a given? Even assuming they are at least thinking ahead in their programming and have a proper localization framework in place, that still doesn't mean all content is equally ready for distribution.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41322933)

Are you that ignorant? Where is Microsoft based? Where is Nintendo/Sony based?

Think before you type, idiot.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (5, Interesting)

N1AK (864906) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322941)

That's not fanboyism, but it is a pretty damning case of immature thinking. Who really cares if Nintendo releases it a week earlier in Japan. If they won't have the stock, and support to do a global release on that date, then your point only stacks up if you're basically saying they should screw their own strong market to prioritise the US which makes very little sense. The Asian, and global non-American game markets are huge. The Asian gaming market has revenues equivalent to that of North America so acting like they are cutting their nose off by not prioritising Americans over-inflated sense of self-importance is pretty naive.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323025)

I didn't say they should PRIORITIZE the U.S. How about we just get beyond the bullshit regionalism altogether and have *simultaneous* release dates worldwide, so no one is left slighted?

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323111)

Because it's harder logistically?

Dude, Give It Up (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323129)

I didn't say they should PRIORITIZE the U.S. How about we just get beyond the bullshit regionalism altogether and have *simultaneous* release dates worldwide, so no one is left slighted?

Here, I'll explain this to you so your feeble mind can understand. If they were to do that, they'd have to have their factories working for a month to make a certain number. Then they'd have to wait for those to ship to all corners of the world. Then they'd have to put them on sale on the exact same day. And then and only then on that day will you make money. And then what? Either they're gonna sell out or it's going to be a dud. If you want to survive a dud, the best way to do is to mitigate the cost. This makes phased roll-outs a better business idea. You can plan out how much to ship based on how well it's selling/being received.

You think that Nintendo should cater to Americans when the devices are being made in Asia by an Asian company? 'Me me me, I'm American, I deserve everything WHAAAAAAAAA!'

There's a thing called patience. The rest of the world has it. You do not.

Oh and to circumvent your further idiotic replies, some cursory research reveals [wikipedia.org] :

Original Xbox 360
NA November 16, 2005
EU December 2, 2005
JP December 10, 2005
CO|MX February 2, 2006
KR February 24, 2006
HK|SG|TW March 16, 2006
AUS March 23, 2006
CL July 7, 2006
IN September 25, 2006
ZA September 29, 2006
CZ|PL November 3, 2006
BR December 1, 2006
RU February 11, 2007
PE February 25, 2008
UAE October 28, 2008
NG|TR 2009
SC Spring 2010
Xbox 360 S
NA June 18, 2010
AU July 1, 2010
NZ July 8, 2010
EU July 16, 2010

The XBox could be equally criticized. Wait, let me translate it so an XBox user can understand: OMG, XBOX IS TEH SUXXORS!!! GO HOME GAY FAG!

Re:Dude, Give It Up (-1)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323221)

Here, I'll explain this to you so your feeble mind can understand. If they were to do that, they'd have to have their factories working for a month to make a certain number. Then they'd have to wait for those to ship to all corners of the world. Then they'd have to put them on sale on the exact same day. And then and only then on that day will you make money. And then what? Either they're gonna sell out or it's going to be a dud. If you want to survive a dud, the best way to do is to mitigate the cost. This makes phased roll-outs a better business idea. You can plan out how much to ship based on how well it's selling/being received.

Funny that Sony managed to do it.

What the Fuck are You Smoking? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323255)

Here, I'll explain this to you so your feeble mind can understand. If they were to do that, they'd have to have their factories working for a month to make a certain number. Then they'd have to wait for those to ship to all corners of the world. Then they'd have to put them on sale on the exact same day. And then and only then on that day will you make money. And then what? Either they're gonna sell out or it's going to be a dud. If you want to survive a dud, the best way to do is to mitigate the cost. This makes phased roll-outs a better business idea. You can plan out how much to ship based on how well it's selling/being received.

Funny that Sony managed to do it.

With what? The PS3? Nope [wikipedia.org] . The Vita? Nope [wikipedia.org] .

What kind of fucking troll are you?!

Re:What the Fuck are You Smoking? (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323475)

Okay, one week apart. I would count that as pretty simultaneous.

Now You Move the Goal Posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323597)

Okay, one week apart. I would count that as pretty simultaneous.

Right. For Japan, Hong Kong, United States, Taiwan and Canada. However your original post said:

And at least Sony showed some respect with a simultaneous release of the PS3 worldwide. Nintendo acts like this is still the 90's and Japan is still the center of the gaming universe.

Did you know that there are more countries than just the United States and Japan in the world? Why don't you start looking at how badly South Korea gets hosed in these console release dates. Per capita they kill Japan and USA for gaming.

So you're nationalist bullshit post espousing respect should have an asterisk and say 'only for the one country I care about'.

Re:What the Fuck are You Smoking? (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323971)

What kind of fucking troll are you?!

One that doesn't post as AC? You have good points, but then you act like a kid with your insults.

Re:What the Fuck are You Smoking? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41324013)

What kind of fucking troll are you?! One that doesn't post as AC? You have good points, but then you act like a kid with your insults.

Ah, Slashdot, the site where Anonymous Cowards' points are invalid because they don't bother to make accounts. When someone acts like a kid with their persistence of lies, you treat them like a kid with insults.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323225)

I didn't say they should PRIORITIZE the U.S. How about we just get beyond the bullshit regionalism altogether and have *simultaneous* release dates worldwide, so no one is left slighted?

My thought exactly when I noticed the complete lack of release dates for the Kindle Paperwhite outside of the US.

Great Criteria You Nationalist Nutjob (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323049)

I want Xbox to "win" the console wars because it means never having to see "Releases in Japan on X date, U.S./European release dates to come later, at some point, when we get around to it."

Yeah that's a much better criteria than actual functionality and genuine merit. Hey, I've got this new console called the FuckYouRaspberryPi and it's, um, got stuff with it and a RaspberryPi but don't you worry! It's going to release FIRST in the US for $1,000. I will send you all the pieces you need to kinda play, you even get to write the games yourself!

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (4, Funny)

donaldm (919619) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323075)

Can me an Xbox fanboy if you like

Ok show me an Xbox fanboy and I think with allot of pressure we can squeeze him into a can, however it may be a bit painful :)

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323259)

I don't think one allot will be enough. We're going to need at least eleventy allots of pressure to squeeze an Xbox fanboy into a can. I mean, those guys can be pretty large.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323849)

You are thinking of an alot. Aalots are much smaller than alots.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323131)

I didn't see the Japanese video, so I can't say for sure (plus I don't understand Japanese), but from what I've read they'll be releasing in North America first to capitalize on Black Friday. There were concerns with supplies that could push the European and Japanese release dates back. All we know for sure is that the Japanese release date was announced first.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323213)

FYI it ships in US on Nov 18 (according to the conference going on right now), before Dec 8 (the Japan ship date). Enjoy your crow, troll.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (4, Informative)

bjackson1 (953136) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323281)

It's coming to the US first.... Nov 18: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/09/wii-u-coming-to-america-sunday-november-18/ [arstechnica.com]

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (2, Funny)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323539)

Well, it appears they listened to me. Good for them, for realizing I was right.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323361)

I don't disagree that the "Japan first" mindset is unpleasant and wrong, but...

The PS3 was not a simultaneous world-wide launch. It wasn't even the same console that launched worldwide. Europe had to wait months to get it, and then got a stripped down version with no back compatibility. I saw the way the wind was blowing and imported a US back-compatible 60gig (my PS2 games being a mix of US and UK versions anyway). Which I had for months before the UK launch.

Meanwhile, the timing of the EU launch for the Wii-U is set to be announced in less than an hour, with the US announcement following a few hours later. So it's a little early to get upset yet.

If I were a betting man, I'd say 11 December for the US and 14 December for Europe.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323637)

Oh wow did I get that one wrong. 18 November for the US and 30 November for Europe.

So Japan gets it last. Take that, shrinking Japanese gaming demographic.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

OldSport (2677879) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323423)

I think it's less that, and more that in Japan, customer loyalty tends to be a two-way street. Giving their own populace the first shot at the console doesn't strike me as so odd in that country. I don't know if that factors into their reasoning, but I lived and worked in Japan long enough to know that "Japan, Inc." and Team Japan are extremely important concepts to a major portion of the population.

On the flip side, I remember the utterly ridiculous launch the Xbox 360 had in Japan -- the only games I could find at my local electronics shop in Osaka were Ridge Racer and Tetris, for God's sake. So it's not just Nintendo that flips the proverbial bird at a foreign gaming population.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323431)

PS3 was the exception, not the rule. Prior consoles all had phased regional releases. If you count the days, they have been improving.

Even if it's a phased release, they just might be able to make it to NA/EU for the holidays (though no hard feelings if they don't)

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (2)

WilyCoder (736280) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323501)

Don't you feel like a jerk right now, the US launch is confirmed to be BEFORE the Japanese launch:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/13/wii-u-price-date-us/ [engadget.com]

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (0)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323561)

They were wise enough to listen to me and realize I was right. The rest of the world should be that smart.

Time to Follow Your Own Advice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323695)

They were wise enough to listen to me and realize I was right. The rest of the world should be that smart.

So here's the million dollar question: will you now be a blindly rapid ignorant Nintendo fanboy and burn all your Microsoft gear?

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323537)

Nintendo is a japaneese company. Japan is the center of the universe for Nintendo. Releasing in Japan first makes sense. Get over it.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (4, Informative)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323631)

Guess what? You're wrong!

Release date in Japan: December 8
Release date in US: November 18

See, timothy? This is why you wait until *after* the press conference to post the article.

Re:Still thinks Japan is the center of the world (1)

eennaarbrak (1089393) | more than 2 years ago | (#41324083)

Funny post, since Nintendo just announced the release of the Wii U in UK on 30 November - BEFORE the Japan release.

Not going to win the new XboX (-1, Flamebait)

I'm Spinning Around (2729457) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322855)

Come on, let's not kid ourselves here. WiiU has no real change in winning the new XboX. Did you know that the new XboX is one of history's most anticipated consumer devices and has won thousands of awards. Not to forget that you can code on it using one of the best IDE's around, Visual Studio. For free!

Did you know that the new XboX comes with Kinect2 and XNA support? Yes, it does! The new XboX is so marvelous, delicate and.. wait for it.. AWESOME that you will rock your socks.

Re:Not going to win the new XboX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323355)

Microsoft doesn't capitalize the second X in "Xbox". Shape up, or they won't be sending you your check this week!

It will certainly succeed (2, Interesting)

aglider (2435074) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322929)

in being a big flop.
The controller (the distinctive part of this box) is too expensive. You can by a PS Vita or a 3DS for the same price. And play on the go.
All that CPU power is almost irrelevant. 2x would be enough. 10x is not different from a 2x from the user perspective.
1080p is the maximum? No dual screen? What's all that power for?
You can buy a PS3 for less and still have a very good gaming experience.
In one question: is the WiiU a better gaming console than a PS3?
I don't think so.

Re:It will certainly succeed (1)

Deltaspectre (796409) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322979)

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with part this. An expensive controller kept me from buying a second controller for my Wii for well over 2 years (the price of a brand new game once you add in the nunchuk!).

Re:It will certainly succeed (2)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323825)

And if you bought that controller then you already have an extra controller for the Wii U.

Re:It will certainly succeed (5, Insightful)

Liam Pomfret (1737150) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322999)

I can't help be amused at this post. People have spent years attacking Nintendo for its console not being powerful enough. Now it builds the more powerful console people have demanded, one that should serve it well into this next console generation....and people attack it for being too powerful, and talk about how you can still have great game experiences with a less powerful console? Now where have I heard that argument before....oh yeah, that's exactly what Nintendo fans have been saying for years as people have continued to attack them. There's just no satisfying you guys, is there? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Re:It will certainly succeed (3, Insightful)

JMJimmy (2036122) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323231)

It may bring the "power" but 8gb and 32gb of memory!? My Xbox is filled with 240gb of mostly arcade games at the moment. Add on the cost of an external HDD + the performance slowdowns due to the USB interface - horrible. You're going to have to install/delete the games every time you want to switch games or wear out the optical drive in no time.

Re:It will certainly succeed (4, Informative)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323685)

Wtf are you babbling about? This new one from Nintendo, in 2012, is barely comparable to the last generation of power from 2006/2007.

Its almost laughable reading your post.

Re:It will certainly succeed (3, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323001)

If it runs all Wii games and accepts all Wii peripherals, and puts out "HD" (even if that's just old Wii games and some scaling), it'll sell just so that people can replace their (now-aging) Wii's with it, use all their old stuff still and see a new game or two with even just one of the new controllers come Christmas.

Predicting a flop is a little harsh. It probably won't be as successful as the Wii but if Nintendo make a loss on it, I'll be extremely surprised.

Re:It will certainly succeed (1)

drkich (305460) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323557)

That is where I am at. I dropped my Wii a number of months ago, and I went to the kids and asked them if they wanted me to go out and buy the old on or wait to buy the new one. Since it is backwards compatible they decided to wait for the new one.

Re:It will certainly succeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41324035)

Just want to say that I like that you made it a family discussion, rather than just deciding yourself. Sounds like your family is a nice place to grow up.

Re:It will certainly succeed (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323853)

Even if it's just to have 480p with no color fringing or dot crawl, it's an easy sell to current Wii owners. A component cable wasn't a big enough upgrade, and I shudder whenever I see composite cables connecting a Wii to a 42" HDTV.

Monster cable (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 2 years ago | (#41324039)

Even if it's just to have 480p with no color fringing or dot crawl, it's an easy sell to current Wii owners. A component cable wasn't a big enough upgrade

How so? When I was still playing Wii, I was using a Monster component cable that was cheaper than Nintendo's own, and I got 480p with no composite encoding artifacts. (On the other hand, several NES emulators for PC take pains to emulate the NES's composite encoding artifacts.)

Re:It will certainly succeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323041)

One tablet controller will come with the system. The system will support *at most* two tablet controllers. I can't imagine any games will require 2 tablet controllers. All the old Wii accessories (Wii Remotes, Nunchucks, Balance Board, etc.) will be compatible. Not to mention the Wii U will have an XBox style "Pro" controller. Buying a second or more tablet controller will not be mandatory for local multiplayer experiences.

Re:It will certainly succeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323589)

All the old Wii accessories (Wii Remotes, Nunchucks, Balance Board, etc.) will be compatible.

They've said the Wii Remote Plus (the one with Motion Plus builtin) will be compatible. I haven't been able to find anyone saying whether the Wii Remote with Motion Plus attachment will be compatible - does anyone know?

Probably it will be, but it'd be nice to have some clarification.

Re:It will certainly succeed (2)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323919)

All Wii accessories will be compatible. http://reviews.cnet.com/nintendo-wii-u/ [cnet.com]

However, it will not upscale original Wii games. http://www.ign.com/wikis/wii-u/Frequently_Asked_Questions [ign.com]

This is unfortunate. The Dolphin emulator [dolphin-emulator.com] has been able to render GameCube and Wii games at 1080p for a couple of years now.

Re:It will certainly succeed (5, Interesting)

JDG1980 (2438906) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323099)

You can buy a PS3 for less and still have a very good gaming experience. In one question: is the WiiU a better gaming console than a PS3?

Nintendo hardware has seldom been leading-edge at any time, going back to the original NES. They succeed because of their software library. It's really that simple, and I see no reason it won't continue with the Wii U. As long as the rest of the industry continues to crank out cookie-cutter FPSes and MMORPGs, Nintendo will continue to have a profitable niche as the novice-friendly, family-friendly console maker.

Re:It will certainly succeed (0)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323747)

what you meant to say is

"Real gamers need zelda or mario. Everything else is trash."

The data supports this. Wii gamers actually despise the library of wii games and buy very few with long popular trends already set. Most wii games fail horribly.

Enjoy your can of beans, since you only like beans.

Re:It will certainly succeed (4, Insightful)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323287)

It would have had a better chance if it was launching in late 2009 or early 2010. Back then, the Wii wasn't as completely moribund as it is now and successors to the PS3 and 360 were a lot further off. Plus Nintendo would have been able to throw more resource at the launch, before they'd suffered 2 years of poor results due to the Wii flatlining and the 3DS needing to be sold at a loss (a first for Nintendo) just to get it a half-way passable installed base.

But launching now? Yes, I think "flop" is probably the likely outcome. The Wii managed huge success in its early years. I think there were two big reasons for this. First, the concept of the Wii was clearly and easily communicated. "Jump around and wave the wand to play games". Everybody can understand that - and it looks fun. Lots of non-gamers bought them (and then, being non-gamers, bought no more games for it after launch). Ok, ok, the motion control was actually hideously inaccurate (only partially rectified by the Wiimote-Plus) and far from jumping around, the best way to play most games was to sit still and make small movements. But by the time people noticed that, they'd already bought.

The second advantage was a media zeitgeist working in Nintendo's favour. There was disillusionment with Microsoft and Sony and Nintendo were getting a lot of press goodwill and free publicity. They had lots of people happy to do their marketing for them.

This time around, the console has a concept which may or may not be good, but which is much harder to communicate in a 15-20 second TV advert. It's a tabletty... touchpaddy... thing. That does something. But then, you're also playing on the TV. I wouldn't be surprised, given the focus on the controller, if a lot of casuals and non-gamers thought that the Wii-U was actually just a new peripheral for the Wii, rather than a whole new console. Just as happened with the 3DS, which a lot of people thought was just a DS with a 3D screen.

And the media are also a bit bored of Nintendo now. They 3DS was a bit dull. The games haven't been that interesting for ages. And it's all so expensive. Meanwhile... ooooooooh.... SHINY NEW IPHONE! SHINY! ME WANT SHINY!

Plus we now have the 360 and PS3 successors likely to be less than 18 months away and certain to pack a lot more horsepower than the Wii-U.

It's the wrong console at the wrong time.

Re:It will certainly succeed (1)

slim (1652) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323915)

This time around, the console has a concept which may or may not be good, but which is much harder to communicate in a 15-20 second TV advert. It's a tabletty... touchpaddy... thing. That does something.

It just needs a simple game that shows that capability. Something akin to Pacman Vs. [wikipedia.org] -- a simple game where the player with the tablet has more information than his opponent, except with a Nintendo flavour. Show some gameplay; job done.

Re:It will certainly succeed (2)

hattig (47930) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323507)

2x the CPU is certainly not enough. The Wii is hamstrung by it's ~730MHz early 2000s era PowerPC CPU. The PS3 is probably 3x as fast, CPU wise (ignoring SPUs), the 360 even more so (maybe even 10x).

Having a controller make up half the cost of the device - that's a real problem. The consumer need for this controller has not been explained well IMO.

1080p is what modern TVs top out at. No need for more.
Dual-screen? Yes, it has it - the TV and the controller (two controllers even, apparently).

The WiiU is more powerful than the PS3 (3x more CPU, ?x more GPU, 4x memory), but will people buy it? People with dusty Wiis on their shelves? At least they can make use of their existing software and peripherals - maybe human psychology is such that people will think "I have the peripherals and games, so might as well get the improved device to use them with"!

Re:It will certainly succeed (2)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323619)

All that CPU power is almost irrelevant. 2x would be enough. 10x is not different from a 2x from the user perspective.

Considering that the Wii was a single-core 729MHz machine, 20x the power would still only be the equivalent of a 3.6GHz quad-core processor.

That's if 20x wasn't an exaggeration.

Also, consider that the Xbox 360 is a triple-core 3.2Ghz machine that was made 7 years ago and that 3.6GHz quad is only 1.5 times its power.

So, no, 20x faster than the Wii isn't exactly a stellar achievement. That and they've coupled it with 2GB of RAM.

Granted, the RAM is 4x the amount the PS3 and Xbox 360 have, and the PS3 is further crippled by splitting it exactly in half between video and CPU.

Re:It will certainly succeed (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | more than 2 years ago | (#41324057)

>So, no, 20x faster than the Wii isn't exactly a stellar achievement. That and they've coupled it with 2GB of RAM.

But I read the summary and it clearly states the console will come with either 8GB of MEMORY or 16GB of MEMORY. Now I'm confused! /sarcasm

It would be nice if a website that's supposed to be all about tech and geekdom could actually post stories on its front page that can distinguish between memory (RAM) and STORAGE, wouldn't it?

I suppose I can dream. :)

Re:It will certainly succeed (4, Funny)

synapse7 (1075571) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323743)

Well if the Wii U gets Skyrim Dawnguard that would put it a notch over the PS3 for some people.

Re:It will certainly succeed (1)

eric_brissette (778634) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323951)

You can buy a PS3 for less and still have a very good gaming experience.
In one question: is the WiiU a better gaming console than a PS3?
I don't think so.

I'd take the WiiU over a PS3 if the WiiU played blu ray discs and supported DLNA for photo, music, and video streaming over the network.

As far as I know, it doesn't support any of that.

Much more expensive than I was expecting (1)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322945)

173$ for the handheld bit, plus 400$ for the console? Did they not notice the problems Sony had launching the PS3 at 600$? It doesn't sound like the premium/not premium difference will account for more than 50$ in the end price.

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (2)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322993)

I should have looked for this article first...Michael Pachter [wikipedia.org] at Wedbush Securities quoted a price of 300$ at most at launch, and ideally 250$. [vg247.com] Maybe 400$ is including one of the new tablet things...in which case they're only way overpriced, not ridiculously overpriced.

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323191)

The North American information should come out later today. Japanese products are usually more expensive over there due to many factors, so it should drop for the NA / Europe release. Australia is out of luck as usual though.

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323029)

Add to that that the fallback is the old Wii controller, which if memory serves correctly have been surpassed in accuracy by Playstation's Move, or whatever it's called. I don't want to pay so much for a new controller, nor do I want to use outdated tech.

By the way, I am am Wii owner.

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323181)

The original Wii controller has also been surpassed by the Wii Motion Plus controller, which is much more sensitive and give more accurate 1:1 motion. I have both the PlayStation Move and Wii Motion Plus. The setup for the Move is actually a hassle, as you have a limited field of view and movement you have to stay in so the PlayStation Eye camera can keep track of you, and you need to do a series of calibration at the beginning of each game I've played. Some require constant recalibration, which is annoying. You also need a clean background if you want the camera to track you. Typically, the Wii Motion Plus only requires you to set the controller upside down on a flat surface so it can calibrate and get a baseline before playing.

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323683)

Add to that that the fallback is the old Wii controller, which if memory serves correctly have been surpassed in accuracy by Playstation's Move, or whatever it's called.

LOL. Move is an ugly hack. It's barely more capable than the original Wii controller (but less capable than the motion+ update), and it does it in the most inellegant manner possible. They thought they could do a brillant hybrid of the Wii and Kinect, but what they came up with was the ugly bastard stepchild.

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323419)

That's the "price in Japan, converted to dollars". AKA not the actual price at all, but /. couldn't wait to post the article (it was up before the press conference even started!)

They actually announced it now - $300 for the console ($350 for premium).

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (1)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323591)

I refuse to watch videos of things I can read instead - thanks for digging this up. 350$ is less unreasonable. Pachter wins again....

Re:Much more expensive than I was expecting (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323693)

I've been reading Kotaku's liveblog - I normally avoid videos as well, although *normally* I make an exception for Nintendo, but I'm kind of at work right now.

Prices will not be the same in US/EU (4, Insightful)

goruka (1721094) | more than 2 years ago | (#41322953)

The Yen is strong and it depends on the region, so it will likely be 250/299usd and 250/299eur. It's the same with the 3DS.

New controllers expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41322959)

I have considered ps3 and xbox360 controllers quite expensive, but this new nintendo one seems to be way beyond those.

Re:New controllers expensive (5, Informative)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323043)

The new controller has a big touch/video screen in it...it's half a tablet. Of course it costs more than a stack of buttons.

Re:New controllers expensive (3, Informative)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323253)

Not only is it expensive, but you're unlikely to buy one.

One is included with the console. The system supports a max of two, and no launch games support that. So even if you want a maxed-out system, you're not looking at $600 in controllers alone, you're looking at $150.

I will admit that if you break one of them, you're in trouble, but Nintendo does a good job of making "unbreakable" hardware - all of my Gamecube controllers still work, after all these years.

Re:New controllers expensive (2)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323533)

The system supports a max of two, and no launch games support that.

This is sounds like a reasonable proxy for "one Mario game, one Zelda game, and one minigame collection is all that will support two of the tablet controllers over the lifetime of the system".

None of my Nintendo hardware has ever broken, except a few of my NES cartridges (I overheated SMB3). Of course, none of my other hardware either, except one RROD, so maybe I'm not representative.

Re:New controllers expensive (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323677)

The original NES controllers suffered badly from sweat leaking into them. But since then their hardware is pretty indestructible.

Re:New controllers expensive (1)

SilenceBE (1439827) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323767)

The new controller has a big touch/video screen in it...it's half a tablet

I can buy a full tablet for a lot less than that price these days. Not iPad quality but at least multitouch with a capacitive screen and not a single touch resistive screen... .

While I do acknowledge that the screen/touch will make it more expensive than a "classic" controller, everything above 100 euro's for a serious hampered tablet device seems really expensive.

Then again this is Nintendo. I still don't have 2 nun-chucks because of the ridiculous high prices they ask.

Unnecessary article. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323079)

It was really, really stupid to post this article when it was posted. Given that the US and EU date/prices will be announced, err, in the next few minutes, why on earth was it necessary to post an article for the Japanese price announcement from overnight? Now you'll have to edit the post when the US price is announced, or post a second, redundant article.

Price? (1)

BiLlCaT (6758) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323083)

Another poster brought up the situation that Sony had when they tried selling the PS3 initially for $600. If the new Wii is anywhere near that price point, they are going to seriously flounder with this one. Nintendo has taken the throne as the king of casual console gaming. People will not flock to something viewed as a secondary entertainment option if it blows half-a-month's pay to acquire just the console. I bought a Wii at launch and I think I paid around $600-$700 for the Wii, a complete set of controllers (plus classic pads) and a pile of games. Nintendo will need to hit that sort of mark to make it enticing to "upgrade."

Re:Price? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323209)

There's no way it'll hit that. Even if they round the converted currencies up, it's still only $400 for the premium version.

Current speculation is $250 for the base model, $300 for the premium, with $60 for the xbox-like "Pro" controllers and $120- $150 for the tablet-like controllers (one of which is included with the console).

Re:Price? (1)

gman003 (1693318) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323285)

And the prices were just announced. $300 for the base model (8GB), $350 for the premium (32GB, a console stand, controller charger and a game). So, about half what the PS3 launched at.

Heere we go... (1)

llZENll (545605) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323135)

So what I'm understanding is its going to cost you $350 to play the 45th super Mario game, no thanks.

Re:Heere we go... (2)

StoneyMahoney (1488261) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323603)

Guess it's better than $500 to play the 22nd [insert long running franchise name here] game on the [insert name of other console here]. Franchises exist and you don't like them all. Get over it.

Re:Heere we go... (0)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323881)

So what I'm understanding is its going to cost you $350 to play the 45th super Mario game, no thanks.

But it might be in HD for the first time ever.... in 2012 even!

Lol. I'm with you. Wii owners would probably do better just buying those electric dust collectors. The data supports my joke. Fanatics hate data. Lol.

Photos (-1, Troll)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323137)

If anybody hasn't seen it yet, there's a photo here [mog.com] .

Interesting comment from analyst (1)

puddingebola (2036796) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323189)

"The price is probably set just above production costs so the company won't lose money," said Tomoaki Kawasaki, a Tokyo-based analyst at Iwai Cosmo Securities. "I'm paying close attention to whether there will be innovative software." Might this be just Nintendo pricing a new product at a level where the first kid on the block to have the new toy will be willing to spend, and the usual drop in price follows. But will there be something new here in the gaming experience, as with the Wii, that will make the gamer shell out the $?

nintendoom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323207)

let's rename them nintendoom.

Includes an HDMI Cable!? (1)

Sefi915 (580027) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323261)

Well hell, that saves me at least 99 bucks, or 1200 if I really wanted to be a true Monster hunter...

Re:Includes an HDMI Cable!? (1)

PRMan (959735) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323701)

Or $6 if you have a Fry's Electronics.

Not Quite Sure... (1)

StoneyMahoney (1488261) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323583)

...whether there's any advantage to springing for the premium console, besides the colour. Stands and charging stations will be pouring out of China PDQ. The internal storage difference means little when you factor in the SDHC card slot built into this thing. Can't say I can see anything else to fault, except perhaps the replacement price of that tablet if it gets busted. Nice it's backwards compatible with the old controllers, extends their useful life considerably (if the lifespan of this generation of consoles is anything to go by) and means any Wii'd up households are already half-way kitted out for launch day.

How to express how much I want to play Pikmin 3 without sounding like a child... hmm... can't do it. EEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee! :(

Gamecube games (1)

Richy_T (111409) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323605)

It's what's stopping me simply buying a new Wii to replace my black-screened Wii. For some reason, Nintendo took this feature out.

Can't wait for it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323669)

Dying to play some Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Yoshi...

Id rather have had creativity or originality. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323805)

Oh boy, a new tablet pad and more power. Big fucking deal. I would nintendo rather have shown some originality, some innovation, some sign of creativity instead to be perfectly honest.

My problem with nintendo is they havent had an original idea in literally decades.

1) Wiiu. Its a wii only with a new controller and its a tablet controller which is just taken from the recent rise in tablets like the ipad and fact everyone is jumping on the tablet bandwagon. But the wiiu is just a wii with a new controller, the wii was just a game cube with a new controller. The 3ds is just a dsi only with a 3d gimmick that was getting (at the time) with the movie industry before they 3ds even came out so again it was nintendo trying to play to a popular gimmick. But the 3ds is just a dsi, which is just a ds lite, which is just a ds and the 3ds xl is just a ds xl with each one being slightly upgraded. Nintendo just plays catch up with whats popular at the time but they pretend like they are pioneers or something.

2) Games. Every single game nintendo makes can be prefaced with "Another fucking" and it will work. For example: Another fucking mario game, another fucking pokemon game, another fucking zelda game. You see? See its funny because everyone bitches at EA, activision, ubisoft and so on for only making sequel after sequel after sequel but when nintendo does it they get on their knees with money in hand crying and praising nintendo and begging them to pinch off another hot steamy mario game in their mouths. Nintendo hasnt had a creative or original game in decades, all they do is just rehash the same old stuff over and over again with just a light new coat of paint each time, but you can still see its just the same old game.

Here is another entertaining look at my point. It paticullarly mentions mario. But it still illustrates my point about nintendo as a whole. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6147-Old-Man-Mario

Nintendo is a old, closed minded company. I grew up with the NES and gameboy when they were new and I loved nintendo. But I dont love them anymore because of simply how they are now. Ill buy a wii u in a year or so once some games have come out that are more just the same old shit and shovelware (those games will be mostly from atlus, nis I bet). So Im not writing them off, but thats too much money for yet another system based PURELY off of a gimmick and will have a shit load of terrible 3rd party games and all the 1st party games will just be the same old thing.

Im saving my money for the next playstation and xbox systems instead which wont be far behind. Ill get a wii u in a year and a half or so probablly. But I want a galaxy nexus 7, the ps3/360/pc/vita have a lot of games coming out soon I really want right and I have plenty to play still now, there is just too many other things to entertain me now that I want more than a wii u. So Ill come back in a couple years.

So to summarise (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 2 years ago | (#41323931)

Nintendo have produced a console which is about on par with a PS3 or 360 only 5 years too late and they slap a premium on the device even compared to their rivals. It's ludicrous. About the only thing special about the device is some crappy tablet-like device which is itself overpriced. I just hope people with Wiis gathering dust in their cupboard remember the fact that gimmicks do not make a console succeed, good high quality titles do.

At least for the time being all 3 consoles are about on par which means they'll probably all enjoy the same cross-platform titles although the lack of storage space is not going to endear them to 3rd parties selling DLC or even digital copies at all. I also expect that Nintendo's usual arrogance to 3rd parties will ensure that the whiff of shovelware will haunt the platform as much as it did and does their other devices.

The game lineup is definitely tempting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41323961)

Say what you will, the line up of exclusive games that the Wii U will have seems pretty impressive. Nintendo looks to have pretty big names in every category of games... This could be a pretty major system.

buyer beware... (-1, Flamebait)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 2 years ago | (#41324005)

Nintendo has said that the WiiU will be their last console.

Wii users generally bought less than a handful of titles, and played them for ver few hours, compared to other consoles with more broad development.

The "motion control" fad wave is passing.

Tablets are popular, at the moment, and look at those flashy WiiU controllers!
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Given the signifcance and blunt reality of these data points, I'm guessing this last console is a money grab. Buyer beware.

Console Wars/Fanboys Are Stupid (1)

DexPleiadian (634812) | more than 2 years ago | (#41324009)

I like video games. I have been playing since the Commodore 64. New consoles come out all the time. They cost money. Usually, at launch, they are not cheap. Competition has been good at keeping console prices in a decent range over the last 2 decades (considering inflation). That aside, much of the cost of this console can be disregarded when compared to buying most other new console releases.

Those of us who like to play video games and not just pretty (or ugly, muddy) colors and shapes probably purchased more than one system last generation. Those of us that bought a Wii will be able to use everything from the old console on the new one. That means that we don't have to buy controllers so that ALL our friends can play it with us when we bring it home. I will have an existing library of games to choose from in the Wii (from games I did not pick up yet to the ones currently in my collection) to play on this console. I will already be set to enjoy this console without spending much more than the cost of the new system and tablet package.

I will likely purchase many of the ports coming to this console, mainly because I don't have the mindset of a ravenous child and blow all my money on video games as soon as they are released (this works out great for me because then there are no "dry" periods for great games). That said, I am looking forward to playing Arkham City, AC: III, and possibly NG 3 (if they can resurrect it from the pile of trash it has been initially). There are other games that I want to get for this system but they (per normal) will have to wait (thus creating even more great games to fall back on at a later time).

I like Nintendo. I like Microsoft. At times, I can handle Sony. This is about video games. There is a good chance that your like holds no stake in the successes, failure, or image of these companies. Just play the games and quit whining about every little thing that you don't like about these different companies. If you don't like the company, don't buy the product. See how simple that is? Speak with your money. I don't want to see any of these companies stop making consoles. Want to know why? I don't want stagnated progress.

TL; DR: I don't care if you want a summary. Have fun with fun stuff. It is not serious business.

Text size on wiiu.dcemu.co.uk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41324049)

I know I'm not getting any younger, but seriously the text on their website is way too small.

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