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Alibaba Says Google Threatened Acer With Banishment From Android

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the they'd-have-to-use-windows-phone dept.

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Spy Handler writes "In a Microsoft-esque move, Google threatened Acer with banishment from Android if it went ahead with its new cellphone project with Alibaba (China's version of Amazon), using an OS called Aliyun. Acer has remained silent on the issue, but Alibaba reports that they received notification from Google, stating 'if the new product launch with Aliyun went ahead, Google would terminate Android product cooperation and related technical authorization with Acer.' A possible reason for Google's upset is that the Aliyun OS, which is not Android, can run Android apps as well as its own."

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Google is evil (-1, Flamebait)

DebianUbuntu (2729623) | about 2 years ago | (#41327205)

This just establishes the fact that Google is evil. Not only are they spying everything we do, they try to control the market with shit moves like this. I mean come on, do you have to repeat all the bad decisions Microsoft did?

I say we stop them. Let's break up the company. It's obviously too big. Since Google haven't themselves invented anything else than their search engine it's easy to break them apart. Liberate Android, YouTube, Chrome, Gmail, their video codec and so on.. they've all bought up other companies, anyway.

Do you hear that Google?

Do you hear the sounds?

These sounds are made by users. These sounds are break-up sounds. And we're only getting started!

To the barricades, Slashdotters!

Re:Google is evil (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327269)

You are an idiot.

Re:Google is evil (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327295)

Google fanboy detected

Re:Google is evil (5, Interesting)

marsu_k (701360) | about 2 years ago | (#41327293)

I'm not usually so keen to call upon these - but a user with only two posts, with a seemingly Linux-friendly nick, not a subscriber apparently but still manages two posts within a minute of the story being released, another one of those recommending Bing of all things... Just doesn't seem quite genuine to me. Not that I disagree with this being dickish, if true.

You would rather be spied on by the Chinese? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327367)

The entire mobile phone ecosystem is evil, starting with the carriers.

Re:Google is evil (0)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#41327371)

Why did you make a new account just to post on this story?

Why not use one of your other ones, one with a posting history?

Re:Google is evil (1)

Maho Shoujo (2729697) | about 2 years ago | (#41327535)

How are you supposed to build a posting history if you can't post without a posting history though?

I'm not him by the way, he's a shill.

Re:Google is evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327601)

Why the fuck did you make a new account?

Re:Google is evil (1, Interesting)

Maho Shoujo (2729697) | about 2 years ago | (#41327623)

I stopped posting for a few months because i was being stalked by APK anyway, then I forgot the password and I've changed email addresses since then.

Re:Google is evil (1, Informative)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#41327607)

How are you supposed to build a posting history if you can't post without a posting history though?

Do you really think this is the first time this person has posted here?

New account has only posted to this story.

Posted the very second one was able to post even though this account is not a subscriber.

Has a very linux sounding username, but is very obviously shilling for microsoft.

I don't accuse every fanbois of being a shill, just those who follow that M.O.

Re:Google is evil (3, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#41327457)

This just establishes the fact that Google is not necessarily evil.

FTFY

Aliyun (alien?) is clearly written in code lifted from Android without Google's permission. While Android sources are available, that doesn't mean you can just take the source, change it as you see fit and sell it as your own. Pretty shoddy of Acer.

Re:Google is evil (5, Interesting)

evandrofisico (933918) | about 2 years ago | (#41327571)

Truth is, as most of the code on android is apache licenced or GPL (as the kernel) there is no need to ask google's permission to make anything with it. The only parts of the operating system that are under a non-permissive licence that can be considered a showstoper would be the "brand" apps, as gmail, youtube and the google play store.

Re:Google is evil (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 2 years ago | (#41327691)

Errr, isn't that what Amazon did?

Re:Google is evil (2)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41327699)

Actually yes they can as long as they don't remove copyrights from the source or misuse Google's trademarks. Why would they need Google's permission to use and sell Apache v2 code when the license carries no such restriction?

Re:Google is evil (3, Informative)

TheRealGrogan (1660825) | about 2 years ago | (#41327741)

Whoosh? (I was hoping you're being sarcastic)

Of course you can "take the source, change it as you see fit and sell it as your own" (your own product, not the source files) as long as you meet the obligations of the license (which would boil down to GPL for most of it). There is no need to italicize the word "sell" either, because free software licenses don't require products based on the source code to be distributed for zero cost.

There is nothing that says you have to meet the obligation of the license right away either, because until you actually distribute your product, you're not even in violation. After such time the bare minimum (assuming GPL) would be to honour written requests to have the source code made available. Even that doesn't have to be for zero cost.

That's an evil move of Microsoft proportions, for Google to threaten Acer like that. It's just like what Microsoft did to IBM over OS/2.

Re:Google is evil (1)

mbkennel (97636) | about 2 years ago | (#41327753)

"While Android sources are available, that doesn't mean you can just take the source, change it as you see fit and sell it as your own."

Is it GPL or not? If it is, then yes you can do just that

We don't have the "why" from Google. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327549)

So, this smidgeon of news doesn't establish anything.

They have a considerable investment in maintaining and augmenting Android, and BTW they did give it away free to the world. So if those people that got it for free want Google to spend REAL dollars supporting them, Google gets to ask for something in return. Like "don't fork this, create your own mess of of a highly complex O/S development project and make it our developers problem to sift out all the complaints that are fork-specific from the ones that aren't."

Android isn't your Daddy's script file library. It's big, complicated and expensive to adapt to all the latest hardware, which it runs on. This makes development a significant effort. If you want to compare this to our "purist" OpenSource methods, ask an iPaq enthusiast how long it took to get a newly released iPaq fully functional using GPE. I was always on my second LithIon battery by the time it worked well enough to use.

I'm going to get all the facts before I judge them. And then I'm still not using Bing :p

Re:We don't have the "why" from Google. (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 2 years ago | (#41327705)

errr, who's asking Google to support this phone or this copycat OS?

Re:We don't have the "why" from Google. (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#41327725)

We don't have the "why" from Google. So, this smidgeon of news doesn't establish anything.

Indeed, nothing from Acer either. All we have is a statement from Alibaba that is light on concrete facts... Actually, all we have is a *random website* that say Alibaba said this or that.

Folks, there is nothing to see here.

Re:Google is evil (2, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41327645)

Oh, look:
1) Brand new user.
2) Posts within the same minute the story appears.
3) Post has more text in it than can be typed in one minute.
4) Is full of irrational Google hate.

Yep folks, the irrational Google hater is back. From the tone of the posts, I'm not even sure anymore that he is a paid shill (they tend to be a bit more even keeled and dispassionate), and instead think that someone has an obsession with Google and his panties in a wad over the fact that no one else agrees with his arguments.

Next, I expect a petulant crap flood of GNAA posts and other AC shenanigans.

These sounds are made by users.

No, they're made by a single, obsessive and whiny nutbag. Go away.

Re:Google is evil (1)

Eponymous Hero (2090636) | about 2 years ago | (#41327797)

possibly he's selling said panties on ebay for a profit.

Google's DICK MOVE (0)

SquarePixel (1851068) | about 2 years ago | (#41327207)

I trusted you Google. I trusted you to be better than this. You weren't.

Anyone want to suggest any other search engines?

Re:Google's DICK MOVE (-1, Troll)

DebianUbuntu (2729623) | about 2 years ago | (#41327225)

Sure, here you go:

Bing [bing.com]
or the awesome DuckDuckGo [duckduckgo.com] (also uses Bing, but many slashdotters like it more than Bing)

Re:Google's DICK MOVE (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327351)

Anyone want to suggest any other search engines?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=search+engines [lmgtfy.com]

Microsoftesque? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327245)

They could still use Android all they wanted if they did this, Google just wasn't going to go out of their way to help them. Don't they have the right to pick and choose who they work with?

Re:Microsoftesque? (0, Troll)

DebianUbuntu (2729623) | about 2 years ago | (#41327277)

Just like you could use Microsoft's products when selling computers, you just wouldn't get any special treatment or prices.. it's completely same situation. Google is evil.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327337)

No, because Android is free, and Google doesn't work with most OEMs. They only work with a very, very few OEMs, and only on one or two devices. Motorola Xoom, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, etc... those are the devices Google worked with OEMs on. Asus Transformer, Sony Xperia, Galaxy SIII - Google didn't do shit for those devices. Google hasn't worked with Acer on any devices so far - the relationship between those two seems weak at best.

This sounds like a blame game by Alibaba. Google has certainly not blocked "forks" or skins of Android, why would they try and block a completely different OS? Samsung makes WP7 phones, for example. Google hasn't tried blocking Amazon's Fire in any way.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327357)

> Asus Transformer, Sony Xperia, Galaxy SIII - Google didn't do shit for those devices

Oh, those don't have the Google Play store?

Because Google decides who gets that.

NOPE (4, Informative)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327625)

Google Play works just great with Cyanogenmod, and google didn't "decide".

YEP (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327701)

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Latest_Version/Google_Apps

Google Apps contain the proprietary Google applications that come pre-installed with most android devices. Due to licensing restrictions, these apps cannot come pre-installed with CyanogenMod and must be installed separately. CyanogenMod does not require Google Apps to function properly, however, to take full advantage of the Android system, Google Apps are recommended.
--
For anyone not targeting modders that are willing to look this type of thing up, not being licensed to have the official Google apps bundled on what you sell to users is a serious drawback.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41327373)

Special prices?

You do know Android is free, right? And yes, it makes a big difference if you're an OEM if you have to pay full price for Windows, or the rates paid by Dell et al ($200ish+ vs $50. Big difference.)

Re:Microsoftesque? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327333)

It means far more than that. Can't use the trademarks, can't ship devices with Google Play, etc. All because Google is being a petulant bitch.

Re:Microsoftesque? (5, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41327505)

it would mean shipping it with no play store, with no google music and so forth...

(android isn't exactly free if you want to be "authorized", which means shipping with googles apps and googles api's, and yes there's a subset of the android api's that is for google approved devices only)

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327635)

You mean just like the kindle and the nook?

Neither has android branding and both have good sales.

Re:Microsoftesque? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327761)

And both are backed by entities that have the capability of running their own app stores because they're set up for content distribution, quite unlike Acer.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

kidgenius (704962) | about 2 years ago | (#41327649)

And your point is.... CM doesn't come with google apps. Nor do Amazon devices. Nor does anything running MIUI If you want the app store, you play by google's rules. You want to go your own way, feel free. There are other Android app stores that Acer could ship with.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41327719)

At least in the case of CM, people do tend to flash gapps.

Amazon offers another store, and the nook is just a nice device to install CM on.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#41327637)

They could still use Android all they wanted if they did this, Google just wasn't going to go out of their way to help them. Don't they have the right to pick and choose who they work with?

The key difference being that Microsoft never pretended their OS was "free" and/or "open" as Google has done.

Re:Microsoftesque? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41327739)

Android is still apache licensed.

Not helping someone is not the same as hindering them.

Restraint of Trade (2, Interesting)

Brett Buck (811747) | about 2 years ago | (#41327265)

IANAL, but I think this represents restraint of trade. So not only is it (arguably) evil (TM) it likely also illegal.

      Brett

Re:Restraint of Trade (0)

DebianUbuntu (2729623) | about 2 years ago | (#41327323)

Yes, I agree with you. This is not only evil move, it's ILLEGAL move.

Re:Restraint of Trade (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41327385)

No it is not you stupid troll.

Google owns the trademarks and can do with them as they like. They also have no reason to support a competitor.

Acer can still go ahead and make this device if they want to, android is open. Google is under no requirement to help them.

Re:Restraint of Trade (5, Insightful)

Antipater (2053064) | about 2 years ago | (#41327383)

Not giving special treatment =/= restraint of trade.

Re:Restraint of Trade (5, Insightful)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 2 years ago | (#41327497)

^This

Google has agreements and partnerships with various manufacturers to work with them and help them with Android. That hasn't stopped other companies, such as Amazon, from taking Android and running with it on their own. After all, it's supposed to be an open OS, so anyone can use it for anything at all that they want, really. If Acer is breaking an exclusivity agreement on which their Android partnership with Google is based, Google may simply be reminding/threatening them with the consequences of doing so, but that doesn't mean that Acer will be locked out of Android, just that they will no longer have a partnership with Google, which, once again, is hardly a deal-breaker.

Is it evil? Sure. Illegal, however? IANAL, but I find it doubtful.

Re:Restraint of Trade (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327795)

Assuming it's true, I don't think it's evil. Shouldn't Google have every right to refuse to help a company who tries to undercut them? It's not like Google could be saying they'll stop Acer from using Android... Google can't stop them. But Google has every right to say "if you try to damage the growth of our OS, we're not going to help you".

Re:Restraint of Trade (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41327507)

It's probably neither.

This story doesn't ultimately make any sense whatsoever. Other Google partners produce phones that don't run Android, and the idea that this has something to do with the new OS merely running arbitrary APKs is ridiculous.

Re:Restraint of Trade (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41327641)

It's probably neither.

This story doesn't ultimately make any sense whatsoever. Other Google partners produce phones that don't run Android, and the idea that this has something to do with the new OS merely running arbitrary APKs is ridiculous.

none of them produce a device that isn't android but runs android apps.

Re:Restraint of Trade (2)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327711)

cyanogenmod installs on devices without android branding and gives you full access to google services.

Re:Restraint of Trade (2)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41327793)

Other Google partners produce phones that don't run Android, and the idea that this has something to do with the new OS merely running arbitrary APKs is ridiculous.

Bull Shit. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327327)

Is there *any* proof of this whatsoever? Forgive me if I don't take Alibaba's word for it.

Re:Bull Shit. (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41327379)

Yeah, how exactly would google be cutting Acer off? Android is open source.

I suppose they might cut off support services, if Acer has some kind of contract in place for that.

It sounds like Acer was backing out of a deal with Alibaba and it was easier to say "Can't help you bro, Google is threatening to cut me off."

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327469)

Google can cut Acer off by not licensing the Google Apps package. A phone that ships without Google Play is not going to appeal to many.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#41327521)

Which android devices can you not install Google Play on?

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

bedroll (806612) | about 2 years ago | (#41327545)

I bet Amazon would be interested in providing the default app store.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41327553)

Amazon seems to be doing pretty well selling their own tablets that have Android installed but no Google app stack. Very, very, well. As in second only to iPad in sales.

From my point of view, I want the Google apps, largely because I have a bunch of apps bought already, and when it became easy enough I installed Jellybean on my Kindle Fire as a result. But I'm the exception - generally people are happy as long as they can get apps, and Google has craploads of competitors in the app store* space.

* Apple's trademark lawyers can fuck themselves.

Re:Bull Shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327515)

Yeah, how exactly would google be cutting Acer off?

No access to Google Play, at a time when the FBI, Interpol, and God Knows Who Else are flexing their intellectual property muscles and killing-off alternative app marketplaces like flies.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

kidgenius (704962) | about 2 years ago | (#41327681)

Yeah, that Amazon app store is under real threat....

Re:Bull Shit. (3, Informative)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#41327575)

Yeah, how exactly would google be cutting Acer off? Android is open source.

Incorrect. Android is NOT open source. Android is a commercially licensed mobile OS. Google does however provide the same source code under an open-source license called the Android Open Source Project, or AOSP.

The difference between the two are very minor code-wise, but commercial access wise, they're much bigger.

First, the commercially available Android is for partners only - while Google traditionally works with a partner to release a flagship phone with the latest OS, the other partners often have early access to the new code prior to Google releasing it on AOSP. (And as we saw with Honeycomb, Google can prevent partners from releasing the code to AOSP. Google has also applied source code distribution restrictions on who may access Honeycomb source under what conditions).

Second, and more importantly, being a partner also allows you to license the Google Apps. So if you wanted the Play store, the only way you can include it in your image would be to be a commercially licensed partner. Otherwise you would have to release it without the Google Apps, and your users will have to manually install the Play store marketplace themselves (like what you do with Cyanogen).

Doing this means that Acer's tablets and phones would be like the random Chinese tablets and phones running AOSP - sure they run Android, but that's about it - you'd have to find and install the marketplace yourself (not sure if it requires root?).

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327671)

HOW EXACTLY then does cyanogenmod manage to take the source code and create a version of android that WORKS JUST FINE WITH GOOGLE APPS? They have NO LICENSE.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

jonnythan (79727) | about 2 years ago | (#41327713)

By linking to people who illegally distribute the Google binaries. They used to provide them directly before Google threatened a lawsuit.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327769)

you are telling us that cyanogenmod is illegal?

Re:Bull Shit. (0)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41327581)

Yeah, how exactly would google be cutting Acer off? Android is open source.

I suppose they might cut off support services, if Acer has some kind of contract in place for that.

It sounds like Acer was backing out of a deal with Alibaba and it was easier to say "Can't help you bro, Google is threatening to cut me off."

you dickweeds should take a look at android sdk sometime, some of the api's are for googles friends only(gmaps and such).

and you think play store client is oss, free to include for everyone who wants? google could very well successfully threaten and actually cut acers android offerings to be third rate devices. I seriously doubt that Acer would like to go Amazon way and do their own appstore and cut off a significant portion of android apps from working on their devices(or asking people to aftermarket install the play store client to get their angry birds fix).

true, there's some chinese android boxes and such which do include googles stuff without authorization... but those are chinese android boxes by manufacturers who don't give a fuck about including sw they don't have copyrights on their boxes.

Re:Bull Shit. (0)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327689)

hahaha

you can install android on a Barnes and Noble Nook WITH NO ANDROID BRANDING and then you have FULL ACCESS to Google services.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

kidgenius (704962) | about 2 years ago | (#41327785)

How about Acer go the Amazon way and talk to Amazon about shipping the Amazon Appstore on their Acer devices? If Acer doesn't like any of those options, then they have an easy solution....make their own OS. Of course, they will run into the same problem with regards to app stores, etc. Where does it say Google is required to let everyone and anyone have access to the Play store? Why is Google "EVIL" for not allowing it?

Re:Bull Shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327589)

Yeah, how exactly would google be cutting Acer off? Android is open source.

Not everything in Android is open source; a lot of people wouldn't buy their products if apps like Google Play or Gmail weren't included in their devices.

That said, it is very unlikely that anyone at Google would be upset because another OS can use Android apps.

Re:Bull Shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327603)

Yeah, how exactly would google be cutting Acer off? Android is open source....

That is true, the OS is open source, but you need a license agreement in place to distribute all of the google apps (i.e. gmail, google maps, goggles, talk, etc. etc.) with your device/rom. You WILL NOT be able to make a commercially succesful tablet / phone once you lose the right to bundle those apps stock!

This is why many of the chinese knockoffs don't come with google apps installed, and you often have to download the apps pacakges separately from custom ROM images.

Re:Bull Shit. (1)

FranTaylor (164577) | about 2 years ago | (#41327747)

Step 1. Open your new device
Step 2: click here to install android functionality

problem solved

do evil (0)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about 2 years ago | (#41327329)

They're just following the company motto. What's the motta with that?

inb4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327347)

A literal flood of google apologists and shills.

Re:inb4 (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41327399)

A literal one? I'll get my rain coat. Or maybe a bunker would be better.

Re:inb4 (1)

Jeng (926980) | about 2 years ago | (#41327421)

Yes, but you were in after the MS trolls and shills created new accounts and started posting bullshit beginning with the first post.

I wouldn't mind the shills too much if they would just keep to one damn account and not create an entirely new account to shill with for each story.

Apple is still more evil! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327387)

iPhone 5 sucks, amirite guise, heh?!

Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327391)

Don't get your panties in a knot, Google haters.

Willing to bet money that this OS is a fork of the android codebase (It's from china, runs google aps, really a no brainer). While a legitimate use of the open source software, you might understand why google would be sour on Acer's moves.

Google makes money on android by creating business partnerships with android device makers(and carriers) to provide Google premium services that run on the andriod platform (Play store, maps, ad services, etc) You can buy a non-google partnered android device, the andriod code is free and open source, but they generally suck. (You have to hack in the play store and whatnot)

Google is threatening to pull their agreement with Acer over this knockoff OS, which is just plain business sense. Why would they want to support Acer when Acer is trying to cut them out of a revenue stream? Acer could continue to make android devices, but they'd be considerably less desirable without the google services.

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327443)

Why would Microsoft want to support other browsers when Mozilla is trying to cut them out of a revenue stream? Mozilla could continue to make software, but it'd be considerably less desirable without the Microsoft operating system.

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41327487)

WTF are you trying to say?

Google is not going to stop them from using android, but it will not help them to turn android into another OS either. Quite different than not allowing software to run on an OS.

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (2)

accessbob (962147) | about 2 years ago | (#41327573)

I was merely wondering how Androidy Alyun is going to turn out to be.

Google aren't, as far as I know, bullying RIMs OEMs, so I wondered how much more of a threat Aliyun is to them.

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41327617)

RIM is not using android in anyway. Nor is it assisting them.

To suggest you might remove support is not bullying. It is merely a statement that you want to end a partnership.

I think Google would like to avoid a ChinaKindle if possible. They sure as hell would not want to help create such a thing.

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (2)

accessbob (962147) | about 2 years ago | (#41327737)

RIM's new OS is not Android BUT IT CAN RUN Android apps http://developer.blackberry.com/android/ [blackberry.com]

That's why I find it an interesting comparison

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (1)

AtomicDevice (926814) | about 2 years ago | (#41327541)

I don't think microsoft is doing a whole lot to support mozilla, they just don't actively shut it down. Google doesn't have to pay engineers to help acer if they don't want, microsoft sure doesn't pay mozilla engineers.

Re:Probably and andriod fork/knockoff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327615)

Close troll, but no jimmies rustled. Your analogy is flawed.

Windows isn't free. I can't get a free/OSS version of windows without(or with) IE. I can get a free/oss copy of andriod.
Microsoft used price discrimination with windows licensing as a tool to control other markets.

Phone makers can use andriod regardless of bundled services, or even bundle their own. Some even do. Most choose to partner with google because google provides the best services. Google is threatening Acer when Acer is effectively trying to sell competing services. (Plain Jane run of the mill business politics) The OS itself is not a factor.

Uhm, proof? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327401)

In a tabloid-esque move, /. posts a summary in which it treats an unilateral allegation as fact.

TFA at least makes it clear that Alibaba is making a unilateral claim and that neither Acer nor Google have commented on it. Furthermore, TFA makes it apparent that Alibaba is offering no letter, email, or voicemail as proof that Google told Acer to nix the deal.

Whereas the /. summary contains this line: "Acer has remained silent on the issue, but Alibaba reports that they received notification from Google, stating 'if the new product launch with Aliyun went ahead, Google would terminate Android product cooperation and related technical authorization with Acer.'" Which makes it sound as though Google made the threat to Alibaba directly, which isn't even what Alibaba is claiming.

Look, I'm not a big fan of Google. I think they very frequently ignore their own "don't be evil" advice. But I'm also not a fan very of sloppy editing and poor journalism. Come on /., put more effort in creating your summaries.

Re:Uhm, proof? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327463)

neither Acer nor Google have commented on it

Neither the bully or the bullied would talk, eh? I wonder why...

Open (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327409)

But don't worry. Google are still totally open.

Re:Open (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41327511)

Yes, AOSP is still apache licensed.

Acer can feel free to use it, just no support from Google. Assuming this is true at all.

Re:Open (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327721)

Yes, but the association with - and support from - Google is what makes Android appealing. Not that it's open. So Google are cynically leveraging the term to their own ends here.

Win 3.X and OS/2 Parallel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327419)

IBM did the same thing with OS/2 and 16 bit MS programs. Windows won, OS/2 lost because everyone could still code for one and get both. Google dosnt really have anything to worry about if you watch history repeat itself.

It's normal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327451)

They are just protecting themselves. That new OS can run Android apps, of course it would be cockblocked by Google. The same could be said if Linux supported windows applications right after installation.

Fragmentation (1)

puddingebola (2036796) | about 2 years ago | (#41327465)

Really gives fragmentation a whole new meaning don't it?

Jut lie M, jsut without any (5, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41327483)

actual evidence.

Not the I expect much from the troll known as Timothy.

Re:Jut lie M, jsut without any (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 2 years ago | (#41327513)

err.. troll editor known as Timothy.

Which Android Apps? (2)

accessbob (962147) | about 2 years ago | (#41327493)

Sounds similar to RIM's new BlackBerry OS, that can run Android apps too, but not everything. Does Aliyun have the same restrictions?

Author Legitimacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327567)

Nearly all of the author's articles are pro Apple or anti Google/Android, save for a few about cameras.

what about using AOSP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327633)

Couldn't they do that and remove any android name reference, and release the code to still comply with the license?

Single Source (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 2 years ago | (#41327647)

There is only a single source for this. That source is a company that is looking for publicity for a product they are producing which they hope to have compete in a marketplace where the established players (Ios from Apple, Android from Googloe) have both a relatively polished product and position to control "mindshare". This makes me somewhat suspicious of the story.

Just goes to show you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327653)

Goes to show you what happens when you let a bunch of faggots run your phone company.

*if* true... (1)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about 2 years ago | (#41327669)

And no comments from anyone at Google and Acer...

It would seem a bit hypocritical to say "don't run against our ABI" after their line of defense was "ABIs are so generic" in the Java/Dalvik case.

Listen. Can you hear it?... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327675)

It's the gentle splash of Google fanboi tears.

Who is Alibaba? (2)

mynameiskhan (2689067) | about 2 years ago | (#41327773)

You all trust Alibaba, the guy who swindled from 40 thieves? What has become of us all ? "In Swindlers We Trust". PS: You can replace 'Alibaba', '40 thieves' and 'Swindlers' with whatever you want... Google... anything.

Whats the big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41327791)

If it's true, whats the big deal? Acer is under no obligation to follow Google nor does Google have an obligation to help Acer if they direction doesn't help Google. It's perfectly acceptable for both companies to part ways. Now, not getting help from Google may make it very difficult for Acer since they are pretty much the authority to go to for help but it doesn't make it impossible as Acer obviously would have delve into the Android code and hopefully have decent programmers on their side.

It's on the internet, so it must be true (1)

wcrowe (94389) | about 2 years ago | (#41327799)

Looks like a complete cock-and-bull story.

C'mon Slashdot editors. Take two minutes and check this stuff out first.

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