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YouTube Refuses To Remove Anti-Islamic Film Clip

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the people-will-be-mad-whatever-you-decide dept.

Censorship 622

Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that Google officials have rejected the notion of removing a video that depicts the prophet as a fraud and philanderer and has been blamed for sparking violence at U.S. embassies in Cairo and Benghazi. Google says the video does not violate YouTube's policies, but they did restrict viewers in Egypt and Libya from loading it due to the special circumstances in the country. Google's response to the crisis highlighted the struggle faced by the company, and others like it, to balance free speech with legal and ethical concerns in an age when social media can impact world events. 'This video – which is widely available on the Web – is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube,' Google said in a statement. 'However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt, we have temporarily restricted access in both countries.' Underscoring Google's quandary, some digital free expression groups have criticized YouTube for censoring the video. Eva Galperin of the Electronic Frontier Foundation says given Google' s strong track record of protecting free speech, she was surprised the company gave in to pressure to selectively block the video. 'It is extremely unusual for YouTube to block a video in any country without it being a violation of their terms of service or in response to a valid legal complaint,' says Galperin. 'I'm not sure they did the right thing.'"

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Just let them kill each other, then we get peace (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339467)

Amen! Bro!

Re:Just let them kill each other, then we get peac (1, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#41339717)

I agree if you talk at all the people believing in the same God. You know, Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Re:Just let them kill each other, then we get peac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339799)

I wonder if Larry and Sergei, both jews, would take issue with a video revealing just how insidious jewish activity is in global politics, the nature of jewish control over the US economy and political space and the belief held by jews that it is jewish destiny to dominate the world militarily. I wonder how they would react to a documentary showing just how much contempt jews have for all non-jews.

If you want an extremist religion that encourages its adherent to hold all others in contempt, judaism is the real place to look. Rabbis have come straight out and said that it is moral for jews to kill healthy non-jews in order to harvest organs. Here are a few links for starters:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/05/rabbis-who-endorsed-the-murder-of-non-jewish-babies-wont-be-prosecuted-ag-says-345.html [typepad.com]
http://coteret.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/ [coteret.com]

Re:Just let them kill each other, then we get peac (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339889)

And here comes the neo-nazis.

Re:Just let them kill each other, then we get peac (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339723)

I wonder if Larry and Sergei, both jews, would take issue with a video revealing just how insidious jewish activity is in global politics, the nature of jewish control over the US economy and political space and the belief held by jews that it is jewish destiny to dominate the world militarily. I wonder how they would react to a documentary showing just how much contempt jews have for all non-jews.

If you want an extremist religion that encourages its adherent to hold all others in contempt, judaism is the real place to look. Rabbis have come straight out and said that it is moral for jews to kill healthy non-jews in order to harvest organs. Here are a few links for starters:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/05/rabbis-who-endorsed-the-murder-of-non-jewish-babies-wont-be-prosecuted-ag-says-345.html [typepad.com]
http://coteret.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/ [coteret.com]

Idiots like you are the problem ... (1, Flamebait)

GoblinKing (6434) | about 2 years ago | (#41339859)

I wonder if Larry and Sergei, both jews, would take issue with a video revealing just how insidious jewish activity is in global politics, the nature of jewish control over the US economy and political space and the belief held by jews that it is jewish destiny to dominate the world militarily. I wonder how they would react to a documentary showing just how much contempt jews have for all non-jews.

If you want an extremist religion that encourages its adherent to hold all others in contempt, judaism is the real place to look. Rabbis have come straight out and said that it is moral for jews to kill healthy non-jews in order to harvest organs. Here are a few links for starters:

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2012/05/rabbis-who-endorsed-the-murder-of-non-jewish-babies-wont-be-prosecuted-ag-says-345.html [typepad.com]
http://coteret.com/2009/11/09/settler-rabbi-publishes-the-complete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/ [coteret.com]

Wow... where to begin?

I would love for you to educate me on how Jews are insidiously infiltrating and controlling world politics considering the number of stone-age countries with outright mandates on Israel's destruction.

Please explain to me how Jews control the US economy (have you seen the US economy? whomever is in control is doing a crappy job).

I would love for you to explain to me how you came to the conclusion that is it the Jewish destiny to dominate the world militarily (seeing as Jews make up a tiny fraction of the world population)...

I can recall maybe one or two extremist Jews that resorted to violence to make their point. I never hear of Jewish suicide bombers killing dozens of innocent non-Jews because their "leaders" told them that they would be rewarded in the afterlife or that their religious doctrine says it's OK to commit mass murder...

Speaking as a Jew ... I only have contempt for idiots like you and religious zealots who can only speak the language of violence. Obviously why you are posting anonymously (or trolling).

It's already out there... (4, Insightful)

AmazingRuss (555076) | about 2 years ago | (#41339479)

... google taking it down wouldn't help at this point.

Re:It's already out there... (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about 2 years ago | (#41339837)

... google taking it down wouldn't help at this point.

Doesn't matter anyway, most of these protesters are taking it word of mouth from word of mouth from word of mouth. Few have likely seen it. Few even stop to consider if it even has merit (being seen to think for yourself can be hazardous to your health in some circles.)

It is unfortunate, but nothing new to Christians who have seen their faith run through the artistic expression and philosophical (to say nothing of the internet trolling) wringers. Perhaps there would be some good if it got some people to think, but see above. The people who tell these people to be angry like their control over them.

Re:It's already out there... (5, Interesting)

Deekin_Scalesinger (755062) | about 2 years ago | (#41339867)

Nor should they. There is freedom of speech in the US, and Google is a US based company. I have little sympathy for those "revolting" in other countries over stuff like this. Muslims who kill because their beliefs are mocked by others are horrible. Catholics who bomb abortion clinics and kill workers there are horrible. Germans who supported ethnic cleansing back in the day were/are horrible. In short, once you start to affect other people with violence, you turn horrible.

Copyright (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 years ago | (#41339483)

If only the religious zealots realized all they had to do was lodge a false DMCA claim through a bot...

Re:Copyright (1, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 2 years ago | (#41339657)

Who modded this funny? Mod it +5 Insightful / +5 Informative.

Unfortunately... (5, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#41339711)

Unfortunately, the religious zealots are not the problem here. Religious zealots are a minority, both of the rioters and in general. The religious zealots certainly would be content to see the videos removed, and much as I would criticize them for that sort of censorship, at least nobody would be killed.

The rioters were angry before the video was posted. The video was nothing more than an excuse (perhaps to themselves) for this sort of behavior; it could just as easily have been a book, idiotic comments by some preacher, a bomb dropped by the air force hitting a day school, etc. I doubt that most of the rioters had even heard of the video prior to hearing of riots elsewhere, and I doubt that most of them have even seen the video.

Re:Unfortunately... (4, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#41339793)

The religious zealots certainly would be content to see the videos removed

No they wouldn't. The video was just a vessel to guide their anger. And only one in a long succession at that. If the video had never been made they would have found some other reason to be offended.

Re:Unfortunately... (0)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#41339883)

They want to be left alone, I say grant them their wish.

Re:Unfortunately... (0)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 2 years ago | (#41339855)

I do not hear of this majority calling them to stop; saying, "you stop this nonsense right now, this is no way to behave." They are spoiled -- spoiled by the fact that while the minority is responsible for action, the majority sits back and lets them do it. And they do it because there's no moral calling from their religion to make peace with us.

The Iranian Mir-Hossein Mousavi election protests a while back? The government struck down hard against them.

I don't see the moderate Muslim population turning out en masse and saying, "Make peace not war." But then again maybe they fear their lives if they condemn these violent actions -- which, if true, should go to show you just how much in control your majority is.

Re:Unfortunately... (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#41339949)

Unfortunately, the religious zealots are not the problem here. Religious zealots are a minority, both of the rioters and in general.

If the rioters are not religious zealots, what exactly are they rioting about?

The video was nothing more than an excuse (perhaps to themselves) for this sort of behavior

Anyone who uses offense to their religion as an excuse to commit violence is a religious zealot.

I doubt that most of them have even seen the video.

That's even worse. If "hey, I heard some guy in another country made a video that insults our prophet" is enough to get you to storm the embassy and murder people, that's not just religious zealotry that's extreme religious zealotry.

Great Response... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339491)

Restrict the video only in places where they can't handle the freedom of speech without maniacal violence. Google got it right for the first time in a while.

Re:Great Response... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339585)

No, let the assholes see it and get used to it because it's here to stay. And fuck the US Governent condemning it like it did with those cartoons. It started with Bush's bullshit that Islam is the "religion of peace" and continues to this day. It's not.

The actual trailer is just stupid. Better is Sam Harris Fundamentals of Islam (9 min):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YDKv7xudLE [youtube.com]

or the full version (82 mins):
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EndofFa [c-spanvideo.org]

sam Harris doesn't get it. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339815)

I love Harris and Dawkins. But they don't get it. They think that religious belief can be disputed on a rational level.

It cannot.

Religion appeals to our emotional primitive brain. That is why you have people who can build atom bombs and understand the physics of it still believe in the Biblical god. They have the intellectual ability - more than I - to dispute on rational and logical grounds why the Biblical God is as likely to exist as the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus, and yet they do.

And it's just not the Biblical God. Humans are predsposed to have magical thoughts. Whether it's making a deal with the Universe, Karma, or anything else for a better life or what have you. It's our brain that want's to see patterns where none exist it's our brains unable to accept that this is all there is. There must be something more to life than eating, fucking and shitting. Hence, for modern people the stubborn belief in God and other superstitions.

Re:Great Response... (2, Insightful)

toriver (11308) | about 2 years ago | (#41339873)

Islam is just "version 3" of the same desert fairy tales that Christians and Jews believe in. Many of the "opponents" to Islam are just the deluded worshipers of the other two not liking the competition.

Re:Great Response... (1)

joelsanda (619660) | about 2 years ago | (#41339691)

Restrict the video only in places where they can't handle the freedom of speech without maniacal violence. Google got it right for the first time in a while.

That would make for a mighty small internet in most places.

Terrible precedent (4, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#41339745)

What happens when someone says, "That video might cause people to revolt against their government!" -- does Google take that down too?

Either we have free speech, or we do not have free speech. If Google is going to be the service provider for an important communications medium, they need to respect free speech. The video did not say, "Go out and riot." People who were already angry saw the video and exploded.

The Chinese government claims their censorship is to keep the peace as well. How ironic for Google to follow that same logic, after all they went through with China...

Terrible Response (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339801)

Lets say you are some person in that country trying to make up your mind about how bad the video really is. Your religious neighbor says it is the worst form of blasphemy ever.

Pre Google Ban, you could have watched it and said "well this sucks and is stupid, why should I care about this?"

Now they have no choice but to believe the neighbor, perhaps go out and protest as a result.

Blocking the truth from view never makes things better, especially in a situation where so many seek to inflate the importance of a single video.

Good. They're keeping it up. (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#41339495)

Google is showing some spine. Good.

I've seen the movie. It's not very well produced, but it's better than 80% of the non-pirated stuff on YouTube.

Re:Good. They're keeping it up. (5, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41339611)

I haven't seen it, and, frankly, I don't even care what's in it. But if it provokes this kind of reaction from religious fanatics, it's done right.

Re:Good. They're keeping it up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339891)

It is the most cheesy, most poorly acted, movie you have ever seen.

And it was all over-dubbed. The actors had no idea they were making a movie about Mohhamed.

Re:Good. They're keeping it up. (1)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#41339945)

I just watched it. Well, part of it at least. It was so painful to watch that I had to stop after a minute or so.

I have to believe that this movie is just an excuse to get rowdy. You would have to be an idiot to actually get so angry over such a laughably bad film.

Good (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339499)

Mahummad was a pedophile.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339549)

And what's so wrong with being a pedophile? It's not like they are Muslims or something.

Re:Good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339555)

Why is this modded -1? Other than the misspelling it is true.

Re:Good (2)

bhlowe (1803290) | about 2 years ago | (#41339605)

If you quote the Quoran, can it still be called hate speech?

Re:Good (1)

mythix (2589549) | about 2 years ago | (#41339695)

I agree with you, not with your spelling

Re:Good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339633)

Since he wasn't well-endowed by his creator, does it even count?

Re:Good (4, Interesting)

toriver (11308) | about 2 years ago | (#41339699)

Are you sure about that? He married an 8-year old for political reasons, but stayed married to her long after she reached maturity. If he was a pedophile, would he not have ditched her for another child instead?

(Child brides were rather common in the Christian Middle ages as well; the concepts of pedophilia and age of consent are relatively modern and secular, largely based on women's rights campaigners. In many religions children - in particular girls - are almost treated as property. Remember the Old Testament: "But all the children among the women that have not known lying with a man, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:18)

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 2 years ago | (#41339719)

And the world was populated through incest, polygamy is a-ok, slavery is dandy, and killing non-believers is supported. At least, that's what I get from a few passages in the Bible. What's your point again? That the Koran, like the Bible, is an origin myth massaged to also be a political and social guide to the world? Or that by pointing to the right verse, I can support whatever I want?

Good (4, Insightful)

jcaldwel (935913) | about 2 years ago | (#41339501)

Good for Google... This should not be taken down any more than a video calling Jesus or Flying Spaghetti Monster a fraud should

Re:Good (1)

Abstergo (2677619) | about 2 years ago | (#41339589)

If that's all it was (a few people getting pissy over their precious whatever-it-may-be being mocked), then censorship is bad. However, I anticipate that had Google not pulled this down, they would have to live with the knowledge that there are people who will DIE because of this movie (and already have). It's one thing to preach an "information deserves to be free" ideal, but when forced to choose between Internet Ethics and the lives of actual people, I don't see how Google could have done differently.

Re:Good (5, Insightful)

jcaldwel (935913) | about 2 years ago | (#41339635)

Google didn't kill anyone - hang the blame where it is deserved -- the religious idealists that actually committed the acts.

Re:Good (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339721)

Youtube has truly been touched by His noodely appendage. Ramen.

Link to the video (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339529)

Does anyone have a link to the video?

Re:Link to the video (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339601)

I don't think the full movie has been released, but search for "Innocence of Muslims" on YouTube and you'll find lots of trailers.

So your telling me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339531)

People died because of a video on youtube? What a sad world we live in.

Re:So your telling me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339553)

You people can't really believe this is over a movie. All the other shit the US does is irrelevant? This started a year ago, and has been waiting for a spark.

Re:So your telling me... (5, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41339625)

No, people died because of religious fanaticism. The video was just a largely inconsequential trigger for the current round of violence. But even if said video wasn't there, they'd find another reason.

Re:So your telling me... (2, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41339775)

No, people died because of religious fanaticism coupled with decades of American Imperialism.

FTFY; let's call a duck a duck, shall we?

Re:So your telling me... (0)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41339931)

These particular people dying have nothing to do with American imperialism.

Re:So your telling me... (1)

houghi (78078) | about 2 years ago | (#41339785)

I see your sig and then what you wrote.

Some people where just looking for an excuse to invade Iraq and if it wasn't for 9/11, they would have found another reason.

Re:So your telling me... (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41339937)

Did you try following the link in my sig?

Re:So your telling me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339845)

No, there must be some really substantial reason:

1) a cartoon
2) a dream sequence in a fictional novel
3) a truthful short video like Fitna
4) burning of one their holy books

Re:So your telling me... (1)

toriver (11308) | about 2 years ago | (#41339791)

Well, fewer than died because of the radio broadcasts in Rwanda back then... more advanced tech, less deaths. Progress.

Saw this earlier (0)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#41339541)

Yay, Google! Glad both that they didn't knuckle under and yank it, and also glad that they care enough about the situation to restrict it in the hotspots where people are dying. Freedom of speech is one of our most important rights, but just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. You have the right both to speak, and to not speak.

BTW, IMO the guy who made the movie is a fucking coward. Rather than hiding, he should let himself be a martyr. It was especially cowardly of him to give the actors a different script, then dub over their voices with different actors. One actress in the movie was on TV this morning decrying that; she said if she'd been given the script for "Innocence of Muslims" instead of "Desert Warrier" she would have never taken the part.

Talk about cowards (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339667)

also glad that they care enough about the situation to restrict it in the hotspots where people are dying

What a rube. People are not dead because of this movie. The movie is an excuse. The attack on the embassy was planned, including the followup ambush of the survivors.

You have the right both to speak, and to not speak.

What a morally offensive thought. Censorship by any other name stinks as poorly.

BTW, IMO the guy who made the movie is a fucking coward. Rather than hiding, he should let himself be a martyr.

W. T. F.

All he did was make a movie. If he made a movie about Jesus being gang-banged by a pack of hippos nothing would happen. Yet he should die simply because of subject matter? Why should anyone die because they expressed a thought? I think the movie stinks but there would be a long list of people to die before this one if making a terrible movie should carry a death sentence.

Why is the COWARD not the company that choses not to show the thing in countries where a few lunatics are so mentally unstable they cannot handle the viewing? There are probably people just as offended by the movie in the U.S., yet it is still available here. If people start protesting in the U.S. according to your theory, they should also stop playing it here because it's obviously hurting feelings.

Boo-Hoo. We live in the 20th century where the most vile things imaginable by any definition cross the internet with great regularity. Learn to ignore it or you have no place in civilization.

Streisand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339545)

With people in Egypt and Libya working so hard to experience the Streisand Effect, it seems unfair for Google to block the video in those countries and deprive them of their due.

P.S. I did watch the video that I otherwise never would have heard of...

"ethical concerns" (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339561)

Either you have free speech or you do not. "Ethical concerns" is a thinly veiled word for "censor that which offends us".

The Onion [theonion.com] has this pegged...

Re:"ethical concerns" (4, Informative)

heypete (60671) | about 2 years ago | (#41339651)

Marking that NSFW would have been nice. Normally the Onion is pretty clean and work-safe. That image was not.

Oops, yeah, very NSFW (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339753)

Sorry, forgot to mention that was VERY NSFW. ALthough it being a cartoon would give you about 2 seconds of extra time to close it before people grasped what was being illustrated.

Re:"ethical concerns" (1)

toriver (11308) | about 2 years ago | (#41339725)

So, do you also oppose the restrictions on free speech inherent in e.g. wide-ranging pornography laws, the Wikileaks debacle and so on?

Re:"ethical concerns" (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339911)

Yes of course. Do you not? Not sure what you mean by "the WikiLeaks Debacle" though, in what sense do you consider it a debacle?

I am Libertarian. The hallmark of the libertarian is consistency of thought. I am offended by censorship in ANY form.

Fire, meet gasoline (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339569)

You're talking about giving idiots (who rioted WITHOUT HAVING SEEN the video in question) a chance to actually see said video and become even more outraged and driven to senseless violence. It's not that the censorship was intended to hide the existence of this video; but merely to keep the gasoline from the fire. The crazies that went full-bore on the mention of this video didn't need to see it to act as such, but there are many more who might be driven to similar action with the extra shove that SEEING this video would provide.

In a perfect world, speech wouldn't need to be suppressed for any reason, but the actions of these radicals only serves to demonstrate that we will always have special cases where sacrificing the lives and well-being of others for an ideal is selfish.

Re:Fire, meet gasoline (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339613)

Muslims have no morality at all

Closing barn doors after barn is burnt down. (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339727)

You're talking about giving idiots (who rioted WITHOUT HAVING SEEN the video in question) a chance to actually see said video and become even more outraged and driven to senseless violence.

If anyone can be driven to violence by a video, then blocking a video will not help them. People that stupid would be drive to violence by any pretext, even just READING about the movie existing is quite enough.

So what is the harm in censorship? How about this, the worst is being stated about this movie and now all the people in these countries have to go on is the descriptions of how offensive it is - now there is no verification possible, just slander and rage. Being able to see the film could actually DECREASE levels of violence as people just watch it and see it's just some stupid poorly made film, instead now they assume the worse and can get more and more worked up about it since the worst fears are verified by it being banned there.

Let it be seen.. (4, Insightful)

bhlowe (1803290) | about 2 years ago | (#41339577)

Ya can't prevent Muslims from going apeshit over having their delicate sensibilities offended...

Here is a video of an Egyptian Muslim leader tearing up and burning a Bible [weaselzippers.us] ... No signs of Christians throwing a tantrum...

FYI, the Innocence of Muslims movie is also available on LiveLeak [liveleak.com] and other sites.

The stupid Muslim shits (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339731)

Are heading into the path of a bullet from a gun messing with the USA. Don't they EVER learn? Guess not. Time to let them learn a lesson they will never ever forget. I hope they keep it up so we can eliminate the problem, and contain it, once and for all. They're trash anyhow. Look at their beliefs and tell me differently http://www.satansrapture.com/islam.htm [satansrapture.com]

Re:The stupid Muslim shits (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339923)

That's the funniest web site I've seen since 1999.

Re:Let it be seen.. (3, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | about 2 years ago | (#41339839)

No signs of Christians throwing a tantrum...

No, all it takes for Christians to throw a tantrum is the existence of a doctor's office:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence [wikipedia.org]

As for Muslims, what delicate sensibilities would you be referring to? I look around my town and I see Muslims going about their business, not killing anyone or burning anything. Do you think they have not heard of the video? What, are they a different kind of Muslim? Some of my Muslim friends moved to America from the very countries where these riots are happening and I have at least a few very orthodox Muslim friends who are not rioting.

The issue here is not any specific religion. Muslims in America are not watching police crackdowns, they are not seeing foreign occupying forces in their lands, they did not have their government replaced with a brutal dictatorship which was then overthrown by another brutal dictatorship, etc. Life in America is nice; they have no reason to be angry, and they take offensive remarks about their religion the same way I do (and trust me, as a Jew, I see plenty of offensive things on the Internet), by shrugging it off and calling the people who made those remarks idiots.

If those countries where the riots are happening were nice places to live, there would be no riots, regardless of this video.

Re:Let it be seen.. (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41339939)

Only a handful of people protest abortion clinics. How many have actually been killed - a tiny number.

Meanwhile with Muslims you have whole nations rising in anger, wars being fought with hundreds of thousands dead. To claim the two equivalent in any way is sickening.

url (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339591)

And the url is?

Re:url (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339623)

ok, found
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DjVszAn4GAyzgsjtkJONg/videos

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims

Egypt and Libya? (1)

cdrguru (88047) | about 2 years ago | (#41339593)

What about the rest of the Islamic world? Do they really think this will be enjoyed and improve the Google brand in places like Saudia Arabia? How about Palestine, Indonesia, Pakistan and a host of other Islamic countries?

Or are they going to wait for riots and then pull the video in those locations?

Re:Egypt and Libya? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339741)

Sure why not. The madness needs to be seen as it is. The sooner the civilized world internalizes how counter-productive it is to be pandering to the zealots the further down the road we'll all be. At the risk of offending them all...All deities and cults are created equal.That is the ultimate irony.

Re:Egypt and Libya? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41339797)

They're not pulling it from Egypt and Libya because of fear it might undermine the Google brand in those countries, they're pulling it because the movie is being used as a pretext to kill people.

This isn't about merely avoiding offense. This is about trying to avoid escalating an already terrible situation.

It's not just in Cairo and Libya anymore... (1)

Nrrqshrr (1879148) | about 2 years ago | (#41339597)

Tunisia, Sudan, Yemen, Pakistan,... and a couple others I can't remember, had quite some action going around the US embassies today. In Tunisia (where I live), the official toll is 2 dead guys and around 40 wounded.
I do hope that they will not restrict access to the video in the mentionned countries, that's opening a dam no one can seal again. How long till the next "resricted" videos?

bla bla (1, Insightful)

Hazel Bergeron (2015538) | about 2 years ago | (#41339599)

Cue a hundred posts on how awful Islam is, even though this is just a pretext for more hatred for the Middle East and distraction from the way the elite classes are behaving at home. Cue a dozen people mourning about the loss of another spoilt diplomat who did the nasty government's bidding while hundreds of US soldiers continue to be engaged in unnecessary military activities and civilians continue to either be killed or to die from lack of resources.

Yes, Islam is silly.

Yes, it's just like all dogma in this respect, whether or not accompanied by a sky fairy.

Yes, Mohammed was just some strategically brilliant warmonger with an ego.

But don't allow yourself to be riled up like the desperate fools who are encouraged to violently protest just so their behaviour can be used against them.

Bläurg. (1)

eddy (18759) | about 2 years ago | (#41339637)

I wish I'd be surprised by how easily the "foot soldiers" of the muslim world are manipulated, but I'm not. We all know the video was manufactured for muslims to "blow up", and I realize that there's a muslim leadership on the other side who know this but don't care, feeling they have more to win than lose by using it to manipulate the masses for their ends.

Surely there are people in the muslim world who can stand up and say "Look friends, you're being manipulated. Why are you falling for this?"

Religion. Always festering in uneducated and thus easily manipulated populations, like a cancer on humanity.

Can't blame YouTube (1)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about 2 years ago | (#41339645)

I hope that someday "legal and ethical concerns" apply more to murdering rioters than YouTube nonsense.

Man up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339653)

So is everyone afraid to link to the video?
Here [youtube.com] it is!

Re:Man up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339881)

Ya know after reading about the video, none of it could prepare me for the shock of that link.

I'll just leave this right here (1)

Bryansix (761547) | about 2 years ago | (#41339665)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha [wikipedia.org]

Notice that the article has existed for a LONG time and there were no riots. Maybe because people know its true?

Re:I'll just leave this right here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339813)

Or maybe because the article wasn't shoved in people's faces by a religious fanatic whose sold intention is to provoke a holy war with other religious fanatics?

Icing on the cake (5, Insightful)

br00tus (528477) | about 2 years ago | (#41339669)

Despite Qadaffi's efforts to appease the West in recent years, as soon as he became vulnerable, the US urged NATO to help overthrow the Libyan government. Air strikes, drone strikes, CIA officers on the ground coordinating attacks - the largest military power in the world overthrew the government of this small country - a government which has been making concession after concession to the West in recent years. Apparently not enough. Can anyone imagine the US ambassador in Libya getting blown up if the US hadn't bombed the Libyan government out of existence, working to put its own regime in? You play with fire you get burned.

Imperialism, foreign intervention, torturing Muslims in Abu Ghraib - forcing them to masturbate to the videotaped laughs of sadistic American soldiers, drone attacks, puppet governments, financing the Zionist siege of Gaza - this is what the US is doing to Muslims. Then Korans are burned, put in toilets, mocking videos are made just to rub it in. Then Americans get all indignant that their mockeries of an almost-conquered people are not taken in a light-hearted fashion.

The real question is why is the US over there, why were they bombing Libya and arming the people who overthrew their government. If I was a Libyan patriot, and I knew US insults to Islam would help rally Libyans in an anti-imperial campaign, of course I'd use that. Libyans are responding to everything the US has done to it. The Marines hymn "from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli" refers to US interference in Tripoli going back to the beginning of the 19th century. None of this can be discussed of course, so it all becomes about religion, when really it has little to do with religion. Middle class Muslim Turks are nor burning down embassies. Americans are more gullible and steeped in imperial propaganda then any Muslim is in guile to religious ideas - not that Americans should talk, as the country is crawling with fundamentalist Christianity more than any other industrialized nation.

Re:Icing on the cake (2)

FudRucker (866063) | about 2 years ago | (#41339709)

the USA/NATO/UN is over there to prop up the failing PetroDollar

an old saying (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 2 years ago | (#41339671)

"A man is only as big as the things that make him angry"

those muslims reacting violently because of that stupid video is pretty damn lame, they should be hunted down and killed in a public execution without mercy as an example for the rest of them. if they want to live like wild dogs then give them law & order wild west style

Fuck Islam. Muslims are savages! (-1, Flamebait)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | about 2 years ago | (#41339675)

Fuck Mohammad

Re:Fuck Islam. Muslims are savages! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339829)

Agreed !

Troll Or Insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339877)

It's too close to call in this case. I really can't tell if this is a troll or just a profane yet insightful comment.

Mods, keeping in mind that profanity does not automatically make it a troll, what do you think?

Why are "these people" not responsible? (4, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about 2 years ago | (#41339683)

It's amazing how much and how often things that "incite violence" are held responsible, but the people doing the violence aren't responsible?

Sorry, but forget the "cause" because this is merely an insult at best. Nothing excuses killing and destruction in response to a mere insult. If you can't contain yourself after being angered in this way, you should be destroyed in the most literal sense of the word.

Re:Why are "these people" not responsible? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about 2 years ago | (#41339823)

I think the fact the countries concerned are on the brink of anarchy is what's preventing anyone from holding the rioters responsible. At this point YouTube is simply avoiding fanning the flames in those countries - they're not holding anyone responsible.

Re:Why are "these people" not responsible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339869)

Well how would you react if a big nation printing money makes creates inflation on the primary world food market bringing you first poverty... later hunger... in order to prevent an economic breakdown that originated in some housing bubble...

Movie is a mix of bad ernest messaging/incitement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339749)

In parts it looked like it was going to at least try to make an intellectual argument, then it devolves into an unintentionally-comic parody of Islam. Some of the scenes with Muhammed I was half expecting Benny Hill music to start blaring; it's THAT bad.

And for those of you chomping at the bit to ridicule the Muslim reaction, go back at historical reactions of Christians to the same naked assaults on their faith.

Yeah... but in fact youtube takes down a lot.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339751)

RIAA... copyright material.. ( with children dancing to copyright material in the background ) ...
I can't help.. america once more doesn't get that people in different regions of the world have different opinions..
when was it the last time an american beaurocrat wanted to prefent the video of an american passport flushed down the toilet to be blocked because it's anti american. People have different beleaves.. Can't americans never understand that there are people thinking different then you somewhere else in the world.. And well if my house would have been bombed by a coalition of French, American, British Aircraft in Lybia just one year ago I also would be pissed of.. Just because your media told you you have supported the rebels doesn't mean that the lybians love you...

clear and present danger (-1, Troll)

tverbeek (457094) | about 2 years ago | (#41339763)

I'm a hardcore defendant of free speech, but I see this as an example of yelling "fire" in crowded theater. How much more of a "clear and present danger" can you get?

What makes it anti-Islamic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339803)

According to Islam's own holy books: Muhammad was a pedophile and a war monger. And his behavior is very much condoned in Muslim communities.

Muhammad's youngest wife was six years old, although the marriage was not consummated until his wife was nine. This is very normal in Muslim communities to this day, and not just in the mid-east. There was an article out a few days ago about Muslim girls, as young as nine years old, in the UK being sold into marriage.

Youtube is filled with Muslim clerics calmly giving instructions on how to beat your wife, or wives.

I could go on. Why do Muslims consider the objective truth to be an insult?

May be an internal matter within Islam (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#41339805)

One school of thought on this is that the violence is an attempt by one of the more militant branches of Islam to get attention.

The real cause of riots in Egypt is a steadily declining standard of living since Egypt hit peak oil in 1996. Oil production has declined 45% since 1996.

...you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld (1)

roystgnr (4015) | about 2 years ago | (#41339825)

And then you'll get rid of the Dane! [kipling.org.uk]

Even if you don't believe in bright-line ethical rules in favor of free speech, surely any consequentialist calculation of what will happen by bending this rule has to include not only the present murderers' reduced incentive to complain but also any future complaintants' increased incentive to murder.

It's Called "Doing Business," Folks (0)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41339827)

Don't waste your brainpower trying to extrapolate Google's rationale for pulling the video in Egypt/Libya: Google is a for profit company. If delisting a certain piece of content in certain regions is better for business than not delisting said content, they're going to delist it. Period.

Welcome to capitalism, enjoy your stay.

Valid Legal Complaint (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339847)

Galperin needs to brush up on their law! Both of those countries have extremely strict profanity laws which DO make the video in question highly illegal there, the equivalent of child pornography as ridiculous as that is to us westerners. Their politicians even use those laws the same manipulative way as ours use the child pornography laws here.

"the prophet"? (1)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | about 2 years ago | (#41339865)

Give me a fucking break. Do Hugh Pickens or the BBC also refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ, the Son of God"? And should YouTube or Google also remove "The Life of Brian" or Bill Maher's "Religulous"?

take it down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339943)

Seems like there are good reasons to take it down, I don't know if it violates the TOS. But the guy who made the video did lots of overdubs to make the movie controversial, and the actors did not know what they were getting into. If I were in that video I'd tell him to cease and desist using my likeness.

Plenty of precedent (2)

funkboy (71672) | about 2 years ago | (#41339959)

"It is extremely unusual for YouTube to block a video in any country without it being a violation of their terms of service or in response to a valid legal complaint"

You mean like them blocking Nazi videos (including Downfall parodies) from being viewed in Germany?

gee, ethics is hard work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41339963)

If I owned a company that hosted videos, and someone posted something blatantly racist about black people in America, I would take it down in a heartbeat.
I don't allow people to spew that nonsense in my presence because I don't like it when people treat my friends and relatives that way. Disclaimer: I'm a quite old white southerner so I know about blatant racism and we're all related.
I also object when people do this sort of thing to people I don't like, and trust me, I do not like people who are commit murder over a video.
By "this sort of thing", I mean creating fictional material whose sole purpose is to hurt people's feelings. I think it's fine if you want to do that and publish it yourself, but I would not allow it on my website no matter how much money it cost me.

So no, I do not think that google is showing a backbone by allowing this stuff to remain on their site.
I think that Youtube is being lazy and they are taking the Pontius Pilate washing-my-hands approach.
And yes, I'm aware that there's a ton of objectionable content regarding Christians so no need to remind me of that.

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