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Zynga Sues EA For 'Anti-competitive' Practices

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the fight-fight-fight dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In early August, Electronic Arts sued Zynga for allegedly copying EA's Sims Social game. Zynga has now launched a counterattack, suing EA for 'anticompetitive and unlawful business practices, including legal threats and demands for no-hire agreements.' The company also accuses EA of copying a Zynga game called YoVille. Zynga has also demanded a jury trial to settle EA's claims."

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Zynga hahahahah (4, Funny)

TheRecklessWanderer (929556) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346583)

We are using you for being mad at us for copying your product. Take that good company!

Re:Zynga hahahahah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346591)

YoVille? Is that for blacks?

Re:Zynga hahahahah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346645)

YoVille? Is that for blacks?

makes sense. they do say "yo" alot

good for them. nice for them to have some thing of their own

Re:Zynga hahahahah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347159)

No, it's for the Mondays [youtube.com]

Re:Zynga hahahahah (5, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347381)

You gotta give Zynga credit though, it takes some VERY large brass balls to basically say "We stole your product and now we are gonna sue you....because you won't let us steal more of your products."

Which is why I can't see how ANYBODY can defend Zynga in this case. Is EA run by douchebags? Yes it is, and thanks to their douchebaggy ways EA is now up for sale, showing that refusing to buy from companies that treat you like shit works, even if it takes awhile.

But with Zynga the ONLY reason you haven't heard of this before is they were stealing from the little devs that couldn't fight back. Look up any of their games, going back to the very first ones like Farmville and you'll find an indie dev that had put out the EXACT SAME GAME one to two years before, and I mean the EXACT same game, Zynga doesn't bother to change shit but the name!

We don't let ANY other artform do this, I can't put out my own version of "Lord Of The Rings" with every character and word of dialog and simply rename it "Lord Of The Bracelets" and not get my ass sued off, I can't hire studio musicians to knock off the songs on the top 10 and simply change the title and put out my own top ten mega mix albums, so why in the fuck should Zynga be allowed to steal every damned thing, from the characters to the art style to the fricking UIs, slap a new name on it and then sell it?

If you can't see how this is seriously bad for indies then you are blind. if Zynga gets away with this why should I buy "Plants VS Zombies" when some corp will hire a bunch of Chinese coders and I can have "Shrubs VS The Undead" next week for free on FB? Why buy Minecraft when I can have MineBuilder for free? One of the great things that has come along is the way the Internet allows small artists to compete and sell their wares no different than the big guys, but if this kind of shit isn't stopped when it comes to games they won't have a prayer, either they work for the megacorps who have enough money to sue, or everything they do will be taken from them. That is frankly a shitty choice and as much as I don't care for EA they are 100% in the right on this one and I hope they crush Zynga like the bugs that they are, go EA!

Re:Zynga hahahahah (3, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347687)

It's one of those situations where you wish BOTH could lose.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347707)

A case of "the enemy of my enemy is an even larger enemy."

Re:Zynga hahahahah (1)

Ambvai (1106941) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347969)

Maxim 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (2)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | about a year and a half ago | (#41349353)

And like last time there was a zynga vs EA story I will say it again: I hope they both bankrupt each other. I hate lawyers too but if they are going to be ripping someone off, please let it be both Zynga and EA at the same time. Burn baby burn.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347711)

Hyperbole much? If you literally take a game, just change the title, and try to sell it, that is highly illegal. Are you advocating patenting gameplay? Is it not obvious why that's a horrendously bad idea?

Re:Zynga hahahahah (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348021)

Gameplay mechanics can not be copyrighted.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348213)

If you can't see how this is seriously bad for indies then you are blind. if Zynga gets away with this why should I buy "Plants VS Zombies" when some corp will hire a bunch of Chinese coders and I can have "Shrubs VS The Undead" next week for free on FB? Why buy Minecraft when I can have MineBuilder for free? One of the great things that has come along is the way the Internet allows small artists to compete and sell their wares no different than the big guys, but if this kind of shit isn't stopped when it comes to games they won't have a prayer, either they work for the megacorps who have enough money to sue, or everything they do will be taken from them. That is frankly a shitty choice and as much as I don't care for EA they are 100% in the right on this one and I hope they crush Zynga like the bugs that they are, go EA!

How much space does EA own around each game? What you are saying is very valid, but not absolute -- it is a matter of degrees. Does the hypothetical "Shrubs v. The Undead" infringe "Plants V. Zombies"? What about another lane-based tower defense game? What about non-linear path tower defense? What about free-roaming tower defense? How close were Zynga's copies, and how close is wrong? How much space does EA own around each game?

I agree that instant and indistinguishable duplication of an entire game is harmful to our society, and I tend to think that Zynga went over the line with premeditated, malicious intent. But beware of the "steal their product" position as a generalization -- it can easily turn into overbroad regulatory monopolies, like we are seeing in the mobile device lawsuits.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (4, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348331)

How close were Zynga's copies

Pretty close to adding a mustache to the mona lisa and calling it an original work of art.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (1, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | about a year and a half ago | (#41350257)

Is it not an original work of art?

That's kind of a bad example because art is all about perception and some sort of statement from the artist. Would you say Andy Warhol was infringing upon Campbell's IP?

Just what exactly makes something original? I would actually claim that the work of art you propose is original because it is striking and thought provoking. It's the Mona Lisa, but why does she have a stache? Why are there 10 pictures in a row? Why does this one have a goatee?

In Zynga's case so much was copied, most people would put in the high 90's as a percentage, it is hard to claim any kind of originality, or even attempt at originality in their work.

However, just how many ways can you abstract a simulated environment in such cartoonish ways? While Zynga clearly needs to get bent over by the courts and a proper financial ass reaming, we should still be careful on just how broad of a protection we give works like this. Especially, when originality as far as art is concerned is so amazingly subjective.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (5, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#41349321)

Dude, look up "Zynga rips off indie" in the search engine of your choice and be ready to shit brick, because as another poster put it "Its like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa and calling it an original artwork". Look up "The Farm" I believe it was called and compare it to farmville, hell pick ANY game they have and look up its name and "ripoff" and you'll find that some little indie had put out a game one to two years before and once it started gaining a few users? here comes Zynga and a pile of their Chinese coders to bold face rip it off!

Hell look up the EA court papers man, they have in it side by side photos, they fucking stole EVERYTHING. The characters, their animations, the thought bubble, the UI, the sound, they might as well have just took EA's code and stuck their name on it, it's THAT blatant.

Look, I got NO problem with taking a basic idea and making your own take, look at how we have a bazillion tower defense games, Good God half the FPS games out there are so generic war themed you could place them side by side and it looks like "Generic action movie #47" but that is NOT what we have here, they did NOT put out their own take, what they did is more like taking tracing paper and just ripping it off frame by frame!

Please look it up for yourself Bob, I know how you feel. When I first heard of this I thought "So they both have Sims style games, so what?" but holy shit, they didn't even fricking pretend to have an original thought, it was a pixel to pixel copy. I'm not shitting you either, one of the EA guys actually took measurements and more than 3/4th of the artwork is even pixel by pixel sized so damned identically you could mix and match between the two games and nobody would notice! I'm sure after you see the pics, especially of the little indie guys that could afford to fight back, that Zynga deserves to die and EA deserves to win, this is just pure theft, no bones about it.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348495)

Um, knock-off videos, song covers, song remixes, even entire tribute bands, are quite common actually. No license needed.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348861)

It takes some VERY large brass balls to basically say "We stole your product and now we are gonna sue you...

Yes, but that doesn't mean the countersuit has no merit. If Zynga's allegations are defensible and they can show damage, then it becomes leverage for a settlement.

Is EA run by douchebags?

Yes. So far it's a battle between flavors of douchebaggery.

We don't let ANY other artform do this...

Yes 'we' do. "Jonny has raised the use of the web-for-profit to new levels of douchebaggery by depeding on ad revenues derived from citing other people's investigative reporting and using it as the basis for driving traffic to his 'social networking' site. Not only is this abuse of copyright egregious, it isn't even original."

Business competition is based on copycatting, otherwise there'd be nothing in the corporate world bet a set of unique monopolies.

  -- People in glass houses shouldn't be so quick to post drones.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348957)

We don't let ANY other artform do this

Yes we do. In fashion, you can copy wholesale from another label's style, changing just the logo. And in music, you can release the exact same song as another band without their permission, with a fixed licensing fee.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41349253)

Try and copy Minecraft. I dare you.

Re:Zynga hahahahah (1)

Internetuser1248 (1787630) | about a year and a half ago | (#41349381)

More than dare, I encourage more mainstream game companies to copy those that are innovating. I already paid for minecraft and dwarf fortress is free but there is still a LOT of room in this genre for new players. Voxel engine, destructable terrain, procedurally generated worlds - if there was anything I could say or do to get both zynga and EA to get in on that I would go for it. I don't think either of those companies have enough creativity to even attempt something like that though. They can't see the world, the dollar signs are in the way.

Awesome, I'm buying popcorn already. (4, Funny)

SpzToid (869795) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346603)

Patent wars are so passé. I am so ready for the anti-poach wars!

Re:Awesome, I'm buying popcorn already. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347163)

Antipoaching agreements are illegal in California and very bad for non-unionized labor. I'd like to see the State go after Silicon Valley companies more aggressively.

Re:Awesome, I'm buying popcorn already. (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347721)

When discussing legal things, one should endeavor to use correct legal terminology. It isn't "illegal." That would imply that a company demanding one is breaking some law, and just asking for a non-compete is against the law. That's false. They are not "illegal". They are "not legally binding" That is, someone could demand you sign it as a condition of employment (and are free to not hire you if you don't agree to sign), but when you leave, the contract is void, and you are free to do what you want without contractual consequences.

EA vs Zynga (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346613)

Who's side are we supposed to be on?

Re:EA vs Zynga (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346643)

Good question. Certainly neither party to the lawsuit, and most definitely not with the lawyers. I'd have to say hope for all three to lose?

Re:EA vs Zynga (2)

i.am.delf (1665555) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346719)

Sometimes you need to root for both sides to fight and both to lose. I can't remember the original quote but it was about America selling weapons to both sides of a conflict because the US wanted both sides to lose.

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346885)

Probably Iraq/Iran war

Re:EA vs Zynga (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347005)

That was 'Lord of War' IIRC. Great movie, one of Cage's best.

Re:EA vs Zynga (1)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347097)

I watched that yesterday. Agreed, fantastic movie.

Opening lines:

"There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?"

I'm sure he was quoting someone else there...

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347591)

He miscounted, he thought your average overweight American was a couple.

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347733)

Great movie, one of Cage's best.

Paradox detected.

Re:EA vs Zynga (4, Funny)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347009)

Because nobody ever went broke selling weapons. Look at my cousin Gaila. He went into weapons, I bought a bar. Now he owns his own moon, and I'm staring into the abyss, and my only hope for salvation is the Federation.

Re:EA vs Zynga (3, Interesting)

Tastecicles (1153671) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348717)

if you're selling weapons the LAST thing you want is for either side to lose - which is why whatever you sell to one side, you sell to the other. This has several side effects, not least of which you get obscenely rich and you remain neutral (see: Switzerland during WWII, the US arms industry during the Iran-Iraq war and pretty much every other conflict since WWII...). The thing you want to keep in short supply, however, is ammunition.

Re:EA vs Zynga (3, Informative)

Baloroth (2370816) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346813)

Who's side are we supposed to be on?

Well, EA did once produce some good games, so them I suppose. They still have some potential: Zynga never had any. Zynga are also pretty blatant about ripping off other games producers (indie game makers included), EA are usually not quite so bad in that area at least.

Quadrapassel (1, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347043)

Zynga are also pretty blatant about ripping off other games producers

Any more so than the free software community, with it's "Quadrapassel" and its "M-x tetris"?

Re:EA vs Zynga (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347757)

EA rips themselves off. Madden [$year] and such. Zynga should be applauded for copying games. And punished for copying copyrighted images creatively designed for it. The idea of a game of farmville should not be protected. Othewise, nobody else can make a 2D scrolling shooter, as Contra did it years ago (and wasn't th first) and if it isn't a shooter, Mario did it before you (and Pitfall before them).

I want Zynga to win because the idea that the concept of a game should be copyrightable is absurd. Armageddon should sue Deep Impact? But I want Zynga to lose because they don't just copy a game idea, but they have been caught copying original art created for other games.

Oh, and EA sucks.

Re:EA vs Zynga (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347061)

No matter who loses this battle, humanity wins!

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347335)

No matter who loses this battle, humanity wins!

Ah, but remember, when one of these two lose, the other will win this battle. I can't reliably say humanity would win in that case.

Re:EA vs Zynga (2)

seandiggity (992657) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347357)

Who's side are we supposed to be on?

Anything that hurts Zynga, hurts facebook, as they reminded us over and over in the IPO filing [sec.gov] . So, depends what you think of the Zuckerborg.

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347405)

Finally! We can root for the lawyers!

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347437)

What happens when 2 electrons actually touch?

I'm hoping a blackhole or something. Or another big bang. Anything that destroys them is good.

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347571)

It's like Hitler vs. Stalin. But in that case I still have to go with Stalin. (Mark Pincus is Hitler, of course).

Yes, I went there. Godwin'ed!

Re:EA vs Zynga (1)

Blue Stone (582566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347599)

>Who's side are we supposed to be on?

The third side: mutually assured destruction ...

...a doctrine of military strategy and national security policy in which a full-scale use of high-yield weapons of mass destruction by two opposing sides would effectively result in the complete, utter and irrevocable annihilation of both the attacker and the defender.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction [wikipedia.org]

Re:EA vs Zynga (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348085)

Neither. Both companies are assholes and I hope they bankrupt each other this way.

My choice (4, Funny)

meerling (1487879) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346663)

I'm cheering for EA on this one. Oh god, I feel sick and dirty, I need to take a shower now. :(

Re:My choice (5, Insightful)

Nemyst (1383049) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346713)

This is one of the few times where I'll be cheering for the lawyers to suck as much money out of both of them as possible.

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347039)

This is EA we're talking about. What makes you think they'll pay their lawyers?

Re:My choice (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347065)

Seems to me, it's more like the feeling you get when you see a carful of lawyers go over a cliff. In your brand new tricked out SUV that you're still waiting for the insurance paperwork to come back on...

Re:My choice (2)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347217)

You mean the feeling that you could have had a few more passenger seats if you bought a more expensive SUV?

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347349)

I hope you live to eat those words, you miserable sack of dog shit.

Re:My choice (5, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346871)

Sorta like watching Stalin go after Hitler. You want Stalin to win, but not win by too much.

Maybe, with little luck, Zynga can get stomped into oblivion (SCO-style would be nice), and EA loses so much money chasing it that they themselves are diminished to the point of leaving an opening for other companies.

But then there's Ubisoft. Is there anyway we can get Ubisoft involved in this too? Then maybe we can pray that they all obliterate each other.

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346985)

Given the tens of millions of deaths caused by both leaders from the 1920s through the 1940s, I don't know why you would pick one over the other. They both led violent totalitarian regimes that would have executed you in a heartbeat.

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347161)

AC, you're dumb. What do you want, the unlikely outcome of a tie? Or, may the best man win?

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347339)

But one of them mostly killed his own people due to gross negligence and paranoia, the other tried to take over all of Europe and kill everyone else's people, it's different.

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347597)

Atleast if you are not residing under either of the regimes. The choice would clearly be Stalin.

Re:My choice (1)

blade8086 (183911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348059)

Because Stalin didn't try to take over all of europe either?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comintern
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cominform

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347805)

Hitler was more evil, but Stalin killed more people (mostly his own people). Just like WWII, no matter who won in the fight in Western Asia/Eastern Europe (USSR vs Gemany), there will be bad consequences no matter who wins in EA vs Zygna... though Germany winning would have been much worse for the world, this lawsuit no matter which of those 2 wins, many others will lose:

  for EA suing Zygna where EA sues Zygna for copying EA, EA winning could potentially open a flood-gate of "look-and-feel" of game that Indie developers are locked out. EA losing means more outfits like Zygna popping up.. though, I think a fair number of folks likely think that working for Zygna will guarantee you burn in hell .. and working there sucks too anyways.

  for Zygna suing EA for anti-competitive practices, I hope Zygna only wins if they prove that employer-employee bullying and intimidation happen. Non-compete clauses are a solid foundation for employer to employee abuse but on the other hand, a Zygna victory means money for Zygna so it can continue to be a leech to humanity.

Btw, EA is not exactly a money bag company... video games as a business is not a big _PROFIT_ maker.. studios close all the freaking time, games are often too big (go ahead and checkout what Star Wars: The Old Republic cost to make)... the risks are insane... I'd hate to be an exec at a big publisher under the pressure that giving the green light on a game can carry such insane risks.

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348477)

>Maybe, with little luck, Zynga can get stomped into oblivion (SCO-style would be nice),

Sure, get Bethesda into the picture.

Re:My choice (1)

sg_oneill (159032) | about a year and a half ago | (#41350247)

Only if Ubisoft first sells off Assasins creed to another company. Ubisoft suck, but I frigging love assasins creed.

Re:My choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348133)

I'm rooting for both to lose which is possible. If they spend all their resources fighting each other then it doesn't really matter who wins because there is nothing to pick up after a win.

They're welcome to each other (1)

stepdown (1352479) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346725)

Can't think of two companies I'd rather see hemorrhaging money in the courtrooms.

Furiously scribbling notes (1)

ZackSchil (560462) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346911)

Ripping off games: BAAAAAAD
Ripping off trade dress: GOOOOOOOOD... WELL NOOOOOTTT GOOOOOOOD BUUUUTT OOOOOKKKAAAAY WHHHAAATTTEEEVVVVVERR FUUUCKKK APPPPLEEE

Just taking down some notes here for the zombie slashdot poster bot I've been writing.

Re:Furiously scribbling notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41346935)

Retard

Re:Furiously scribbling notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347027)

Is that a The Happening [youtube.com] reference?

Re:Furiously scribbling notes (1)

Travelsonic (870859) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348361)

I don't need to write anything down to see how retarded this post is.
THERE IS NO HIVE MIND! \ LOTS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE POSTING THEIR OPINIONS. ' To claim hypocrisy when you're taking different pinions, and making some hoopla about how /. is contradictory, when it is different people in these threads posting different individual opinions, well, there is no word to describe how dumb that is. Get off your high horse, read up on basic logic, basic lingual skills pertaining to debate.

Re:Furiously scribbling notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41348785)

You're ignoring the fact that lately, every anti-Apple comment is modded up on every Apple story. There's not a hive mind, but there is a hugely popular sentiment, and you'd be an idiot to pretend it doesn't exist (and isn't extremely hypocritical or inconsistent most of the time).

Re:Furiously scribbling notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41350127)

If it's that popular, then its just a stereotype that people who want to read about technology are sick of hearing about Apple. Probably because Apple has never done anything...ever.
WTF did Apple invent? Ipod? That isn't an invention, its an improvement on old tech.

One-word joke. (1)

RyanFenton (230700) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346931)

When I was at PAX Dev a couple of weeks ago, one good way to get a laugh would be to mention virtually any player-manipulative or too openly copying large sections of games, then just insert the word 'Zynga'.

The words 'E.A.' will also get some laughs connected to generic corporate thuggery, but after the whole 'Worst Company in America" stuff, it's a bit overplayed.

Ryan Fenton

Of they they want a jury trial (2)

Guru80 (1579277) | about a year and a half ago | (#41346977)

It comes down to personal perception more than the law. EA is the big bad guy on the block, Zynga is the family friendly buddy on facebook. There are no good guys here though, both are greedy thieves who would rob you blind in a moment if they could do so legally. Welcome to the business of studio game development/publishing. Thank god for indies.

Go Zynga? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347017)

I want to hate zynga but EA is so much more evil.
They copy/steal just like zynga, but they do so much more then zynga.
$60 for a roster update in the sports games?
An exclusive licence to the NFL?
And how many good, interesting, profitable developers did EA buy, mismanage and ruin or shut down?
Also don't tell me if the developer was profitable EA wouldn't have shut it down, that is naive bullshit. Large companies like EA shut down successful things all the time for not hitting unrealistic profit goals
Since when did all games need to be the same as every other game?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/09/06/ea-turns-its-back-on-single-player-games-embraces-the-cloud/
http://www.destructoid.com/ea-wants-dead-space-3-to-appeal-to-a-broad-audience-229567.phtml
Not every game needs online multiplayer. Not each game needs to apply to every single gamer on the planet. If a game is a niche experience then it by definition will have limited sales and the financially cannot support arbitrary demands for multiplayer or other whims of the publisher. But to EA they view a niche product as a failed product.

Originally I was "cheering" for EA but Jim changed my mind or perhaps he just reminded me of bullshit ea has gotten away with.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6220-EA-versus-Zynga-The-Lesser-of-Two-Evils

Re:Go Zynga? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347239)

The problem is... on occasion EA has accidentally done the right thing.
Zynga hasn't.

Re:Go Zynga? (1)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347797)

Zynga is at least predictable and hasn't killed any games I've liked. EA buys successful games/studios, then puts them out of business. Zynga is easy for me to ignore. I can't recall ever seeing a Zynga game in a store to even try to ignore.

Re:Go Zynga? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347955)

When has EA done the right thing? Even by accident?
I assume you mean "right" as in some sort of moral choice system not just a business sense of release a product that I will enjoy/consume.
   

Whoa, back it up a sec... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347049)

Did Zynga just hire SCO's old law firm or something recently? I mean, and this is as professional as I can be regarding this company, what the fuck are they thinking?

They are to gaming what cheap spandex is to 40 yr. old strippers on the outskirts of Vegas. Either that or utterly talentless, parasitic copycats. Not sure which.

when two pieces of shit fight (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347109)

does anyone give a crap? let them both sue each other into oblivion and the world will be a better place

Re:when two pieces of shit fight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347379)

If two pieces of shit fight, giving a crap is overkill.

Re:when two pieces of shit fight (1)

krisamico (452786) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348073)

Sounds great, but they'll finance this B.S. by cutting their respective workforces!

Re:when two pieces of shit fight (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41349033)

and?
if those people have any skills they will easily find another job, and if not, they will have time to make some decisions about their lives.

I dont buy this feeling that no company can fail for the poor workers will starve to death in a gutter crap ... I was recently unemployed for a year and yet I am still alive, newley employed and doing better than I was at my last job. So let them cut jobs, again its better for everyone.

A comparison (2)

TRRosen (720617) | about a year and a half ago | (#41347489)

Well let's see.
Nether company creates there own games. EA buys them and Zynga steals them.
Both companies steal from their users it's just that EA does it $50 at a time while Zynga does it $.50 at a time.
Both companies treat gamers like crap.
EA abuses the hell out of professional developers while Zynga abuses the hell out of people that think they are developers.
(sorry Zynga workers but my dog writes better code)
EA uses huge expensive marketing campaigns of BS while Zynga just spams you until you give in.
EA often ruins good games after taking them over. Zynga often ruins good games after copying them and flooding the market with their version.
EA actions makes you hate them. Zynga's actions make you hate yourself.
All in all the world would be better off if neither existed. But the tie breaker goes to EA as we would actually miss their games.

Soon in the news... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347817)

With both Zynga and EA lying financially in shambles because of the lawsuit, their lawyers team up and buy both Zynga and EA to form ZEANGA.

Who to root for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347845)

Everyone else is hoping they both loose. I am too, but the fight also creates precedent. If no hire agreements could get stopped I would say Zynga wining wouldn't be a terrible thing.

EA scammed the crap out of many of their customers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41347939)

With the underhanded way EA's scammed the crap out of many of their customers with BF3 (the premium thing tricking people into rebuying the whole product, and the way they force advertisements on you with their forcing people to use origin/battlelog to play) they deserve to get smacked around some. Go for it!

Redacted Counterclaims (4, Informative)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348521)

It amazes me how often lawyers try to redact information from the public by changing the foreground and background to black when we can just select the text to reveal it.

Their counterclaim is full of not-so-redacted text.

Zynga has a point (1)

laffer1 (701823) | about a year and a half ago | (#41348769)

I hate to say this, but Zynga has a point. Consider how many crappy b movies are made in Hollywood related to hits. It's particularly bad with children's movies, but it also happened to Jaws and Jurassic Park. I heard on NPR recently that they're making a big comeback since digital distribution has taken over. It's easier to get on Netflix or Amazon's service than in stores. How is it different to copy a game versus a movie?

My big problem with Zynga isn't that they copy games shamelessly from EA and others, it's that they have serious issues with privacy and they treat their employees like crap. EA's just pissed they didn't think of it first.

Bottom Feeding Scum (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about a year and a half ago | (#41349101)

Companies like Zynga that churn out these games to feed off the souls(and wallets) of those who have the time to devote to them make me sick. These companies create games that lead people to absolutely nowhere, working tirelessly at something seemingly insurmountable, only to have something new and even more insurmountable to take its place. Repetitive nonsense spewed forth with slightly different packaging to make it a little different the next go round.

I'm looking at you Blizzard *evileyes*

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