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Patent Troll Goes After Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Yahoo, IBM, Others

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the go-big-or-go-home dept.

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zaba writes "A company named PersonalWeb Technologies has decided to sue a host of heavy players in the tech industry, including Apple, Facebook, IBM, Microsoft and Yahoo! for patents it holds related to data processing. They have a previous suit against other big names like Amazon, Google and HP. Anyone care to guess where the company is based or where the suits were filed?" The company is also targeting GitHub, but seems to have accidentally sued Rackspace — GitHub's host — instead. Rackspace has responded, saying, "It’s apparent that the people filing the suit don’t understand the technology or the products enough to realize that Rackspace Cloud Servers and GitHub are completely different products from different companies."

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Enough Already (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382479)

I used to think of patent trolls as no name companies that pop up just to make a quick and sleazy buck. Now I think of all of the big names like Apple and Samsung too. At this point, I say bring it on. Let all companies be destroyed in the name of "intellectual property rights" and lets start over. I'd rather we die a quick death than drag it out forever.

Re:Enough Already (4, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about 2 years ago | (#41382505)

The problem is, with the current system, it is more reasonable to the bottom line to pay X in settlement costs vs paying your own lawyers for Y time

Re:Enough Already (1)

viewtouch (1479) | about 2 years ago | (#41384401)

This is, in fact, what has happened here as well.

Let all companies be destroyed? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382615)

No, then the only companies left would be the patent trolls.

Re:Let all companies be destroyed? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383075)

I'm pretty sure this is what we have right now. I take it you don't see Apple as a patent troll.

Re:Let all companies be destroyed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383653)

A true patent troll would be a company whose sole activity is suing other companies. Apple does that, but it is not the only thing they do - they also create a lot of useful products.

Re:Let all companies be destroyed? (3, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#41384043)

Apple - love or hate them - makes products based on those patents.
So no, they are not patent trolls.
They may use borderline invalid patents in an offensive and anticompetitive way, but they are not simply trolling.

Re:Enough Already (1)

228e2 (934443) | about 2 years ago | (#41382891)

Nah, even if we start over, we would just return to the current state in a few years.

Re:Enough Already (2)

ryanmetcalf (898126) | about 2 years ago | (#41383073)

You forgot to cite your source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_Revolutions#Plot [wikipedia.org]

Re:Enough Already (1)

aneroid (856995) | about 2 years ago | (#41383153)

BSG reference to the Eternal Return [wikipedia.org] :

"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."

Re:Enough Already (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#41383373)

Woah, woah, woah. You can't say that. That implies they knew what they were doing.

Re:Enough Already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383387)

Pfft. I prefer to go with Xenogears [wikipedia.org] for all my eternal return sourcing needs.

Re:Enough Already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382899)

You think of Samsung as a patent troll....?! Afaik samsung didnt sue anyone.

Re:Enough Already (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383297)

There is an Axis of evil companies including Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Oracle and a few others (mostly proxies) that have aligned themselves against free software and companies that distribute free software products.

These companies are trying to smear Samsung, Google et al, often by pretending they are as evil as the Axis companies. You'll see variations of "well Axis company may be evil, but so is Samsung/Motorola/Google etc".

It is a lie.

Some companies do behave more ethically than others, and most behave more ethically than the Axis organisations.

Re:Enough Already (2)

Antonovich (1354565) | about 2 years ago | (#41383757)

It's probably not a very mature way of looking at things but it's also exactly the way I see them. There is a fundamental difference between companies that attempt to stop others moving forward and those whose strategy is simply to continuously innovate faster and further than the rest. That doesn't mean secrecy isn't sometimes warranted. That doesn't mean that you should let others profit from your brand/image or pass themselves off as somehow representing you. There are limits though. While I like Samsung products (and owned both a Galaxy S and Galaxy Nexus), they deserved a massive fine for blatant copying. There was no need to do it, they were told not to by Google, and they did it anyway. The early Galaxy phones got them a good foothold in the massive smartphone market - a foothold they would possibly have had a harder time getting without the blatant copying. We'll never know. I believe software patents are fundamentally contrary to fast and efficient innovation in the tech sector - I am all for using the courts when you do a fairly crass ripoff...

Re:Enough Already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41384601)

Bullshit.

Apple copied everybody else, then had the gall to sue a company that made a better phone.

End of story.

Re:Enough Already (2)

p.rican (643452) | about 2 years ago | (#41385103)

Better phone? That's definitely subjective.

Re:Enough Already (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383915)

The madness of Emperor Caligula went on for some time too before someone had the balls to turn him into a fucking pin cushion. Is this really any different? We now have the equivalent of a horse for a senator, how long will this go on before someone grabs his balls and does what needs to be done to fix this nonsense?

Re:Enough Already (3, Interesting)

sempir (1916194) | about 2 years ago | (#41384353)

We now have the equivalent of a horse for a senator, how long will this go on before someone grabs his balls and does what needs to be done to fix this nonsense?

Whose....the horses, or the senators?

Re:Enough Already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383983)

Considering where all these suits are filed, it'd be a lot easier on the world economy if someone just bombed the shit out of East Texas.

List of their patents (5, Informative)

nagasrinivas (1700232) | about 2 years ago | (#41382483)

Re:List of their patents (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382507)

i just had a long shitty day at school and i come home and see those patents, fuck my life, fuck the world, fuck it all. hopefully after i have some dinner and a fap i'll feel better.

Re:List of their patents (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383169)

Maybe going back to 4chan with the other 13 year old children would make you feel better.

Re:List of their patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41385031)

no way i prefer to read all the insightful posts on slashdot about how "micro$oft is t3h sux" and "ifags are ghey" etc. from all you mature dudes

Re:List of their patents (5, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about 2 years ago | (#41382533)

5,978,791 - Data processing system using substantially unique identifiers to identify data items, whereby identical data items have the same identifiers -UUID
6,415,280 - Identifying and requesting data in network using identifiers which are based on contents of data - CRC Hash
6,928,442 - Enforcement and policing of licensed content using content-based identifiers - See WinAmp and Windows Media player
and so on...

Re:List of their patents (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382635)

5,978,791 - Data processing system using substantially unique identifiers to identify data items, whereby identical data items have the same identifiers -UUID
  6,415,280 - Identifying and requesting data in network using identifiers which are based on contents of data - CRC Hash
  6,928,442 - Enforcement and policing of licensed content using content-based identifiers - See WinAmp and Windows Media player
and so on...

Sounds like any CAS solution would fit all three you listed.

Sue EMC for their Centerra product perhaps?

Re:List of their patents (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382707)

In b4 "herp derp read da claims!!1!"

identity means for determining, for any of a plurality of data items present in the system, a substantially unique identifier, the identifier being determined using and depending on all of the data in the data item and only the data in the data item, whereby two identical data items in the system will have the same identifier; and
existence means for determining whether a particular data item is present in the system, by examining the identifiers of the plurality of data items.

So if all the data in item 1 is equal to all the data in item 2, they're the same? Equal things are Equal! Holy shit! I never would have guessed that in 1997!

In a system in which a set of data files are distributed across a network of servers, at least some of the data files being cached versions of data files from a source server, wherein the source server is distinct from the servers in the network, a content delivery method comprising:

determining a data identifier for a particular data file on the source server, the data identifier being determined using a given function of the data, wherein said data used by the given function to determine the data identifier comprises the contents of the particular data file; and
responsive to a request for the particular data file, the request including at least the data identifier of the particular data file, providing the particular data file from a given one of the servers of the network of servers, said providing being based on the data identifier of the requested data item

Freenet used hashes to retrieve blocks WAY before 1999. Not only that, but the propagation of blocks is equivalent to "cached versions" distinct from the injecting server.

In a system in which a plurality of files are distributed across a plurality of computers, a method comprising:

obtaining a name for a data file, the name being based at least in part on a given function of the data, wherein the data used by the given function to determine the name comprises the contents of the data file; and
in response to a request for the a data file, the request including at least the name of the particular file, causing a copy of the file to be provided from a given one of the plurality of computers, wherein a copy of the requested file is only provided to licensed parties.

Freenet used has.... oh, wait, licensed parties. LOL.

'Patent trolls' cost other US bodies $29bn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383363)

Patent trolls are a $29 billion tax on innovation:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18598559

The USPTO needs to be disbanded, pure and simple. It's never going to get its act together, its never going to restrict itself to patents for clear inventions, the NET damage they're doing is too great, time to end patents altogether.

Re:'Patent trolls' cost other US bodies $29bn (1)

lhunath (1280798) | about 2 years ago | (#41384471)

I personally wouldn't mind patents becoming restricted to a 6month lifetime.

That way the innovator has 6 months of head-start until the rest of the world is free to compete.

Re:List of their patents (3, Funny)

chrismcb (983081) | about 2 years ago | (#41384865)

But... But... But what about this awesome, novel patent, that I am sure no one else could come up with:

Accessing Data In A Data Processing System

Re:List of their patents (5, Funny)

doomtiki (789936) | about 2 years ago | (#41382571)

You know it is a legitimate technology firm when their website says:

We are located in East Texas, and we are developing innovative technologies and products.

There seem to be a lot of "innovative" firms located in East Texas.

Re:List of their patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383351)

East Texas is the Mecca of patent-law... that's where all the cases are tried.

Re:List of their patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383063)

I love the fake photos on their website - none of their desks have phones, cleanest desks ever, really?

Re:List of their patents (2)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 2 years ago | (#41384039)

If you were a patent troll would you seriously want people to have a way to contact you?

Is Slashdot Wired's bitch or what? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382489)

Might as well just read Wired.com because they have the stories first.

Re:Is Slashdot Wired's bitch or what? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382545)

actually it feels like half of slashdots stories are just day old leftovers from arstechnica and in turn half of arstechnicas stories are just popular posts that have been bouncing around stackexchange for a week...

But the patent system is fine, right? (1)

BrownLeopard (876112) | about 2 years ago | (#41382493)

No overhaul needed of the patent system, right?

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 2 years ago | (#41382517)

I'm just amazed that these trolls can even do this.

It used to be that if a twerp sued that kind of firepower on any other topic he'd be pulverized from any one of the lawyer-cannons into the next parsec.

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (2)

BrownLeopard (876112) | about 2 years ago | (#41382531)

I know. It's gotten so ridiculous that it's almost impossible to create anything new without stepping on somebody's patent. Lets not even open the door to frivolous lawsuits based on said patents.

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382621)

Which is why I'll never sell any of the few things I've made which have potential market value.

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382663)

Why not open the door to frivolous lawsuits? That's when you drown the patent troll in lawyers fees and patent trolls go away. Right?

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382637)

Lawyers see they can take advantage of the system so they are now representing the trolls.

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382527)

Suing and winning are two different things, right?

Re:But the patent system is fine, right? (1)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | about 2 years ago | (#41382783)

only in small claims court and high school ethics class. otherwise no, you have it exactly wrong.

My Guesses (3, Insightful)

Talondel (693866) | about 2 years ago | (#41382495)

Austin. Eastern District of Texas.

Re:My Guesses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382589)

No, not Austin. Marshall, Texas.

Re:My Guesses (1)

dohzer (867770) | about 2 years ago | (#41382709)

Looks like it is Texas. Is that common?

Re:My Guesses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383065)

Either you're a troll or have been living under a rock, yes. the Eastern District of Texas almost always finds for the 'copyright' holder and almost never for the defendant. Basically, if you sue there for copyright infringement, it's an almost guaranteed win.

Re:My Guesses (2)

dohzer (867770) | about 2 years ago | (#41384235)

Neither troll nor living under a rock. Or a troll living under a rock for that matter. Just not American, so I only hear patent cases being referred to as American, rather than Texan.

Re:My Guesses (2)

sumdumass (711423) | about 2 years ago | (#41383081)

A district court in Texas seems to see a lot of patent and copyright cases and the rulings often side with the complainant (read IP owner).

So in short, yes, it's common. It seems to be the court of choice.

The patent system has driven innovation for trolls (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382515)

And who says the system is broken?

High School Kids? (4, Interesting)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 2 years ago | (#41382535)

Most of their technical staff looks to be about 15 or 16...

http://www.personalweb.com/About.html [personalweb.com]

Re:High School Kids? (5, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#41382625)

They're probably the kids of the lawyers who run the company.

Re:High School Kids? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382685)

I hope you and your cousin Steamy take a nice long piss all over those scumbags.

Re:High School Kids? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382819)

Hahaha... you look at the management, and it seems ok... then you start on staff...

Bill misses the beach, but he has a lot of fun programming – too much, actually. If he wants to work on work stuff, it’s programming. If he wants to work on school stuff, also programming. If he wants to work on a personal project, it will probably involve programming. (He will have to get up and stretch someday).

That's not too bad, yet... but then a little bit more down... I think this one takes the cake for "Who the hell puts that up as a positive for their business?!":

Darren Hampton is an eclectic fellow. Despite being risk averse, he often puts himself in a great deal of minor peril. He is PersonalWeb's Quality Assurance Coordinator, but normally lacks the qualities of a coordinated individual.

The guy bursts into laughter at the slightest provocation, which leads to a very bruised noggin as he loses control of his flailing cranial structure. The danger he poses to himself is insurmountable as he cannot find a way to escape his own person or the hilarious occurrences that seem to develop daily.

Besides laughing at things that really have no comical value, he has been known to partake in the listening of mind-blowing techno. He especially likes the parts where it goes “wob wob wob.” He also has a deep addiction to Team Fortress 2 and will likely never free himself of the game. The one thing he hates is stepping on Legos without shoes... and jerks.

Altogether, that's Darren, a guy who finds enjoyment in just about everything and likes laughing at stuff. Sometimes he just doesn't even know.

Other gems:

Julie Ann Apoderado has a difficult time controlling her natural-born ninja skills.

Kevin doesn’t need lots of lengthy, adjective riddled sentences and paragraphs to describe him. No, Kevin needs just one word—Awesome. ...
Kevin plays the guitar, has road rage, and enjoys many other awesome activities

Her life goal is to open up a tiki bar on the beach.

At least, it seems like it's a fun and completely unprofessional work environment... makes me a little jealous...

Re:High School Kids? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41384045)

At least, it seems like it's a fun and completely unprofessional work environment... makes me a little jealous...

Don't you get it? They're laughing all the way to the bank!

Re:High School Kids? (1)

afaik_ianal (918433) | about 2 years ago | (#41383115)

Could explain their web design.

Actually, you're not far off. Their Quality Assurance Coordinator is due to complete their Comp Sci degree this year.

Their "Software Engineer" also plans to graduate this year.

Their "Research Analyst" completed her fine arts degree last year.

Their "Director of Marketing" should finish her Bachelor of Science, Journalism this year.

Odd.

Re:High School Kids? (4, Funny)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#41383937)

Yes, but what does age have to do with it? This guy, for example, is obviously a leader in his field.

Darren Hampton: Quality Assurance Coordinator

Darren Hampton is an eclectic fellow. Despite being risk averse, he often puts himself in a great deal of minor peril. He is PersonalWeb's Quality Assurance Coordinator, but normally lacks the qualities of a coordinated individual.

The guy bursts into laughter at the slightest provocation, which leads to a very bruised noggin as he loses control of his flailing cranial structure. The danger he poses to himself is insurmountable as he cannot find a way to escape his own person or the hilarious occurrences that seem to develop daily.

Besides laughing at things that really have no comical value, he has been known to partake in the listening of mind-blowing techno. He especially likes the parts where it goes “wob wob wob.” He also has a deep addiction to Team Fortress 2 and will likely never free himself of the game. The one thing he hates is stepping on Legos without shoes... and jerks.

If that's not a glowing review of talent and competence, I don't know what is.

Oh, and Clarissa Andrews likes dying her hair!

Re:High School Kids? (2)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#41383971)

I would like to add: Clarissa, if you're reading this I'd do you. Definitely. I don't care about the colour of your hair. You're a hot diggety dog! *KISS*

Re:High School Kids? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41384479)

A word of advice. You might want to change your username before making offers like that on /. Anyway, good luck!

Re:High School Kids? (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#41384979)

Change my username? Like hell! I change my username less than I change my clothes. And the girls, they like it!

Re:High School Kids? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41385135)

Clarissa here... sorry Psychotria, I'm sure you are a decent catch, like all slashdot trolls, but I'm already involved in an illicit and steamy relationship with Denise and Sheena. So far all we do is make out, take baths together and model lingerie for each other, but I have a strong feeling something deeper may develop.

Re:High School Kids? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41384507)

I thought you'd made that up, but no! It reads like an end of term report from a day centre for the mildly retarded.

Go after git itself? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382639)

They cover patents related to data deduplication; finding data in networks using identifiers based on the content of the data; distributing and accessing data; controlling access to data; file systems using content-dependent file identifiers; access control of data; data processing using substantially unique identifiers to identify data items;

Git (the VCS) uses sha-1s as object identifiers. It sure sounds like that is what these guys claim to own.

Their first patent... (4, Informative)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 years ago | (#41382683)

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,978,791.PN.&OS=PN/5,978,791&RS=PN/5,978,791 [uspto.gov] They better go and sue Oracle. This describes the function of java.util.Hashtable.... hangon, that's been around since 1996 and the patent was filled in 1997.

As ABBA said, It's the Name of the Game (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382739)

and it's a time to take these asswipes out back and put them out of their misery.

Lights out in London!

And Welcome, new Slashdot overlord(s). Welcome.

Voulez vous? (0)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 2 years ago | (#41383649)

and it's a time to take these asswipes out back and put them out of their misery.

Or at the very least, take Clarissa, Denice, Julie, Kamren, and Sheena out back, and as a lesson to future patent trolls, give them publicly televised spanking.

It's the Name of the Game (1)

Robert Zenz (1680268) | about 2 years ago | (#41385133)

I like the version from Crystal Method more...well, the uncensored, that is.

Dear Slashdot, please add +6 flaimbait filter. (-1, Offtopic)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | about 2 years ago | (#41382765)

Reading all the articles is bad enough.
Wading through pages of philosophical drivel in search of the good stuff at -1 is just a PITA.

Oral Sex: How to Eat her Out and Make her Squirm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382795)

I love making a woman cum, it feels phenomenal to have that power of having a woman give herself to you during orgasm. To release herself and lose control of her body to the most pleasurable natural experience humans have. I love going down on a woman, tasting her, smelling her, and feeling her with my tongue. Perhaps I am weird but I’m a selfless lover, I’d rather give head than get head (part of it is because women rarely know how to give a good blow job, sorry ladies).

Note: I still believe a woman’s orgasm is purely cerebral and if you combine these techniques with mental stimulation you can be Eros a god of lust, love, and intercourse.

I can’t say I eat pussy the best but I can lick a kitten and I can make it purr for extended periods of time. I’ve never had anyone complain about my technique because my techniques are largely based on their response (positive means continue negative means move away). I want to say that it takes a minute to notice her positive reaction but look for arousal when it comes to her positive reaction, look for discomfort when it comes to negative reaction.

The key to being a great sexual partner is to respond to what she likes and dislikes accordingly, notice whether she likes when you lick all the way up and down, or notice when she likes you lick shorter. You have to figure out what she likes because a woman flows with her mood, even within the same sexual session she may prefer one action or the other, so make sure you realize your goal as a good lover is to fulfill her desire each moment which may be different moment to moment.

Note: There are many entire books written about going down on a woman so understand I can’t cover nearly enough in a blog.

I was going to post some pictures but that will make this pretty R-rated. I want you guys to go familiarize yourself with the anatomy of a woman. You should know where the clit is, where the “g-spot” is, where the anus is, what the labia is, if you want to be good at eating pussy you need to know your way around it. Go study it, if someone asks why, tell them you need to learn to please a woman properly, if you are young and your parents catch ya you’re a curious teenager.

Here is a solid write up I found for you guys on it with some solid stimulation techniques as well.

Female Anatomy Guide

Getting “Down” to it

Ok when it comes down to going down on a woman it isn’t so much what you do but how you do it. It’s not just licking a clit that makes a woman cum, it’s really how you do it. This includes how you start. When I start going down on a woman I don’t go straight for the source, you need a little tease before you start to please.

Starting out Teasing

When I start going down on a woman I kiss every part of her but not her clit, I breath on it, I even get within centimeters of it but I don’t touch it. I build it up, I make the touch more worth it. I make it as sensory orientated as I can this means I start out kissing her thigh or biting her thigh. Yes I nibble a woman’s thigh or bite, it all depends on the woman and what she wants. Before I get to it though it is wet and ready, I don’t tease for hours but I make sure she is ready for that touch. I want to touch to be needed by the time I get to her pussy.

I want a lesson on oral sex from a lesbian, home field advantage and all, but all I got is the advice of one. Here is a quote from someone with home field advantage, this is a quote from Txacoli, a woman who I participated in a conversation about oral sex on a forum:

I start by smelling it and just teasing her with my nose. Then I’ll do a couple of gentle, soft tongue moves from the center towards the clit, with the mouth wrapped around also using the breath to create some pleasant sensations, increasing the intensity with each stroke, I’ll take my time with this, it’s very arousing for me and my partner usually.

Here is another quote on her nose and breath techniques:

  what I do if a girl needs more stimulation, is that I run my nose down her clit until my tongue is in her vagina, then up again, running the nose up the clit, followed by the tongue, so she gets a lot of surface in one movement.

  in the beginning when I still tease her, I’ll put my mouth around the clit and breathe out warm air, followed by the tongue, it’s usually very pleasant. Later when it gets heavier, you can use the breath in and breath out while in close contact with the pussy and add a growl of satisfaction hehe, I don’t think it provides some sort of crazy stimulus, but I think it’s very erotic, well to me it is at least.

When I start out actually stimulating a woman I start very gentle. The clit is a very sensitive area and you can start to heavy and hurt a woman, it’s very important to realize the clit has the most nerve endings of any part of the female body. I prefer to start with the tip of my tongue, so as not to be too aggressive. If I had been stimulating her with my hand already (normally I start out by making a woman cum through her clothes), I can start off a little more direct.

Note: A woman has 8000 nerve endings, that tiny area has that much stimulation so be careful early to not be too aggressive (some women have sensitive clits during the entire experience). The uncircumcised penis has only 4000, but the foreskin of a penis has up to 20,000 nerve endings in it. That said look at how much bigger more skin it covers and there really is only 3 times as much nerve endings. Women are far more sensitive to their clit then men to their penis.

Early on if a woman isn’t fully aroused(one of the reasons I make sure to warm her up) you will need to pull the hood above her clit back to start licking it.

Different Strokes for Different Folks

There are many, many, different ways to stimulate a woman with your tongue, here are a few ideas but keep in mind as I said each moment is different and thus requires a different tool.

-Licking all the way up the clit

-Gently licking the clit with the tip of your tongue

-Move your tongue along the out skirts of her clit teasing it

-Move your tongue in a circular pattern on her clit

-Lick just a little part of her clit

-Wider tongue strokes

-Gentler tongue strokes

-Aggressive tongue strokes

- I will pull up on the area straddling the clit (pelvic bone) and pull the labia up with my fingers while licking her clit. This is a two handed technique for me since I am almost always stimulating their G-spot.

These are ideas that work and I have used all of them even during the same session, basically you use your imagination.

Multiple forms of Stimulation

Women are very sensual, very sexual, very beautiful creatures, they are amazing, they love intimacy, they love touch during sex. They love multiple forms of stimulation. Men have a problem, we have a hard time doing two things at once we are focused on one task at a time, go on try rubbing your belly and patting your head. Girls were always better at it than boys in school.

When I start eating a woman one my hands are everywhere. I grip their hips, grab their throat, grab their breasts, scratch their midsection, my hand moves around, they don’t stay still. When I find something a woman likes I stick with it but I move away here and there to a different erotic zone so that me stimulating that area doesn’t “get old.” Keeping things a little spontaneous is key. There is a point when you get a woman to a point where she is towards climax and you shouldn’t stop stimulating that area at this point, if she is close to climax or is cumming do not stop that stimulation or you can stop her from orgasm.

G-Spot Stimulation

When I eat a woman I also almost always stimulate the g-spot. You use your finger rubbing it at a speed that seems to please her most (though I do alternate a bit teasing early on). A lot of woman need both the g-spot and the clit licking but you should get proficient at making a woman cum from either clit or g-spot orgasm. If you get a woman going you can alternate orgasms, between g-spot and clitoral stimulated orgasm.

Note: There is speculation that the clit and g-spot are two different orgasms and I’d have to agree. This means you can give a woman two types of orgasm at once, boy don’t they get lucky.

When you stimulate the g-spot just like anything else you need to find a pace that stimulates her which means making sure to pay attention to positive and negative reactions and respond accordingly.

Fun Fact

A woman has a higher pain threshold at orgasm due to G-spot stimulation quote:

Whipple’s research has suggested that the sensitive G-spot has a pain-blocking function during labor; when the baby’s head is stretching out the vaginal walls, it might be advantageous to have a little relief. Her studies have found that when pressure is applied to the G-spot, a woman’s pain threshold shoots up 47 percent. Link

At Orgasm

Most of the time when I am going down on a woman I have mental things going on where I tell her to focus on the sensation or how good it feels. So I continue to stimulate at orgasm, because she is only focused on the sensation so she releases when climax comes about or when I tell her to. If you aren’t sure when a woman is about to cum you can read this.

Biting

Oh man biting, I don’t like to get bit, it’s not about the pain for me. I don’t necessarily prefer biting women but during sex at orgasm there is often that point where they enjoy more stimulation. Biting is a small pain but as shown a woman’s pain threshold is higher during g-spot stimulation. If a woman likes when you bite, you can bite their thigh while you rub their clit with my thumb, and simultaneously stimulate their g-spot with your finger at orgasm. It works well and I’ve made women cum very hard with it.

A Technique I’ve never Used

I’ve never tried this technique (mainly because I forgot about it) but this sounds like an interesting thought.

Here is another quote from Txacoli:

Now, when I sense she is going to come I do the following. Usually before she comes, you can notice her clitoris will become smaller, it actually goes inwards a bit and then comes back out when she orgasms. When I feel it going inwards, it’s sure sign she’s coming, at this point I will stop producing any movement with my tongue because it can screw up the whole thing if you get the rhythm wrong and diminish her orgasm. If she wasn’t holding your head before, she will be now, she can’t help herself. I’ll just put my tongue out softly and let her work the rhythm, since during the orgasm the rhythm changes too, especially towards the last bit of the orgasm and in my opinion the best bit, usually she will be making some really slow movements with her hips.

I actually love the concept of it. I want to try it but as I said my technique is mind focused and I have them focus on stimulation so if I stop stimulating they won’t come to orgasm.

Some Last Advice from Txacoli:

Some general tips for the beginners. Don’t lick pussy porn style, it’s not good. Don’t spread her labia with your hands and work the clit with a pointy tongue with your mouth away from her pussy, it’s useless at best and painful at worst. Always make sure your mouth is where your tongue is and you adjust the tongue rigidness to the girl in question. If in doubt, just pretend you are making out with her.

Hope you guys enjoy! Happy Eating!

Why? (1)

apcullen (2504324) | about 2 years ago | (#41382805)

Could someone explain why the eastern district of Texas is friendlier than the rest of the country to these kinds of suits? Are jurors dumber there? Is is more difficult to mount a defense there?

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383017)

it's kind of like hiding your missile silos in a wheat field in Oklahoma. Except it's JUDGES.
Now that you know the secret, go find out who is carrying the football and who keeps building more silos.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383031)

Austin Liberals.

Re:Why? (1)

Silvanis (152728) | about 2 years ago | (#41383043)

Because under the current system, you can sue anyone who is "doing business" in a location. As long as you accept online sales, you are doing business anywhere. Add to that the attractiveness of bringing in lots of court fees, and some politicians in Texas got the idea to appoint judges that would be extremely patent friendly. They then brag about the high rate of settlements/favorable judgements and the speed in which the court will hear your case

Bottom line: marketing and politics created a forum for patent trolls to get a court to back up their extortion. Texas rakes in the court costs, the trolls rake in the settlement/judgement money, and everyone is happy....right? :P

Re:Why? (4, Informative)

Patent Lover (779809) | about 2 years ago | (#41383121)

They have a "rocket docket" which processes patent suits more quickly than other district courts and an attorney licensed to practice in any state can practice before the court.

They sued IBM, did they? (1)

russotto (537200) | about 2 years ago | (#41382855)

I think the Nazgul are going to have a light snack.

How to Eat Pussy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382859)

Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy
because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who
says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college
try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out.
When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's
not going to let go of too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows
it. She won't even tell her girl friends about it or that guy will become
the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who
can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got
it made.
          Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's
most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like
her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell
her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her
legs.
          Now stop and look at what you see. Beautiful, isn't it? There is
nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy. I know. I've seen
plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are
tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips
that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are
covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and
tell her what makes her special.
          Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during
love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you
talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're
petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.
          Now look at it again. Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner
lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up
until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just
like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as
her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her
foreskin.
          Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You
can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means,
to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of
it's own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's
dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to
work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be
handled.
          Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be
teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss
it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to
her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.
            Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face
into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to
further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is
bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to
her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.
          Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy
lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of
pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do
with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.
          Tongue-fuck her. This feels define. It also teases the hell out of her
because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See
if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of it's covering. If so, lick
it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So
bring your tongue up tot he top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may
barely experience it's presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl,
you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and
press into her skin.
          Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit,
hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder.
When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an
O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your
lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder.
          If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis
into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't
fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's
what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'
          There's a reason for that, most men stop too soon. Just like with cock
sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do
well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy
like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling
all over him.
          But back to your pussy eating session... There's another thing you can
do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's
enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, curing or after. She'll really
like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has
another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you
rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far
away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.
          Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore
can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin.
Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them
rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing. She'll
let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at
the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be
giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting
high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is
unique. You may have one who's nipples get hard when she's excited or only
when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble.
Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.
          When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of
that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from
the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving
your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your
fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are
extremely sensitive just now.
          If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this
way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you
realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was
clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have
on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.
          The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come,
made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave
her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep
making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get
off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of
loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those
first few moments after sex.
          Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But
it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your
lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

Tyler, Texas (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382883)

Downtown.

Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382893)

Is this even news anymore?

on Jan 20th around dinner time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382895)

osama will be just another unemployed nigger wandering around the streets of chicago.
oh, I thought the headline was an ad for patently trolling and going after others.
nevermind.

First they came for the Disciples of Jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41382939)

Don't get divide and conquer? You don't sue 4.5 companies with deep pockets (Facebook is 0.5). They will pool their resources to destroy you. Much more effective to go against them one at a time (first they came for the Disciples of Jobs, but I wasn't a Disciple of Jobs.)

East Texas (5, Interesting)

Fnord666 (889225) | about 2 years ago | (#41382943)

With any luck this will backfire since a key judge [wikipedia.org] that made East Texas such a hotspot for patent infringement lawsuits retired [wsfirm.com] from the US District Court last year.

This article [thejuryexpert.com] does a pretty good job of looking at the situation in East Texas with regards to patent trials. It is an interesting read. It will be eye opening to some and a confirmation to others.

Re:East Texas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383577)

What's wrong with you? I hope they win each and every case and this starts something big. Those companies all want the patent system to protect agains us small time devs. I hope they go bankrupt from pat lawsuits. They lobbied in washington for it.

Texas Sucks (4, Insightful)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | about 2 years ago | (#41383035)

> It’s apparent that the people filing the suit don’t understand the technology or the products enough to realize that Rackspace Cloud Servers and GitHub are completely different products from different companies."

The problem is that if you are sued for patent infringement - regardless of the merits of the case - you are up for $2M in lawyers fees and court costs to defend it. Recently a judge speaking out against trolls said $3M - $5M. If you're a small company or worse - a lone developer - that will send you bankrupt. The suit will most likely be filed in a troll-friendly court district such as the East District of Texas as this case was. The judges in E.D. Texas there are notoriously pro-troll and won't dismiss even the most stupid of cases. http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405259/a-haven-for-patent-pirates/ [technologyreview.com]

Trolling causes a lot of damage for innovators elsewhere in the US, but it is huge source of revenue for E.D. Texas. Congressmen from these other districts need to gang up against the Texas trolls and Congressmen: http://www.house.gov/representatives/#state_tn [house.gov]

Re:notoriously pro-troll (2)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 2 years ago | (#41383161)

Dramatization of processing wins for Intellectual Property holders in East Texas. (I know, this is satire, ignore the different country.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46qYCIt954 [youtube.com]

Re:Texas Sucks (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 2 years ago | (#41384225)

If you're a small company or worse - a lone developer - that will send you bankrupt.

Couldn't you negotiate a percentage of the revenue or profits? They should realize that dead companies supply zero royalties.

Biological parasites don't do well when they outright kill the host. A relatively healthy host is the best food supply and is the best strategy for parasites, reproductive-wise. (Mutant parasites can pop up that outright kill hosts, but they tend to not last as long.)

Re:Texas Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41384587)

Okay, so I am confused, can you really not defend yourself in court in America or something?

It is blatantly obvious these people are trolling.
Any company they sued would be able to get their janitors to fill on for them and still win. Even in Texas.

There is written evidence in these comments alone that their patents are worth nothing since they already exist in prior "art".

Oh, patent... (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41383083)

I thought it said patient troll...

Little tip guys, don't drink and slashdot.

Re: patient troll (2)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 2 years ago | (#41383175)

Oh, they are patient too. 12 years is a long time to wait on a partent portfolio before suing, even for something as juicy as trolling.

"The patents asserted in these lawsuits were developed by a company called Kinetech Inc. The portfolio was split up in 2000, and itâ(TM)s now co-owned by PersonalWeb and Level 3 Communications, a large internet infrastructure company."

common sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383371)

This is just fucking retarded on so many levels. Patent trolls are fucking assholes but even then, I wouldn't take on Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, even freaking *IBM* in the same lawsuit.

A rather strong argument (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41383531)

against "non-practicing entities". Let's say... if you obviously don't understand that patent you hold, the patent is empty and void? Seems a fair rule to me. After all, patents are there to provide the creator of the technology a means to monetise it. If you bought the patent, it should be for obtaining the right to deploy the technology. And for that, you need to understand the tech too.

But as a simple ticket to sue, well, you hardly need to understand anything. But the result is undesirable because it causes damage and destruction elsewhere. Weaponising patents isn't what they were invented for (oh the puns), so it's time to put paid to the trolling already.

Re:A rather strong argument (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#41384273)

against "non-practicing entities". Let's say... if you obviously don't understand that patent you hold, the patent is empty and void?

You hit the normal problem of treating a company as a person. Does "you" refer to everyone in the company, the CEO, the research department, paid subcontractors, or the office cleaner?

Re:A rather strong argument (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41384383)

In the case of a company, --which is itself a (legal) person-- if there's not a single (natural) person --among those making up the company-- with domain knowledge anywhere close to the patent, or they simply never made any product (at all|in the domain), then that'd be "fairly obvious". It's also lenient: You need but one person in the entire company to know this stuff. Maybe too lenient, maybe the company should be active in the field somehow.

Subcontracting is interesting only as long as you ignore that "IP" should be about the core business and you really shouldn't outsource that. I mean, hey, it's your secret sauce, right? If you must, you include suitable clauses in the contract that the subcontractor is part of the company for the duration of the contract and for the purpose of patenting. Though it'd be unwieldy and that was more or less the point: Don't fuck around with patents just because you can.

We want patents to be used for helping inventors getting paid; if you'd like to, say, give sureties to your investors, well, you might put a lien on the patents instead of selling them (and under this rule, likely voiding them) outright.

Tangentially we see that companies making "IP" their core business (instead of caring for their core business' "IP") have turned the model upside down, turning themselves into grievous litigation shops along the way, and oh hey we've illustrated the original problem again.

Former VP Dick Cheney could solve this problem (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#41383991)

We just need to encourage him to take these folks out on a "hunting" trip.

Actually, I would like to see blatant patent trolling to be treated as a criminal offense. It's a racket, and should be whacked using RICO laws. These folks set up a shell company and sue, sue, sue. One win is enough to keep them going. If these lose big, and the shell company goes bankrupt, they just set up another one and continue.

The problem is differentiating them from legitimate patent suits. Patent lawyers could help to give direction to law makers. But why should they? The make money on both sides of patent troll litigation.

It will all go well (3, Funny)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#41384179)

Attorney: Judge, we would like to put our QA Coordinator on the stand as an expert witness.
Judge: Darren Hampton [personalweb.com] , please take the stand.
Judge: Please describe your role at the company and your formal qualifications.
Darren: I am an eclectic fellow, but despite myself being risk averse I often put myself in a great deal of minor peril.
Judge: Please proceed.
Darren: Although I am am coordinator, I normally lack the qualities of a coordinated individual. I burst into laughter at the slightest provocation.
Judge: Understood.
Darren: *bursts out laughing*
Judge: *bashes Darren on the head with his gavel*
Darren: Sorry, sir. The danger I pose to myself is insurmountable and I cannot find a way to escape my own person or the hilarious occurrences that seem to develop daily.
Judge: Are you retarded?
Darren: I like to partake in the listening of mind-blowing techno. I especially likes the parts where it goes "wob wob wob."
Judge: Next witness please.
Darren: Wait.
Judge: Ok.
Darren: I have a deep addiction to Team Fortress 2. I also don't like stepping on Legos (sic) without shoes. /me jerks.
Judge: Next witness.
Court Dude: Sheena Walker, please take the stand. [personalweb.com]
Sheena: Oh, hai!
Judge: Sheena, please describe your experience and formal qualifications.
Sheena: I love research! Yay! My favourite holidy is St. Patricks Day and I luuuv green and light green. Like shamrocks, you know.
Judge: Continue.
Sheena: Like, yeah. What was I saying? Oh yeah! I love my Mini Schnauzer, Missy, to death! Yeah!
Sheena: I once took a picture of a sunset!
Judge: What has this got to do with the case.
Sheena: Hey, judgie. I love Big Brother. I once had a piano in my ear! I went to the, yeah, University of Texas! Yeah. I didn't finish but I think I want to one day. I have been debating this with myself.
Judge: You talk to yourself?
Sheena: No, Judgie, I debate with myself. Anyway, hey, in the meantime I am learning like lots.

The patents should be easy to invalidate (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#41384253)

The first patent [uspto.gov] seems to be describing duplicate elimination by hash code (i.e. a Hash Map) when applied to distributed databases (surely as obvious as all the old attempts to add "over wifi" to everything). The second [uspto.gov] seems to refer to the same thing but retrieving a unique access control along with the data.

I'm involved in this - providing prior art (4, Informative)

viewtouch (1479) | about 2 years ago | (#41384393)

A lawyer with a law firm defending one of these companies contacted me and visited me last week to review prior art which I have, with the hope that I can assist them and their client in invalidating one or more of these patents. Tomorrow I will be delivering running a copy of my software to the firm to allow them to closely examine it. Most of the companies which have been threatened with patent infringement lawsuits have caved in and agreed to pay the patent holders (Priceline founder Jay Walker and others) rather than attempt to defend themselves in court, however. We'll see how it plays out.

Re:I'm involved in this - providing prior art (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#41385171)

I don't believe you. I think this whole story is a troll about a troll :(

Biggest troll ever? (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 2 years ago | (#41385121)

I've made jokes in this thread about the company profile [personalweb.com] but I am now wondering if it's a troll in more way than one. Is this a real company that is patent trolling? Or, is it a troll about patent trolling? I am starting to get confused. Surely a real patent troll would create a more professional company profile (??) Surely a company going to court, even in Texas (wherever that is), would have a more "professional" website. Is it April 1st?

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