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Cinnamon 1.6 Brings New Features and Applets

Unknown Lamer posted more than 2 years ago | from the shiny-things-that-work dept.

GNOME 74

An anonymous reader wrote in with news that the GNOME Shell fork, Cinnamon, released version 1.6 yesterday. The release features persistent (and nameable) workspaces, a window list applet, greatly improved notifications (they're collected in one place), improved task switchers and audio control, workspace flipping while dragging windows, and integration with their fork of Nautilus. See the release announcement for more and lots of screenshots (detailed source changelog). From the looks of it, this release is closer than ever to merging the modern Gtk3/GNOME stack with the missing functionality from previous windowing environments.

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Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3's (5, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 2 years ago | (#41387391)

The Cinnamon developers are working hard to make a UI that is useful to the user, and that can be a part of either single task or multiple task workflow. The GNOME3 developers try to cram their views down the user's throat, and impede anyone with a multiple-task workflow. moreover, the GNOME3 devs attitude is, you want something different that used to be user-configurable before, get a developer! GNOME3 and its developers can now die, they serve no purpose and the useful work has been taken up by competent people.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387453)

The Cinnamon developers are working hard to make a UI that is useful to the user, and that can be a part of either single task or multiple task workflow. The GNOME3 developers try to cram their views down the user's throat, and impede anyone with a multiple-task workflow. moreover, the GNOME3 devs attitude is, you want something different that used to be user-configurable before, get a developer! GNOME3 and its developers can now die, they serve no purpose and the useful work has been taken up by competent people.

I've known clem since the early mint days. This guy gets it. If only we had more competent people like him on the WINE project, we might see linux actually overtake windows.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387519)

so you are dumb enough to think that someone who works on a desktop can work effectively on win

slashdot = stagnated

why do you cower? what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41388023)

so you are dumb enough to think that someone who works on a desktop can work effectively on win

slashdot = stagnated

why do you cower? what are you afraid of?

you're completely pathetic.

What?

I was simply saying that we need people who are competent working on the WINE project.

If WINE could run any windows game on the market, photoshop, tax programs, etc

There would be no point in continuing to use windows.

Each new release of wine we get a bunch of random fixes but they don't focus on making sure core programs work with wine.

Tax programs, financial software, photoshop, and yes new popular games, should all just work.

This is the largest thing holding back linux atm.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394591)

If WINE could run any windows game on the market, photoshop, tax programs, etc

There would be no point in continuing to use windows.

Because such a strategy worked out so well for OS2, right?

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41388107)

You misunderstood.

I am saying we need people who "Get It" working on the WINE project.

Core software needs to run on WINE, no excuses.

Financial software, Tax Software, Photoshop, etc.. And the most popular PC games.

Development is so slow that by the time an application is supported a new version is out that isn't.

Linux isn't going to hit critical mass till mission critical software and top PC games all run flawlessly.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388997)

Windows compatibility is pretty pointless, actually.

Why would I run Linux just to run Windows applications? I might as well run Windows.

This is the problem with desktop Linux- it doesn't do anything BETTER than Windows. I mean, what's the "killer app" for desktop Linux? I can't think of one. Lack of viruses and stability are nice, no question, but aren't really enough to make up for the lack of compelling apps that are better than their Windows equivalents.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41389215)

Apt. That's Linux's killer app.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 2 years ago | (#41389237)

This is the problem with desktop Linux- it doesn't do anything BETTER than Windows. I mean, what's the "killer app" for desktop Linux? I can't think of one. Lack of viruses and stability are nice, no question, but aren't really enough to make up for the lack of compelling apps that are better than their Windows equivalents.

A big plus for desktop Linux is that you get a lot of good apps out of box, for no cost, and they can be automatically upgraded along with the rest of the OS.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41389761)

Who really cares about 'out of the box' apps when it comes to PCs these days? Most people download at least a few apps when they do a reinstall (of ANY OS) regardless. In fact 9 times out of 10 all you're getting 'out of the box' are old, outdated apps that need to be replaced as soon as you connect to the Internet anyway, so it's a moot point.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41391257)

it doesn't happen with actual distros...

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41391587)

For many home users though, it doesn't do anything worse either.

Realistically, I started playing my games on an Xbox a good while back, so the gaming part which kept me going back to Windows for so long was out.

Beyond that, I basically need: a web browser, a Bittorrent client, a video player, an audio player, and a podcast aggregator. That basically covers 99% of my computing needs these days, and the other 1% that occasionally crops up is usually on Linux too.

Linux does all that faster than Windows, with virtually no virus/malware threat, and for FREE. Not to mention that after you've been in it long enough, you really get to the point where you prefer the environment. When I'm at a Windows machine these days (either someone else's desktop or at work), I find myself running into problems or situations where I literally think "This would be so much easier if I was at home on my Linux box.".

Gnome3/KDE/Unity crap not withstanding (I'm on XFCE now and its doing fine), Linux is just a better fit for me. I've long given up on evangelism though. If people want to try it then so be it, but other than that I just use it at home and enjoy what it has to offer.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41392857)

Do you realize how many people I could have switched over to Linux had their tax and financial software worked with it????

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

Desler (1608317) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394605)

Probably very few. People say that excuse mostly so that the fanatical Linux evangelists leave them alone.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41398323)

Do you realize how many people I could have switched over to Linux had their tax and financial software worked with it????

You mean like the Java-based tax software that works under Linux right now? Germany's ELSTER software is such an example.
On top of that, there is plenty of financial software for Linux, like KMyMoney.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41403285)

On top of that, there is plenty of financial software for Linux, like KMyMoney.

He said *financial* software, not a bunch of geeks playing around with balancing their checkbooks.

GNUCash is awesome for accounting. Unfortunately it's ugly as hell. People want something that looks like QuickBooks--where their vendor can send them a card swipe reader, they can plug it in, and the software lets the process payments over the internet. They don't want some random vendor sending them hardware where they have to figure out /dev/usb/somedevice paths, put that into text-based config files using emacs, nano, or vi, along with their banking info, maybe using GNUPG to encrypt stuff, blah, blah, blah.

Make GNUCash look like QuickBooks and you'll convert millions.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41406685)

He said *financial* software, not a bunch of geeks playing around with balancing their checkbooks. (...) Make GNUCash look like QuickBooks and you'll convert millions.

Actually he wrote about working tax and financial software. He wrote nothing about looks. Considering that Windows XP is absolutely hideous by default (Teletubby theme, 800x600 wallpaper with JPEG artifacts) and XP still was successful, the looks don't matter to the general public at all.

I also just used KMyMoney as an example. Nowhere I claimed that it's the only Linux software in that genre.

People usually use what they were raised with. Linux and the higher software stack could look like a pixel-perfect copy of Windows (anybody remember XPde?) and yet no mass migration would occur.
That's why it's useless to try to pander to Windows users that way.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#41419777)

Yeah, how is KMyMoney, or Skrooge, or any other financial software package? How short are they of something like QuickBooks?

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41419947)

Yeah, how is KMyMoney, or Skrooge, or any other financial software package? How short are they of something like QuickBooks?

No idea. QuickBooks was not the topic but tax and financial software in general. Germany's official ELSTER software is written in Java and runs on every platform with JRE, including Linux. No mass migration to Linux happened. That's a fact.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#41419771)

TurboTax can be done online (not sure about HnR Block), but if one needs something any more complicated than that, one should go to an accountant and get it done that way. No point in annually buying a new version of your tax software simply b'cos the tax laws change.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

dudpixel (1429789) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395453)

Linux interoperates with linux better than windows does.

That goes for the desktop too.

Sure, that isn't much help in a microsoft world, but when you're working with linux servers, a linux desktop provides the ideal environment to work in.

There's no such thing as one size fits all. There's room for linux in the world.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

bWareiWare.co.uk (660144) | more than 2 years ago | (#41390243)

It is already trivially easy for any App that wants to support WINE to work. Trying to provide an acceptable UX running software whose developers don't care isn't a route to mainstream acceptance.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41398013)

Core software needs to run on WINE, no excuses.

OS/2 ran Windows software better than Windows. Look where it got OS/2.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (2)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392175)

Cinnamon is written in C and Vala and according to ohloh.net, has about 200,000 lines of code.

Wine is written in C++, it has to be in C++ because that's what the Microsoft APIs are. C and Vala are not easy to use, but they're easier than C++. Wine is at 2.4 million lines of code, a nice round twelve times the size of Cinnamon.

And while the Mint team is doing awesome work, they're engineering improvements on something that's already free software. The Wine team is re-implementing APIs based upon public documentation but they don't have access to the original source code. The Wine team also has more ground to cover - Microsoft has a staggering number of APIs and special cases.

You're insulting the wine team needlessly, they're tackling a monumental task. If you think you can do better, go fork the project.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41398351)

I've known clem since the early mint days. This guy gets it.

He only gets conservatism and that's fine but don't act as if his conservative views on software GUIs are the taste of everybody.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (3, Insightful)

rasmusbr (2186518) | more than 2 years ago | (#41387555)

The Cinnamon developers are working hard to make a UI that is useful to the user, and that can be a part of either single task or multiple task workflow. The GNOME3 developers try to cram their views down the user's throat, and impede anyone with a multiple-task workflow. moreover, the GNOME3 devs attitude is, you want something different that used to be user-configurable before, get a developer! GNOME3 and its developers can now die, they serve no purpose and the useful work has been taken up by competent people.

Are you aware that Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome Shell, which in turn runs on top of GNOME3?

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387717)

I think his point is that Cinnamon is a project designed to return a lot of missing functionality to GNOME3 that used to be in GNOME2.
IMO, if everyone involved in GNOME3/Shell had died before release, the state of the linux desktop would be better off.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387821)

Are you aware that Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome Shell, which in turn runs on top of GNOME3?

GNOME's main problems are twofold : putting fucking designers in developer's seats, and putting fucking designers in control of the development process. Designers should be treated like rabid dogs, taken out only when needed, then put them back in cage and throw away the key. Anything less and they'll bring havoc to your project.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41391041)

How are you going to take them back out when needed if you throw away the key?

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41391949)

How are you going to take them back out when needed if you throw away the key?

Well, you can open a cage without a key, it's just more difficult.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (2)

grcumb (781340) | more than 2 years ago | (#41393649)

GNOME's main problems are twofold : putting fucking designers in developer's seats, and putting fucking designers in control of the development process.

No, it's worse than that. They're not even good designers (yes, there is such a thing). I'm not a graphic designer, but I've studied the principles, and have worked professionally with them building everything from stage sets to user interfaces. It's true that engineers can't be replaced by architects and equally that developers can't be replaced by designers. But if you think for a moment that this makes architects and designers anything less than essential right from the beginning, you've got another thing coming.

No, GNOME's biggest load of fail came when they began cherry-picking their input. According to the core devs, those who complained about the missing features and the arbitrary UX decisions were either wrong or missing the point. They tested for the things they wanted, and they got them. They went chasing after a mythical, idealised user of their own invention, and soon enough, those were the only users left.

To be fair, Canonical is embarked on the very same thing, and to a lesser degree, Microsoft is guilty of it with Windows 8[*].

It's a common enough sin: believing that you actually know your audience better than the audience knows itself. But the catch is that this is a key part of what makes good designers good. It was essential to Jobs' Reality Distortion Field, and it's what rightly made him famous.

A great designer, therefore, knows she knows the audience implicitly. A merely good designer, on the other hand, knows she doesn't know the audience implicitly and therefore scales back her ambition to what she does know.

A bad designer doesn't realise that he really doesn't know his audience. And works for GNOME.

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[*] In fairness to MS, they did a lot of things right, but as always, they allowed business logic (and I use that term loosely) to dictate a lot of the implementation decisions. So I suspect they got a bad design by not trusting the designers enough.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (3, Interesting)

MurukeshM (1901690) | more than 2 years ago | (#41387941)

His problem is the GNOME3 team's UI, which is GNOME Shell. GNOME3, aside from UI changes did improve things a lot, but a total divorce from GNOME2's UI is not easily forgivable. And the dependence of GNOME Shell on GDM doesn't improve matters.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

MurukeshM (1901690) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388219)

Sorry, my bad. Didn't see that part about GNOME3 devs dying. I concur with the points before that.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387685)

GNOME3 and its developers can now die

And this is marked +5 Insightful? I'd like to see if the Cinnamon developers could maintain the entire GNOME stack on their own from now on. Not to mention the disregard for human life that rubycodez seems to hold.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (4, Interesting)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388095)

There is also MATE [mate-desktop.org] which is a fork of GNOME2 that looks great.

LMDE is actually the first linux desktop that I've used for an extended period of time because I can stand it. (And it brought me over from OS X when I upgraded that laptop). I never liked how Ubuntu locked to releases and much preferred the Debian rolling release. I've run testing on my servers for years but there had never been a desktop that I really liked until MATE or Cinnamon came along.

My girlfriend is on Ubuntu because "I hate windows and I heard about Ubuntu" but is getting fed up with "New release. Guess what we MOVED EVERYTHING AGAIN!". I don't understand how people use Unity. I have 22 windows open right now all doing something and like switching between them without pretending I'm on a tablet.

Props to the Linux Mint guys. The ones that may actually push Linux onto the desktop.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (2)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 2 years ago | (#41390091)

but is getting fed up with "New release. Guess what we MOVED EVERYTHING AGAIN!".

Use a LTS and don't upgrade (only update). Or use a distribution that is focussed on stability.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 2 years ago | (#41390523)

Then I'm stuck on packages that are a year old if not older.

I've run Debian Unstable, Stable, Testing and all of them manage to upgrade to the latest packages without completely @#(*ing over my entire desktop. The visual changes between Ubuntu releases are as different as XP to Win 7 in some cases.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392071)

If you don't like Unity it's no skin off my back, but I got accustomed to it and found it to be fine. I also switch between my IDE, terminals, browser windows, Remmina, virt-manager, LibreOffice, etc... windows pretty quickly and without issues. I also don't remember any major user interface changes since they introduced it.

Again, if you dislike Unity that's okay but I don't understand the rage it seems to inspire. I find it a lot more intuitive and easy to use than (non-Cinnamon) GNOME 3. I tried Mint, and I liked that too but I was actually getting kernel panics with the default kernels - something that hasn't happened to me with Ubuntu, Debian, or Fedora in at least five years. I probably should have just tried to fix the problem or at least report it to the Mint team, but I just wiped the partition and put Ubuntu back.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

rasmusbr (2186518) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394505)

They're still working on the switching between windows feature (I'm not even kidding). The way it works now is almost bearable when you get used to it, but it still lacks text labels on the windows which makes it hard to tell different windows of the same type apart if you have more than a couple open at the same time.

Canonical's ultimate solution is called "the spread" and is a year late, so far...

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388345)

Yep i tried Cinnamon and it's really good, the only reasons I settled for MATE are the lack of a good working system monitor applet (may be fixed now) and the fact that i couldn't get MyGestures to work with it.

UI element masturbation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41389327)

Cinnamon is taking steps to become yet another KDE by filling the screen by all kind of unnecessary gizmos... The usability of these new features is absolutely horrible :(

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (2)

Yahma (1004476) | more than 2 years ago | (#41390407)

I'll probably get modded down for this, but here goes...
People are trying hard to hang on to their old Win95 style workflow. Nothing wrong with that; however, for me, the old workflow with the start button and horizontal panels at the top and bottom of the screen worked better on the older 4:3 monitors. With today's 16:9 flat-panel displays being ubiquitous, having panels taking up vertical real-estate doesn't seem like such a great idea.

I personally like the way Unity and Gnome-Shell are doing things. Since today's flat panels have more horizontal real-estate, I'd prefer a DE that makes better use of it. This is what the panel in Unity and Gnome-Shell do. They get rid of the old top/bottom horizontal panel, and replace it with a vertical panel on the left. Sure, it can mess up people's work-flow, especially if they are used to the top/bottom panels from Gnome2, as I was; however, after using Gnome-Shell for a few months, I've re-worked my workflow, and actually feel more comfortable with the additional screen real estate afforded by ditching the old panels. Sure there are still issues. But I think people should try it out for themselves before complaining. Of course, it would have been nice for Gnome-Shell to at least give the option to users of having the old panel, even though, I now would never use such an option.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#41391079)

Why not just make it so that you can put the bar on whatever side of the screen that you want?

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

fbobraga (1612783) | more than 2 years ago | (#41391403)

Why not just make it so that you can put the bar on whatever side of the screen that you want?

Easiness to configure/use (no "geek" needed at all, everything must just work :P)

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392079)

Windows has the ability but I haven't heard anyone complain that a "geek" is needed to use Windows.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

fbobraga (1612783) | more than 2 years ago | (#41397483)

Windows has the ability but I haven't heard anyone complain that a "geek" is needed to use Windows.

not to use daily, but to configure/fix simple things is...

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

chromas (1085949) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394311)

You already could move the panels all around; they just weren't there by default. If you're not an icons-only person, several (all?) of the DEs will even rotate the taskbar text (not clocks, though, for some reason).

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392169)

"Win95-style workflow" does not preclude having the taskbar docked to the side of your screen, as opposed to the bottom. Heck, you could do that in Win95.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

opus_magnum (1688810) | more than 2 years ago | (#41391311)

GNOME3 and its developers can now die, they serve no purpose and the useful work has been taken up by competent people.

Like Gnome3 was only gnome-shell. The Cinnamon project only forked a couple (well, now three with Nemo) of projects, I doubt they would have the manpower to maintain the whole of Gnome.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392209)

Agreed. Cinnamon is 200,000 lines of code. The whole of GNOME is around 8 million. Clem and his Mint team are doing awesome work, but they're only improving one tiny (albeit very visible) portion of the whole.

Re:Cinnamon devs have opposite attitude to GNOME3' (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | more than 2 years ago | (#41398089)

The GNOME3 developers try to cram their views down the user's throat

Unlike you, the GNOME devs are very aware that Linux allows multiple GUIs. GNOME 3 implements one approach to GUIs. If you don't like it, use another GUI Xfce, Plasma Desktop or whatever

Clem Gets It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387471)

I've known clem since the early mint days. This guy gets it. If only we had more competent people like him on the WINE project, we might see linux actually overtake windows.

A round of applause (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387477)

A round of applause.

Demo video (4, Informative)

rasmusbr (2186518) | more than 2 years ago | (#41387483)

Here's a demo video [youtube.com] that shows the new changes and features.

It looks to me like they have something pretty close to the ultimate version of the Windows 95-like UI. If this had been around with this amount of polish a year ago I probably would have switched to Mint. Now that I've gotten used to Unity I don't know if I'll switch. Great work anyway!

Re:Demo video (1, Funny)

jiteo (964572) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388497)

You got used to Unity? I didn't know they still performed lobotomies ;)

Re:Demo video (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 2 years ago | (#41389359)

the ultimate version of the Windows 95-like UI.

lxde

I hope this will be better than ICS (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41387487)

Considering that I cannot get Jellybean, I hope this will be better than Gingerbread and Ice Cream Sandwich.

Happy I made the switch (2)

wile_e8 (958263) | more than 2 years ago | (#41387615)

I'll be looking forward to the updates soon. I switched to Linux Mint once Cinnamon came out, it seemed less buggy than Mate while still giving me the use of Gnome utilities that I preferred over XFCE. Cinnamon was feature-limited at first, but Linux Mint + Cinnamon still had most of the Ubuntu goodness combined with a UI direction that made sense. Now that more features are getting added to Cinnamon with every new version, I'm glad I made the switch. My only real question is how to best move my Nautilus scripts over to Nemo.

AMD 64 bug? (1)

greenguy (162630) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388005)

I'm using LMDE, and I really like Cinnamon. However, my desktop has an AMD 64-bit processor, and there's a known bug where Cinammon randomly locks up on AMD 64, so I use XFCE.

Can anyone tell me if this bug is fixed? I'm not about to try it, and risk losing work. I learned about this bug the hard way.

Re:AMD 64 bug? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41388093)

There were a number of Cinammon lock bugs that got fixed about 6 months ago. I haven't seen anyone with a fully patched system complaining about locks for a while now.

Re:AMD 64 bug? (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | more than 2 years ago | (#41391379)

There were a number of Cinammon lock bugs that got fixed about 6 months ago. I haven't seen anyone with a fully patched system complaining about locks for a while now.

Yep. I installed Cinnamon somewhere around June and it locked up frequently enough I moved to Xfce. Shortly thereafter, however, some updates came out that I installed and tried Cinnamon again. It worked well enough I made it my permanent desktop. The only lockups I've had since then were attributable to runaway RAM usage in Firefox, not Cinnamon.

Re:AMD 64 bug? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41388283)

FWIW I've been using Mint 13 on AMD64 and it hasn't locked up. Probably been about 5 months now with no problems.

Re:AMD 64 bug? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41388649)

Mint 13 with Cinnamon - still locks and freezes. My understanding is that its not actually a Cinnamon bug, but rather a GTK/gnome bug and interaction with nvidia drivers.

I moved away for XFCE. The result was a desktop which doesn't freeze, takes a fraction of memory, and is much snappier to boot.

I really like cinnamon but somewhere between gtk/gdk and gnome, the core is fundamentally flawed. In this case, cinnamon really is polishing a turd.
Sure, it might be shiny and nice, but under the shine is still a turd.

Re:AMD 64 bug? (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392255)

I had the lockup bug on Mint 12 with Cinnamon, and I have an AMD/ATI video card (running the open source drivers). That brought be back to Ubuntu, and since 11.10 I have to admit that Unity has become stable and works just fine for me.

Disappointed with Nemo (for now) (1)

thomas8166 (1244688) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388171)

Just got Cinnamon 1.6 and Nemo from their PPA. I was slightly upset that Cinnamon now puts window bars in the center of the panel instead of to the left, but one thing that really irked me was Nemo. I originally had Nautilus in charge of managing my desktop, but Nemo came along and replaced it, and in the process changed the text color for desktop items from white to a dull gray. As someone who uses a dark background this is simply unacceptable, and after an hour of grepping through possible config files for Nemo and googling (some folks over at Ubuntu Forums are having similar problems), I finally gave up and purged it (good thing Cinnamon 1.6 doesn't depend on it). In short, Nemo is probably an idea worth exploring, but it's not a complete replacement for Nautilus. Every desktop I've used, Windows included, uses white fonts with black borders. Why didn't the devs think of this first?

good (1)

101percent (589072) | more than 2 years ago | (#41388545)

This is a great project that has come a long way! I hope it gains momentum and there is cooperation amoungst projects.

XFCE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41389445)

...avoids all the fuss of GNOME this or KDE that and works flawlessly :)

Re:XFCE (1)

DuckDodgers (541817) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392283)

I work with people who really prefer GUIs to command lines. So when I access a server it's over ssh, but for my colleagues I had to set up XRDP. XRDP + KDE and XRDP + GNOME = pain, XRDP + XFCE is just fine. So all of our servers have that combo, and I probably spend more time working in XFCE than any other free software desktop. It gets the job done in a resource efficient way and plays nice with remote viewing right out of the box - what more could you want?

Now if only Fedora would stop pushing Gnome 3 (1)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 2 years ago | (#41389723)

Seriously Fedora, you need to include this as a desktop option ASAP. I put Ubuntu on one of my machines recently. You're losing me.

Re:Now if only Fedora would stop pushing Gnome 3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41390077)

$ sudo yum install cinnamon

This story just makes me hungry... (2)

CCarrot (1562079) | more than 2 years ago | (#41391305)

Mmmmm....cinnamon applets.... ;o)

First impression by user in DE crisis: good! (1)

mugurel (1424497) | more than 2 years ago | (#41392727)

As so many of us, I've been unsatisfied with recent developments in linux desktop environments. Since the advent of compositing, I've moved away from minimalist window managers, to enjoy window scaling/expo and similar improvements in desktop usability. I consider myself open to progress, in the sense that I've tried both unity and the gnome shell. But these last two have never gotten "out of my way", as they proclaim to do, and attempts to configure things to work the way I want have never been completely satisfying either. My most persistent frustrations have been with window switching and workspace management.

I've just given cinnamon 1.6 a try, and I must say that out of the box, it already fits my needs much better than both unity and gnome shell. I especially like the fact that you can name your workspaces, and dynamically expand them at the same time. Window switching without popups and without flicker also works, even if it's not blazingly fast. Lastly, configuration of behavior and layout (both by menu settings and by editing the theme's css) is more straightforward than I dared to hope.

Long story short: Cinnamon is well worth a try if you're lost in the crack between old and new style destkop environments.

GTK3 themes still broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41395625)

Now if only they could fix all the gtk2/gtk3 theming inconsistency and breakage. It's 2012 and my GTK3 app themes are busted out of the box (white text on white background), c'mon ...

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