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Major Backlash Looms For Apple's New Maps App

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the the-all-embracing-googleplex dept.

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Hugh Pickens writes "Michael DeGusta writes that Apple's new Maps app is the very first item on their list of major new features in iOS 6, but for many iPhone and iPad users around the world Apple's new maps are going to be a major disappointment as the Transit function will be lost in 51 countries, the Traffic function will be lost in 24 countries, and the Street View function will be lost in 41 countries. 'In total, 63 countries with a combined population of 4.5 billion people will be without one or more of these features they previously had in iOS,' writes DeGusta. 'Apple is risking upsetting 65% of the world's population, seemingly without much greater purpose than speeding the removal of their rival Google from iOS. Few consumers care about such battles though, nor should they have to.' The biggest losers will be Brazil, India, Taiwan, and Thailand (population: 1.5 billion) which overnight will go from being countries with every maps feature (transit, traffic, and street view) to countries with none of those features, nor any of the new features, flyover and turn-by-turn directions. Apple's maps are clearly behind in some key areas, but they will presumably continue to improve over time. Google has committed to making their maps available everywhere, so it seems likely Google will release their own iOS maps app soon, as they did with YouTube, which has similarly been removed from iOS 6." But what percentage of people who actually buy iPhones lost these features?

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Like any of them poor countries can afford Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388077)

63 countries with a combined population of 4.5 billion people

Yeah, I'm sure some Bolivian dirt farmer is going to miss the traffic report on his new iPad.

Apple knows damned well who their customer base is. And I bet it isn't in those 63 countries. Those are countries where people are buying $45 android tablets [venturebeat.com] . You think Apple gives a shit about spending extra to keep up with subways and traffic there? Give me a break.

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (3, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | about 2 years ago | (#41388217)

Shut the fuck up. Im in Mexico and I sure as hell know it will be piss poor fucked up here. Google works very, very well but it took them a year to do it right. Apple wont do it right. I just know it wont: where are their vans taking pics and surveying my city? I would know if they were doing it. They are nowhere in sight. This really fucking sucks.

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (4, Informative)

somersault (912633) | about 2 years ago | (#41388381)

You presumably don't have to upgrade to iOS 6 immediately. Or are they removing Google apps across all versions of iOS?

If they are going to remove it altogether then do the obvious thing and either crack your iDevice, or buy an Android tablet instead of putting up with that shit.

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (0, Troll)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 2 years ago | (#41388639)

You presumably don't have to upgrade to iOS 6 immediately. Or are they removing Google apps across all versions of iOS?

If they are going to remove it altogether then do the obvious thing and either crack your iDevice, or buy an Android tablet instead of putting up with that shit.

No, only if you want to keep using iTunes, iCloud, etc (basically the things that make apple devices worth having) do you need to upgrade. So go ahead and keep iOS 5!

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (4, Insightful)

Nushio (951488) | about 2 years ago | (#41388423)

On the plus side, between the new iPhone connector and the loss of features like Google Maps, Android's just looking like a nicer alternative. :-)

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (0, Flamebait)

macs4all (973270) | about 2 years ago | (#41388949)

On the plus side, between the new iPhone connector and the loss of features like Google Maps, Android's just looking like a nicer alternative. :-)

Ok, so let me get this straight:

Slashdot readers, and especially the multitudinous Fandroid faction, who, by and large, value supporting a computing platform based on its "philosophy", are now going to argue that Apple sticking with an on-again, off-again "Partner/Competitor", (Google), who can take their ball and go home at any time is actually preferable to them "rolling their own" Mapping solution?

If so, the F/OSS "movement" has just jumped the shark on their entire philosophy.

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (5, Insightful)

OffaMyLawn (1885682) | about 2 years ago | (#41388985)

I am currently an iPhone user, but never bought into the whole "Apple can do no wrong" aspect of things. It was a functional device that allowed me to do what I wanted with it.

But I'm not going to buy an iPhone 5 when my upgrade comes around in November. I was honestly considering a Lumia, but not if all I'm going to be given the option of (being on Verizon) some lower end model. If they do pick up the 920, then I may seriously consider giving it a purchase.

Otherwise, I'll end up with an S3. I'm not married to any particular type of phone (had the original Moto Droid, with no real complaints) but I do tend to dislike when companies do things that just don't seem to make sense from a consumer standpoint. I am aware they don't want Google anything on their phones anymore, for obvious reasons, but I don't like anything done at the cost of experience. Being petty and spiteful really does not serve others well.

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (2)

jeffmeden (135043) | about 2 years ago | (#41388709)

63 countries with a combined population of 4.5 billion people

Yeah, I'm sure some Bolivian dirt farmer is going to miss the traffic report on his new iPad.

Apple knows damned well who their customer base is. And I bet it isn't in those 63 countries. Those are countries where people are buying $45 android tablets [venturebeat.com] . You think Apple gives a shit about spending extra to keep up with subways and traffic there? Give me a break.

Not that there is any point in feeding this troll, but sure I will bite. International markets are eating up Apple devices, to the tune of 3 out of 4 of them going overseas instead of being sold in the US (in the first quarter of 2012). Sure, the market overall is a smaller slice of each of those countries, given their relatively lower per capita income, but it is a very strong demand that has no sign of slowing down.

Re:Like any of them poor countries can afford Appl (3, Insightful)

mark-t (151149) | about 2 years ago | (#41388781)

Did you even read the article?

(Of course not... this is slashdot).

Countries where the iPhone wasn't available aren't counted among the nations affected (because they aren't. It wasn't available there before, so not having it now makes no difference).

But most people will be unaffected. (-1, Flamebait)

AuralityKev (1356747) | about 2 years ago | (#41388133)

It was announced today that almost everyone has a risk of cancer! But not everyone will be affected by cancer. Film at 11.

Re:But most people will be unaffected. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388229)

Horrible analogy, not even close

And they'll still buy the next iPhone (5, Insightful)

danomac (1032160) | about 2 years ago | (#41388135)

Most of their customers will grumble about it, and guess what? They'll still buy the next iPhone. Apple's marketing really helps them here.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (4, Insightful)

rwa2 (4391) | about 2 years ago | (#41388417)

OTOH, Google Maps on the Blackberry was the one killer app that made me go Android as opposed to, say, a Nokia N800. It's probably the one thing that has had the most profound impact on my life and travels... now I rarely / barely plan anymore... I just pop out the map and let it tell me where to go to explore.

Though I'm a bit pissed that Google replaced Yelp ratings with Zagat. Zagat puts way too much emphasis on decor over food quality. Maybe they're a bit more consistent, but I was more interested in what the locals thought. If a small town on the outskirts of a national forest I was exploring on the backroads really thought their Burger King was the best place to eat, then I'd know to push on.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (4, Informative)

afidel (530433) | about 2 years ago | (#41388967)

Except the new Zagat rating's aren't just the official Zagat ratings, they're a weighted blend of Zagat, Google Local, and web ratings including Yelp and Urban Spoon. From what I've seen in my local market they tend to be quite accurate.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (2, Informative)

American AC in Paris (230456) | about 2 years ago | (#41388429)

Apple's marketing really helps them here.

That must be it, because their actual hardware and software are garish, steaming piles compared to the competition.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388719)

Yeah, right. Because I have so many lag issues on my iPhone 4 I must need a faster processor. Right right right.
 
A better processor only matters when you have problems with the existing one. I've never heard anyone complain about this. It amazes me that Slashdotters still don't understand the concept of Good Enough engineering. But keep draining your big batteries on processors that are over powered for what you do with them. A great feature, to be sure.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (2)

crakbone (860662) | about 2 years ago | (#41388867)

Actually every update at the time of a major release has slowed my apple phone way down. It has come to the point now I just wait two months after a release before I update my phone.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388897)

Yeah, right. Because I have so many lag issues on my iPhone 4 I must need a faster processor. Right right right.

A better processor only matters when you have problems with the existing one. I've never heard anyone complain about this. It amazes me that Slashdotters still don't understand the concept of Good Enough engineering. But keep draining your big batteries on processors that are over powered for what you do with them. A great feature, to be sure.

Did you hear me? 18% thinner. EIGHTEEN. PERCENT. THINNER. That's like, take your old phone, and slice it so that you only kept 82% of it, and bam there is your new phone! Do you have any idea how hard we had to work to make that possible? Like its some sort of crash diet, poof you lose 27 pounds, and you are now 18% thinner? No! It was hard! We had to make new little metal ringy things, and we had to come up with thinner glass, and we had to smash the battery until it was more like a liItOhNum battery. And you are ungrateful! You are probably not one of our customers anyway.

Sincerely,
Jonathan Ives

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (1)

zlives (2009072) | about 2 years ago | (#41388481)

they will be able to still get google maps on the iphone as well...?

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (0, Troll)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#41388737)

I will admit, Apple has done a great job Brainwashing people into buying their products.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (4, Insightful)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 2 years ago | (#41388759)

It's strange that after a decade, if the only thing that Apple had going for it was marketing, that no one else has figured out how to market a product......

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (2, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#41388769)

Most of their customers will grumble about it, and guess what? They'll still buy the next iPhone. Apple's marketing really helps them here.

And unlike most Android phones even as old as three year old iPhones get the update.

Re:And they'll still buy the next iPhone (2)

fermion (181285) | about 2 years ago | (#41388821)

Some people really hate that the iphone can't stream movies to a TV. I don't care about that, so it is not an issue. I am in the US, so i assume that I will have the same data. I will tell you the traffic data on google is crap, so when I want such data I go to the local web site that is dedicated to my city. This 'crowdsourcing' of traffic may be better for me on a day by day basis, as there must be a lot of phones around here as there are like 5 Apple stores I can get to within 30 minutes.

This is like the ATT thing. If you live or frequently visit an area without service buying a iPhone from ATT would be silly. But you know what, in my area the online coverage map frequently rates ATT #1, so for me it was a good decision. Likewise, since I am not in brazil, and although spent a lot of time the tropics but never in the southern hemisphere. it really does not apply to me. So yes, if someone buys an iPhone where the feature set is not available, that would be silly. And yes, it is unfortunate if an iOS upgrade is going to result in loss of functionality. Then the solution is not to upgrade. But implying everyone is silly because they don't have the same requirements as you is silly.

Nooooooooo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388161)

You mean a company that slapped something together on a whim doesn't have an app as good as one that has dedicated years into doing such?
Well isn't that the god damn shock of the century.
Not that it honestly matters, I bet the google app will be easily available for download.

Isolation and greed (3, Insightful)

Tommy Bologna (2431404) | about 2 years ago | (#41388169)

Hubris will lead to Apple's ultimate downfall.

Re:Isolation and greed (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388221)

Yeah, I'm sure they're quaking over the nearly 10 million preorders in the first weekend alone. Apple is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

Not.

Re:Isolation and greed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388291)

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but where did you pull the number 10 million?

The only actual figure I can find is 2 million in 24 hours.

There's no need to over exaggerate.

Re:Isolation and greed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388555)

'Over exaggerate' is repetitive and redundant

Re:Isolation and greed (4, Funny)

websitebroke (996163) | about 2 years ago | (#41388625)

You must not be a fisherman. There definitely is an appropriate amount of exaggeration, and too much exaggeratoin.

Re:Isolation and greed (2)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 2 years ago | (#41388553)

Now that the LHC has located the Higgs boson, which gives particles their mass, scientists have moved on to looking for the field that gives entities karma. The search is made more difficult by the fact that karma can only be observed in the hindsight of idealists, in the absence of a strong regulation force. In an effort to reduce the regulation force's effects on the experiment, the scientists have asked all bureaucrats to vacate the laboratory premises. Unfortunately, funding for the project ran out shortly thereafter.

Re:Isolation and greed (3, Informative)

iluvcapra (782887) | about 2 years ago | (#41388683)

On the score of "hubris," to be fair we don't know exactly why Google Maps isn't preloaded on iOS 6. Apple's license to include Google Maps expires this year, and maybe Google wanted gobs more money, or they wanted user information, or if Google just decided to not renew it, full stop. As the Alibaba/Aliyun saga attests, Google's happy to shut down competing products that rely on their infrastructure if they aren't strategic, or as Google puts it, "compatible."

The Google Maps API ain't free, as in beer or freedom. Apple never wrote the Maps app, they asked for it and Google did them a solid by writing it and letting them use it, but they never upgraded it, and Apple had to pay them money for the privilege. Wether or not Google Maps is on your phone, be it iOS, Windows, Android, whatever, is up to Google as much as it's up to the phone vendor.

Voluntary upsetment (5, Insightful)

drunkle j (824263) | about 2 years ago | (#41388193)

Umm, doesn't this only affect those who voluntarily upgrade to iOS6 or the iPhone5? It surely is annoying, but at least they're not pulling a sony (e.g. upgrade-to-iOS6-or-you-can't-use-apps kind of update).

Re:Voluntary upsetment (4, Informative)

ZorinLynx (31751) | about 2 years ago | (#41388243)

Yep, the upgrade isn't mandatory. Also, the Google Maps website seems to work fine on iOS 6, so you're not really losing it. However, the website will never perform as well as a native app so hopefully Google will have one for us soon.

Re:Voluntary upsetment (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#41388357)

Indeed. I won't be upgrading my iPhone 4 until I'm sure that Google has an app in place. I do not feel that I should be caught in Apple's shifting allegiances.

Re:Voluntary upsetment (1)

Christian Henry (810035) | about 2 years ago | (#41388415)

Yep, the upgrade isn't mandatory.

Not yet, at any rate. Within a year, some apps will start requiring iOS 6 (this morning, one of the apps I frequently use was updated, with "Requires iOS 5.0" as one of the changes made).

Re:Voluntary upsetment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388517)

Yep, the upgrade isn't mandatory. Also, the Google Maps website seems to work fine on iOS 6, so you're not really losing it. However, the website will never perform as well as a native app so hopefully Google will have one for us soon.

Google should just give the finger to Apple.
Let the appletards deal with the google maps website (it's good enough), while android users get the best google maps native experience.

Re:Voluntary upsetment (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41388567)

Why would they do that when they make 4 times more money from iOS than Android? The 'appletards' wouldn't be the ones losing it it would be Google.

Re:Voluntary upsetment (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 2 years ago | (#41388611)

Performance issues aside, the google maps website doesn't even have all of the features that the native map application does. I agree, hopefully Google will have one for us soon... and even more hopefully, Apple won't just turn around and deny them on the basis that it "duplicates internal functionality" (it doesn't anyways, Google maps does plenty of stuff that Apple maps doesn't currently do and probably never will, which is why I'm personally quite upset about this move). Although Apple would be betraying their blind prejudice against Google quite clearly if they did not also disallow all the many dozens of other GPS and mapping applications that are currently available for the iPhone.

Re:Voluntary upsetment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388339)

Yup.

This mean I will not upgrade to iOS 6 until they solve this problems. Since I live in Brazil I will loose one of the reasons of having bought an iPhone....

I just don't see a reason why they can't leave the option of buying on the Appstore the Google maps app and problem solved.

Re:Voluntary upsetment (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 2 years ago | (#41388587)

They aren't blocking Google from making a maps app themselves for iOS. Where did you get that from?

Re:Voluntary upsetment (2)

crakbone (860662) | about 2 years ago | (#41388969)

I think he was wondering why the app was not moved to the app store as an option instead of forced removal. The reason of course has to do with the licensing of the app as Apple is losing the licensing or not paying for it anymore.

For those who know ... (1)

oneiros27 (46144) | about 2 years ago | (#41388401)

I highly doubt that Apple's going to give people lots of warning about why you might *not* want to upgrade.

And they still can't make it as obnoxious as what HP did when they pulled Google Maps in WebOS (which was one of the big selling features of the original Palm Pre) -- it tells you that Google Maps is off, and you have to download the new Maps program. Luckily, it has over the air updates ... so you press a few buttons wait 5-10 minutes, then go and use the inferior product. (no, when I search for 'gas station', I'm not looking for some remote outpost in china with 'station' in the name).

And it *really* sucks in that it's forgotten it's downloaded the thing, or it hasn't bothered replacing the link to the icon ... so every few days, you repeat the drill all over again.

Too early for these features. (5, Funny)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | about 2 years ago | (#41388227)

I applaud Apple for once again holding the line on features that are simply not ready for prime time. Better to have nothing at all than something that is not invented by Apple.

Re:Too early for these features. (1, Funny)

BronsCon (927697) | about 2 years ago | (#41388265)

Someone mod parent +5, Sarcastic

Thailand? (1)

hrieke (126185) | about 2 years ago | (#41388235)

When did Thailand become the world's largest country by population?

Re:Thailand? (1)

mister.woody (2712229) | about 2 years ago | (#41388267)

When did Thailand become the world's largest country by population?

I think that the FTA meant the total population of Brazil, India, Taiwan, and Thailand.

Re:Thailand? (1)

Jahf (21968) | about 2 years ago | (#41388269)

They were combining the population of those countries. Poorly written but not that hard to figure out.

Re:Thailand? (1)

ilguido (1704434) | about 2 years ago | (#41388359)

Brazil +India + Taiwan + Thailand = 1.5 billion population 1.5 billion population - Brazil - India - Taiwan = 70 million population That's correct for Thailand population.

Know your market size! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388247)

This post reminds me of the first mistake most people make when developing business plans and estimating market size:

"Well, there are 7 billion people in the world. 10% of the people I know want this product, so we anticipate reaching 10% of the market. We'll sell our product for $10 and have $7B in sales in year one! "

-Chris

The biggest losers will be Brazil, India, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388249)

I assume there must be around 5 iPhone users in India :)
iPhone share is less then 5% in India. Don't think it would be a big loss.

Re:The biggest losers will be Brazil, India, (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388295)

5% of India is still what, 50 million people? That's a fair bit of money.

Re:The biggest losers will be Brazil, India, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388701)

I live in India and there are 16 people in my office with iPhones. I see them all the time in public places.

Re:The biggest losers will be Brazil, India, (1)

cjjjer (530715) | about 2 years ago | (#41388799)

If you have ever been to and traveled in India, Transit and Traffic features won't be missed...

Great news for Nokia (1)

CptPicard (680154) | about 2 years ago | (#41388253)

With their great maps, up-and-coming location services as well as their brand presence in those aforementioned emerging markets.

What is the big problem? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388257)

Just download and add Google Maps back. Surely people (even Apple users) can figure out how to do that.

So much for "It Just Works" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388383)

Would love to see the Google folks have a picture of the walled garden on the splash screen.

Re:What is the big problem? (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 2 years ago | (#41388529)

Where, exactly, do you propose that an iOS6 user download this alleged Google Maps app from?

Re:What is the big problem? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41388871)

I was under the impression that Google had written ther own and it was quite a bit nicer than the old one. It may still be in the approval process ... is it now in conflict with Apple's 'built-in' functionality?

Dammit, Apple (4, Funny)

American AC in Paris (230456) | about 2 years ago | (#41388313)

This time you'd better live down to the expectations of technology pundits.

They're getting really tired of you succeeding despite their most dire prognostications.

Sincerely,
An obviously brainwashed Apple zealot

Re:Dammit, Apple (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41388477)

I'll get you next time Apple, Next... Time...

Re:Dammit, Apple (3, Funny)

na1led (1030470) | about 2 years ago | (#41388785)

Apple has turned into a Religion. It makes no sense, but people still believe in it.

Obvious troll is obvious (3, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | about 2 years ago | (#41388335)

What kind of tech journalism has emerged lately? It seems like every other story on Slashdot I'm yelling at the journalism and I'm not even a journalist.

a) iPhone's never had turn-by-turn direction built-in, this is a new feature which the Google Maps app never had.
b) iPhone's used to have Google Maps app built-in, this will simply be released by Google for free. A 1 minute workaround which most if not all iPhone users are already familiar with. Apple used to have a contract to build-in Google apps, they don't anymore for whatever reason so they rolled a better solution themselves.
c) Apple is not preventing Google or anyone else to continue using the Google Maps features. It still works in the Safari browser including current location through HTML5.

This is yet another guy trolling for page views about things that everyone already knew months ago and nobody complained because it's not a big deal. I don't know why /. is enabling such people.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (4, Informative)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41388485)

The article also acts as though every single iOS user took advantage of those features. For myself, I didn't even know that street view was on the thing until I heard some people complaining about its removal. Why? Because it was a feature I never found myself needing, and thus never checked to see if it had. Same with transit and bike routes. For me, iOS6 maps is a straight upgrade, because we *finally* get turn-by-turn navigation, and it works really well (running the GM).

Even if they were features you used, maps.google.com has you covered. It looks like it has all the features mentioned in the article. And I do not doubt Google will release a maps app, just like they released a Youtube app.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (4, Informative)

slim (1652) | about 2 years ago | (#41388511)

Apple used to have a contract to build-in Google apps, they don't anymore for whatever reason so they rolled a better solution themselves.

If by "better" you mean "worse"... Here's some screenshots someone did comparing the Apple map with the Google map for his neighbourhood in London [imgur.com] .

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41388925)

Providing supporting links in an Apple related story is considered flamebait.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388537)

Just a quick question. You do know that Apple tells developers that they cannot put apps that compete with Apple's Built-In Apps, right? Google Maps may may it one more iteration, until Apple's is almost ready. Then it will be denied and pulled.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | about 2 years ago | (#41388619)

That's an old, old policy. Now there are many alternative browsers, mail clients, calendars, etc.

Yes you do know. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388733)

I don't know why /. is enabling such people.

Because /. is nothing but one big phat troll. It's existence wouldn't truly be missed by anyone but Dice any longer.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388783)

b) iPhone's used to have Google Maps app built-in, this will simply be released by Google for free. A 1 minute workaround which most if not all iPhone users are already familiar with. Apple used to have a contract to build-in Google apps, they don't anymore for whatever reason so they rolled a better solution themselves.

Please, continue telling us how the new solution is better.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

MrDiablerie (533142) | about 2 years ago | (#41388815)

Someone mod the parent up. It's easy to troll Apple without looking at how this will really affect users.

Long term? Short-term backlash better for Apple... (5, Interesting)

Jerslan (1088525) | about 2 years ago | (#41388353)

... than being dependent on their biggest competitor.

If they had waited until they had *all* the features in *all* countries to roll it out it could mean several more years of Google Maps, which had a severely limited API on the iPhone. The new maps app may be limited, but it's also far more extensible. IIRC they added the ability for an app to register as a data-source for transit or bike paths or walking directions. That's something you couldn't do with the old API. This allows cities and/or transit companies to make their own apps that can account for train/bus schedule a lot more reliably. Maps have turned out to be a critical feature of Mobile OS's. Why wouldn't Apple want to have more direct control over what the Maps in their OS can and can't do?

Google will release it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388355)

Google will release a Maps app, just like they released the YouTube app.

Maps app? (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | about 2 years ago | (#41388361)

Only a sap would grapple with apple's map app. It's a trap.

Re:Maps app? (3, Funny)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 2 years ago | (#41388613)

*claps*

Re:Maps app? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388697)

Oh snap.

Google will make a Maps app for iOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388413)

Does anyone believe Google won't release a standalone Google Maps app for iOS? They've done so for every other major service they provide, in some cases providing a better experience on iOS than even on Android.

If anything, maybe we'll finally get turn-by-turn nav in Google Maps on iOS as a result of this.

Why would Google want to abandon tens, or possibly hundreds, of millions of users, when their business model is based on maximizing eyeballs?

Re:Google will make a Maps app for iOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388795)

I can see the news that google maps has been pulled from the app store since it will duplicate an existing feature that apple has.

What is the big deal here? (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#41388435)

Maybe I'm a bit simplistic on this but what is stopping iOS users from downloading the app they want. My impression is that you'll be able to get Google Maps as a separate app if you want it. Apple has changed the backend data for their application. For some it's better; for some it's worse. As for YouTube, Apple doesn't want to maintain a YouTube app and so it will no longer be available by default. What's stopping others from making such an app? People complain about the walled-garden but then the complain when given more choice.

Re:What is the big deal here? (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41388841)

There's nothing stopping them, which is why this article is pointless. Google already released a Youtube app, and it's better than the original one ever was. As of this moment, however, there's no Google-made maps app on the App Store...but odds are good that Google will release one sooner rather than later.

Re:What is the big deal here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388961)

actually google has released a youtube app already. I do agree with you.

Re:What is the big deal here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41389003)

Maybe I'm a bit simplistic on this but what is stopping iOS users from downloading the app they want. My impression is that you'll be able to get Google Maps as a separate app if you want it. Apple has changed the backend data for their application. For some it's better; for some it's worse. As for YouTube, Apple doesn't want to maintain a YouTube app and so it will no longer be available by default. What's stopping others from making such an app? People complain about the walled-garden but then the complain when given more choice.

Ok but will you be able to set it as the default maps app (say the one that pops up when you click an address in your address book)?

The best thing about the article (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#41388445)

The best thing about TFA is that someone actually took the time to sit down and calculate all of that, purely for the sake of hyperbole.

Epic.
 

if slashdot is just going to apple bash all day... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388469)

i don't need to read it. it's clear who butters slashdot's bread.

turn-by-turn (3, Insightful)

feldsteins (313201) | about 2 years ago | (#41388473)

Why is Apple always the villain around here? Remember that one time when Google implemented turn-by-turn directions for iOS maps app? Yeah, me neither. Besides, I trust Apple more. With them, I'm the customer. With Goolge I'm the product...with my personal information being sold to advertisers. Google already reads my email, knows my web searches, sees my RSS feeds and more. I want them also knowing where I go?

sensationalism (3, Insightful)

th1nk (575552) | about 2 years ago | (#41388475)

"Apple is risking upsetting 65% of the world's population"

Are you fucking kidding me?

Occupy Apple (2)

Spritzer (950539) | about 2 years ago | (#41388801)

We are the 65%!!!

Thank Dog! (3, Funny)

macbeth66 (204889) | about 2 years ago | (#41388495)

I am taking Friday off and plan to disconnect myself from the world for the weekend. Maybe this whole iPhone silliness will have blown over by Monday.

HYPERBOLE defined! (1)

NuAngel (732572) | about 2 years ago | (#41388561)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Apple had sold 4.5 BILLION iPads and iPhones. This article doesn't deserve clicks it's written so poorly. I'm not an Apple fanboy, (quite the opposit, as evidenced by my Windows 8 RTM laptop and my Windows Phone 7 HTC Arrive) - but this is clearly biased writing. I agree with the person who says "Senationalism!" http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3129133&cid=41388475 [slashdot.org]

Only the perdy sheeplez will lose out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388563)

The rest of the people with brains will be fine, they don't waste money on iShitOnU (tm) products.

Class me as Troll, at least I wasn't stupid enough to buy anything from a company based on product idea theft.

Re:Only the perdy sheeplez will lose out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388913)

yeah i hate those fuckin normalfags going around talking on their ifag iphones, having sex, living productive lives, etc. what a bunch of fuckin losers! i'm sorry but i refuse to allow any ifag bullshit in this basment! not even when my mom comes down to tell me to take a shower!

4.5 Billion without iOS features? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388565)

I must say, based on that the human race is doing really well for itself.

Should we have a celebration of iFacts?

Was Google banned from Appstore? (4, Insightful)

ugen (93902) | about 2 years ago | (#41388617)

Was Google banned from Appstore? If not, their mapping app will be (if not already) available as a free download for all.

Google stands to lose more in the long run than Apple from this. While I appreciated being able to use public transportation schedules in Bangkok and Hong Kong on my iPhone, that's a small convenience. At the same time having my location, movements and destinations sent to Google in exchange for this convenience is not particularly desirable. I went along with this for the lack of reasonable choice.

Now that a different mapping solution is available, my location will "only" be sent to Apple and their partners. As long as they don't sell this information to Google (that's what competition is good for) this is one less element of comprehensive profile on me that Google can build.

As far as features go, I am sure in time Apple's own maps will get public transportation info for other countries.

BTW, Google public transportation info was off quite a bit (both in US and elsewhere) making it sometimes less than useful. Hope Apple does better. As far as traffic goes, in my experience Google is wrong more often than not (other than generally painting everything yellow-red during rush hour, which is self-evident). They apparently use returned data from mapping apps on mobile devices to gauge traffic conditions (here, another reason they need app on iPhone) I stopped using their traffic information a while ago.

Disclaimer: I don't *like* any large enterprise or product. I use iPhone because it best fits my requirements for mobile device. I am also a Windows and Mac user, and develop software for Windows, Mac, Linux, FreeBSD and a few other platforms. :) In case any of the "anti apple" crowd pull out their usual fanboy slogans.

iOS6 maps has fantastic feature - third party (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41388623)

One thing overlooked in the discussion of iOS6 maps, is that they have a fantastic feature not found on other platforms - the ability to locate applications that help you find routes by region, within the map itself.

What that means is that an application devoted to helping you find your way around a specific city, can register a geofence around that city that applies to that app. When the user is in that city looking up things on the map and wants to find their way to something, they can all up alternate routes and what appears is basically an app store just for that region produced by finding all the apps that have that location inside the geofence they proclaimed.

This will make it really helpful to find guides and other applications specifically tailored to a place without having to hunt across the whole apps store - and it helps the apps get discovered that might not have been otherwise.

4.5 billion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388631)

I didn't realize how many iPhone users there were. Dang, no wonder Apple has so much money.

Oh, you are counting the population of the entire country... I don't think that is valid when saying how many people it affects. It only affects the people WITH THE PHONES.

like google had nothing to do with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388669)

Why are people claiming Apple messed up with this?
      First, google originally got their map data from TomTom, just like Apple is doing now.
      Second, Google is the one whom has more-or-less stop developing their maps API the day Android was officially announced. This basically forced Apple to find another map provider.
      Third, Maps.app has never provided Street View. (Has the author even used the app?)
      Forth, Apple actually wrote the maps application to began with. NOT google. Google could have released their app any time in the last 4 years since the app store opened, they haven't.
      Fifth, the new Apple Maps App blows away anything we've had on iOS to date. Some areas will have some gaps at first. It really isn't a practical issue for 98% of users worldwide.

Re:like google had nothing to do with it (2)

mark-t (151149) | about 2 years ago | (#41388937)

Third, Maps.app has never provided Street View. (Has the author even used the app?)

You're far from the first person to not realize that the Google native iOS map app had Street View. It did... and has had it for a very long time.

To access Street View in the Google maps app, place a pin, then touch the pin. Wait a moment for the info to download, then touch the orange portrait icon on the side of the popup, which will bring up a Street View of that location.

Although I will concede the point that the mechanism for accessing Street View may be a bit obscure, given the limited interface available on a pure touchscreen device like the iPhone, I'm unsure how else Google could have implemented this to make it more obvious.

more incentive to update Open Street Map (OSM) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41388687)

Given the population in Thailand/India/Brazil/Taiwan, this shortcoming could be a moot point rather quickly. Just go update the OSM data in each user's area, upload, voila, problem solved.

That's fine. (3, Insightful)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about 2 years ago | (#41388773)

They can do whatever they want with their Maps application, as long as they don't block Google from releasing their own. It's one thing to block other people's applications (such as browsers) because they provide insignificant functionality compared to what you already have. But this is a whole different matter. It's unacceptable to eliminate important functionality that you advertised and that people rely on. It's even worse if you do it because you have some childish pissing match with another company. Sony pulled this shit and paid a serious price for it (although IMO they haven't paid enough). I would hope that Apple learns from Sony's mistake.

Keeping my fingers crossed (2)

gelfling (6534) | about 2 years ago | (#41388803)

Apple sues the earth for stealing their intellectual property of inventing 'geography'.

Transit will be sorely missed (1)

Y-Crate (540566) | about 2 years ago | (#41388935)

Apple claims 3rd party transit apps do a better job, but honestly, they often don't.

I've tried a large number for a few major U.S. cities. If you want to find out every single bus or train that passes nearby, they're just great, but I find them clunky as hell when it comes to route planning, and that's how I believe most people use them most of the time.

"Will I drive or take a train / bus?" is a question without a definite answer in most American cities due to the limited or growing transit systems. For example, L.A. is getting back to its mass transit roots, but there are a lot of trips that really demand a car.

With Google Maps, I can effortlessly switch between auto, transit, biking and walking for a proposed trip. One finger-press and it's done. Then I can see multiple routes on the map, or a plain, readable list. Total time, connections (if any), the next best time to go... It's really ideal and has been indispensable. It's honestly the thing that pushed me over the edge to buy the iPhone in the first place.

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