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Motorola Seeks Ban On Macs, iPads, and iPhones

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the another-day-another-patent-battle dept.

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bonch writes "Google-owned Motorola is asking the International Trade Commission to ban every Apple device that uses iMessage, based on a patent issued in 2006 for 'a system for providing continuity between messaging clients.' Motorola also claims that banning Macs and iPhones won't have an impact on U.S. consumers. They say, 'With so many participants in the highly competitive Wireless communication, portable music, and computer market, it is unlikely that consumers would experience much of an impact if the requested exclusion orders were obtained.' The ITC has yet to make a decision."

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rollin.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391567)

69 get

Moto can lock them out of a big part of the cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391573)

Motorola can lock them out of a big part of the cable market if they really wanted to may say makeing it so apple can't use a Motorola cable card or have it work in a Motorola system.

Re:Moto can lock them out of a big part of the cab (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391767)

No, they can't. The patents in question with cable are FRAND, so at most, Apple might be forced to pay a small tithe.

Re:Moto can lock them out of a big part of the cab (-1, Troll)

samkass (174571) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392053)

No, they can't. The patents in question with cable are FRAND, so at most, Apple might be forced to pay a small tithe.

Google has not hesitated to sue and try to get injunctions based on FRAND patents in the past, unlike Apple.

MotoTroll-uh (1)

swschrad (312009) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391967)

I go back to the first dispute settlement... Build a man a fire, they're warm for a night. Set a man on fire, they're warm for the rest of their life. which are you after, MotoTrolls?

Of course they won't.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391577)

It'll never happen, But it's a way of getting patent fees out of Apple (unless they refuse, in which case better hope the Texas courts have a gap).

Re:Of course they won't.. (5, Insightful)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391679)

This is becoming MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). Maybe that's the point. Maybe Motorolla is trying to teach Apple how to play Tic-Tac-Toe. Number of players: 0

Re:Of course they won't.. (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391821)

Exactly what I was thinking! I love it! Corporate version of MAD! On the time line of chest pounding this is the official point where those exponential graph lines start soaring directly upwards.

This is all great news, because this means the war will be over sooner than later! Reconstruction always has more opportunities and innovation anyway, so I for one am cheering this on!

Re:Of course they won't.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391891)

Exactly. Once this is affirmed, we can begin step 2: slowly destroying patents and the systems that create them.

Re:Of course they won't.. (5, Funny)

f8l_0e (775982) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391965)

Strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Re:Of course they won't.. (1)

gorzek (647352) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392059)

If by "don't play" you mean "don't get any patents," that will get you sued out of business.

If, instead, you mean "don't get into the business of making consumer electronics," then yeah, you're pretty much right.

Re:Of course they won't.. (3, Funny)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392023)

Lets see
apple strikes first winner = NONE

MS strikes first winner = NONE

Google strikes first winner = NONE

Re:Of course they won't.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41392113)

greetings dr. falken.

Re:Of course they won't.. (5, Insightful)

ReverendLoki (663861) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391721)

I would say it's more of a way to get Apple to lay off suing Android device manufacturers for patent violation. If you have enough ammo in your patent war chest, no one's going to take pot shots at you. Certainly worked for IBM, anyways.

I don't know if this move is at least in a little part an attempt to get Apple to back off on suing Samsung (is that bit about an Apple device ban not effecting US consumers lifted from Apple v Samsung comments?), but it might do so anyways.

Re:Of course they won't.. (4, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391983)

Christ, can't we just start shooting all the lawyers and get this over with? The whole thing is an increasingly mad dash to innovation armageddon. I think no patent system at all would be better than the absurdities of this.

Google, Apple (5, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391581)

Stop this bullshit and direct your lawyers to lobby to change the laws on software patents instead. Don't you think your money would be better spent on innovation?

Re:Google, Apple (4, Insightful)

rainwater (530678) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391627)

Companies like Apple feel like the only way to maintain is to stifle the competition not to keep innovating.

Like who again? (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391655)

Companies like Apple feel like the only way to maintain is to stifle the competition not to keep innovating.

And yet now we find it is Google doing so, not Apple.

Both are equally guilty of bullshit.

Re:Like who again? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391719)

I believe the consensus is that Google acquired Motorola largely for its patents so it could counter-sue Apple and anybody else who has been aggressively suing Android products as a more or less defensive measure. If Google won't show that it'll fight back, Apple and anybody else who wants to will sue Android, or Android manufacturers, into oblivion.

Re:Like who again? (5, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391733)

What would your response be to the bully on the playground? Bend over?

Re:Like who again? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391897)

What would your response be to the bully on the playground? Bend over?

If the bully were Apple, many Apple fans like SuperKendall wouldn't think twice before bending over and taking it without even as much as asking for lube.

Re:Like who again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41392019)

What would your response be to the bully on the playground? Bend over?

How do you think goat.se got his start?

I bet nobody fucked with him on the playground!

Re:Like who again? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391749)

Unless Google fights back, Apple will topple them. Pacifism is neat in theory, but it won't get you far in the business world. Google is guilty of nothing but self defense. If Apple stops trying to get Motorola phones banned and Google continues, THEN you can say they are guilty.

Not complaining about Google fighting back (1, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391885)

I totally agree Google should fight back.

I just think it's bullshit to complain about Apple's abuse of patents because they seek to ban SOME devices from ONE manufacturer, while Google seeks to prevent the sale of EVERY Apple computer and iOS device.

If you're going to be mad about patent abuse be mad consistently, is all I ask.

Re:Not complaining about Google fighting back (0)

CCarrot (1562079) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392065)

I totally agree Google should fight back.

I just think it's bullshit to complain about Apple's abuse of patents because they seek to ban SOME devices from ONE manufacturer, while Google seeks to prevent the sale of EVERY Apple computer and iOS device.

If you're going to be mad about patent abuse be mad consistently, is all I ask.

I guess that's one of the risks if your company chooses to focus on creating and pushing absolutely identical clones of one product, instead of providing a range of devices with different options and hardware from competing manufacturers...it's an all the eggs = one basket kinda t'ing. If your device violates a patent...all your devices are likely to violate the same patent in the same way.

On the plus side, it's sure a lot easier for your customers to find cool cases and custom screen protectors. :o)

Re:Not complaining about Google fighting back (5, Interesting)

mystikkman (1487801) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392103)

I just think it's bullshit to complain about Apple's abuse of patents because they seek to ban SOME devices from ONE manufacturer, while Google seeks to prevent the sale of EVERY Apple computer and iOS device.

I was expecting more knowledge and intelligence from a prolific Apple fan follower and poster. Maybe I was wrong.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/ [engadget.com]

http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-sues-htc-again-iphone-maker-scared-android-smartphone-makers-210931 [ibtimes.com]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20090552-17/apple-sues-motorola-over-xoom-design-report-says/ [cnet.com]

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/24/013245/apple-sues-htc-again-over-patents [slashdot.org]

Have you been sleeping under a rock or does facts not favorable to Apple just don't penetrate the thick RDF?

Re:Like who again? (5, Insightful)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391853)

I am tired of this constant meme although I am not a big fan of Google.

What Google is doing is perfectly right from a moral, legal and commercial perspective. Apple started suing Android makers first(though Motorola beat them to the punch by a few weeks with a lawsuit and request for a declaration that it didn't infringe certain Apple patents after talks broke down). If Apple gets an injunction against Motorola for their silly patents over multitouch etc., Motorola will have to either stop selling handsets or pay $30 per phone which will kill their phones. Why should they not retaliate so that they have a chance of a negotiated settlement if that happens?

Also, big companies like Apple must be taught a lesson that if you start litigating, you should expect no mercy from the companies you're suing exploiting the exact same legal loopholes. If that's not done, other companies(except NPEs) will not think twice before suing competitors. Why should Google unilaterally disarm again? Just because they're your favorite company is for once on the receiving end of the same shit it is flinging all over everyone else? Motorola is not suing Samsung, HTC etc. here, but Apple is. Go figure out why

Re:Like who again? (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391899)

Looking at the history of the companies, can you present a alternative that would allow Google to compete against Apple when Apple keeps stifling innovation through abusing the patent system? The last 5 years have been full of Apple abusing patents to stifle other companies.

Any in case, there motivation doesn't matter because this is win-win long term for the consumer.
The are successful, and a lot of people start looking at the patent system.
They loose, and future similar suits will be weaker.

Re:Like who again? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391951)

Meanwhile, Apple is innovating beyond all the rest combined.

Re:Google, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391707)

Companies like Apple feel like the only way to maintain is to stifle the competition not to keep innovating.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Legal bullshit loopholes and horrid patent law have done this damage. Apple is merely capitalizing on the same damn thing everyone else is.

And they win because they have more money to blow.

Re:Google, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391901)

If Apple doesn't want to be sued for VALID patents, perhaps they should stop suing for bullshit patents for ideas they stole from other companies.

Google already working to limit software patents (4, Interesting)

DragonWriter (970822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391787)

Stop this bullshit and direct your lawyers to lobby to change the laws on software patents instead.

Google is doing all of the following:
1) Lobbying against the existing software patent regime,
2) Working very hard (e.g., via amicus filings in cases to which it is not a party) to get the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit to stop blatantly ignoring Supreme Court decisions (particularly, Bilski) limiting patentability under the existing patent laws, so that patents that are invalid -- under the standards set by the Supreme Court interpreting existing law -- don't keep getting upheld by the Federal Circuit, and
3) Using its existing patent portfolio against Apple so long as the existing patent regime is in place, and given that Apple started the patent war against Android.

Given the existing patent situation -- both the laws on the books and the way the federal courts apply them -- Google will be foolish not to aggressively use its patent portfolio against firms that are aggressively using their own portfolios against Google and Google partners, even while they are working to reshape the rules in a way which would eliminate or vastly reduce the opportunity for such warfare.

Re:Google already working to limit software patent (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392063)

Yeah, I know the situation is complicated, and I'm glad that (it sounds like) Google is doing something. The whole thing is just incredibly frustrating, and given that I want to start a business some day (possibly soon) and that the situation for a bit player is much grimmer if you happen to implement the wrong feature that's listed among the thousands of active patents in existence, I can't help but be a little angry about the whole thing. Were software patents not being granted, we could be years ahead in technological progress.

self defense = evil (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391593)

google said they werent going to be evil, so why arent they just turning the other cheek? self defense is evil!

Re:self defense = evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391737)

To stop others being evil.

Patents are BS but Apple needs to be taught a lesson.

I'm sure Google would rather there were no patents bt when Apple is trying all it can to get Android devices banned, I want Google to succeed.

ban ban ban (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391599)

Lets ban everything! I seriously hope this will pass.

What goes around comes around... (3, Insightful)

jerpyro (926071) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391601)

Good to see Apple getting patent trolled. Sorry to all of the Apple fans out there but I hate today's Apple more than I hated '90s Microsoft.

Re:What goes around comes around... (1, Flamebait)

joeflies (529536) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391681)

So patent issues are only evil if apple does it first?

Re:What goes around comes around... (4, Insightful)

Splab (574204) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391699)

No, but they fired the first shot, now they are going to get hit by everything the other teams can find.

Re:What goes around comes around... (4, Informative)

Dupple (1016592) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391791)

Nokia fired first and Apple paid $600 million and something $20 a hand set on going

Depends how far you want to go back though.

Apple sued MS back in the eighties over look and feel and didn't win that.

Samsung sued LG last month, but it hardly got reported. There are no saints and angels here

http://www.devicemag.com/2012/09/11/samsung-sues-lg-for-alleged-oled-technology-theft/ [devicemag.com]

Re:What goes around comes around... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391835)

I'm interested to know how it is you see Apple as firing first. Because... well, they didn't.

Apple v. HTC, Apple v. Samsung, ... (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391939)

I'm interested to know how it is you see Apple as firing first. Because... well, they didn't.

Actually, they did; they fired at Android device manufacturers. The major ones were HTC and then Samsung. While with Apple the hardware and software pieces of the ecosystem are all in the same company, with Android the handset manufacturers and the mobile OS developer are separate companies (but they depend on each other with regard to the success of Android products).

Re:What goes around comes around... (3, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391807)

Until software patents are simply gone ... then this would be the correct response, I think. "Okay, Apple, if you want to start suing based on these silly patents, we'll sue you, too."

Who started it *does* matter. Bully picks a fight in school? I would not stand there and be beaten to pulp. I would fight back. It *does* matter who started it, because actions based on unprovoked aggression vs. those same actions in self defense are significantly different.

Re:What goes around comes around... (0)

jmerlin (1010641) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391947)

I'd also like to point out that Apple didn't do the patent troll first. Though I'm sure now that they are trolling, Apple fanboys will credit Apple with the idea of obtaining overly-generic patents or patents on things that already exist then suing their competitors with them. They'll call it the iPatent for sure.

Re:What goes around comes around... (5, Funny)

A10Mechanic (1056868) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391729)

The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. Begun, the Patent War has! (You can decide which side is which...)

Re:What goes around comes around... (2)

Apu de Beaumarchais (2023822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392007)

Are you implying that Tim Cook is secretly leading Google into attacking Apple to somehow give himself more power and will eventually issue an order to the retail people to kill off the members of the board and other shareholders so there's noone left to oppose him? If so I find your ideas interesting and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Re:What goes around comes around... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391797)

Good to see Apple getting patent trolled. Sorry to all of the Apple fans out there but I hate today's Apple more than I hated '90s Microsoft.

The only people I see hating apple are people who
A: have tons of time invested learning Windows and now their friends don't have to call them any more and
B: People who do not understand that the software is what its all about...

Under our Draconian software patent laws, GooMoto can sue Apple for this obviously way to broad and never should have been granted stupid patent

They can sue, but they have not won... yet, if ever...

Samsung OBVIOUSLY down right copied Apple in their line of [popular] products.... Apple DID NOT copy anyone to make iMessage... just because this patent happens to be so broad as to coincidentally cover how iMessage works does not make it the same thing as down right cloning of features.

Apple is innovating. period.
The rest are riding their coat tails.

BTW- Why do you hate Apple? [most people cannot answer this question with real reasons]

Re:What goes around comes around... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391931)

Are you fucking serious? Rounded corners, swipe to unlock, and bounce back scrolling were the issue during that patent battle. How is this any different?

All of it is bullshit, but as anyone who's ever studied any military theory knows, or who's ever played organized sports, the best defense is a good offense. Google's only firing back against Apple. You can't declare thermonuclear war on a company and expect them to sit still and take it without firing back.

Re:What goes around comes around... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391979)

Yes, you and every bitter open-system person in the world.

Why not (4, Funny)

Iniamyen (2440798) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391605)

Can they seek a ban on skinny jeans for men, too? Because those are really annoying. Oh, and thick-black-rimmed glasses.

Re:Why not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391649)

can i just vote for you for president? i think an anti-skinny jean platform would make you the front runner.

Re:Why not (1, Flamebait)

lgw (121541) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391919)

While I support your platform, and you have my vote for president, I'd first like to see all existing apple products seized and shredded in front of their owners, just to see the sweet, sweet tears.

Oh, and jail time for doing anything "ironically".

Re:Why not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41392047)

I'd first like to see all existing apple products seized and shredded in front of their owners

I'd prefer to see the owners seized and shredded.

Translation (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391617)

Motorola: "...And nothing of value would be lost."

Right back at you Apple. (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391639)

HAHAHHA.
That's a great retort to Apples actions. IT's what Apple has asked for in theitr lawsuit(to shut down everyone else), and as a side note, I suspect this would change patent law.

How is this equal? (-1, Flamebait)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391745)

Apple asked to stop shipment of specific Samsung devices they felt violated trade dress. Not all of them.

Motorola is seeking to block all Apple devices with iMessage. That means every computer, every phone, every iPad, every iPod touch.

How is it exactly you feel that this is revenge in equal measure or a "great retort"? It seems like some bullshit (from Apple) was met by Super Extreme Mega Bullshit (from Google... er Motorola).

That doesn't seem like a great retort. It seems petty.

Re:How is this equal? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391851)

How is this different? If the courts rule that iMessage does actually violate this patent... then wouldn't all of those devices you listed, in fact, violate it? Just as Apple was seeking injunctions against Samsung devices that they claimed infringed.

This is the patent you all claimed to hate (0, Troll)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392057)

How is this different? If the courts rule that iMessage does actually violate this patent... then wouldn't all of those devices you listed, in fact, violate it?

Apple's "Patent" was actually a design patent, all about the whole look and feel. Apple only sued one company over it. And yet the Apple suit spawned countless discussions about the evils of software patents in general and Apple's use of them to destroy the whole market.

Well here you go. The Motorola patent is the classic "evil" software patent that is totally obvious, would seem to have a ton of prior art, and just generally be a bad patent. And yet the Apple Haters cannot help but herald the use of this stinker as the coming of salvation!

Come on, bad software patents are a huge industry problem, and that problem is not helped when technical users champion the destructive use of a bad one like this by ANY company.

Just for the record I didn't support Apple's lawsuit either, but at least it had a lot more merit than this...

Re:This is the patent you all claimed to hate (1)

Darth Snowshoe (1434515) | about a year and a half ago | (#41392143)

"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley

Can I just say, that may be the best SIG I've ever read on Slashdot?

Re:How is this equal? (0)

lgw (121541) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391975)

Proportional response has been shown over and over not to work as a deterrent. Randomly-escalated crazy response does work as a deterrent: crazy is scary.

But of course, it's only really a victory if all apple devices are seized and shredded in front of their owners. Hey, a guy can hope.

Re:Right back at you Apple. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391803)

What makes you think this is even a retort? What evidence do you have that Google was not going to sue regardless?

Except it eliminates 33% of consumer choice (1)

stevejf (2724307) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391659)

in each market. But sure, it won't impact US consumers.

Re:Except it eliminates 33% of consumer choice (1)

eWarz (610883) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391741)

This is false. Right off hand I can name at least 10 different smartphone manufacturers. Motorola, LG, HTC, Samsung, Nokia, RIM, Apple, Sony, Dell, and Kyocera Eliminating 1 of 10 would be 10%, not 33%

Re:Except it eliminates 33% of consumer choice (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391845)

Please check your Apple RDF generator I don't think it's working properly.

Re:Except it eliminates 33% of consumer choice (1)

stevejf (2724307) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391867)

Sure, except, in the smartphone market, by banning the sale of iPhone you also eliminate the entire iOS mobile platform. Talking mobile platforms, the MAJOR choices are iOS, Android, and BlackBerry(sortof). If you roll in Windows Mobile, that throws the calculation to 25%. If you include symbian, 20%. The various flavors of Android implemented by the makers you listed aren't exactly much of a choice.

Re:Except it eliminates 33% of consumer choice (1, Flamebait)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391809)

Except that the goals Apple has set out for its lawyers would result in effectively zero consumer choice. If you've ever read Peter Hamilton's "Commonwealth Saga" [wikipedia.org] surely you would draw parallels to the Prime...

Soon,... very soon... (3, Insightful)

ocean_soul (1019086) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391669)

the whole patent system is going to come crashing down. The way these companies are going, it will not take much longer before people start realizing the current system is no longer viable. Maybe a decade or so, but not much more.

Re:Soon,... very soon... (3, Insightful)

eWarz (610883) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391773)

Not likely, eventually everyone will have judgements against everyone, and then everyone will cross license. Net effect: Lawyers win, everyone else loses.

Re:Soon,... very soon... (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391833)

The way these companies are going, it will not take much longer before people start realizing the current system is no longer viable.

Google's position -- even before Apple started filing the lawsuits against Android manufacturers that were the opening shot in the Apple-Google patent war -- was that the current patent regime, particularly in regards to software patents, was harmful to innovation and unmaintainable.

OTOH, Google -- as they are trying to run a business that has to operate in the real world -- doesn't have the luxury of pretending it lives in the world as it would prefer it to be, and so, until the people writing laws come around to the view that Google has been advocating, has to do its best to work in the patent regime we have.

Satan pushing a snow thrower ... (1)

stevez67 (2374822) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391685)

... and this bit of legal trolling both have the same chance of success. Of course it does get press which is hard for Motorola to get these days.

Karma... (3, Interesting)

CimmerianX (2478270) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391711)

Karma is a bitch.... isn't it Apple?

How you like a taste of your own medicine?

Re:Karma... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391841)

You should've gone with:
How do you like them apples?

meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391755)

Patents are idiotic. The premise is that the protection provides inventors with time to market and be rewarded for their work on the invention. Why companies with billions in revenue every year need such protection is certainly a valid question.

USPTO fail.....

Pledge to Obama (2, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391765)

Please Mr. Obama, when you are re-elected, please make all software patents invalid because they clearly don't work.

In related news... (1)

phil_aychio (2438214) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391769)

I'm banning everyone else from using their arms...at all. I've been using mine WELL before anyone else.

I call bullshit on Ars Technica (4, Informative)

iONiUM (530420) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391795)

If this was "made public" today, why is there so [androidauthority.com] many [eweek.com] articles [appleinsider.com] from August 20th, when it was submitted? This is total bullshit, posted by Ars, just to try and get publicity with the iPhone 5 release tomorrow.

And for the record, I am not an Apple apologist, and I own a Galaxy S3. But I mean, bullshit is bullshit.

IMAP Is Prior Art (2)

calzones (890942) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391837)

Really, not just IMAP... the whole notion that you might see the same messages everywhere is blazingly obvious once you have the concept of networked computing in the first place.

but at the very least, IMAP should invalidate

Game on.. (2)

Dynamoo (527749) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391861)

This looks like the long-rumoured Google fightback against Apple. Google have come under criticism (rightly so IMO) for allowing its partners to be in the frontline against Apple's patent trolling. I think Google have several other Motorola patents that they can follow up with.

Perhaps Apple will see sense and start to realise that it didn't invent the smartphone. The ideal solution is for everyone to stop suing everyone else and for fair licensing of real patents and an end to patenting the bleeding obvious. But somehow I feel that isn't gonna happen..

Worst case scenario is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391895)

... Apple is forced to distribute a software patch amending behavior of said offending software module.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

but but android is open source so it's all good!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391923)

right?

Oh good... (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391945)

Global software patent mutual annihilation. And here I thought we had a few decades before 2077....

good luck Google. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391953)

Except iMessage does not work the way stated in the patent.

Abstract
A messaging communication system (10) includes a plurality of messaging clients (12). A first messaging client (14) establishes a first communication connection (16) operating using a plurality of client data (25). The first messaging client (14) transfers the plurality of client data (25) to a second messaging client (20). The second messaging client (20) establishes a second communication connection (22) operating using the plurality of client data (25).

iMessage's clients only send and receive data from Apple's servers, never to one another directly. Each client is completely unaware or concerned about there being any other clients.

So much for don't be evil (1, Troll)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391959)

Even if you believed the patent was valid, then banning Macs? Instead of telling them to delete Messages?

I think the Don't Be Evil is long gone, lost in parts from the Google Plus push, the cozying up to carriers where Apple dared to push back.

There is only one thing left to do... (5, Funny)

DarthVain (724186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41391971)

Both sides arm their lawyers with axes, maces, and bows. Meet on the field of battle. HAVE AT THEE! Televised of course with the proceeds going to the "iPhones for Orphans" or "Andriods for Amputees". No armor allowed, only 3 piece suits.

To the winner goes the spoils!

Not Motorola - it's Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41391999)

I love how headlines describe it as Motorola taking this action. Motorola is owned by Google. Google is calling the shots. Sorry, but don't try to pretend that Motorola is operating without Google's approval, especially on legal actions such as this. This is a Google move so let's call it what it is - Google is seeing a ban on Apple products.

Acquisition for destruction. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41392131)

50 bucks a share with a market-cap of 14.41 billion, vs 702.10 a share with a market cap of 658 billion. If I were Motorola I'd shut the fuck up right about now.

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