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Mikko Hypponen's Malware Odyssey

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the long-strange-trip dept.

Security 51

CowboyRobot writes "Security expert Mikko Hypponen talks about his experience at F-Secure, including adventures such as flying to Lahore to interview the creators of 'Brain,' one of the early computer viruses that was spread manually on floppy disks. But while the early virus creators were just trying to have fun and learn, modern malware makers are motivated only by money. 'But there's a misconception that they all necessarily make a lot of money. There's a hierarchy of workers, with some just making a few hundred dollars to $1,000 doing the dirty work of the more experienced online criminals who make the real money.'"

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error correction (4, Interesting)

brennz (715237) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394357)

"Security expert and notorious self-promoter Mikko Hypponen"

"modern malware makers are motivated mainly by money, just as most of the antivirus industry, including F-Secure".

Re:error correction (2)

Ash Vince (602485) | more than 2 years ago | (#41397427)

"Security expert and notorious self-promoter Mikko Hypponen"

"modern malware makers are motivated mainly by money, just as most of the antivirus industry, including F-Secure".

Everyone is motivated by money to a certain extent

The simple reality is that without money you cannot live. You need money to pay for food, housing and everything else you need in this world. You can try and not let money be your primary motivation in all things (for instance I could earn far more if I did a job I did not enjoy as much as being a software developer) but ultimately money always comes into these things as we live in a capitalist society based on money.

My chosen career would probably involve sitting around at home contributing to open source projects all day if I did not need to worry about getting paid. I could just create nice beautiful code that was a pleasure to work on 100% of the time instead of having to sometimes just throw a bunch of crap together as the client needed it yesterday and doing a proper job would take me a week or so.

Re:error correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41397637)

My chosen career would probably involve sitting around at home...

Are you me?

Re:error correction (1)

justforgetme (1814588) | more than 2 years ago | (#41411661)

Re:error correction (1)

Sardaukar86 (850333) | more than 2 years ago | (#41426887)

Thanks dude, that was a really interesting talk! :)

brennz notorious "ne'er-do-well" troll: A question (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41398979)

""Security expert and notorious self-promoter Mikko Hypponen" "modern malware makers are motivated mainly by money, just as most of the antivirus industry, including F-Secure"." - by brennz (715237) on Wednesday September 19, @08:12PM (#41394357)

Who isn't motivated by ANYTHING since he hasn't done shit himself to help out the problem in malware out there online or otherwise... right? Bet I am!

* I don't even KNOW you, but I dislike your attitude immensely, for what it is - trolling!

QUESTION:

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What have YOU ever done that helped others vs. the malware-in-general threat out there, hmmm?

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(Fact is - I'd almost be willing to BET you haven't done a damned thing yourself based on your thoughts you posted that I quoted above...)

APK

P.S.=> Know what I absolutely *HATE*? Trolls & complainers that don't do shit but "talk" (troll) against others that do... & please - DO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOVE!

... apk

Addendum: As to what Mr. Hyponnen said? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41399775)

I was onto THAT, years ago (and before that too): It's PROS out there "hacking/cracking" into you, not just "kids having fun" etc./et al:

"Well, nowadays, they're not just after "wrecking your rig" etc. et al, they're after YOU... mainly your cash, or credit, etc. et al (it's now a "money game" man, the serious kind, really)."

FROM -> http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/secure-windows-2000-xp-server-2003-and-even-vista-make-fun-do-t3511888p5.html [pcreview.co.uk]

* Fact is, I was "at this game" (computer security) LONG BEFORE there really WAS a "formal industry" in it... & did my 1st collegiate academia presentation on it, as far back as 1984

(Some proof's below in my p.s. on a few levels in fact!)

APK

P.S.=> SO, as I said above: Things I personally have done around the arena of computer security on a PC?

The guide I quoted from above is featured ALL OVER THE PLACE online & it actually works (here's some testimonials from a user that applied it TO THE LETTER for himself, friends, family, & even paid customers):

To "immunize" a Windows system, I effectively use the principles in "layered security" possibles!

http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&go=&form=QBRE [bing.com]

I.E./E.G.-> I have done so since 1997-1998 with the most viewed, highly rated guide online for Windows security there really is which came from the fact I also created the 1st guide for securing Windows, highly rated @ NEOWIN (as far back as 1998-2001) here:

http://www.neowin.net/news/apk-a-to-z-internet-speedup--security-text [neowin.net]

& from as far back as 1997 -> http://web.archive.org/web/20020205091023/www.ntcompatible.com/article1.shtml [archive.org] which Neowin above picked up on & rated very highly.

That has evolved more currently, into the MOST viewed & highly rated one there is for years now since 2008 online in the 1st URL link above...

Which has well over 500,000++ views online (actually MORE, but 1 site with 75,000 views of it went offline/out-of-business) & it's been made either:

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1.) An Essential Guide
2.) 5-5 star rated
3.) A "sticky-pinned" thread
4.) Most viewed in the category it's in (usually security)
5.) Got me PAID by winning a contest @ PCPitStop (quite unexpectedly - I was only posting it for the good of all, & yes, "the Lord works in mysterious ways", it even got me PAID -> http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2007/09/04/pc-pitstop-winners/ [pcpitstop.com] (see January 2008))

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Across 15-20 or so sites I posted it on back in 2008... & here is the IMPORTANT part, in some sample testimonials to the "layered security" methodology efficacy:

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SOME QUOTED TESTIMONIALS TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF SAID LAYERED SECURITY GUIDE I AUTHORED:

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=2 [xtremepccentral.com]

"I recently, months ago when you finally got this guide done, had authorization to try this on simple work station for kids. My client, who paid me an ungodly amount of money to do this, has been PROBLEM FREE FOR MONTHS! I haven't even had a follow up call which is unusual." - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

"APK, thanks for such a great guide. This would, and should, be an inspiration to such security measures. Also, the pc that has "tweaks": IS STILL GOING! NO PROBLEMS!" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

AND

http://www.xtremepccentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=672ebdf47af75a0c5b0d9e7278be305f&t=28430&page=3 [xtremepccentral.com]

"Its 2009 - still trouble free! I was told last week by a co worker who does active directory administration, and he said I was doing overkill. I told him yes, but I just eliminated the half life in windows that you usually get. He said good point. So from 2008 till 2009. No speed decreases, its been to a lan party, moved around in a move, and it still NEVER has had the OS reinstalled besides the fact I imaged the drive over in 2008. Great stuff! My client STILL Hasn't called me back in regards to that one machine to get it locked down for the kid. I am glad it worked and I am sure her wallet is appreciated too now that it works. Speaking of which, I need to call her to see if I can get some leads. APK - I will say it again, the guide is FANTASTIC! Its made my PC experience much easier. Sandboxing was great. Getting my host file updated, setting services to system service, rather than system local. (except AVG updater, needed system local)" - THRONKA, user of my guide @ XTremePcCentral

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AND

I've ALSO created this app:

IF you don't want to be tracked, & to get your speed/bandwidth back you paid for (as well as electricity, CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O as well), better "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", reliability (vs. DNS poisoning redirection OR being "downed"), & even anonymity (to an extent vs. DNS request logs) + being able to "blow by" what you may feel are unjust blocks (in DNSBL's) & more...

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APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32-bit & 64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74 [start64.com]

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Custom hosts files gain me the following benefits (A short summary of where custom hosts files can be extremely useful):

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1.) Blocking out malware/malscripted sites

2.) Blocking out Known sites-servers/hosts-domains that are known to serve up malware

3.) Blocking out Bogus DNS servers malware makers use

4.) Blocking out Botnet C&C servers

5.) Blocking out Bogus adbanners that are full of malicious script content

6.) Getting you back speed/bandwidth you paid for by blocking out adbanners + hardcoding in your favorite sites (faster than remote DNS server resolution)

7.) Added reliability (vs. downed or misdirect/poisoned DNS servers).

8.) Added "anonymity" (to an extent, vs. DNS request logs)

9.) The ability to bypass DNSBL's (DNS block lists you may not agree with).

10.) Blocking out TRACKERS

11.) More screen "real estate" (since no more adbanners appear onscreen eating up CPU, Memory, & other forms of I/O too - bonus!)

12.) Truly UNIVERSAL PROTECTION (since any OS, even on smartphones, usually has a BSD drived IP stack).

13.) Faster & MORE EFFICIENT operation vs. browser plugins (which "layer on" ontop of Ring 3/RPL 3/usermode browsers - whereas the hosts file operates @ the Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode of operation (far faster) as a filter for the IP stack itself...)

14.) Custom hosts files work on ANY & ALL webbound apps (browser plugins do not).

15.) Custom hosts files offer a better, faster, more efficient way, & safer way to surf the web & are COMPLETELY controlled by the end-user of them.

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* There you go... & above all else IF you choose to try it for the enumerated list of benefits I extolled above?

Enjoy the program!

* Of course, THIS is NOT going to "go well" with 3 types of people out there online, profiting by advertising & nefarious exploits + more @ YOUR expense as the consumer:

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A.) Malware makers & the like (botnet masters, etc./et al)

B.) ADVERTISERS - the TRULY offended ones, as it is their "lifeblood" in psychological attack galore, tracking, & more, etc.!

C.) Possibly webmasters (who profit by ad banners, but fail to realize that those SAME adbanners suck away the users' bandwidth/speed, electricity, CPU cycles, RAM, & other forms of I/O they PAY FOR, plus, adbanners DO get infested with malicious code, & if anyone wants many "examples thereof" from the past near-decade now? Ask!)

---

... apk

Re:Addendum: As to what Mr. Hyponnen said? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41399901)

Speaking of self-promotion...

No, just PROOF (of truth) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41400011)

"Speaking of self-promotion..." - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 20, @11:25AM (#41399901)

See subject-line above: That's all (which my 2nd post here is merely PROOF of MY PERSONAL PARTICIPATION in this area, computer security - since unlike yourself, I can BACK UP MY STATEMENTS about actually *trying* to help out in the arena of computer security, that's all)...

* So, again: Answer the question I asked in my 1st post:

QUESTION:

---

What have YOU ever done that helped others vs. the malware-in-general threat out there, hmmm?

---

Answer that...

APK

P.S.=> You not answering my question BRENNZ (and yes, I know you're replying as AC now)? Says it all... proving my assumptions about YOU, correct in fact!

Thanks for making ME, correct... as usual, lol, especially about TROLLS!

... apk

Re:No, just PROOF (of truth) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41442703)

You're AC as well.

Oh, this is fun! I'm not Brennz at all! But thanks for aligning me with someone who was smart enough to get you annoyed.

Your posting manner is off-putting enough that we the people of Slashdot find you offensive and would rather "roll our own" than contribute to your ego.

I'd really love to see your list of comment links that you scan every hour, it must be great to have nothing better to do than flame on the Internet!

Wasn't annoyed: It was fun! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41449237)

"Oh, this is fun! I'm not Brennz at all!" - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

Yea, "right" ( "You're AC as well." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

LMAO - "Oh, SURE" brennz: We KNOW you have the option to reply as ac too...

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"But thanks for aligning me with someone who was smart enough to get you annoyed." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

See subject-line above, & of course, the question in my 'p.s.' below as well (& DO *TRY* to answer it, instead of avoiding it, won't you?)

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"Your posting manner is off-putting enough that we the people of Slashdot find you offensive" - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

Funny, but, here are MANY instances of your /. peers showing they feel otherwise (via this partial list of my upward moderated posts vs. your b.s.):

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Roughly 220++ of them & I post as AC (hard to get even +1, as /. hides our posts & we "AC"'s start @ ZERO/0 points, unlike registered "lusers", lol!):

+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (6):

HOSTS & BGP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450 [slashdot.org]
FIREFOX IN DANGER: 2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2559120&cid=38268580 [slashdot.org]
TESLA:2010 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1872982&cid=34264190 [slashdot.org]
TESLA:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1806946&cid=33777976 [slashdot.org]
NVIDIA 2d:2006 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175774&cid=14610147 [slashdot.org]
COMPUTER ASSOCIATES BUSTED FOR ACCOUNTING FRAUD:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34350102 [slashdot.org]

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+4 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (5):

APK SECURITY GUIDE:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=167071&cid=13931198 [slashdot.org]
INFO. SYSTEMS WORK:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161862&cid=13531817 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS @ NASDAQ 7++ YRS. NOW:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1290967&cid=28571315 [slashdot.org]
CARMACK'S ARMADILLO AEROSPACE:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158310&cid=13263898 [slashdot.org]
What I admire about Theo DeRaadt of BSD fame: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3007641&cid=40785151 [slashdot.org]

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+3 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (6):

APK MICROSOFT INTERVIEW:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=155172&cid=13007974 [slashdot.org]
APK MS SYMBOLIC DIRECTORY LINKS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166850&cid=13914137 [slashdot.org]
APK FOOLS IE7 INSTALL IN BETA HOW TO:2006 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175857&cid=14615222 [slashdot.org]
PROOFS ON OPERA SPEED & SECURITY:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=273931&cid=20291847 [slashdot.org]
HBGary POST in Fake Names On Social Networks, a Fake Problem:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2375110&cid=37056304 [slashdot.org]
APK RC STOP ROOKIT TECHNIQUES:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021873&cid=25681261 [slashdot.org]

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+2 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (19):

CODING FOR DEFCON (my compressed/packed exe + sizecheck @ startup technique): 2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=158231&cid=13257227 [slashdot.org]
HOW DLL API CALL LOADS WORK:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1001489&cid=25441395 [slashdot.org]
WERNER VON BRAUN - A Nazi Scientist used by U.S.A. for rocketry: 2011 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1957608&cid=34933062 [slashdot.org]
APK TRICK TO STOP A MALWARE:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1010923&cid=25549351 [slashdot.org]
DOING SHAREWARE 1995-2004:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233779&cid=19020329 [slashdot.org]
MHTML SECURITY BUG FIX IE:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1973914&cid=35056454 [slashdot.org]
EXCEL SECURITY FIX:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139485&cid=26974507 [slashdot.org]
CODING JOBS OFFSHORING:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=245971&cid=19760473 [slashdot.org]
WE SHOULD PENALIZE & TAX JOB OUTSOURCERS/OFFSHORERS: 2008 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=978035&cid=25176841 [slashdot.org]
BOGUS POLITICIAN PERFORMANCE: 2008 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=978035&cid=25176955 [slashdot.org]
MS PUTS YOU TO WORK:2006 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174759&cid=14538593 [slashdot.org]
ARSTECHNICA & JEREMY REIMER LOL:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1021733&cid=25675515 [slashdot.org]
CYBERSECURITY LEGISLATIONS:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2222868&cid=36379698 [slashdot.org]
FILTERING ONLINE:2010 -> http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1790178&cid=33610372 [slashdot.org]
APK ON PLANTED SHILLS BY TELECOM/ISP/BSP:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1827308&cid=33940988 [slashdot.org]
TAX THE TAR OUT OF OUTSOURCERS/OFFSHORERS & PENALIZE THEM ALSO #1 of 2: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2795637&cid=39728333 [slashdot.org]
HBGary & Chinese Water Army b.s. posted: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2615084&cid=38662598 [slashdot.org]
OPERA & MULTITHREADED DESIGN: 2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=290711&cid=20506147 [slashdot.org]
MICROSOFT "FLIPS THE SCRIPT" ON CISPA: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2817555&cid=39833573 [slashdot.org]
LEARN CODING IN A DAY: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3048265&cid=40986085 [slashdot.org]

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+1 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (116) & we AC's start at ZERO, not 1 or 2 like registered users on /. do:

APK SSD/RamDrive/RamDisk usage since 1996:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1014349&cid=25591403 [slashdot.org]
DISASSEMBLY & PROTECTING CODE:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1719570&cid=32907418 [slashdot.org]
APK ON RESERVED PORTS IN WINDOWS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=235621&cid=19229493 [slashdot.org]
MEMORY FRAGMENTATION: 2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=367219&cid=21434061 [slashdot.org]
NORTON DNS & DNSBL:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2311948&cid=36708742 [slashdot.org]
IRON FILESYSTEMS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=359507&cid=21347933 [slashdot.org]
APK ROOTKIT KILLING TECHNIQUE USING RC:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2428486&cid=37405530 [slashdot.org]
APK STOPPED CONFICKER BEFORE ANYONE DID:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1159209&cid=27178753 [slashdot.org]
APK ON WINDOWS DFS vs. LINUX COPYING FEATURES LIKE IT:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=447752&cid=22361236 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS #CPU's SUPPORTED (much higher now in Win7/Srv2k8 now, 256):2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1160287&cid=27191729 [slashdot.org]
DISK DEFRAG STRATEGY OPTIONS:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2435272&cid=37443738 [slashdot.org]
APK PART OF ULTRADEFRAG64 PROOF:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2435272&cid=37443252 [slashdot.org]
DATASTRUCTURES & SQL:2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2080454&cid=35794668 [slashdot.org]
BINARY HEAPS:2010 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1686094&cid=32581292 [slashdot.org]
CACHE COHERENCY:2005 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168793&cid=14070783 [slashdot.org]
DELPHI ROCKS VB/VC++:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236049&cid=19261269 [slashdot.org]
MEMORY FRAGMENTATION IN FF:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=367219&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=21434061 [slashdot.org]
CODING PROFESSIONALLY:2005 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170925&cid=14238424 [slashdot.org]
MULTIPLE MESSAGE QUEUES:2010 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1618508&cid=31847246 [slashdot.org]
APK ROOTKIT.COM ON WINDOWS VISTA IPSTACK SECURITY:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1339085&cid=29106629 [slashdot.org]
USING CSC & SCIENCE TOGETHER IN ACADEMIA:2010 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1531366&cid=30971224 [slashdot.org]
PROGRAMMING CONCEPTS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SYNTAX:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1314993&cid=28827429 [slashdot.org]
SSD DECADES OF USAGE:2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1273501&cid=28375697 [slashdot.org]
CODING .NET FROM VB:2006 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=176229&cid=14641701 [slashdot.org]
LAMP SECURITY:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2243006&cid=36462748 [slashdot.org]
SLASHDOT "Pro-*NIX" SLANT CONTROVERSY = GOOD:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154725&cid=12974078 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. IBM vs. LINUX ARCHITECTURE STEALING:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160244&cid=13414756 [slashdot.org]
ADBANNERS & VIRUSES:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169309&cid=14112880 [slashdot.org]
SECURITY BUGS LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2011 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2247480&cid=36485068 [slashdot.org]
NYSE+LINUX STOCK EXCHANGE LIE BY PENGUINS:2010 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1842764&cid=34046376 [slashdot.org]
APK ON PROCESSEXPLORER & NETSTAT:2009 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1328371&cid=28981169 [slashdot.org]
COMPLETION PORTS + SCHEDULING LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160290&cid=13419053 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. LINUX SECURITY ISSUES:2009 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1135717&cid=26948399 [slashdot.org]
LINUX IMITATING WINDOWS:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170126&cid=14177851 [slashdot.org]
LINUX SERVING DUQU ROOTKIT: 2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2551740&cid=38215752 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. Linux SECURITY VULNS UNPATCHED:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2077414&cid=35776848 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS vs. Linux vs. Mac SECURITY VULNS UNPATCHED:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1681772&cid=32524188 [slashdot.org]
APK Windows vs. Linux on UNPATCHED SEC. VULNS:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35656126 [slashdot.org]
PROOF MS HAD LESS BUGS THAN LINUX/MACOS X:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173564&cid=14442403 [slashdot.org]
PROOF MS HAD LESS BUGS THAN LINUX/MACOS X:2006 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173016&cid=14398069 [slashdot.org]
LINUX & JAVASCRIPT ETC.:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1266651&cid=28307523 [slashdot.org]
APK USING KDE & LINUX:2010 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1750240&cid=33214838 [slashdot.org]
APK CONGRATS TO LINUX:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170296&cid=14192885 [slashdot.org]
APK KUDOS TO LINUX:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=162921&cid=13614370 [slashdot.org]
LINUX WENT DOWN 2x in LESS THAN 1 YEAR @ London Stock Exchange:2011 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1999478&cid=35231358 [slashdot.org]
LINUX SECURITY vs. JAVASCRIPT:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1820234&cid=33892258 [slashdot.org]
CONGRATS TO LINUS TORVALDS ON MILLENIUM PRIZE: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2913441&cid=40308721 [slashdot.org]
KUDOS TO LINUX KERNEL 3.3 - 3.5 & NO BUGS PRESENT: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2995701&cid=40727067 [slashdot.org]
GENETICS PLAYING WITH GOD'S ENGINEERING on mice: 2011 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2581286&cid=38423712 [slashdot.org]
1 GOOD THING ABOUT HACKER/CRACKERS:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1982796&cid=35119212 [slashdot.org]
MINIMUM WINDOWS SERVICES:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=157321&cid=13190570 [slashdot.org]
HIDDEN SECURITY BUGS:2005 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=164039&cid=13698742 [slashdot.org]
APK & FIREFOX BUGFIX TEAM:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=161697&cid=13526010 [slashdot.org]
WHY OPERA ROCKS:2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170983&cid=14242283 [slashdot.org]
OPERA BEST SPEED & SECURITY: 2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34333966 [slashdot.org]
OPERA "SUPERIOR WARRIOR":2009 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1309763&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=28768721 [slashdot.org]
OPERA=FASTER & MORE SECURE:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=157615&cid=13208800 [slashdot.org]
OPERA "The Superior Warrior" vs. FIREFOX:2007 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=286721&cid=20452183 [slashdot.org]
OPERA:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233227&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=18969947 [slashdot.org]
OPERA BY SITE PREFS:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34333758 [slashdot.org]
OPERA 64-BIT "FOR INDEPENDENT SMART PEOPLE" ROUND 1 FOR WINDOWS & MAC RELEASED:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2576256&cid=38388178 [slashdot.org]
OPERA HAS AN ADBLOCK ADDON: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2579684&cid=38412366 [slashdot.org]
APK SANDBOXING IE:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236547&cid=19310513 [slashdot.org]
APK ON SANDBOXIE:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1875754&cid=34281930 [slashdot.org]
CHROME NEEDS BY SITE PREFS TO SANITYINANARCHY:2011 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2358734&cid=36946676 [slashdot.org]
DO YOUR BEST WORK OUR YOUNG MENS LIVES RIDE ON IT:2010 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1898806&cid=34472826 [slashdot.org]
STAT I/II SKEWING:2010 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1504756&cid=30711074 [slashdot.org]
SEARCH ENGINES:2005 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=162717&cid=13598832 [slashdot.org]
PORTING CODE:2007 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=236367&cid=19291677 [slashdot.org]
DARTH CHENEY POLITICALS:2007 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=237091&cid=19362755 [slashdot.org]
WINDOWS EMPLOYS YOU BETTER:2006 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174277&cid=14498965 [slashdot.org]
MS PUTS YOU TO WORK:2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169549&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&tid=109&mode=thread&cid=14132540 [slashdot.org]
"666":2008 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=548476&cid=23353722 [slashdot.org]
APK ON HARDCODES & SHELLOPEN ASSOCIATION:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1519842&cid=30854906 [slashdot.org]
DR. DEMENTO SHOW:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1678308&cid=32494990 [slashdot.org]
CA DISREPUTABLE #2 of 2:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1884922&cid=34351020 [slashdot.org]
NO PROOF USED BY LOB:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907190&cid=34529734 [slashdot.org]
ON KIDS CODING & ARMCHAIR QB's:2011 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2040490&cid=35508400 [slashdot.org]
FPGA & TERMINATORS:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2341586&cid=36842168 [slashdot.org]
APK ON CHESS:2010 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1877160&cid=34293988 [slashdot.org]
RON PAUL & WIKILEAKS:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907000&cid=34528958 [slashdot.org] /. "CATERING TO CRONIES":2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1664046&cid=32336794 [slashdot.org]
BEING MORE "ALL AROUND" THAN 1 DIMENSIONAL IN IT/IS/MIS:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=166174&cid=13863159 [slashdot.org]
GET RID OF S. BALLMER @ MS:2008 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=543962&cid=23310698 [slashdot.org]
COMBO OF CODER/NETWORKER = MOST DANGEROUS HACKER/CRACKER: 2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2590324&cid=38490476 [slashdot.org]
FACEBOOK ENHANCES mySQL: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2643681&cid=38857629 [slashdot.org]
APPSTORE/WALLED-GARDEN DL OF APPS WON'T HELP vs. TODAY'S INFECTION VECTORS: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2655681&cid=38943319 [slashdot.org]
REGISTRY ACCESS WINDOWS 32-BIT vs. 64-BIT in code: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2680271&cid=39093835 [slashdot.org]
2nd REGISTRY ACCESS WINDOWS 32-BIT vs. 64-BIT in code: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2680271&cid=39093873 [slashdot.org]
CHINESE "CYBER-WAR" THREAT: 2012 -> http://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2718289&cid=39312311 [slashdot.org]
ON DR. MARK RUSSINOVICH MS DESKTOPS APP & MORE: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2741569&cid=39445275 [slashdot.org]
DEFENDING STEVE GIBSON OF SPINRITE + "SHIELDS UP" vs. DEFAMATION: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2747957&cid=39479257 [slashdot.org]
OS/2 & What I thought was cool about it & when I used it: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2761033&cid=39550525 [slashdot.org]
ActiveX Usage in Korea still "huge": 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2767885&cid=39584683 [slashdot.org]
On "insta-downmods" & /. "fine moderation" (b.s.!): 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2772023&cid=39606941 [slashdot.org]
TAX THE TAR OUT OF OUTSOURCERS/OFFSHORERS & PENALIZE THEM ALSO #2 of 2 + ECONOMIC CLASS 1984-1985: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2795637&cid=39729177 [slashdot.org]
GATTACA #1 of 2: 2012 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2792033&cid=39722291 [slashdot.org]
GATTACA #2 of 2: 2012 -> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2792033&cid=39711991 [slashdot.org]
ROMAN MARONI (lol) = arth1 "murder of the English Language": 2012 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2773803&cid=39617941 [slashdot.org]
FLASHY FLASH DRIVES: 2005 -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154997&cid=12998477 [slashdot.org]
ROOTKIT CREATORS "GO PRO": 2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=165958&cid=13843462 [slashdot.org]
MS LESS SECURITY ISSUES THAN *NIX in 2005: 2006 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=173564&cid=14441639 [slashdot.org]
OPERA ROCKS & WHY: 2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=233227&cid=18969947 [slashdot.org]
McAfee, Symantec, ClamAV, COMODO, ArcaBit/ArcaVir, & Dr. Web "False Positive" of my "APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++": 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2872677&cid=40107921 [slashdot.org]
Linux "Fine Security" (lol, NOT!) 2011-2012: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2875333&cid=40119001 [slashdot.org]
SAY NO TO MS & SAY NO TO A JOB: 2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169549&cid=14132540 [slashdot.org]
"START ME UP" REGARDING WINDOWS 8, METRO, & RIBBONS: 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2955431&cid=40538813 [slashdot.org]
GHOSTERY TRUTHS #1: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2931443&cid=40413453 [slashdot.org]
GHOSTERY TRUTHS #2: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2931443&cid=40413493 [slashdot.org]
"DEAR MR. GATES": 2012 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2955431&cid=40536263 [slashdot.org]
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation tax shield: 2012 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2957987&cid=40549931 [slashdot.org]
Colorblindness and camouflage: 2012 -> http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3010409&cid=40798555 [slashdot.org]
HBGary and "Freedom of Speech" plus REAL NAMES on forums: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3012595&cid=40811497 [slashdot.org]
Large Projects (millions of lines) vs. TINY ones (200k lines) & rewrite: 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3026933&cid=40885035 [slashdot.org]
Native Code/"single stand-alone" non-interpreted code executables are "where it's at": 2012 -> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40956381 [slashdot.org]
Windows in the "Fortune 100/500" high TPM environs & 99.999% "Fabled '5-9's'" uptime: 2012 -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3110069&cid=41305947 [slashdot.org]
Brennz bitching about Mikko Hyponnen Security Expert: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3129943&cid=41398979 [slashdot.org]
AntiVirus FALSE POSITIVES (even on themselves) 3-10 examples: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3132237&cid=41402041 [slashdot.org]

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* THE HOSTS FILE GROUP 37++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

BANNER ADS & BANDWIDTH:2011 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2139088&cid=36077722 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1907266&cid=34529608 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1490078&cid=30555632 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1869638&cid=34237268 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1461288&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30272074 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255487&cid=28197285 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1206409&cid=27661983 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1725068&cid=32960808 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1743902&cid=33147274 [slashdot.org]
APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1913212&cid=34576182 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1862260&cid=34186256 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2010 (w/ facebook known bad sites blocked) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1924892&cid=34670128 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS FILE MOD UP FOR ANDROID MALWARE:2010 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1930156&cid=34713952 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP ZEUSTRACKER:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2059420&cid=35654066 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs AT&T BANDWIDTH CAP:2011 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2116504&cid=35985584 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP CAN DO SAME AS THE "CloudFlare" Server-Side service:2011 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2220314&cid=36372850 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS and BGP +5 RATED (BEING HONEST):2010 http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1901826&cid=34490450 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS & PROTECT IP ACT:2011 http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2368832&cid=37021700 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2457766&cid=37592458 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP & OPERA HAUTE SECURE:2011 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2457274&cid=37589596 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1197039&cid=27556999 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 IN HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1143349&cid=27012231 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198841&cid=27580299 [slashdot.org]
0.0.0.0 in HOSTS:2009 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1139705&cid=26977225 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1319261&cid=28872833 [slashdot.org] (still says INSIGHTFUL)
HOSTS MOD UP vs. botnet: 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2603836&cid=38586216 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs. SOPA act: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2611414&cid=38639460 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP vs. FaceBook b.s.: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2614186&cid=38658078 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP "how to secure smartphones": 2012 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2644205&cid=38860239 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP "Free Apps Eat your Battery via ad displays": 2012 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2734503&cid=39408607 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS MOD UP "How I only hardcode in 50 of my fav. sites": 2012 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2857487&cid=40034765 [slashdot.org]
APPLYING HOSTS TO DIFF. PLATFORM W/ TCP-IP STACK BASED ON BSD: 2008 -> http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1944892&cid=34831038 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS vs. TRACKING ONLINE BY ADVERTISERS & BETTER THAN GHOSTERY: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2926641&cid=40383743 [slashdot.org]
HOSTS FOR ANDROID SMARTPHONES: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2940173&cid=40455449 [slashdot.org]
APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++: 2012 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3137925&cid=41429093 [slashdot.org]

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* THE APK SECURITY GUIDE GROUP 18++ THUSFAR (from +5 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1361585&cid=29360367 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1218837&cid=27787281 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&cid=25093275 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1885890&cid=34358316 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=154868&cid=12988150 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&no_d2=1&cid=25092677 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1027095&cid=25747655 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY TEST CHALLENGE LINUX vs. WINDOWS:2007 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=267599&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20203061 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2010 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1638428&cid=32070500 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168931&cid=14083927 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2009 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1135717&cid=26941781 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE:2008 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416702&cid=22026982 [slashdot.org]
APK SYSTEM TUNING:2010 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497268&cid=30649722 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE: 2008 -> http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=970939&no_d2=1&cid=25092677 [slashdot.org]
APK SYSTEM TUNING:2010 -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1497268&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=30649722 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURE SETUP FOR IP STACK:2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14211084 [slashdot.org]
APK SECURITY GUIDE (old one):2005 -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=170545&cid=14210206 [slashdot.org]
MICROSOFT SECURITY:2010 -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546446&cid=31106612 [slashdot.org]

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"and would rather "roll our own" than contribute to your ego." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

Well, whatever it is you're "rolling", you'd best stop SMOKING IT (lol), because it doesn't stand up too well to concrete, visible, & VERIFIABLE information shown above that contradicts & disproves you, easily... lol!

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"I'd really love to see your list of comment links that you scan every hour, it must be great to have nothing better to do than flame on the Internet!" - by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

Spoken in TRUE "pot calling the kettle black" off-topic trolling fashion, lol, while trolling as "anonymous coward" too... irony abounds, eh? NOT!

APK

P.S.=> I see you avoided the question I asked of yourself & brennz as well - so, here it is again, answer it:

QUESTION:

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What have YOU ever done that helped others vs. the malware-in-general threat out there, hmmm?

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Answer that...

... apk

Re:Wasn't annoyed: It was fun! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41469927)

Wasting your time is more fun than answering your questions. There is no reason to answer. -- I gain nothing from shutting you down, which you do for me anyway. Please continue to misidentify me, it's fun! Who else could I be?

Tacos and grits!

Re:Wasn't annoyed: It was fun! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476419)

You avoid his question since it makes you out to be nothing more than a big talker but with no contributions to the general good in terms of computer security.

He also posted 100's of examples that shut you down here:

http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3129943&cid=41449237 [slashdot.org]

Since you said this:

"Your posting manner is off-putting enough that we the people of Slashdot find you offensive" by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24, @05:01PM (#41442703)

He shut you down with hundreds of examples to the contrary in those posts of his that were up modded.

Now, quit acting like a stalking psycho to top off your other fails shown above.

Re:Wasn't annoyed: It was fun! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41481031)

You waste time trolling. You shut you down by running from a question.

Only the goth chicks can save us. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41394371)

The 1337 h4x0rz in big black "fuck me" boots and bizarro makeup jobs.

Or has Hollywood been lying to me again?

Re:Only the goth chicks can save us. (2)

Tastecicles (1153671) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394417)

Pauley Perette can save me any time she wants.

Re:Only the goth chicks can save us. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41395543)

Pauley Perette can save me any time she wants.

When she's in makeup sure, but she's kinda old-lady-ish out of makeup nowadays....

Re:Only the goth chicks can save us. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41395015)

Yep, the entertainment industry, including the print media, do seem to be in love with that bogus image.

The image:competence ratio is pretty well understood for these kinds of things.

I never had any qualms about approaching the "conventional" and "normal" female IT staff for info or advice because I knew they were usually good for it.

But I didn't waste time on the Goths in black, with the tats, and the piercings, and the 'tude, because at least 90% of the time they didn't have a clue, although they'd try to hide it by quoting some just-memorized WP article about Nessus or Snort, even when it was totally irrelevent to the topic.

Still... The latter always had the coolest (legally changed) names, so I guess they were just way too 1337 for the likes of me, and when I thought they were utterly wrong they were actually right, but I was too much of a n00b to realize it.

Stuxnet certainly wasn't about money (4, Insightful)

crazyjj (2598719) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394401)

Some malware these days is militarily and politically motivated too.

don't be so sure (2)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394503)

Spending $BIGBUCKS on Stuxnet may be cheaper than spending $BIGGERBUCKS getting rid of Iranian nuclear ambitions the old fashioned way and certainly cheaper than $EVENBIGGERBUCKS of cleaning up after they drop The Bomb on $ALLY.

Re:don't be so sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41396971)

Yes, but what if Iran decides to get rid of US nuclear ambitions in the same cheap way?

Re:don't be so sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41404833)

Good. Now we can have a war in which nobody has to die.

Nonsense.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41395733)

Some malware these days is militarily and politically motivated too.

Surely you understand that the primary military and political motivator is money... everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Re:Nonsense.... (1)

rmstar (114746) | more than 2 years ago | (#41397015)

Surely you understand that the primary military and political motivator is money... everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Oh I am sure many people love to believe that. It makes the world a simple and easy place. Power, ego, and ideology play an important role that should not be underestimated.

Re:Nonsense.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41400245)

Money can get you ego and power. Then the fact you have money and power proves your ideology was right and feeds your ego.

Surely they aren't ALL in it just for money (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394491)

Surely there's one or two still left doing it for education, to prove a point, or just for the LULZ.

Officer Friendly Says: (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394567)

"Remember kids, blue collar crime does not pay; and, honestly, most of the lower rungs of white collar crime are only classified that way so that they can keep you on salary rather than pay overtime and don't pay all that well either."

Crime really doesn't pay that well (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394947)

You discover when you look at it that it doesn't escape normal economic rules, in that the lower tier people doing menial work don't make tons of money, they make low wages. Even at the higher end it really doesn't pay that well, comparatively. You look at the drug lords and say "Wow those guys have a lot of money," but realize it is very few of them. then compare them to their legit rivals, the top tier businessmen like Gates, Buffet, Bezos, and so on, and they really don't compare all that well.

Crime ultimately ends up being just another kind of business.

Re:Crime really doesn't pay that well (1)

ax_42 (470562) | more than 2 years ago | (#41396563)

When analysing the economics of the mafia, there has not yet been consensus reached on whether to analyse them as a business (producer-customer model) or as a government (entity wielding force, with tax-raising privileges).

Re:Officer Friendly Says: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41395487)

"Remember kids, blue collar crime does not pay; and, honestly, most of the lower rungs of white collar crime are only classified that way so that they can keep you on salary rather than pay overtime and don't pay all that well either."

Two thugs walk into a restaurant. One says, "We're crime, and crime doesn't pay."

Well... that sucks for them. (2)

nighthawk243 (2557486) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394659)

Hacking requires at least 5 monitors to do correctly... That cannot be cheap.

Re:Well... that sucks for them. (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395435)

just remember if you can't guess their password just type "backdoor" and you can gain access to any and all systems at least that is what Hollywood taught me.

Re:Well... that sucks for them. (1)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395669)

i thought that only worked if you were getting a blowjob at the same time?

It's all free money. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41394747)

zero money spent. non zero money comming in.

All profit.

Just like spam.. Oh sure only 1-3% of people fall for spam.. But when you send out a billion emails for free. 2% is alot of cash even at pennies each.

I'm still sure if we stopped giving them jobs after minor punishment....
And instead started setting malware authors on fire. And spammers. On pay per view.

It would stop eventually. Or at least be real entertaining. And profitable.

Re:It's all free money. (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395551)

Spammers profit even if NO ONE falls for spam. They only have to convince their "clients" that someone does.

Re:It's all free money. (1)

ultrasawblade (2105922) | more than 2 years ago | (#41397159)

Your post advocates a

( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (X) vigilante

approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
(X) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
(X) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) Open relays in foreign countries
( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
( ) Asshats
(X) Jurisdictional problems
( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) Extreme profitability of spam
( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) Technically illiterate politicians
( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) Outlook

and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

(X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) Blacklists suck
( ) Whitelists suck
( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) Sending email should be free
( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) I don't want the government reading my email
(X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

In other words just like any other industry (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394837)

It always runs on drones who are getting screwed over, even when the business is screwing over other drones.

Re:In other words just like any other industry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41395501)

It always runs on drones who are getting screwed over, even when the business is screwing over other drones.

Their hobby is screwing people. If they could not get paid for it, then they would do it for free.

At first look (1)

Shavano (2541114) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394873)

It looks like a description of the way every communication network functions and has since the '70s.

Malware would cease to be profitable (1)

kiriath (2670145) | more than 2 years ago | (#41394975)

If stupid people would quit clicking on stupid things.

Re:Malware would cease to be profitable (3, Insightful)

Macgrrl (762836) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395319)

We both know this is about as likely to happen as a dog ceasing to lick their balls. They do it because they can and it seems like a good idea at the time.

Re:Malware would cease to be profitable (1)

kiriath (2670145) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395995)

Tis sadly yet verily true.

Re:Malware would cease to be profitable (1)

MrSenile (759314) | more than 2 years ago | (#41399625)

So you're saying we should castrate Mafia lords and it'd solve our problem?

The problem is that the Mafia lords lick their balls right? Sorry, having trouble following the metaphor.

error correction 2 (1)

subreality (157447) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395527)

"viruses that was spread manually" ... There have been a few manual viruses, notably Good Times, and The Honor System Virus, but I'm pretty sure Brain was automatic.

It's sad that we've gotten to the point where anything short of an outright worm is considered "manual".

Fuck yeah, security theater! (1, Funny)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#41395541)

Hypponen's security must-haves: A nifty tool, which is not ours but which I'd like to recommend, is Flag for Chrome or the Firefox equivalent, Flagfox. It's a handy extension, which shows a flag in the URL bar of the browser, indicating the country where the website is hosted. This comes handy in more cases than you'd think.

lol

Re:Fuck yeah, security theater! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41397533)

It's kind of silly, but it could tip off the less knowledgeable that something is wrong when they click a phishing link and see that their bank is suddenly hosted in Russia.

Re:Fuck yeah, security theater! (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 2 years ago | (#41401075)

And what if the link is in US, is it any safer?
And what is they are ordering a Thinkpad, and they "discover" that they are talking to a Chinese server?

It's pointless. There is no added security assurance in lack of scary foreign people operating the server.

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Lahore is in Pakistan (2)

Jawwad (2519680) | more than 2 years ago | (#41396381)

Since nobody seems to notice, just wanted to mention that Lahore is in Pakistan. The two brothers allegedly did it to protect their program from being pirated. Whats noteworthy is that they even left their names and contact address, so the victim can contact them to clean up if he/she wants. The message that would appear said: "Welcome to the Dungeon © 1986 Basit * Amjad (pvt) Ltd. BRAIN COMPUTER SERVICES 730 NIZAM BLOCK ALLAMA IQBAL TOWN LAHORE-PAKISTAN PHONE: 430791,443248,280530. Beware of this VIRUS.... Contact us for vaccination..." The two brothers, are still running their own business "Brain Telecommunication Limited" in Pakistan.

Fairy tale (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41397165)

> adventures such as flying to Lahore to interview the creators of Brain, first computer virus ever

May have been a cover story. Lahore, Pakistan is a place quite near another nation, a rogue country, whose nuclear weapons effort was so much damaged by super advanced mil-malware. If one wants to look at that code on-site, it is easy to cross from Lahore into the rogue on smugglers' donkeys, without any border passport records. On the other hand it is silly to assume such passes are not monitored by UAVs and NRO satellites. Pakistani skies are brim full of CIA drones.

Umlauts (1)

rapu (1656863) | more than 2 years ago | (#41405663)

Sorry to be offtopic, but: I know that TFA is to blame here, but it's Hyppönen, not Hypponen. I wonder if even the Olympics got it right this year. It's not even about charsets anymore, so I guess nobody just ever puts in characters that aren't on their keyboards. Kind of unprofessional journalism, I'd say.
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