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Notification UI Overhauled in KDE 4.10 (And a Plan For Modernized Notifications)

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the it's-the-little-things dept.

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Via Planet KDE, some good news for people who hate the KDE 4 notifications applet (coming in KDE 4.10): "So, it seems it's that time of the year again... the plasmoid used in KDE Plasma Desktop to display notifications and the progress of transfer jobs started to really show its age, due to some bad limitations in the old QGraphicsview code to handle complex layouts, so it appeared quite buggy and not so smooth to use. ... The fact that there is some research/development being made to build a new backend for notifications that will support many new features, more 'modern' to be actually useful with the applications that are so heavily 'communication' oriented (both desktop clients and web stuff), that became essential part of out workflow. ... The story begins more than a year ago: we needed a way to display notifications on Plasma Active, and obviously the desktop applet used back then wasn't enough. ... Since we would have to rewrite it in QML anyways, we started it." The article has two videos: one of the new UI in Plasma Active on a tablet, and another of it on the desktop. They share basically the same code base, differing only by a couple hundred lines of QML. In addition to this, another KDE developer has been musing on a replacement for the freedesktop.org notification protocol designed to fix the deficiencies that have made themselves apparent over the last few years (parts one and two).

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67 comments

Plasma Active 3 (5, Funny)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#41406577)

A place where beautiful window frames and bizarrely spartan, giant, anaemic "X"es coexist in harmony.

Re:Plasma Active 3 (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41406745)

I was about to say the very same thing, though It would not have been so eloquent.

Re:Plasma Active 3 (2)

Swarley (1795754) | about 2 years ago | (#41406767)

Especially when the swipe to remove functionality pretty much removes the need for the fugly X buttons in the first place.

Re:Plasma Active 3 (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41408495)

The swipe isn't familiar action for users, the X in other hand is familiar. The difference is that after learning swipe and as for touch screens, it is easier than pressing X. So disabling that X should be in options. But pressing multiple times X in same location, is simpler motion than swiping multiple times.

Re:Plasma Active 3 (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 2 years ago | (#41408583)

mod parent +1 Stuff Unity

Re:Plasma Active 3 (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 2 years ago | (#41408699)

Actually I'm so unfamiliar with it that have no idea what "swiping" means. I only know tapping (clicking), the drag-n-drop-but-the-whole-page-moves thing, and the pinch zoom.

Re:Plasma Active 3 (1)

udippel (562132) | about 2 years ago | (#41411291)

nevermind ...

Re:Plasma Active 3 (1)

hvm2hvm (1208954) | about 2 years ago | (#41408447)

It might be beautiful but it's huge and still seems clunky and wasteful.

Re:Plasma Active 3 (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 2 years ago | (#41409805)

Well, yeah. It's a touch interface. What did you expect?

Finally (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41406627)

Looks like that group of whiners will finally move off of Gnome 3 and Unity, and start talking about how EVERYONE hates the new KDE.

Re:Finally (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41408043)

Wait! I'm not done hating the old KDE.

Re:Finally (0)

jd (1658) | about 2 years ago | (#41408261)

Enlightenment is a gateway window manager. Exposure to E can lead to harder code.
Will SOMEBODY think of the users?

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41418075)

Enlightenment is a gateway window manager. Exposure to E can lead to harder code. Will SOMEBODY think of the users?

Maybe old people would politely chuckle at this but ... you're not funny.

KDE 4.x main issue is this one (0)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#41409017)

Actually, this was the biggest issue that people had w/ KDE 4.x, - Akonadi - mentioned below. Once they fix that, one of the biggest issues about KDE 4.x spped will be resolved.

So they're naming it KDE 4.10? In that case, they should have called its predecessors KDE 4.01, 4.02....4.08 for the current version. I thnk they should have instead called it KDE 4.91, and kept incrementing it, and hopefully terminating it in favor of KDE 5.0.

Incidentally, what's the current status w/ Qt 5.0?

Re:KDE 4.x main issue is this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41411653)

Once they fix [Akonadi], one of the biggest issues about KDE 4.x spped will be resolved.

I'm not holding my breath. The clueless devs haven't managed to make Akonadi/Nepomuk/Strigi/Activities optional since they appeared in KDE 4, so it'll never happen. Apparently Dirk Hohndel ripping them a new one at Desktop Summit had no effect.

they should have called its predecessors KDE 4.01, 4.02....4.08 for the current version.

Version numbers are not floating point numbers, they follow different rules.

what's the current status w/ Qt 5.0?

Was stalled for a month during the buyout/hand-over from Nokia, now back on schedule with delay. Beta builds are available to users of discerning distros: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt50/ [opensuse.org]

Re:KDE 4.x main issue is this one (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | about 2 years ago | (#41413611)

Once they fix [Akonadi], one of the biggest issues about KDE 4.x spped will be resolved.

I'm not holding my breath. The clueless devs haven't managed to make Akonadi/Nepomuk/Strigi/Activities optional since they appeared in KDE 4, so it'll never happen. Apparently Dirk Hohndel ripping them a new one at Desktop Summit had no effect.

You can turn Strigi/Nepomuk off in the KDE Configuration very easily. I have done so on one laptop that doesn't to too well with them turned on. I keep it on on others that do. I haven't had problems with Akonadi on any of the system.

what's the current status w/ Qt 5.0?

Was stalled for a month during the buyout/hand-over from Nokia, now back on schedule with delay. Beta builds are available to users of discerning distros: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt50/ [opensuse.org]

They're prepping for Beta2.

Re:KDE 4.x main issue is this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41414009)

"So they're naming it KDE 4.10? In that case, they should have called its predecessors KDE 4.01, 4.02....4.08"

That's not how versioning works. It's not a decimal number. It's two separate numbers that have separate meanings separated by a dot.

That's why you get things like Pidgin having a version of "2.10.6". It's a comma delimited list where the first number is the major version (changing this means that the program is essentially rewritten from scratch and entirely incompatible with its predecessor), the second number is the minor version (substantial changes), and the third number is the point release (itty bitty changes, perhaps on the order of simple bug fixes).

Re:Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41425797)

I'm really not comfortable complaining about the non-GNOME ones though.

Hard to adapt...

Well (2)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 2 years ago | (#41406659)

It's a step forward from the mysterious program in the taskbar unable to display a message due to not being run through a console and a bouncing mouse cursor going for 15 seconds.

Bouncing Cursors (2)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | about 2 years ago | (#41406675)

I always have to disable them. Too often, they continue bouncing for all 15 seconds even though my app is already loaded, or perhaps isn't going to open a window at all.

QML is pretty disgustingly easy... (5, Informative)

CajunArson (465943) | about 2 years ago | (#41406683)

I've done quite a bit of code but I fully admit to being a lightweight at GUI development. Having said that, QML makes the design of the interface pretty easy... even including wacky animations & stuff. Here's a link to some Python based QML tutorials: http://www.pyside.org/docs/pyside/tutorials/index.html [pyside.org]

Er... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41406699)

I'm serious, how do they keep screwing this up? That looks hideous. Look at WebOS for a simple notification system. A small unobtrusive message appears at the time of notification. A small icon remains when it is unanswered. You can drop it down and swipe it away.

Re:Er... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41406889)

I'm serious, how do they keep screwing this up? That looks hideous. Look at WebOS for a simple notification system. A small unobtrusive message appears at the time of notification. A small icon remains when it is unanswered. You can drop it down and swipe it away.

Because as with GNOME, designers are calling the shots. :(
Android ICS has a fantastic notification system, if you have to be inspired by something be inspired by the best.

Re:Er... (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#41408921)

You do know the guy who designed the Android notifications was hired from the WebOS team right? Matias Duarte I think his name was.

Re:Er... (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 2 years ago | (#41409129)

Not really, Matius was not working for Google until maybe halfway through Gingerbread's development. That was the very earliest he would have contributed anything and Android's notifications have been pretty much the same as they are since the first release.

Re:Er... (1)

samoanbiscuit (1273176) | about 2 years ago | (#41409229)

I've only been using Android since Gingerbread, and I thought the "swipeaway" notifications were new in that version... Oh well...

Re:Er... (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 2 years ago | (#41413117)

Yeah, the swipe away is one thing he may have added, but that isn't a particularly major change.

LDAP support? (-1, Offtopic)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 2 years ago | (#41406877)

Is there any chance that KDE could get OpenLDAP auto-configuration some time this century?

Re:LDAP support? (2)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | about 2 years ago | (#41406909)

Perhaps you'll have better luck if you state your feature request over here [kde.org] .

Re:LDAP support? (4, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 2 years ago | (#41406961)

I was being factious. OpenLDAP support has been a requested feature of KDE since KDE 3.5 was around. It has been repeatedly rejected, even back in 2006 when Buchan Mline was a Mandriva employee and made a KDE to OpenLDAP Schema for Mandriva Corporate Server.

Re:LDAP support? (-1, Troll)

CockMonster (886033) | about 2 years ago | (#41409167)

Why not get coding instead of whining that someone else won't do something you want for free?

Re:LDAP support? (1)

ChrisMP1 (1130781) | about 2 years ago | (#41411721)

Oh get stuffed. Nobody is whining for free work. It's perfectly valid to point out that (even free) software lacks a feature you want. If somebody's offering free ice cream, hell yes I'm going to point out that it's only pistachio flavor. It's just an observation, not a whine.

Re:LDAP support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41406925)

Is there any chance that KDE could get OpenLDAP auto-configuration some time this century?

Not a chance in hell.

Freedesktop standard? (2)

Compaqt (1758360) | about 2 years ago | (#41406951)

What happened to the idea that Freedesktop will come up with the standards, Gnome and KDE will implement that, and app developers will code to a single standard (and library)?

As it is, I'm guessing that if you have a KDE program running on stock Ubuntu, it's not going to show notifications in the Ubuntu way (upper left corner)?

Re:Freedesktop standard? (5, Insightful)

Unknown Lamer (78415) | about 2 years ago | (#41407245)

This is an implementation of the freedesktop notification protocol. The second part (overhauling notifications) presumably would become an fd.o standard after all of the kinks were worked out and the KDE/GNOME folks finished battling to the death over the details ;)

Re:Freedesktop standard? (2)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#41409043)

Thank god that never happened. GNOME has taken a direction that the FreeDesktop project would be insane to adapt. Actually, the rationale for FreeDesktop was there when GNOME actually was about creating what its name meant - a network object modelled environment, around Bonobo and other Object oriented standards, and combining it w/ the best features of KDE and Qt. But since GNOME dropped those goals and was all about being dumbed down, it is pointless for the Freedesktop to continue to develop as a standard.

Particularly given that today, we have a plethora/bonanza of DEs & Window Managers - KDE, Razor-qt, GNOME, LXDE, XCFE, Unity, Cinnamon, Etoille, Awesome, Enlightenment, Window-Maker, ScrotWM, RatPoison and what have you. Why do we need FreeDesktop?

Re:Freedesktop standard? (2)

TemporalBeing (803363) | about 2 years ago | (#41413687)

Particularly given that today, we have a plethora/bonanza of DEs & Window Managers - KDE, Razor-qt, GNOME, LXDE, XCFE, Unity, Cinnamon, Etoille, Awesome, Enlightenment, Window-Maker, ScrotWM, RatPoison and what have you. Why do we need FreeDesktop?

While I agree GNOME has departed, fd.o was the organizer to help ensure all those DEs and their applications could easily communicate together in a uniform manner. KDE is a very strong supporter of fd.o from what I can see, so I expect if they change something they will work with fd.o to get it adopted by fd.o.

Regardless, GNOME has apparently left the building for fd.o. So don't expect them to implement it.

KDE ?? SOME ANDROID THING ?? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41407271)

What is this now ?? Some new-fangled thing from our russian comarades ??

Don't repeat Akonadi (3, Insightful)

agm (467017) | about 2 years ago | (#41407471)

As long as they don't do what they did with the PIM suite and the monstrosity that is akonadi. That is some very badly developed, badly tested software. I stopped using Kmail in favour of Thunderbird because of it and I wish I had done it sooner. Hint to KDE devs: Linux is a multiuser desktop. People want to log in remotely from home as the same user that is logged in from work. akonadi does not handle this. I've had mail with subject, sender and body stuffed up. Seriously guys, who is responsible for that massive disaster? It was just plain unnecessary to pollute what is otherwise a decent email client with that crap.

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (2)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41407593)

This.

Kmail, and Knode are both applications that you want to work, but mostly don't. Akonadi is slowly getting better, but the speed of this is glacial. I can see the logic of having a central daemon controlling all your settings and such from a user perspective, but I think it overcomplicates things from a system perspective.

Other than that, though, much of KDE is very useful. I use it rather than any other desktop suite (I have ripped out gnome and unity from Ubuntu manually (I dislike kubuntu)), and when I want lightweight with no features, I just run FVWM and no DE at all.

As for PIM stuff... Gnome Docs and Gmail do what I need.

--
BMO

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41408095)

Agreed. I had been happily using kmail for about eight years, but have found it unusable since some time last year. It would just randomly freeze up for ten or fifteen minutes a time, with no GUI response and heavy disk usage, performing some inscrutable database operation. I eventually settled on claws-mail, which is very reminiscent of the old kmail.

http://www.claws-mail.org/

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#41409063)

The other thing about KMail - this was in 3.5 - was that it seemed to support POP3 but not IMAP. And even in POP3, it didn't allow the option of leaving a copy on the server. Result was me losing all my mail from an account when that computer crashed.

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

Shaman (1148) | about 2 years ago | (#41409987)

Supports IMAP fine. But the recent 4.x versions are buggy, as the OP mentioned.

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41408603)

I should add...

Go into Settings and Akonadi and remove all services except file indexing.

--
BMO

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

paai (162289) | about 2 years ago | (#41409107)

I agree 150%. Much as I like KDE and Kubuntu, my strong advice would be a complete feature freeze an concentrate on all the bugs. Every new distribution has dozens of applications unexpectedly misbehaving, many of them are not fixed after updates that themselves introduce other problems again...for gods sake first fix all the broken stuff. I more than once mailed this to the K-people, but they do not even answer.

Paai

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

Shaman (1148) | about 2 years ago | (#41409995)

I almost want to abuse my four-digit /. number to get karma points for this post. Then I remember that I hate work. ;)

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41412747)

So... Is it true that every tech professional grow up to be like Wally from the Dilbert strip?

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

timbo234 (833667) | about 2 years ago | (#41410251)

+1 But KDE with Thunderbird as the email client is still a great combination. Still not sure what akonadi's really supposed to help with in practice (I've read the documents and blog posts describing the theoretical rationale behind it).

Re:Don't repeat Akonadi (1)

Urza9814 (883915) | about 2 years ago | (#41411505)

First thing I always do when I setup a KDE system is disable as much of Akonadi as I can. I still don't have a clue what it actually does, I just know that if I leave it on the system runs slow and it pops up notifications every ten minutes for no apparent reason...

KDE feels like crap (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41407511)

While there are some nice KDE/Qt apps, the desktop itself "feels" terrible. I don't know how they can produce a desktop so bad with a toolkit that is so good.

It is nice to see... (5, Interesting)

ApplePy (2703131) | about 2 years ago | (#41407795)

...that the KDE folks are working at making the little details better, rather than the Gnome fix-what-ain't-broke philosophy. (Not meant to start that old flame war, but mentioned because it's nice to have choices.)

Count me as one of the people who found the Windows 95 desktop to be a godsend. Taskbar, docking for a handful of everyday applications, a clock so I know when it's beer:30, and one comprehensive "start" menu to find stuff I don't need that often. There's a reason this design has been so successful: it's intuitive for most everyone. KDE 3.5 -> 4.0 wasn't a major change, just like Win95 -> Vista. (Referring to UI there, not core) There were, of course, growing pains for both, but by KDE 4.8 and Win7, pretty much worked out.

If we want to yet again bring up the conversion of Windows users to Linux, KDE is the only Linux DE that isn't a confusing pile of shit to a Windows user. It's a virtually painless transition, especially if the user in question has already gotten used to cross-platform applications like Firefox & Thunderbird.

My job has programming and sysadmin duties, so I'm not exactly a fresh-from-MS noob. Do I lose nerd cred for using a DE that resembles Windows? Meh. I don't care. I've got KDE where I want it -- clean, simple, organized, a workflow I'm used to for 15+ years, and exactly the right amount of eye candy. I've no interest in using an incomprehensible desktop with tons of keyboard shortcuts just to prove I'm 1337. :-)

Re:It is nice to see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41407899)

I've always thought KDE was "a confusing pile of shit" myself, but to each his own. I sort of agree with what you say about the old windows taskbar, etc. but kde seems to have added tons of additional crap all over the place, and honestly it just doesn't appeal to me. Using gnome 3.... yeah that's like trying to be productive with windows 8.

Re:It is nice to see... (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 2 years ago | (#41408653)

There has been a lot of "if it ain't broke break it" lately.

Re:It is nice to see... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 2 years ago | (#41409089)

KDE seems to have been doing things right this way. With the current focus on a complete software project rather than just a DE, they know how to leave well-enough alone. The other great thing about them is that they make separate DEs for separate platforms - one for laptops, one for tablets, one for phones.... And w/ all the apps they have there - Calligra Suite, Skrooge and so on, looks like they have enough on their plate to not mess w/ that which ain't broke.

Re:It is nice to see... (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 2 years ago | (#41408801)

When I launch KDE I have many reactions. First that it looks full featured at a glance, and modern even if the blue colors, fonts, icons whatever seem over the top. Oh my god, it's full of animations! Stop playing with my eyesight so much. Desktop items display big controls buttons whenever I mouse over them including "X". Ugh, I'd have to lock that feature out. A tabbed menu with four random categories! it shows a handful of programs at the time! Right. I only need to find firefox, the terminal and log out anyway. Even then this start menu wastes space and is starving for it at the same time. The KDE3 start menu was brilliant when I used it a couple of times in 2004, possibly the best start menu ever. Back then the UI really looked like a windows clone, but better looking and more powerful.

So, right from the start I have to fix at least four or five things, and didn't bother hunting for settings dialogs or a KDE control panel, because of the unfriendly start menu. So I'm back to LXDE which is an actual Windows clone (a sort of Xfce but without the control panel, easier to use taskbar and lighter).

The whole thing is probably very nice but throws too much crap at you, and is so complex it feels like learning a whole new OS. and I know there are at least two weird databases to disable, thanks to reading slashdot rants over the years.

Re:It is nice to see... (1)

vigour (846429) | about 2 years ago | (#41409061)

When I launch KDE I have many reactions. First that it looks full featured at a glance, and modern even if the blue colors, fonts, icons whatever seem over the top. Oh my god, it's full of animations! Stop playing with my eyesight so much. Desktop items display big controls buttons whenever I mouse over them including "X". Ugh, I'd have to lock that feature out. A tabbed menu with four random categories! it shows a handful of programs at the time! Right. I only need to find firefox, the terminal and log out anyway. Even then this start menu wastes space and is starving for it at the same time. The KDE3 start menu was brilliant when I used it a couple of times in 2004, possibly the best start menu ever. Back then the UI really looked like a windows clone, but better looking and more powerful.

So, right from the start I have to fix at least four or five things, and didn't bother hunting for settings dialogs or a KDE control panel, because of the unfriendly start menu. So I'm back to LXDE which is an actual Windows clone (a sort of Xfce but without the control panel, easier to use taskbar and lighter).

The whole thing is probably very nice but throws too much crap at you, and is so complex it feels like learning a whole new OS. and I know there are at least two weird databases to disable, thanks to reading slashdot rants over the years.

You make some good points, KDE does look a bit too plastic, but the "control panel" is one of the first options in the start menu. You don't have to go hunting for it, and it's also very easy to turn the start menu back to classic 3.5 style. In my defence, I use Openbox on my netbook, Awesome on my laptop, and KDE on my desktop so I've no particular attachments to KDE.

Re:It is nice to see... (0)

devent (1627873) | about 2 years ago | (#41411171)

That is so stupid. The KDE4 menu is the best menu I ever saw, between Windows, Mac, and other Linux desktops.

You open the start menu and the first thing you see is "Favorites" with Firefox/Chrome or Konqueror as the browser, the Dolphin file manager, and something else I forget. The focused field is the search field, where you can just enter the name or the description of the application you want. Then you have it and can right click it to your favorites.

The next tab is "Applications" where you have, oh surprise, your applications. If you forget the name or what the application is for you can search it here by yourself.

The next is "Computer" where you have access to directories and settings. Recently used is very good as well, and Leave is where you leave. It is all pretty intuitive and it will not overload the user. Also it is click-less, meaning you do not have to click on the tabs.

Compare that please with Window's start menu. The Windows 95/XP menu is pretty useless because you can't search by name or description and the applications are sorted by the company name not by categories or names. The Windows Vista and 7 menu is overloaded with everything, plus it changes all the time (new installed apps wants always be there). There is "Recent", "Frequent", "Log Out", "Favorites" and Windows Explorer, Office, and Internet Explorer. It's like the Windows GUI designer were afraid that the users are too dump to find anything if it's not right there in one place.

Re:It is nice to see... (1)

udippel (562132) | about 2 years ago | (#41411863)

Partially I agree with you. At least on the W95/XP et al thingy. Actually, W98 was my favourite of that family.
I can't agree with you on the 'stupid', because that's not what the parent was. Also, I can't agree with the default KDE being the best since sliced bread. And I have shown / given this to a number of users. It does not lead the uninitiated user to the fountain of awesomeness. At least, I have yet to see that single first-time user.
I can agree that conceptually the KDE menu makes most sense. Being a KDE user myself, though, I still see how the KDE people are engineers, not usability oriented. And that runs the project down like SUN was run down by crappy management despite of great engineering. As I said, in KDE it is usability (if not plain ugliness : the dirty-blueish-grayish default colours). Qt is the toolkit of choice.
And with respect to the original topic: notifications ARE a bore on KDE. And the musings to which the summary leads, are quite okay; though long overdue. I myself hate to have sometimes a double-digit of messages, of an insane agglomeration of people being online, an important incoming mail, another incoming set of SPAM, a security update, 3 of my files copied to the thumb drive finished, the printer out of paper (though solved in the meantime). Sick. Did it even deserve a spot in /., to mention that finally someone with KDE-fame was enlightened enough to start pondering about this?

Re:It is nice to see... (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41412953)

First, I'd like to point that, as the GP says, the taskbar based interface it great. It is not good because it looks like Windows, it was Windows that was so successful using it because it is good. It loses some value with virtual desktops and KDE's activities, but it is still great. Now, for each his own. If you don't like it, ok. It may be because I make it very thin, but I rarely miss its space in a desktop.

Now, aswering you:

Desktop items display big controls buttons whenever I mouse over them including "X". Ugh, I'd have to lock that feature out.

That's the idea. You make a nice desktop arrangement and lock it, so it will stay nice.

A tabbed menu with four random categories! it shows a handful of programs at the time!

Yeah, by default the start menu is bad. You can change it to the old menu if you like it so much (right click the K button), or you can make it bigger, so it'll sholl more programs at a time. I found out that a bigger new start menu is way better than the old one if you also do the following:

I only need to find firefox, the terminal and log out anyway.

So, you either right click those programs and add them to the favorites, or drag it into the task bar or the desktop to create shortcuts. The "programs" tab should be for rarely used programs, not for using every time.

At the end of the day, it is not much more work than getting the Windows 95-7 interface to work well, but you'll get a much better desktop (agreed, not a very important thing, but that's what we are talking about) out of it.

Re:It is nice to see... (1, Offtopic)

BluPhenix316 (2656403) | about 2 years ago | (#41408855)

XFCE! XFCE I have found is absolutely brilliant. If you set it up right it has that classic Windows feel, though I set it up to look more like OS X. What can I say, I like the dock and bar on the top. Regardless, its clean, its fast. I'm using Voyager, which is a customized version of Xubuntu and I think its great, rarely does my system use more than 400 to 500mb of RAM though I have 6gb currently.

YAY it only took you a year (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#41407895)

to figure out how to make a popup

what? did you want balloons and a party at monkey joe's?

Re:YAY it only took you a year (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41408797)

They had those "popups" for at least a decade. What they are trying to do now is making those notifications less annoying.

There are better from community (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41408369)

I don't get it, why they want notifications to be so huge, continually visible and include all kind information when not related to current task?

I so hoped that they would listen community what has come with better ideas like: Passive notification system with intuitive actions [kde.org]

I voted that (and so seems lots of people) but still need to wait that idea author or someone else would implement that.

 

Windows registry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41408371)

Great if they actually improve things, but I suspect they will make things worse.

Overall once the kinks were worked out of 4.x, I found it to be pretty nice. Except for the nepomunk/akonadi/sematic dersktop junk, which seems to compete with the Windows registry for causing difficulties and chewing up resources.

The worse part. I've listened to the KDE developers and they actually like it.

Just don't fuck up the rest of the desktop! (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about 2 years ago | (#41408791)

Especially after KDE 4.9.1 finally started working properly with Compiz. That's my primary desktop at work after I had to leave GNOME3.

Re:Just don't fuck up the rest of the desktop! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41409099)

Why on earth would you want to use Compiz? KWin (in GL mode) is more efficient, a much cleaner architecture, and just plain works better.

Colibri (1)

nikolardo (2266242) | about 2 years ago | (#41408961)

How about some love for Colibri notifications? No, you don't get the copying notification, and you can't have interaction, but they're pretty, customizable, and basically disappear on a mouseover.

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