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Iran Set To Block Access To Google

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the haraamph-haraamph dept.

Censorship 279

legolas writes "The official state online censorship body in Iran has reported that Google and Gmail are going to be blocked effective immediately, ostensibly in response to the contentious videos that YouTube is hosting. This comes as Iran is preparing the launch of their 'Halal' intranet to replace the current direct (albeit highly censored) access to the global Internet. While there have been several state-organized protests for the film 'Innocence Of Muslims' in Iran, the public in general doesn't seem bothered by it."

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Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (4, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432031)

This poll seems timely: http://www.gallup.com/poll/148763/muslim-americans-no-justification-violence.aspx [gallup.com]

People react to the culture in which they're brought up. And even in the Middle East, it's a small proportion of Muslims acting in the way rightists here want to depict all Muslims as.

As an atheist, I have no dog in this fight, except one: I want to live in a peaceful world. Six years ago I wrote this journal entry [slashdot.org]. I'm more fearful today than then that a new Hitler will arise, and no less convinced that the chances are equal that such a Hitler will come from the West as they are from the Middle East.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432065)

I don't know about the above jibber-jabber, but it seems like Iran didn't take lightly to google being a monopoly in Europe.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (5, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432611)

The above jibber-jabber you replied to is siding with Iran even though he didn't say so.

By implying that a new "Hitler" could rise out of the West while all the signs are pointing towards the Middle East and the surrounding area - Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Libya.

Shutting out Google / YouTube is not the only thing Iran is doing.

Iran is also banning Female Students from taking courses in 77 subjects, including English Literature, Nuclear Science, Sociology, Philosophy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-22/iranian-women-banned-from-77-university-courses/4275764 [abc.net.au]

It's a totally fucked up world under Islam and more often than not the "new Hitler" will come from a fucked up world, not from places like the West.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432757)

Well said. But I don't have an account and no one else on here is going to mod you up as ~"west = bad" is the way to get mod points.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (3, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432767)

If you dont think hate is being generated here in the USA by "news channel talk show hosts" or "radio talk show hosts", then you havent been paying attention.
It takes generations to remove hate from a culture, but it only takes a few years to generate it.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432977)

I'm no expert on the subject (I know everyone else is), but I seem to remember Hitler arose in a battered, lagging nation, suffering from years of retribution over WWI. And before the inevitable, "oh well our economy kinda stinks", you'll have to work pretty hard to convince me that the state of our nation's psyche is anywhere near postwar Germany.

Meanwhile, Gallup says Obama is in the lead, beating a contender that (all hyperbole aside) does not resemble a maniacal dictator with ambitions of taking over the world and breeding a race of aryans to rule for a thousand years. At worst he's an insensitive 2000's-era business mogul looking to enrich his somewhat-similar buddies. At best, he's a political panderer with the ideological spine of a wet noodle and little real prowess to back it up, just doing what looked like the next stop on his career path.

If you want to find a Hitler, I think you'd have to look somewhere pretty poor (not: I can't have the new iphone 5 for another 6 months), where once there was wealth, with a raging hard-on for the outside world. Then find the intelligent, convincing, hard core political leader that presents himself as a "true believer" fighting for his people.

I know we hear some pretty nasty stuff on TV sometimes, but the idea that we're nearing anything close to building a Fourth Reich in earnest seems really silly. Our hot-button issues sound like, "shouldn't gays have all the same marriage priviledges as straights?!" and "is capital gains tax too low?!" or "I think marijuana should be legal!" It all sounds like a far cry from, "are muslims really human beings, or sub-human creatures we should blame for 8% unemployment?"

I dunno... like I said, I'm no expert in geopolitics. That's just how it all looks to me.

Hyperbole (4, Interesting)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432995)

If you dont think hate is being generated here in the USA by "news channel talk show hosts" or "radio talk show hosts", then you havent been paying attention.
It takes generations to remove hate from a culture, but it only takes a few years to generate it.

The current "hate" is of the sort "I don't want a ground zero Mosque just like a Japanese wouldn't want Disneyland Hiroshima"
The Nazi kind of "hate" is of the sort "Retards and cripples must die, because they are inferior. Jews must all die, because they are monsters"

If you think that these two attitudes are remotely similar, then you are horribly sensationalist.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432775)

But the original Hitler came from the west not from a fucked up place.
And the next Hitler, must come from a relatively wealthy industrialized place or he/she will have no chance of waging an effective war against everyone else.

Your logic seems flawed.

Shitholes like that generally produce nothing more than petty tyrants who are incapable of projecting significant power beyond their region.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (4, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432963)

But the original Hitler came from the west not from a fucked up place.

What exactly do you suppose you would call Germany, post WW1? Hyperinflation isnt typically the mark of a great place to live.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (5, Insightful)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432103)

Trying to save this from a First Post Godwin,

Mr. H. is passe. That's not precisely how the next threat will manifest. The world is too networked for that. I don't have time to read my 1,000 pages for Citations Needed, but basically Mr. H. got as far as he did because of the specific places he was in geography-time.

Now, we might see another Charismatic Dangerous Leader, yes. But you can't go just marching along, not today. So the next Bad Guy will be more of a Loose Cannon that needs to be talked down Game Theory style, with VERY clever diplomacy.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432259)

Mr. H. is quite dead, but the ideals are alive and well in today's world. Most people will just march along if they get squeezed in the right fashion, trashing the economy still provides the best results. The "war to end all wars" is coming, if not this one, then the next, or maybe the one after that...

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432291)

I like yer sig. I read something similar a long time ago: "Evil, like a mathematical proof gone wrong, cannot be 'fixed' - it must be removed entirely & re-started from scratch". :)

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432329)

That's why I reboot my evil once a day.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432507)

Mr H. had a similar opinion on evil, which was spelled as either jewry or weakness. Strength can only prevail if it eliminates all kinds of weakness.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

z0idberg (888892) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432647)

So the last war will be the war to end all wars?

You are quite sure it won't be the second last one?

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

pro151 (2021702) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432399)

"Mr. H"?! Since when did he earn the right to be referred to in this way?

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432763)


"Mr. H"?! Since when did he earn the right to be referred to in this way?

I refer to him as "great-great-great-Uncle."
Wish I could have met him, just to get into his head.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432631)

Mr. H. is passe. That's not precisely how the next threat will manifest. The world is too networked for that. I don't have time to read my 1,000 pages for Citations Needed, but basically Mr. H. got as far as he did because of the specific places he was in geography-time.

Now, we might see another Charismatic Dangerous Leader, yes. But you can't go just marching along, not today. So the next Bad Guy will be more of a Loose Cannon that needs to be talked down Game Theory style, with VERY clever diplomacy.

I worry less about the next Hitler than I do on Western countries thinking that they see Hitler everywhere and have to act.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432915)

Mr. H. is passe. That's not precisely how the next threat will manifest. The world is too networked for that. I don't have time to read my 1,000 pages for Citations Needed, but basically Mr. H. got as far as he did because of the specific places he was in geography-time.

And that's how you can fail to degodwinize a thread. Hilter was lucky to get where he did, but it wasn't so much a matter of luck that a Hitler rose to power. For example, the German military, almost immediately started violating the terms of the Treaty of Versailles to the point where they apparently were killing people who knew too much of the Treaty violations in the 1920s. As it turned out, one of the leaders who supervised the German military's black ops stuff, a General Kurt von Schleicher, later became the chancellor of Germany prior to the appointment of Adolf Hitler.

Prior to Schleicher, there was Chancellor Franz von Papen whose most notable act of the period was to overthrow the state government of Prussia (one of the bigger obstacles to ending the Weimar Republic). In other words, there were a number of potential Hitlers out there, two which preceded Hitler in the very job by which he took over. The actual Hitler was relatively dangerous, but he was far from unique.

Now, we might see another Charismatic Dangerous Leader, yes. But you can't go just marching along, not today. So the next Bad Guy will be more of a Loose Cannon that needs to be talked down Game Theory style, with VERY clever diplomacy.

Hitler could have been dealt with that very way and he took a great number of risks that could have ended his reign before the Second World War started. For example, the remilitarization of the Rhine in 1936 provided a great opportunity for France and the UK to take him down. The weakness of his primary opponents was just as important as Hitler's qualities.

Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432207)

it's a small proportion of Muslims acting in the way rightists here want to depict all Muslims as.

BULLSHIT!

Pakistan's Foreign Minister has this to say about free speech:

US needs to rethink on free speech: Hina [nation.com.pk]

WASHINGTON - In the wake of anti-America protests in many parts of the world over an anti-Islam film, the US needs to rethink about its concept of free speech, Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said.

“It is not good enough to say it’s free speech, it should be allowed. I think if this does provoke action against American citizens or Americans anywhere else in the world, then maybe we do need to rethink how much freedom is OK,” Hina told CNN in an interview.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432227)

Have you been to Iran? I was just there two months ago. The majority of the population hates their government, but they are too scared to do anything about it.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432261)

Have you been to Iran? I was just there two months ago. The majority of the population hates their government, but they are too scared to do anything about it.

And that means the rioters attacking US, French, and other Western interests throughout the Islamic world are small in number?

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432343)

Well, since it's a fact they are "small in number", relative to their population, yes, the parent post does infer what is factually true.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1)

Schmorgluck (1293264) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432617)

It's factually true, but it doesn't follow from the premises. It's a non sequitur.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (4, Interesting)

dskoll (99328) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432495)

Every Iranian I've ever met has been erudite, intelligent, moderate and truly delightful. The Iranian people are oppressed by Islamists who justify their power by appealing to Islam. As long as Islam holds sway over a billion+ people, injustices like the Iranian theocracy will perpetuate.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432553)

The Iranian people are oppressed by Islamists who justify their power by appealing to Islam. As long as Islam holds sway over a billion+ people, injustices like the Iranian theocracy will perpetuate.

There's an old saying that the amount of shit you are willing to put up with is approximately the amount of shit you'll be given.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432747)

Well la dee dah!

I got to know eight Iranians in college because they came into the on-campus copy shop I worked at all the time. They were, without exception, racist, thuggish, mysoginst assholes. Refused to be helped by any female employees, talked down to everyone, didn't buy into the concept of waiting in line, and that sort of shit. Couple were from some sort of oil money. Nearly got in a fight with me on two occasions when I made it clear I was not putting up with their bullshit.

Personal anecdotes, huh?

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (5, Interesting)

guttentag (313541) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432835)

Every Iranian I've ever met has been erudite, intelligent, moderate and truly delightful.

This is consistent with my experience. I have the utmost respect for every Iranian I have personally gotten to know.

Then again, every Iranian I've ever met (a few dozen) took huge risks to escape the regime in Iran and request asylum in the U.S. Unless you have wide experience in Iranian cities and rural areas, the people we have met are more extreme than the general population, in much the same way that the steam that rises from a boiling pot is hotter than the water in the pot. I absolutely believe that in Iran, as in Russia, the masses do not believe the state propaganda being produced to keep a paranoid minority in power, but it would be a mistake to assume that the majority of people in Iran are like the ones who escaped. By definition, they're different because they didn't escape (for whatever reason).

It's also important to remember that being erudite, intelligent and moderate doesn't preclude one from being complicit with more radical ideas. About 15 years ago a relative in New York doing business with a factory in Pakistan asked me work with a technically-proficient relative of the owner of the factory to set up a modern communications channel to replace the expensive fax and telex method they'd been using for years. I was expecting difficulty in communicating concepts and file formats because I had no idea what kind of equipment they were using. As I talked with my counterpart in Pakistan, who happened to be a military officer, I was struck by how erudite, intelligent, moderate and practical he was. I liked the guy. We very quickly figured things out and saved both sides a lot of time and money. A year later, when Pakistan tested its first nuclear weapon [wikipedia.org], he was the military spokesperson quoted in all the English-language newspapers announcing the test. I am sure he was opposed to the test and the increased tensions with India that would result, but that didn't stop him from being used as the mouthpiece that spread fear around the world in the spring of 1998.

Well, that sounds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432909)

quite a lot like here. Banks rape our country and 'Mricans stand around like cows being led to a slaughterhouse...doing nothing. Things are just a little more temporally advanced in Iran. We'll see it here in not that long.

Re:Complete and utter pandering BULLSHIT (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432913)

I'm much more disturbed by the growing numbers of Americans and Europeans that agree with him. Free speech will soon be limited to whatever graffiti a guy has time to spray on the wall.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (4, Informative)

Twigmon (1095941) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432303)

I think the most scary thing from the poll you linked is that 8% of Muslims did not agree that: Muslims living in the U.S. do not sympathize with the al Qaeda terrorist organization.

This means that 1 in 12 Muslims interviewed could believe that Muslims living in the U.S. sympathize with an organisation who openly hates western society.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (3, Informative)

poity (465672) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432483)

Well, that could have other meanings. It could mean, as you say, that they're admitting something. But it could just as likely mean that there are some Muslims who are cynical about people of their faith. I'm sure we can find a good percentage of self-identified Christians who think they're surrounded by fundamentalists and think there are people among them who sympathize with abortion clinic bombers. Less of them would think so as compared to non-Christians, just like the graph, but I'm sure you could find 8 cynics out of 100.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (3, Insightful)

poity (465672) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432447)

I'm not sure about those equal chances. People in the West don't fear for their lives when they espouse anti-authoritarian or anti-religion views. This tells me there are more barriers in the West to some imaginary future Hitler. Now, you can say those barriers aren't good enough for you, but the difference is there and the equivalence is false.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (2, Interesting)

dskoll (99328) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432475)

People react to the culture in which they're brought up.

So... does it have nothing to do with culture and religion that most Muslim countries have poor human development levels? That most Muslim countries are sexist (in practice even if they deny it) and homophomic? That a disproportionate number of conflicts involve Muslim countries? Or that most people killed in religiously-motivated riots in the last 50 years have been killed by Muslims (and indeed, have probably been Muslim themselves)?

As another atheist, I think all religion is bad. But just because all religions are bad doesn't mean that all religions are equally bad and at this particular moment in history, Islam is by far the most dangerous religion.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432485)

Or a really girly TV show

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

andrew2325 (2647845) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432549)

In the Bible, it calls that guy the antichrist, and there are many false prophets. Many people thought hitler was and people think the world is going to end this year because of the mayan calendar, even Christians. Do you know what the mayans did? Sacrificed children to false gods. Why would a Christian believe this when Jesus said we didn't know the day or the hour. At any rate, the signs that the good Lord will be back really are around us, and I'm glad that Google does what it does, even if they are monopolizing in an area. They should stick to those guns, and they should definitely try to inform their users of tunnels and things like tor because the truth should definitely be told, people should be educated, and I think that's why you fear this so much.

Islamophobia and hypocrisy (1)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432657)

Six years ago I wrote this journal entry [slashdot.org]. I'm more fearful today than then that a new Hitler will arise, and no less convinced that the chances are equal that such a Hitler will come from the West as they are from the Middle East

In that journal, you speak of criticism of Islam as "racial hatred". This is absurd; a person who criticizes Islam is no more racist than a person who criticizes communism. A religion (or ideology) is not a race.

And I would love the Left to practice what it preaches; they ostensibly hate religious intolerance and portray conservatives as "islamophobics", but they do not hesitate to demonize politicians who participated in an Opus Dei retreat.

I clarify that I do not support the sort of sensationalist anti-Islam rhetoric that you see on FrontPage Magazine. I am just highlighting the hypocrisy of those who ostensibly fight for Equality(TM) and Tolerance(TM), yet see no problem in demonizing orthodox Catholics, Evangelicals, and (the most bizarre part, since these people pretend to love the poor) rural Americans, who are despised as "hillbillies", "toothless hicks", "inbred", etc.

I would love the concept of tolerance to be practiced with coherence and reason.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432667)

...it's a small proportion of Muslims acting in the way rightists here want to depict all Muslims as.

Says Agenda Joe.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

Guru80 (1579277) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432679)

Didn't bother to go read your 6 year old post, but I disagree on your last point in the parent. There very well could be another "Hitler" in the near future but he's going to be a religious fanatic bent on completely eliminating a competing sect/religion. Think Iran/Israel or any of the other dozens of groups who have a competing antithesis to their stance. Wouldn't shock me at all to see one of those groups to get their hands on the ability to completely wipe out their opposition and actually do it.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432701)

Good for you! You get a cookie!

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432735)

Most atheists I know have a dog in every fight. Proclaim "There is no God!" is just as annoying as telling everyone to repent. Your anti-believe in God is just as fervent as any foaming at the mouth preachers belief. I'd think that anyone that truly didn't have a religion, if I asked them about the subject they'd just say "Oh I dunno... never really thought about it." Instead you have your own religion, Atheism, and you believe anyone that doesn't agree with your faith is strange and capable of violence. If only they had the same moral compass as you do... perhaps you should try and convert them? Oh wait...

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432811)

...it's a small proportion of Muslims acting in the way rightists here want to depict all Muslims as.

And why do leftists seem to want to minimize the problem as a few "extremists"? How big was the Nazi party in the 1920s? How big in the 1930s? They grew astoundingly well once the brownshirts started their reign of terror. How is it any different in a largely muslim country where fear of Islamists runs high, and why do you expect the result to be any different? And what evidence do you present that the same thing will happen in the Western countries?

No it seems to me you're playing both ends against the middle. But that is just hiding your face hoping the problem will just go away. But please laugh it off as some "fascists" who are concerned.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432817)

I don't know about you, but I have been praying for Xenu to come, put them all in volcanoes and then blow them up with HBombs.

Praise be to the Overlord.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432945)

it's a small proportion of Muslims acting in the way rightists here want to depict all Muslims as.

>>Objecting to others stereotyping a group
>>Doing so by stereotyping "rightists"

I see what you did there.

Re:Before we get the usual gaggle of fascists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432947)

If I was an American Muslim answering questions over the phone about acceptable levels of violence, I too would play the 'peace' card. Also, you very naive.

Who cares (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432033)

Niggers. That's who.

Re:Who cares (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432049)

That's racist

Re:Who cares (1)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432315)

If you hate all other races equally, that's actually Bigotry. If you include all other people (your own race not excepted), then it's just being a GOB (Grumpy Old Bastard). And I am not far away from that <BFG>.

No big loss (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432035)

Fuck em, who needs em.

Re:No big loss (3, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432151)

Certain US (and other countries) agencies needs them. How else they are supposed to do social engineering on iranian population?

Re:No big loss (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432565)

the iranian population needs to be hearded like the animals they are, not engineered like people

liberal ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432041)

Interesting despondence between fucked-up Iranian government and liberal Iranian population.

Re:liberal ? (0)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432109)

Not all Iranian population is liberal. There are plenty of people there who support the status quo. In US, you'd call them "conservative".

Re:liberal ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432971)

Not all Iranian population is liberal. There are plenty of people there who support the status quo. In US, you'd call them "conservative".

Most of the non-liberals I know are trying really hard to get rid of FDR's status quo. The status quo (a rapidly accelerating Nanny State) is exactly the problem, and it's liberals/progressives that are pushing it so hard.

Iranians backing the regime there are either doing so out of fear, or they are extremist nut jobs. Not "conservatives" in any sense that the word applies to western politics, fiscal policy, etc.

stop knocking them and start fixing the problem (1)

ozduo (2043408) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432081)

we need to educate the Iranian's on how to circumvent their censorship, via proxy ETC. They they can decide their own fate!

Re:stop knocking them and start fixing the problem (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432579)

we need to leave them to their own, we have already wasted tons of time and resources training them for fuck all of nothing, they just need to be cut loose, that way when they fuck up they cant come back whining and bitching like they do now.

The 'National' Interanet, here we come! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432121)

... While there have been several state-organized protests for the film 'Innocence Of Muslims' in Iran, the public in general doesn't seem bothered by it.

Google and Gmail are two of the most widely used web services in Iran which 'coincidentally' the government doesn't like. They were looking for an excuse to block access to them all along, and they found one (albeit a bit lousy one). The plan to migrate from Internet to Interanet is right on schedule!

Re:The 'National' Interanet, here we come! (1)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432379)

Ummm...piss-poor excuse which shows those with the most power have IQs inversely proportional usually. i.e. If they wanted to stop that video, wouldn't they just block IT (or the link to it), or just all of YouTube...NOT all of Google/Gmail ffs...?

Just because the G-men stood up for freedom of speech & true democracy across the board for the millionth time & this time it affects their ongoing spread of ignorance, lies & evil...? Pftt.

And WTF is it with deifying human prophets anyway FFS...? :-/ It's sad to think half the world share the same 1st 5 books of the bible, ergo the same OT God, and yet cannot seem to get along with each other (or the other half of the world) most of the time...Jesus wept! *sigh*.

This was to be expected regardless of this video (5, Insightful)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432157)

After Stuxnet Iran started buying up networking equipment like crazy to make their own version of the Great Chinese Firewall. Eventually they were going to segregate all outbound communications. Considering the amount of information people trust to Google and the fact that the US Government can access the information if they ask for it (Google has little choice but to comply) there is little reason not to filter their services out completely. Plus if users are forced to use Iranian Internet services the Iranian state can then access all personal user information regardless if it is encrypted en route or not.

Re:This was to be expected regardless of this vide (4, Interesting)

legolas (125275) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432203)

Iran already tried to address this by forging certificates for man-in-the-middle attacks [bbc.co.uk].

Re:This was to be expected regardless of this vide (1)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432257)

(..) there is little reason not to filter their services out completely.

Sure there is: how are Iranians going to find their anti-US propaganda on the Irantranet, if they don't have Google to find it? </sarcasm>

Re:This was to be expected regardless of this vide (2)

z0idberg (888892) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432673)

Would be interesting to know where they are sourcing their networking equipment from and how much trust they are placing in the hardware/firmware.

Re:This was to be expected regardless of this vide (2)

artor3 (1344997) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432729)

Wasn't Stuxnet transmitted by the good old fashioned "dropped" flash drive trick? I'm pretty sure these two events are unrelated. The Iranian theocracy wants control. This is just another vector by which to achieve it.

how many usb flash drives can fit in one's anus? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432183)

the world may never know.

Re:how many usb flash drives can fit in one's anus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432277)

I might be of assistance here, how big of flash drives are we talking?

Re:how many usb flash drives can fit in one's anus (1)

grub (11606) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432797)

Might be able to tuck a couple in beside those 2 hard disks and greased Yoda doll.

Re:how many usb flash drives can fit in one's anus (1)

guttentag (313541) | about a year and a half ago | (#41433013)

In the U.S., we send in professional teams of world-class experts to get the job done. That's how we got Bin Laden. So it sounds like you're saying is we should send a diplomatic delegation of pr0n stars to Iran, after an intensive six-week boot camp with Drill Sgt. Goatse. Interesting, but I don't think it would work because pr0n is on the list of evil Western things the government doesn't like.

make money (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432365)

Turn $40 into $1000's here http://mcaworkforce.com/?a=9221

As if "our" Internet is anything worth defending (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432401)

Re:As if "our" Internet is anything worth defendin (0)

Nostromo21 (1947840) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432497)

Does this mean they will take away youporn.com as well!? My GOD, by the prophet's light, how/where will young Iranians learn what real sex (i.e. that not involving institutionalised slavery & rape) is all about now? This is a cruelty of Biblical & genital proportions I say to the Iranian gubment!!!

I wonder if someday this could be done here (5, Interesting)

QilessQi (2044624) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432523)

in the United States. Large swaths of the country are deeply religious, by which I mean some stripe of Christianity. They have grown increasingly suspicious (if not downright scornful) of scientists and educators who challenge their views and threaten to corrupt the views of their children. I suspect that many of these folks sincerely see unrestricted search engines and an uncensored internet as tools of the devil. How far would public opinion have to tip before *all* searches are "safe" searches, and the "sanitized" web becomes the norm?

It seems unthinkable. But when 46% of the U.S. population earnestly believes that humans were created in their present form within the last 10,000 years, you have to be open to what happens if that number goes to 56%, or 96%.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/americans-believe-in-creationism_n_1571127.html [huffingtonpost.com]

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432613)

Get over yourself. First start by citing a source that isn't the left wing version of Fox news. Next realize that there are a small but vocal group that represents this fringe element. I know tons of Christians and I don't know of a single one who has a problem with evolution being taught. To be honest I don't know of a single one that has said anything against evolution.
 
I know you'll be modded up and if anything I'll be modded down but your post is pretty much trolling. Let's be honest here, if the Christian right really had that kind of power do you really think that abortion and homosexuality would still be legal?

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432723)

Fuck you. Creationism is being taught in schools and Gay Marriage is still illegal.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432899)

Gay marriage != homosexuality.
 
It seems some people are vastly ignorant that at one point in US history, homosexuality was illegal and passed off by the government themselves as a mental illness. Think what you will be the homosexual community has progressed by leaps and bounds. But hey, bash the US.... if you were a gay in Iran you'd be in fear for your very life. But let's sweep that fact under the carpet so you can feel good about bashing Christians.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432719)

I think it's more likely that it'll all be done under the guise of 'safety'.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432753)

The number that believe in creationism has been pretty much constant for the past thirty years, according to the survey you cite. What makes you think that it's going to go up? And even if it does, what makes you so sure that belief in creationism correlates so closely to a desire to lock down the internet?

What exactly are you even getting at? That would should be afraid of "others"? Sounds like run-of-the-mill hate-mongering to me. No different from Rush Limbaugh moaning about how the US is on track to become majority-minority.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432837)

Creationism is a symptom of the general disdain for critical thinking a large portion of our society seems to embrace. By saying 46% of Americans believe in Creationism it's the same as saying 46% of Americans are either poorly educated or are actively staying ignorant because reading is for faggots. Lets say the GOP gets into office and wins a majority in the house and senate. They slash funding for schools, they increase government handouts to religious organizations, they start legislating using the bible as an instruction manual. How long before that 46% starts going up? What happens when "smart people", as Rick Santorum put it, are vastly outnumbered by people who think there's a magical man in the sky who cries when buttsex happens. At lot of the bible is ignored these days. Think of all the things you do everyday that would get you stoned to death. What happens when people start buying that shit again as the TRUTH.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432761)

Right. The US is only 4% away from implementing theocracy.

I am an atheist and I hate atheists so fucking much. Why do they always say the most irrational shit imaginable and have such a chip on their shoulder about the whole religion thing?

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432787)

While the odds may seem low at the moment, the possibility of the rise of a Nehemiah Scudder scares me. (In a way, it's too bad Heinlein never wrote that story; then again, it leaves it as an interesting exercise for the reader.)

The U.S. is in trouble enough owing to that 46%. Does it increase another five or ten points, we're totally screwed. (Of course, it's still unknown if we'll survive the DHS. The combination of that with a theocracy would be beyond chilling.)

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432855)

"Logic of Empire" gives some small hints as to his rise.

Creationism stems from faithlessness (1)

kawabago (551139) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432823)

The Christians proclaim that the bible is literally true and it is the proof what they believe is true. The problem with that is faith means believing without proof. So all the Christians demanding Creationism be taught in schools are actually proclaiming their own lack of faith. It's kind of funny when you think about it.

Re:Creationism stems from faithlessness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432921)

Not that I support creationism, but here is your error "The problem with that is faith means believing without proof. "

Hyperbole (0)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432853)

in the United States. Large swaths of the country are deeply religious, by which I mean some stripe of Christianity.

Which is completely different from Islam.

They have grown increasingly suspicious (if not downright scornful) of scientists and educators who challenge their views and threaten to corrupt the views of their children. I suspect that many of these folks sincerely see unrestricted search engines and an uncensored internet as tools of the devil. How far would public opinion have to tip before *all* searches are "safe" searches, and the "sanitized" web becomes the norm?

Oh please. No respected Christian opposes freedom of expression for scientific, religious, philosophical, or political ideas. At most, a few of them oppose hardcore pornography (which is not ideological or political censorship).

It seems unthinkable. But when 46% of the U.S. population earnestly believes that humans were created in their present form within the last 10,000 years, you have to be open to what happens if that number goes to 56%, or 96%.

The argument you are implying is a huge non sequitur. Believing that humans were created by God (which by the way is different from young-Earth creationism) has nothing to do with supporting censorship.

Please don't cite Huffington post. Not only they promote ridiculous pseudoscience (homeopathy, detoxification and vaccine-causes-autism)*, but their political views make Michael Moore and Oliver Stone look like reasonable thinkers.

* http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4283 [skeptoid.com]

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432891)

>in the United States. Large swaths of the country are crazy, by which I mean some stripe of Christianity. They have grown increasingly suspicious (if not downright scornful) of scientists and educators who challenge their views and threaten to corrupt the views of their children. I suspect that many of these folks sincerely see unrestricted search engines and an uncensored internet as tools of the devil. How far would public opinion have to tip before *all* searches are "safe" searches, and the "sanitized" web becomes the norm?

It seems unthinkable. But when 46% of the U.S. population earnestly believes that humans were created in their present form within the last 10,000 years, you have to be open to what happens if that number goes to 56%, or 96%.
>

Just because the mentally ill are a majority. Does not mean i want to be mentally ill too. And no we should not listen to them.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (1)

guttentag (313541) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432933)

But when 46% of the U.S. population earnestly believes that humans were created in their present form within the last 10,000 years, you have to be open to what happens if that number goes to 56%, or 96%.

46%? I know that number. Aren't those the people Mitt Romney said [nytimes.com] don't pay any taxes? Just as Mitt's numbers were a gross mischaracterization of nearly half the country, I would tend to question the assertion that 46% of the population supports religious censorship. In the United States no one is more aware of the ties between "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" than the religious right. Their way of life couldn't exist without those. I've sat through sermons in numerous churches of different denominations that talk about how lucky we are to have this, and how fortunate we are that we don't live in states like China that practice censorship. Many of them ask their congregations to donate money to support missionaries to subvert censorship in other countries to spread religion. They don't want anyone censoring their beliefs, and censoring others who are anathema to your religious beliefs is an exercise in stones and glass houses of worship. Sure, there are a few short-sighted religious leaders out there who don't understand this or care, but the majority get it, and they would tell their congregations to apply the golden rule [wikipedia.org] here.

Re:I wonder if someday this could be done here (1)

anubi (640541) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432969)

You ain't kidding.

I consider myself spiritual. I know God exists. Look around and consider Occam's razor. See creation - observe its complexity. There has to be something that created it.

In the Christian Bible, there is the story of Moses, who asked God about who was sending him to the Pharoah of Egypt to tell him to let the Israelites go. God replied " I am who I am". So what does that say? God is not man. He is who He is. A process? I do not know. No one else seems to either.

Only thing I know is that this thing I know as God has to be extremely powerful, creative and intelligent - much more than I am. Does He take a personal interest in me? That is what I would like to find out. Forces that have a substantial financial interest in our belief systems would have us think so. Especially if they can position themselves as the intermediary. How seriously can the hocking from their heads be taken?

You should have seen the wake of frustration I stirred up in my Church when I confessed to the Pastor that I was having fits over the faith doctrines and I had a lot of doubting Thomas in me. One of the Ten Commandments was not to bear false witness. So am I to confess to things I have not personally witnessed? This is the kind of behaviour I expect from politicians, used car salesmen and stockbrokers... whose headhocking has extremely low credibility in my book.

I ended up downright asking if I had to be a liar and give up my personal integrity in order to be a proper church Christian... as I felt - as an engineer - duty bound to report the truth. My personal integrity demands it. At that point, they suddenly had important matters that had to be attended to and they scurried to their cars. They had time to hock up in front of microphones, but all they can tell me is God wants gullible people who accept whatever some head hocks up?

The Bible also tells us to be wary of the False Prophet. The Parable of the Fig Tree, who Jesus Himself told us to learn, tells of the wolves in sheep's clothing who seek to enslave us. How about the part that says we aren't to go around preaching while carrying a begging bag? We are just here to "sow seeds", then show up next week for the "harvest" of new believers and tithers? Whatever happened to "tending the sheep", or do we just show up every week with silver begging bowls and shearing tools?

I guess if I am going to Hell, I am going to be sent there because I refused to witness to things I have not seen.

Am I to believe that the Church is trying to screen in the most gullible, superstitious, and ignorant among us, discarding the rest of us as agents of Satan, because they cast their "pearls of wisdom" before us, and we, being the swine we are, question the intention?

No wonder the Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, described so well in the Bible, hates science! You can break Man's law as long as you avoid getting caught. Ever tried to break one of God's law? You can't. They are self-enforcing! Of course, we can't stand to give God the credit for His law, so we call it some arcane thing like "Thermodynamics". God's Law reveals the False Prophet in all its nakedness. Of course, expect them to use everything in their power to discredit truth - starting with microphones and high powered amplifiers, financed with proceeds from silver bowls.

Ok, ok, enough of this rant. I am going to get moderated "off topic" for this rant, and deservedly so. All I can say is that I consider myself spiritual, believe in God, and even I am highly leery of "religious fanatics" coming into power. Even my "own" religion!

You read "Obedience to Authority" by Stanley Milgram and you see we are capable of extremely heinous acts if someone else puts us up to it. I would hate to have our fate determined by some religious fanatic's imagination.

This is exactly what we are seeing a lot of today.

The God I believe in is quite powerful enough to do whatever He wants to do. For me to meddle in it is just about as helpful as my cat trying to "help" me fix my car.

Islam is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432575)

The religion of peace.

Re:Islam is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432633)

The Koran demands you start killing within the first 10 pages

Re:Islam is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432791)

The Koran demands you start killing within the first 10 pages

Citation needed.

Islam is the religion of peace. Westerners, caught up in their PC cultures, cannot extend that to Islam, because they are against Islam.

THIS FP FOR GNA%A (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432685)

aln operating system Creek, abysmal Real problems you. The tireless

"The official state online censorship body" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432773)

That's about as much as you need to read to know that the country in question has an oppressive government.

i could be wrong but , (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41432781)

i thought iranians were persians with a different god from muslims, also i seem to remember that they were enemies of al-queda also
i might be just dreaming this whole thing up....

Role Reversal (1)

detritus. (46421) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432825)

Would Americans honestly care if their access to Iran's sites were blocked? If Google was an Iranian company, I don't think most would honestly miss it much if it were banned here, especially if you were being sanctioned and a victim of cyber attacks.

Will they go IPv6? (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | about a year and a half ago | (#41432893)

But will they go IPv6? Since they start from scratch this would make sense.

Oh, wait, this is more of a YRO issue and less of a technical one.....

I'll get my coat.
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