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Barnes & Noble's Nook HD Tablets Face iPad, Kindle Fire HD

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the so-many-cheap-computers-so-little-money dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "It's proven a busy month for mobile-device releases. First Nokia whipped back the curtain from the Lumia 820 and 920, its first Windows Phone 8 devices. The very next day, Amazon unveiled its new line of Kindle devices, including the Kindle Fire HD. Not to be outdone, Apple executives took to a stage in San Francisco the next week to show off the iPhone 5, complete with a larger screen and faster processor. But September's not over yet, and the releases keep coming: Barnes & Noble has launched a pair of HD tablets, the Nook HD and Nook HD+, designed to maintain the bookseller's toehold in the tablet space. The question is whether the Nook, even with upgraded hardware and new services, can successfully punch above its weight against the iPad and Kindle Fire, which are widely perceived as the dominant devices in the tablet market." Nook HD specs (Android 4.0, Dual 1.3Ghz Cortex-A9, 1G RAM), and HD+ specs (1.5GHz Coretex-A9 and a larger screen). Nate the greatest writes with a job posting that may indicate B&N is defecting to Windows 8, or at least hedging their bets.

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Kobo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41465941)

kobo launched their new readers when the kindle's were announced too. Too bad the press missed out, they look like great little units.

Re:Kobo (4, Informative)

Dzimas (547818) | about 2 years ago | (#41466257)

The Kobo Arc looks decent for $199. It's built on Android 4.0x, has a 1280x800 IPS display and 1.5GHz A9 processor.

Re:Kobo (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41468437)

These specs are comparable to those for Nexus 7. All other things being equal, I'd rather have a general purpose tablet that I can load ereader software on than a tablet that's primarily designed for one particular use. Also, buying from a major corp is less risky than buying from a struggling eBook retailer.

One thing that really bothers me: neither tablet has a memory card slot. My tin foil hat is buzzing.

Re:Kobo (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41468477)

USB on the GO.

SD card slots are going away because SD cards are slow. No one wants you to say their tablet is slow because it has to wait for writes to some SD card.

Re:Kobo (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41469665)

Well, you might be right about the speed issue. But I don't see USB on the GO replacing memory cards. I'm not walking around with a thumb drive dangling from my tablet. People might misunderstand!

Re:Kobo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41468975)

The customer service from Google on their Nexus is terrible. If you do buy the tablet, buy it from another vendor -- like Amazon.

Re:Kobo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41468995)

Also, buying from a major corp is less risky than buying from a struggling eBook retailer.

Kobo is now owned by Rakuten [wikipedia.org] , who are pretty huge.

Re:Kobo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466465)

Does that company have the most incompetent marketing team on the planet?

"Hey guys,I know we are not a huge name in the market, but let's announce our new product right when the major competitor does"

not hedging bets (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41465943)

You may recall [businessinsider.com] that Barnes and Noble and Microsoft are in a joint venture to do e-bookie things.

Re:not hedging bets (3, Informative)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41466431)

You may also recall they forced B&N to take the money at gun point [cnet.com]

Re:not hedging bets (2)

helix2301 (1105613) | about 2 years ago | (#41466695)

Barnes and Nobles should just stick with there apps for all platforms and forget about selling e readers there not winning the tablet war but that have chance winning the ebook war at having 25% of ebook sales.

Re:not hedging bets (1)

pod (1103) | about 2 years ago | (#41467123)

Companies do this often. HW is not B&N core competency. It will never be a premium brand, which means they will be competing in commodity space with thin commodity margins and cutthroat competition. They should concentrate on books, real and electronic, and do better and innovate there.

Re:not hedging bets (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 2 years ago | (#41470213)

"Their" and "they're." There. :)

Sticking with it (3, Insightful)

n9uxu8 (729360) | about 2 years ago | (#41465955)

Good to see them staying in the game, but my tendency is to favor the Nexus devices, and avoid any of the bookseller ecosystems.

Re:Sticking with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466083)

I have yet to be unhappy with my Nexus7, over the weekend my mysql server at work had issues, i turned on my wifi hotspot (wifi tether for root users) on my phone, connected my n7 to the hotspot, connected my n7 to the vpn (stock JB vpn), rpd to the server(2x client app), fixed the issue, no fuss no muss.

Re:Sticking with it (2)

naroom (1560139) | about 2 years ago | (#41466141)

You can get all the functionality of a Nook tablet by installing the Nook app to a Nexus 7.

I've tried it the other way around - turning a Nook tablet into an Android tablet - but it's an annoying process. Further, B&N likes to un-root your device by forcing you to update. There are ways around this, but you have to be pretty devoted to keep a Nook Tablet rooted. The Nexus 7 is cheaper and does more.

Also - why in the heck does processor speed and RAM matter on a device whose primary function is to read books?!

Re:Sticking with it (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 2 years ago | (#41466659)

You can get all the functionality of a Nook tablet by installing the Nook app to a Nexus 7.

I've tried it the other way around - turning a Nook tablet into an Android tablet - but it's an annoying process. Further, B&N likes to un-root your device by forcing you to update. There are ways around this, but you have to be pretty devoted to keep a Nook Tablet rooted. The Nexus 7 is cheaper and does more.

Also - why in the heck does processor speed and RAM matter on a device whose primary function is to read books?!

True, but the Nook HD+ has a nicer screen (1440x900 in a 7" form factor). And the 9" is 1080p+ already (1920x1280 - vs. 1920x1200 for Kindle HD). That 9" Nook has a higher screen resolution that most laptops out there (even the ones with 1920x1200)!

It's funny they're concentrating on the specs and yet ignore the screen - but then again, specs seem to matter to geeks and people who complain about the lack thereof on Apple products. Though you do need some pretty good one to drive all those pixels.

Re:Sticking with it (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 2 years ago | (#41466941)

True, but the Nook HD+ has a nicer screen (1440x900 in a 7" form factor). And the 9" is 1080p+ already (1920x1280 - vs. 1920x1200 for Kindle HD). That 9" Nook has a higher screen resolution that most laptops out there (even the ones with 1920x1200)!

I wonder how long it will be before you can root the new nook HD+...and put cyanogenmod on it? Does it have an microSD slot on it? I've become annoyed that all the newer tablets coming out seem to be lacking this....hell, I'm looking at maybe getting a slightly older Xoom ....for the stuff you can still do and connect to it....

Re:Sticking with it (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41467159)

They do have an SD card reader.

I really like the look of the new devices. They certainly stand out in a sea of black rectangles (I'm including the iPad here). I'm tempted by it (9" is cheaper than the big Fire), but I already have the Kindle Paperwight on preorder. Not sure how much ecosystem juggling I want to do.

Re:Sticking with it (2)

Rogue Haggis Landing (1230830) | about 2 years ago | (#41468125)

The microSD card is a huge plus to me. Assuming the build quality is similar to the previous generation of Nooks, the big Nook will be the first 9"+ tablet with a microSD card, bluetooth, a solid build quality, an a debut price under $300. You can get an Asus EEE Pad Slider for $299, but it sold at ~$400 before this, and the build of the Archos and Le Pan devices didn't impress me when I played with them at my local MicroCenter.

I think that this is a really big deal -- bluetooth, the expansion slot, and a solid build quality will finally mean that there's a proper netbook replacement in the budget range. The Nook Color sort of worked like this, but the bluetooth required Cyanogenmod and is pretty wonky even then, and it's only a 7" device. The Nexus is nice, but you're stuck with the 7" model and there's no microSD slot. Samsung has a $250 device with most of what I want, but it's only a 7" device and there you're effectively paying a $50 premium over the Nexus just for the microSD. So the large Nook really does feel like a big deal to me. If it takes after the Nook Color more than the Nook Tablet in terms of being easy to root and to mod then I'll buy one the day it gets released. Even if it isn't I might buy one anyway.

Re:Sticking with it (1)

ryanmc1 (682957) | about 2 years ago | (#41466813)

> The Nexus 7 is cheaper and does more.

Umm, they are the same price (the $199 version), and the Nook has expandable memory and the Nexus does not.

Re:Sticking with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466979)

unless you plan on root and rom, its 7 all the way, and even then, unless your getting a 4.1 mod on it, it not going to be anywhere as smooth as the 7.

Re:Sticking with it (1)

naroom (1560139) | about 2 years ago | (#41466995)

Umm, they are the same price (the $199 version), and the Nook has expandable memory and the Nexus does not.

Quite right! My mistake, I misread the price. Thanks for catching that.

Re:Sticking with it (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about 2 years ago | (#41466843)

Also - why in the heck does processor speed and RAM matter on a device whose primary function is to read books?!

Because if all people wanted to do on them was read a book, they would have gone with a e-reader that's cheaper and has a screen that's easier to read but not as colorful. I bet in most cases that the primary function of the tablet e-readers isn't to read books, but more traditional table functionality (surfing, games, video, etc).

Re:Sticking with it (1)

jd2112 (1535857) | about 2 years ago | (#41466905)

Some of us like to play a game of Angry Birds between books.

Re:Sticking with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466949)

" but you have to be pretty devoted to keep a Nook Tablet rooted."

not true, at least in my experience, i got one for the gf, rooted it, and she loved it, never had to touch it again until i wanted to rom it is as well, so i did that. but at no time was it ever forced back to stock. i think in the early days the original root method was undid by a system update, but even that was fixed before most of the devices i have done got bumped to 1.4.1 (i think). I have done 2 other nt's for coworkers and ask them from time to time if they are still liking it, and they all are. BTW all also hated the original software.

So ive done 3 or 4 of these things and never had one be forced back to stock. and these were all done more than 6 months ago.

The Amazon ecosystem seems pretty good (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41466457)

my tendency is to favor the Nexus devices, and avoid any of the bookseller ecosystems.

If you have a family the Amazon ecosystem is pretty compelling. Really impressive parental controls and thoughtful ways of sharing a device in a family, plus Prime and access to lots of media for free.

For books especially the Kindle is hard to beat in terms of places you can read kindle books, and they have a really nice standalone Kindle eInk reader now.

You even get a more carefully moderated app store from Amazon, which would appeal to a lot of non-technical people.

Re:The Amazon ecosystem seems pretty good (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 2 years ago | (#41466735)

Here's the breakdown:
Nexus 7 can access Amazon ecosystem content (except Prime Instant Videos), B&N ecosystem content, and Google ecosystem content
Kindles can only access Amazon ecosystem content
Nooks can only access B&N ecosystem content

It's a no-brainer...

Sideload ecosystem (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 years ago | (#41466851)

Both my Nexus 7 and a Kindle Fire owned by an elder of my church can access sideload ecosystem content, as both have a checkbox to allow installing applications from unknown sources. Is the B&N app available as an APK or exclusively through Google Play Store?

Re:The Amazon ecosystem seems pretty good (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41467255)

One compelling aspect of the Nook is that it has multi-user support. Do the others have that? (Honest question.)

Re:The Amazon ecosystem seems pretty good (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41467767)

One compelling aspect of the Nook is that it has multi-user support. Do the others have that?

The new Kindle Fire has an interesting take on that, it has backups to the Amazon cloud, and then you can switch users on device to use different stores for the apps that you have (as I understand it). You should watch the intro video.

this is a big deal for me (1)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#41469553)

We have one tablet for a family of four. I really wish they'd support something like "slide to your user icon to unlock as this user", where each user would have their own preferences for visible apps, brightness, etc.

I know they want use to get one tablet per person, but that's not going to happen. (By choice, not lack of ability.)

Netflix does the same thing--really hard to share an account between young kids and adults.

Not as clear as you make it (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41467863)

Nexus 7 can access Amazon ecosystem content (except Prime Instant Videos), B&N ecosystem content, and Google ecosystem content

If the Nexus 7 can do all that, why not the Fire - or indeed any of them?

You can side-load stuff on the Fire too...

Once you realize you can run anything on any of the devices, but you can only get stuff like Prime instant videos on the Fire, it leans more that way to me (but then I also have Prime membership).

The only thing is though the Prime video selection is kind of sparse, so I'm not sure how much of a value add it really is. Access to the Amazon App Store + Amazon user accounts / cloud backup is way more interesting and useful to most people.

Re:Not as clear as you make it (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 2 years ago | (#41470023)

"If the Nexus 7 can do all that, why not the Fire - or indeed any of them?"
Because they are not compliant with the Android CTS, and can't reliably run all Android applications. They cannot also access the Play Store (and any content available on it.)

I wasn't talking about sideloading - There are Amazon apps, available from the Play Store, that can access any Amazon content. (The only thing that needs sideloading is the app for Amazon's own app store - note that not all of the apps on Amazon's app store available for standard Android devices will run on a Kindle.)

Nexus 7 can access Amazon books and music WITHOUT SIDELOADING.
Nexus 7 can access Nook books WITHOUT SIDELOADING. (B&N doesn't really offer anything else. There is not a single B&N app that isn't available cheaper directly from the Play Store)
Nexus 7 can access all Play Store content WITHOUT SIDELOADING.
Nexus 7 can access Amazon's app store with sideloading.
The only thing the Nexus 7 can't access are Prime Instant videos, which as you said, is kind of sparse.

Technically, everything above applies equally to any Android device that passes the Android CTS, but the Nexus 7 is the most common example in this price/size class.

Kindle Fire cannot access any Nook content, period. (DRM...)
Kindle Fire cannot access any Play Store content, period. (DRM for videos, probably DRM for books, Kindle doesn't pass CTS for most apps)

Nook cannot access any Kindle content, period. (DRM...)
Nook cannot access any Play Store content, period. (DRM for videos, probably DRM for books, Kindle doesn't pass CTS for most apps)

You CANNOT run anything on any of the devices - Android devices that pass CTS are the ONLY devices that can access anything from the other ecosystems and all Android content.

Re:Not as clear as you make it (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41470201)

Ok, I see your point - but it seems like a user would be better off being able to access all Amazon content (including videos, sparse as they are) than they would Play store content. I know I'd rather buy from Amazon than from Google, making Amazons device more attractive.

Is there any media you can buy on Play and not through Amazon? It seems like Amazon would have the same range of media for purchase.

Re:Sticking with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41467107)

I'm still looking at the TF700 for when I retire my TouchPad, as I want to ditch my bluetooth keyboard, but I'm glad, too -- the more 7" devices for sale, the more likely Asus will make a 7" transformer. If they play it slim enough with the bezels, a 7" screen could fit in coat & cargo-pants pockets, and finally give me a full replacement for my aging U2010 -- and if I get an upgrade from 5.6" 1280x800 to 7" 1440x900, that's just dandy.

Re:Sticking with it (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about 2 years ago | (#41467341)

I read books on my Moto Droid X2. Yeah, its a little small, but it works for me and I'm not buying fifty different devices for tasks that are little more than variations on a theme.

Re:Sticking with it (1)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41467357)

Good choice, considering that neither the Amazon nor the BN tablets have GPS.

The Nexus 7 does, though!

Re:Sticking with it (2)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41468987)

I share your prejudice for Nexus and similar devices. But I have to point out that you can't completely avoid bookseller ecosystems. The best you can do is buy a device that lets you participate in multiple ecosystems. Nexus 7 and Kobo Arc both fit the bill; Kindle and Nook do not.

Also not all bookseller ecosystems are equal. Such an ecosystem is determined by the combination of file format and DRM. (Non-DRM support is nice to have, but 99% of the books that are available for sale are DRMed.) Amazon uses AZW, which combines the old MobiPocket format (now their property) with proprietary DRM. This is the only DRM format Kindles support, which gives amazon.com a nice monopoly on content for it.

The biggest competing ecosystem uses a combination of ePub format and Adobe DRM. This is vendor neutral: it's what most eBooks that aren't sold through Amazon use. And it's available on a lot of different devices, including Kobo's. So there's competition and alternatives, both notably lacking in the Amazon ecosystem. Unless DRM goes away completely, this is the ecosystem I most want to suceed. I'm not optimistic though: Amazon has shown itself very hard to beat in this kind of market war.

Absurdly, B&N has decided it wants an ecosystem all its own. There goes any chance I'll ever buy a Nook.

Fixed that for you (4, Insightful)

captaindomon (870655) | about 2 years ago | (#41465991)

"It's proven a busy month for mobile-device releases. Knowing Apple would be releasing the iPhone 5 to crazy acclaim from news organizations, and not wanting to be smothered, Nokia quickly shipped the Lumia 820 and 920 before they lost the lime light. The next day, Amazon, worrying over persistant rumors the Apple release could include a small form-factor iPad, quickly announced the Kindle Fire HD. Barnes & Noble, not to be outdone by Amazon, threw something out there to compete as well." It's all about marketing and timing, folks. Have you ever noticed how movie releases are carefully planned to compete for attention in the same way?

Re:Fixed that for you (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41467323)

Perhaps everyone is just launching in time for Christmas wish lists.

Or maybe they were hoping that the iPhone 5 would disappoint and leave a waste of cash burning a hole in many people's pockets for them to grab.

Could also just be coincidence.

Launching with Android 4.0... uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466091)

Where is Michael Degusta with a lengthy troll, er "insightful commentary" about how doomed Android is since a device has the audacity to go to market with an operating system that is "3 months out of date"?

Re:Launching with Android 4.0... uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466669)

Can we assume that you think launching a product with an older version of the OS, particularly when the newer one is noticeably better, is a good thing then?

Re:Launching with Android 4.0... uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41467011)

its not, but does it hurt android, no. i mean its not like people are getting a true android experience anyway, so who cares what version its "built" off of.

stick with what made you good... (3, Interesting)

Eyezen (548114) | about 2 years ago | (#41466113)

My family has a Nook glow light version and we absolutely love it. The e-ink IMHO makes a world of difference when READING BOOKS. We also like the Barnes and Noble method of purchasing and lending books. Having said that I don't know why they would want to try to complete with the other tablets already on the market where you can get the B&N app.

Re:stick with what made you good... (1)

mr1911 (1942298) | about 2 years ago | (#41466937)

e-ink is great for reading books, but for the ultimate experience you have to pick up a book!

Re:stick with what made you good... (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#41467043)

I can pick up a book. I can't pick up nine hundred of them and put them in my pocket. That's really the key advantage of e-ink readers.

Re:stick with what made you good... (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41467289)

but for the classic experience you have to pick up a book!

FTFY.

Re:stick with what made you good... (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about 2 years ago | (#41467569)

For me, eInk has the following advantages (plus more):

1. The words are always at an even angle with your eyes. I'm a bit OCD about keeping my books in pristine condition, so I tend not to open them much more than I have to to see the words, and this means that the type closer to the spine is harder for me to read.
2. eReaders weigh less than a paperback, and are thinner than the paperbacks I read (and don't get me started on hardcover).
3. eReaders now have built-in lights which work well.
4. Carry hundreds of books with you at once, and easily acquire more if you need to. I used to pack about a dozen books for long trips. I don't have to do that anymore.

However, paper books have one huge advantage: You never have to worry about a bookstore revoking access to your paper book. (Bonus advantage: No batteries!)

Re:stick with what made you good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41468753)

really? you won't open a book for fear of damaging it? It's made to be read! sigh.

another ebook advantage: you can easily have the same book in many different readers at the same time for no more cost. (depending on the licensing)
also, you can search ebooks

Re:stick with what made you good... (2)

RoverDaddy (869116) | about 2 years ago | (#41468115)

Books are great for reading, but for the ultimate experience you have to unroll a papyrus.

Papyrus is great for reading, but for the ultimate experience you have to carry a clay tablet.

Books -are- great, but they're not the be-all and end-all of carrying words and pictures around. I was just on vacation and took 4 library books and 8 to 10 of my own purchased books with me, basically for no 'physical' cost because my phone, tablet and laptop were coming along anyway. No chance I could forget any of those library books on vacation either, and have to pay for them to be replaced. And of course I could have had 500 books to choose from instead of a dozen or so just as easily.

And another advantage nobody else mentioned yet is that all my devices tracked my place in each book automatically so I could switch devices depending on what was most convenient at the time, and pick up right where I left off.

I'm really looking forward to the day when I'm carrying around my entire library, all the time. I only wish there was a way to replace all my existing paperback books (save for a few sentimental items), with digital copies for cheap (and legal of course).

B&N Store is a ghost town (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466151)

B&N Store is empty. If Nook HD suffer the same store and restrictions, nothing can be done. Sure, rooting the devices helps, but for Joe Blow, when angry birds is $5.99 from B&N store or $0.99 from Amazon or Google Play (or even an ad supported free version is available), why would you select B&N?

Re:B&N Store is a ghost town (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about 2 years ago | (#41466449)

B&N Store is empty. If Nook HD suffer the same store and restrictions, nothing can be done. Sure, rooting the devices helps, but for Joe Blow, when angry birds is $5.99 from B&N store or $0.99 from Amazon or Google Play (or even an ad supported free version is available), why would you select B&N?

Why buy expensive domestic pet food when you can get it cheaper from China^W Wal-Mart and watch Kitty and Fido keel over from liver failure?

I like low prices, too, but 6 bucks isn't going to kill me. The stuff they peddle that I REALLY don't like the price of, I simply don't buy. Like eBooks at hardbound prices.

Re:B&N Store is a ghost town (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 2 years ago | (#41466715)

Because the Angry Birds at B&N isn't the same software. Right? It's much better than the CHina^W Wal-Mart version of Angry Birds on Google Play that is going to give your pet liver failure when you play it. Right?

Re:B&N Store is a ghost town (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 2 years ago | (#41466757)

Fail analogy, since the "paid" version of Angry Birds are the same as the overpriced Nook version.

In fact they're likely to be better since they're not a hacked version for a device not compliant with the Android CTS.

Re:B&N Store is a ghost town (1)

Jethro (14165) | about 2 years ago | (#41467149)

I go to B&N every now and then, and it's always pretty damn crowded when I'm there. I don't think there are less people in there than there were 10 years ago.

Great bang for the buck (3, Interesting)

oic0 (1864384) | about 2 years ago | (#41466157)

From the tech specs and price, it seems like a solid tablet for $200. Would be the one I would reccomend. The chip is fast enough that everything should be fluid unless they did a crap job putting together their android distro. 1gb of ram is enough. Screen is big enough. Seems like a good deal. Just like their previous products which were also very underrated IMO. Most likely it will go mostly unnoticed just like their previous products did too lol.

The law of money hats (1)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | about 2 years ago | (#41466173)

Microsoft just plowed a lot of money into BN. The law of money hats virtually guarantees us a Windows 8 Nook.

Re:The law of money hats (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about 2 years ago | (#41466333)

Microsoft just plowed a lot of money into BN. The law of money hats virtually guarantees us a Windows 8 Nook.

I fear you are right. But not yet, fortunately.

There's more to it than just money (2)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about 2 years ago | (#41466463)

The money was the carrot, the huge smothering patent lawsuits were the stick. B&N wasn't given a choice in the matter, they either accepted Microsoft's money and agreed to do Windows 8 stuff with them, or Microsoft promised to keep suing them 10 patents at a time until they were out of business.

No Windows Nook, Sorry (4, Informative)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41466203)

The links are messed up, but the actual job posting is here [taleo.net] . Job description (italics mine):

  1. Define the product strategy and roadmap for Nook on Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8
  2. Collaborate with internal teams and Microsoft to define innovative products for desktop, tablets and smartphones
  3. Develop clear, detailed requirements and user stories by conducting customer and competitive research
  4. Ensure that products meet delivery schedules and budget by coordinating all of the required resources
  5. Serve as the internal and external evangelist for the Nook Windows 8 products

To me this is about Nook software on Windows, especially Windows-based mobile devices. And jeez, why would B&N want to junk theirt existing Android-based platform and start over from scratch?

Especially since its days are probably numbered. It's hard to see why anybody would buy a specialized eReader tablet when you can get a general purpose Android or Windows 8 RT tablet for about the same price and just load eReader software on it — like the software this person is being hired to develop.

The ePaper tablets might survive, provided enough people are willing to put up with their limitations in order to get something relatively cheap with very long battery life. But the specialized color tablets are mostly toast, though I guess Amazon might have the marketing muscle to keep the Kindle alive.

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about 2 years ago | (#41466357)

Yeah, for avid readers it makes sense to have a dedicated e-paper reader. I love my Kindle-keyboard I bought two years ago. I only need to recharge after reading 2-3 novels.

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41466857)

Just the thing for long flights. I almost got sent to Shanghai by my employer once — 13 hours in the air! An epaper reader would have been the first thing I bought in preparation.

Shoot the /. "editors"! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466871)

They keep getting shit wrong!

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#41467197)

It's hard to see why anybody would buy a specialized eReader tablet when you can get a general purpose Android or Windows 8 RT tablet for about the same price

Its harder to read on a general purpose device. To be honest I don't see tablets having the staying power, I need a keyboard to do work of any sort, I'd rather get a netbook. I guess for commuters they have value.

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41468079)

Why would a device be harder to read on if the screen is the same? Or are you referring to epaper reader? I already said those have their niche, but most people are buying LCD tablets.

If you want a decent keyboard, do not get a netbook. Those have keyboards to economize on space above all else. Netbooks were invented for the kind of casual use now dominated by tablets — which is why they're dieing off [pcworld.com] . If you need a portable device with a decent keyboard, get a laptop. Or if you want a really portable device that works with your favorite keyboard, get a tablet.

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about 2 years ago | (#41468447)

What? eReader tablet = epaper/eink. I have a netbook, a neat little Samsung, and the keys are perfectly usable, widely spaced, its great. I take it with me on day trips, vacations, anywhere I won't have to do heavy lifting in terms of coding. For office stuff it zips along, six hours battery life, and honestly is an all in one communicatons hub. If I need a tablet (ie for cramped commuting) I'll just use my phone.

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 2 years ago | (#41469621)

What? eReader tablet = epaper/eink

Ok, whatever works for you. A little dumb to bring that attitude to a discussion on color tablets and assume that everybody else you're talking to shares it.

Re:No Windows Nook, Sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41469779)

Maybe you have really big hands or just haven't used a netbook long enough to get used to the keyboard. For the first week or so after I bought my netbook I had trouble typing on it. After that, it was perfectly fine. (Note that if you get a BT keyboard for a tablet/phone, then it's probably also going to be small like a netbook keyboard, so small keyboards aren't going away with the death of the netbook form factor.)

Forked (0)

ISoldat53 (977164) | about 2 years ago | (#41466211)

I don't know why BN doesn't use a straight up Android OS. I have several nooks and I like them but it's frustrating that they limit the apps that will run on them by not having android support. App stores see it as android but then won't install the app.

Re:Forked (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about 2 years ago | (#41466299)

I don't know why BN doesn't use a straight up Android OS. I have several nooks and I like them but it's frustrating that they limit the apps that will run on them by not having android support. App stores see it as android but then won't install the app.

I wish they would support that as an option - at least to the point of making it more easily rootable. However, DRM apparently is a part of it, as is B&N's stated purpose that the Nook is intended primarily as a reader/media player. So I guess if you want a real table, you have to buy a "real" tablet.

Shame, though. The Nook devices have been pretty solid, one and all.

Re:Forked (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466409)

They want to sell books, not provide you with a cheap all purpose device to "abuse". And as with every ebook reader, you knew this in advance, but still bought "several" of them. Eighter accept it or install a custom Android, but stop complaining.

Re:Forked (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | about 2 years ago | (#41466685)

I would like an app to let me keep track of my library. There are some android apps out there but they don't run on BN's version. I can use a N2A card to boot up in android but it would be nice to have a library management app that integrates with the nook's library. I use the excellent app, Book Crawler, on my iPod but it's another device to carry.

Re:Forked (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470025)

That's why I won't buy another Nook or Kindle regardless of how good the hardware is - they ruin the OS.

People got full Android running on them and what do B&N and Amazon do?

Force change the OS back to their broken old version and lock it.

The official B&N web browser doesn't even work right on the official B&N web site.

The Kindle is running versions of the OS that have documented security problems that allow your credit card # to be stolen.

They take other people's open source work, cripple it and put their name on it to make money.

Nook and Kindle are malware.

MicroSD!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466245)

Finally someone got enough sense to put in expandable storage. The extra screen resolution is nice too.

Re:MicroSD!! (1)

kiriath (2670145) | about 2 years ago | (#41466429)

The NOOK tablet had a microSD slot, I believe the NOOK Color did as well.

Tons of other tablets have expandable storage (xoom for one), noticeably lacking are the iPad and the Kindle Fire.

Re:MicroSD!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466521)

I wonder if the exFAT licensing cost isn't just as off-putting as the cost of the hardware.

(Yes, just as we were seeing the end of the FAT patent farce once and for all, someone let Microsoft put their penis in the SDXC standard, for no conceivable benefit to anyone except themselves.)

amazon video app (1)

CosaNostra Pizza Inc (1299163) | about 2 years ago | (#41466289)

not to try to hi-jack this thread or anything but I'd really like to see a standalone amazon video app for Android and Apple phones/tablets. Kindle Fire seems to be the only tablet that does this. Google, Netflix, and Hulu have apps.

Re:amazon video app (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466515)

not to try to hi-jack this thread or anything but I'd really like to see a standalone amazon video app for Android and Apple phones/tablets. Kindle Fire seems to be the only tablet that does this. Google, Netflix, and Hulu have apps.

Amazon is on my ipad. Works great thanks!

Re:amazon video app (1)

tilante (2547392) | about 2 years ago | (#41466673)

Well, as recently as a couple of months ago, Amazon didn't have an iPad video app, and since this is the first I've heard of it, it seems they didn't try to advertise much that they do now. Still, happy that they do!

For anyone else who might want to actually *get* the app, its name is "Amazon Instant Video".

Re:amazon video app (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | about 2 years ago | (#41466773)

The iPad app is fairly new, and if I recall correctly, there were rumors of work on an Android version.

Amazon Instant Video is the ONLY thing that the Kindles give you access to which you can't get on a normal Android device.

If you asked me.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466393)

Well then id tell you that there is no way the barnes tablet will Match this one..... [amzn.to]

Weird pricing? (1)

rjejr (921275) | about 2 years ago | (#41466529)

So, the 7" screen and 16GB costs $299, and the 9" screen with better specs and 16GB costs $30 LESS at $269? I know smaller is better but that's weird. Though I guess once the iPad mini comes out cheaper than the base $299 iPod Touch 5 it will all make sense. I am glad they got rid of that hook/notch/hole on the 7", it just looked stupid. For those of you about to make fun of it for being advertised as 1/2" less wide than the Kindle HD 7", that 1/2" makes a difference for people with small hands, and the Kindle Fire HD looks stupid that wide. No GPS and no camera means no sale for me, but I like all the options now at the 7" size. The Tab 2 7" still seems the best option wise, but it could really use a screen and CPU upgrade. Hopefully all the competition will force Samsung's hand.

Re:Weird pricing? (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 2 years ago | (#41466891)

There is no way Ipad mini comes in under $299 when you have 4" ipod Touch starting at that price point.

Re:Weird pricing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41468901)

I guess once the iPad mini comes out cheaper than the base $299 iPod Touch 5 it will all make sense.

Are you an insider who has actual knowledge that not only is the mythical iPad mini coming out for sure, it's also going to be under $299?

No, you're not. When will people give up on this notion of an iPad mini? I thought certainly after this last product release, people would drop it. I also was SURE that once all these other tablet makers started releasing 8"+ models, everyone would think it would absolutely kill the notion of a smaller iPad.

Hate to crush the dreams of everyone still deluded into thinking there will be an iPad mini (hint: there already is - it's called an iPod Touch) but it's not going to happen. GET OVER IT! If you want one, create your own and hack iOS onto it. Just please stop talking like it's a sure thing, you all sound like idiots.

Side-by-side comparison (2)

saveferrousoxide (2566033) | about 2 years ago | (#41466743)

Here is a side-by-side comparison [huffingtonpost.com] of the Nook HD, Fire HD, and Nexus 7 (and the Fire, but who cares) on Huffington Post.

Re:Side-by-side comparison (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 2 years ago | (#41466967)

As much as I would like vanilla android, the prominent difference to me is the expandable storage.

Re:Side-by-side comparison (1)

saveferrousoxide (2566033) | about 2 years ago | (#41467091)

agreed, the expandable storage is kind of a big deal to me too

Re:Side-by-side comparison (1)

naroom (1560139) | about 2 years ago | (#41467505)

The Nexus 7 also has a GPS, which I believe the others do not.

Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466903)

Anyone ported Linux to these type tablets? With real filesystem, gcc, etc? I presume that kind of functionality isn't available in Android.

Re:Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41467009)

It is. Just search in the play store, there are plenty of such options available.

Re:Linux? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41467017)

No. Die in a fire freetard.

sex wi7h 4 DICK (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41466977)

I love my Nook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41467113)

I love my Nook tablet, it does exactly what i bought it for. Reading Books with occasional web use.
I Refuse to support amazon for a whole host of reasons. I don't want them pwning the ebook market is the biggest.

I have setup Kindle fire for customers, not impressed at all. Personally i think they suck.

Anyhow, if B&N switches to Windows 8 for the Nook, I won't buy another Nook,
Windows 8 = ME all over again.

No GPS? (2)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41467369)

No thanks. The GPS in the Nexus 7 makes it a much more useful device, for people on the go such as me.

Especially if you have the tendency to get lost while bicycling around town.... as I do :/

Great specs on the Nook HD+ (2)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about 2 years ago | (#41467963)

A 9" tablet with a 1920x1280 screen and SD card storage for $269? That's definitely worth considering... if they can get CyanogenMod running on it.

I have both the Nexus 7 and the Nook Tablet (2)

renfrow (232180) | about 2 years ago | (#41468341)

I bought the Nook the week they came out, after researching the hardware available at the time, and after seeing the screen at the store. It had, at the time, a really nice screen, and I still like the screen. However, I didn't realize that only the B&N app store was going to be available. As someone said, above, the B&N app store is a ghost town... though I must admit they do have, literally, hundreds of apps. The browser interface, to be charitable, sucks. The book app periodically freezes necessitating a hard reboot. It did not come with a calculator! To be fair, the book app IS fast, and pleasurable to read with. I've heard that you can copy and paste from some of the apps, but, none of the apps I have have copy and paste.

I wanted a tablet so that I could retire both my Sony eReader and my iPod Touch, having just one device that would fit my back pocket. The Nook sucked so much that I was not able to retire my iPod... When the Nexus 7 was announced I was a little more careful in evaluating it. With it having Android 4, and access to a large app store, I was satisfied that I'd found the replacement for the Nook. I pre-ordered it, and have been happily Nexusing since. It doesn't have quite a 'retina' display, but, very dense, and quite pleasing to use. I was able to get all the essential apps that tied me to my iPod. I bought the 16GB version, and was not irked by the lack of addon memory.

Postscript: However, it got run over last week by a car and the screen protector failed to protect it... And I discovered that all the data that I had on the device was now locked inside a brick. NEXT device I get will either have addon memory for all user data, or some kind of cloud sync for ALL user data.

there are android backup apps (1)

Chirs (87576) | about 2 years ago | (#41469671)

but I guess you didn't use any of them.

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