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GNOME 3.6 Released

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the get-it-while-it's-hot dept.

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kthreadd writes "Gnome 3.6 is out. The announcement reads: 'The GNOME Project is proud to present GNOME 3.6, the third update to the 3.x series. This latest version of GNOME 3 includes a number of new features and enhancements, as well as many bug fixes and minor improvements. Together, they represent a significant upgrade to the GNOME 3 user experience.' Andreas Nilsson, President of the GNOME Foundation, said: 'The GNOME Foundation is proud to present this latest GNOME release, and I would like to congratulate the GNOME community on its achievement.' He described the release as 'an important milestone in our mission to bring a free and open computing environment to everyone.' New applications include Clocks and Boxes. Clocks is a world time clock, which allows you to keep an eye on what the local time is around the world. Boxes allows you to connect to other machines, either virtual or remote. For developers there's the new GtkLevelBar widget in GTK+, and GtkEntry can now use Pango attributes."

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230 comments

wow (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470853)

not only is their logo a smelly foot, but they haven't fixed the usability issues from the previous versions!

too bad the 'k' in KDE stands for krap.

Don't waste your time with GNOME 3.6 (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470971)

It still sucks. Stick with MATE [mate-desktop.org] .

Re:Don't waste your time with GNOME 3.6 (5, Interesting)

lofoforabr (751004) | about 2 years ago | (#41471731)

I second that.
I abandoned Ubuntu after it incorporated Unity. My loss of productivity was too big to continue using it. I was used to a functional desktop with Gnome 2. Gnome 3 is bad enough, but Unity? There is no way in hell I'm sticking with that. Hell, it's so bad I even thought about using Windows, and that's really something for someone who's been using Linux for about 17 years.
I found out Mint, a very nice distro, based on Ubuntu, made by people like me who couldn't stand Ubuntu+Unity. 2 flavores there, one using MATE (a fork of Gnome 2), and another running Cinnamon (a fork of Gnome 3, customized to look and function like Gnome 2).
I'm really happy after the switch. I'm back to having a functional desktop. I still miss Compiz for some stuff (screen glitches and some things missing), but I can live without it. I'm not going back to Ubuntu, or "upgrading" to Gnome 3.x.
After being bashed by so many people, I really don't know what Gnome devs got on their minds. We used to have something wonderful, and they stick going in the wrong direction (IMO, of course).

Re:Don't waste your time with GNOME 3.6 (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about 2 years ago | (#41472933)

I'd have thought someone who's used Linux for seventeen years would know one can use other desktops with Ubuntu. I'm an Ubuntu user who uses it with Gnome Panel, and it's so much like Gnome 2 that I see no meaningful difference.

Re:Don't waste your time with GNOME 3.6 (2)

lofoforabr (751004) | about 2 years ago | (#41473117)

Well, I tried it without Unity, but Gnome 3 was a mess for me. I felt a huge loss in productivity. Some things were missing. For example, I use emblems (in Nautilus) to organize some documents, flagging them (mostly banking documents, flagging them as "paid", "late", and so on). Also missed Compiz, not for the bells and whistles, but for desktop switching (mouse scrolling on the desktop background), and for instant screenshots of an area. I used ctrl-shift and marked the area I wanted, and a script I wrote would scp it to a public server and show the url with zenity. It's nice to be able to send instant shots to people on IMs like this.
I still couldn't make Compiz work nicely with MATE on Mint, but I did manage a workaround for the screenshot thingie (using 'scrot'), but I lost the desktop switching (must scroll in virtual desktop applet in the panel), but it's more acceptable than Gnome 3 (at least for me).
I can say I went to the new Ubuntu with an open mind to really try to like Unity or Gnome 3, but after 2 days running, I was so pissed off I almost installed Windows. I am ok with changes, provided the changes make me work better with my computer.

Re:Don't waste your time with GNOME 3.6 (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about 2 years ago | (#41473173)

Fair enough, it's entirely possible Gnome Panel is no different for me than Gnome 2 because my workflow differs from yours. So far I've been able to route around Ubuntu's changes fairly easily, but if I couldn't then I too would be pretty frustrated.

Re:Don't waste your time with GNOME 3.6 (5, Informative)

jcarr (20735) | about 2 years ago | (#41471851)

You post should be reworded:

Attention all linux users: This is the solution you have been looking for!

I installed it 10 minutes after seeing your post. This is what you have been looking for if you want a linux workstation again. I've been using XFCE4 for a year or so. Mate worked correctly on top of ubuntu 12.04. It has the polish that Andy Hertzfeld put into nautlius. The original look and feel is back. It's really excellent. This is the bar to start from.

is the UI finally a uniform blank gray? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470893)

Left for xfce ages ago have not looked back. I hate revolutionary changes.

This is revolutionary (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470931)

The great thing of this release is that you don't even have to download it.

Just keep your machine off, and you'll experience GNOME 3.6!

After years (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470949)

using just a simple WM like fluxbox, I srsly don't get why ppl use DEs. At all.

Re:After years (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471009)

Because having an easy way to manage wireless network roaming, Bluetooth, fast-user switching, audio and system power (battery/AC) and removable media without writing scripts or integrating it all yourself is desirable.

Re:After years (3, Interesting)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about 2 years ago | (#41471049)

And good network-transparent file managers (and file dialogs). And a wallet to remember your passports. And desktop search, and integrated utilities. And app launchers more clever than xterm, and the magic that is alt-F2 with launchers. Seriously, under KDE, you can do "Alt-F2 ; =1V*1A" and it answers 1W. How cool is that ?

Re:After years (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471213)

So it doesn't understand power factor? Not so cool after all. FAIL.

Re:After years (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471107)

Oh, sorry. Didn't know you were a "newbie".

Re:After years (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471165)

Oh, sorry. I didn't realise you enjoy wasting time manually configuring such basic system services.

Re:After years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471191)

I've got applets for almost all of that in Window Maker.

Fuck, now I'm suddenly tempted to get back into X development and write a WMesque file manager. Especially with Window Maker development rumbling back to life. I'll probably be accused of ripping off OSX (fitting, since it's all NeXT anyway).

Re:After years (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#41471093)

Currently my KDE 4.9.1 is broken due to latest (4.83?) or thereabout libqt which broke by some patch from webkit or whatever.

Anyway, so I'm currently in razor-qt. And saved 300 MB or thereabout of RAM by doing so.

Also it starts within the second.

(Razor-qt + openbox so kwin won't crash.)

Re:After years (4, Insightful)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | about 2 years ago | (#41473095)

Because sometimes people cannot be bothered, wasting so much time and energy, tweaking and fiddling with things they would rather 'just worked' . I know Linux pretty well but I actually can't be bothered with trivial desktop shit - I'd rather that stuff just worked out of the box. It's not that I can't - I just can't be bothered..

It is obsolete (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470955)

I guess now that QT is GPL the whole GNOME toolkit is second choice. And even Canonical replaces Gnome by Unity.

Only die hard fans will be keen to find out which features were removed this time.

Re:It is obsolete (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471047)

For the 50th time: Unity doesn't replace GNOME, it only replaces GNOME Shell, which is a single component of GNOME 3. Unity actually uses the GNOME platform "under the hood".

I suppose you also think RPM is comparable to APT (as opposed to dpkg)?

Re:It is obsolete (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471465)

For the 50th time: Unity doesn't replace GNOME, it only replaces GNOME Shell, which is a single component of GNOME 3. Unity actually uses the GNOME platform "under the hood".

I suppose you also think RPM is comparable to APT (as opposed to dpkg)?

And goddamnit! WINE is NOT and Emulator!!!!!11!1!

Get off my damn lawn and RTFM.

newbie.

Re:It is obsolete (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472339)

So I should have left him alone because he's a "newbie"?

A newbie who is experienced enough to know what a toolkit is, yet have no clue what he's talking about?

No, I think I was justified in calling him out.

Huh? (2)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 2 years ago | (#41471149)

Unity (the Ubuntu shell, not the game engine) is based on Gtk, not Qt.

There was a Qt version, but it's no longer developed.

Does ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470963)

Does anybody still care ? Legitimate question.

Re:Does ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41470975)

Nope, not a single f**k given.

Re:Does ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472331)

Legitimate answer: Yes.

Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (4, Informative)

Picass0 (147474) | about 2 years ago | (#41470965)

Adios Gnome.

  mate-desktop.org

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (1)

Xyverz (144945) | about 2 years ago | (#41470977)

Adios Gnome.

  mate-desktop.org

Same here. Mate is awesome.

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (2)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 2 years ago | (#41471025)

They *still* can't put the close button on the left side *apart* from the minimize / maximize buttons?

Do those guys even understand the first thing about UI design??

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 2 years ago | (#41471057)

Funny.

Was going to comment on scrollbars and see.. I looked to the right and there firefox have it. With one arrow at each edge of the slider .. :D

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471069)

Easily fixed via gconf-editor.

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471085)

You mean, window-decoration theme designers?

whew, those people. anyway i use compiz with emerald, and loooove my window borders and controls :P

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471091)

Adios Gnome.

  mate-desktop.org

Oh look, another shitty GNOME 2 clone. Why do people insist on living in 2009?

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471481)

Because 2012 sucks, and badly???

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472295)

oh look, another asshole who thinks everything has to be thrown apart and be rebuilt evry-fucking-month so we feel so modern.

fuck you

Re:Switched to Mate desktop, not going back. (2)

humanrev (2606607) | about 2 years ago | (#41472683)

Why do people insist on living in 2009?

How did you get this far without knowing that newer /= better? Progress is not a guaranteed thing - newer stuff can always run the risk of being a regression if the people behind it acting like idiots.

Seems to me that almost everyone is chasing trends these days - social, cloud, touch. That's OK, it's emerging tech, but that doesn't mean the tech we're already using is worthless and should be abandoned (and that includes traditional desktop interfaces).

Happily running KDE (3, Interesting)

Tough Love (215404) | about 2 years ago | (#41470985)

Happily running KDE. Stable, pretty, highly configurable, defaults require minimal tweaking by me, just does the job. Kubuntu introduces some minor blemishes but survivable. Had to run Windows for a few days, was impressed what a poor experience it is compared to KDE. Just one of many annoying Windows habits: likes to wake up from sleep in the middle of the night and nag me about spending money on McAffey and Norton. Likes to shut down without asking instead of sleep if I make the tinyiest miss with the mouse. Like to reboot a lot. Sometimes just acts strange until rebooted. Argh.

Re:Happily running KDE (4, Insightful)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about 2 years ago | (#41471075)

Same thing when you are forced on OSX. Seriously, KDE has the best window manager bar none. How no one has gone postal on the MS and apple folks responsible for that part of their respective interfaces s a mystery to me.

Re:Happily running KDE (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41471749)

Best window manager? Come on, KDE has a rather simple window manager. The best window managers are the high power ones like enlightenment or xmonad,

Re:Happily running KDE (4, Informative)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about 2 years ago | (#41471833)

kwin is fully scriptable -- how much more power do you need than per-window/window class/app rules?. Also, it only does its job of managing windows, and the rest is taken care of by the desktop. Enlightenment is a wm+launchers+set of apps but refuses to admit it would like to be a DE like XFCE. They can't admit that because OMG BLOAT!

xmonad is a very interesting experiment, which some people find great. But these are the same people who think that the purpose of X is having more terminal windows open at the same time -- or their spiritual descendants.

Re:Happily running KDE (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471109)

Sounds like you don't know how to install/manage a Windows system. Windows 7 is markedly faster than KDE SC on my ageing Pentium (Yonah) system and has none of the problems you describe.

Re:Happily running KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471863)

Why should the user have to know how to install and manage the operating system? It's supposed to just work.

Re:Happily running KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472091)

That's rich, given that we're talking about KDE, here.

Amazing! (5, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | about 2 years ago | (#41470993)

Both users are thrilled!

(They are the two remaining developers.)

Do they have even one developer who actually owns a touchscreen device [slashdot.org] yet?

Re:Amazing! (1)

Goodyob (2445598) | about 2 years ago | (#41471021)

Maybe there'd be more users of GNOME3 once people realize they've been updating the thing to make it less broken

Re:Amazing! (3, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#41471089)

they would not have that problem if they did not release a totally broken chunk of shit in the first place

Re:Amazing! (1)

Goodyob (2445598) | about 2 years ago | (#41473005)

Touché

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41473105)

It's there own fault driving people away.

Re:Amazing! (4, Informative)

AchilleTalon (540925) | about 2 years ago | (#41471721)

I must admit there is much more innovation in this release of Gnome than in the iPhone5.

Re:Amazing! (3, Insightful)

afgam28 (48611) | about 2 years ago | (#41472095)

I'm pretty sure that Gnome Shell isn't designed to work on a touchscreen. Hot corners are useless on a touchscreen, but Gnome Shell makes use of hot corners, so it's pretty obvious that it was designed first and foremost as a mouse-based UI.

They have done a few things to ensure that touchscreens aren't broken (e.g. the big icons), but the keyboard and mouse are obviously the primary input devices.

The whole "Gnome sucks because it is a desktop environment but was designed for a touchscreen" thing is a complete strawman argument.

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472877)

It was designed for a mouse and keyboard yes, and is unusable on a touchscreen, but it takes much of its workflow from small touchscreen environments. Notably the whole " You should really only have one program on your desktop at a time, and it really should be maximized." element.

Re:Amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41473071)

I know Microsoft doesn't!

obligatory comments (5, Interesting)

binarstu (720435) | about 2 years ago | (#41471013)

I'll just get these out of the way for anyone who feels compelled to post them.

<sarcasm>
GNOME 3 is the worst desktop ever!
Actually, Unity is even worse!
This is why Linux on the desktop will never succeed!
GNOME 2 was the only decent Linux desktop!
I haven't seriously used Linux for 10 years, but I know that my Mac is 1000x better in all possible ways!
</sarcasm>

Personally, I'm looking forward to checking out the new GNOME.

Re:obligatory comments (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471083)

Personally, I'm looking forward to checking out the new GNOME.

Looks like the GNOME userbase just grew 50%!

Re:obligatory comments (1)

Sussurros (2457406) | about 2 years ago | (#41471145)

That will make it the fasting growing interface in the world.

Look out Microsoft!
Look out Apple!
The Gnome 3 steamroller is going to crush you!

Re:obligatory comments (1)

Seeteufel (1736784) | about 2 years ago | (#41472467)

I think KDE has the potential to overtake Windows. Just a matter of developer capacity to iron out the remaining bugs.

Re:obligatory comments (3, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 2 years ago | (#41471117)

"Personally, I'm looking forward to checking out the new GNOME."

I seriously have better things to do tonight than install a slightly less broken DM with better accessibility features touted as one of its two bragging points.

Re:obligatory comments (3, Informative)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472255)

Yup. I'm going to wait a bit for the themes and extensions I use to get updated for 3.6, but it's looking good so far. At this point it feels like pretty much all the functionality and options removed during the GNOME 2 -> 3 transition has been made available as an extension or exposed as an option via gnome-tweak-tool. Any favorite extensions that you can't live without? My favorites are:
- Axe menu extension (to put a nice "traditional" GNOME menu back in the top left)
- Maximus (to remove the titlebar on maximized windows) and Window Options (to make the window menu available from the panel)
- Tracker extension (to add file results to the type-ahead find search) and Journal extension (to add recent files to dock icon's right click menu)
- Calculator extension (to make the type-ahead find search perform calculations)

My current favorite theme is MediterraneanNight [gnome-look.org]

Re:obligatory comments (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472489)

Yup. I'm going to wait a bit for the themes and extensions I use to get updated for 3.6, but it's looking good so far. At this point it feels like pretty much all the functionality and options removed during the GNOME 2 -> 3 transition has been made available as an extension or exposed as an option via gnome-tweak-tool. Any favorite extensions that you can't live without? My favorites are:
- Axe menu extension (to put a nice "traditional" GNOME menu back in the top left)
- Maximus (to remove the titlebar on maximized windows) and Window Options (to make the window menu available from the panel)
- Tracker extension (to add file results to the type-ahead find search) and Journal extension (to add recent files to dock icon's right click menu)
- Calculator extension (to make the type-ahead find search perform calculations)

My current favorite theme is MediterraneanNight [gnome-look.org]

Some extensions are great. But overall, the extension landscape is pretty hostile towards users.

Installing and managing extensions could not be any more convoluted. It's absurd that GNOME developers really expect their target audience to figure out that they have to open a web browser to install extensions. Why on Earth isn't there some applet for managing extensions in System Settings? Users are even expected to open a web browser and navigated to https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ to view installed extensions. Seriously. WTF.

The extension breakage every 6 months is a joke. Why are extension developers expected to update their Javascript every 6 months? Is an API that doesn't break bi-annually really that difficult to attain?

Why can't upstream do a better job of bundling and quality control? There are a half dozen broken weather indicator extensions. Is it really that difficult for a single one of them to be maintained upstream?

Re:obligatory comments (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472513)

I generally agree and I'm hopeful they'll get things figured out better as time goes on. In the meantime, gnome-tweak-tool can be used to turn extensions on and off and install new ones.

Re:obligatory comments (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472765)

What about those of us who seriously use Linux and still think Mac is better? Keep Linux in the server room, where it belongs. Let the users use Mac.

Re:obligatory comments (2)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41473115)

maybe when I can download for free and install OSX to my Toshiba, Dell, e-machine, or any other computer produced in the last 15 years. And if i so choose replace OS component provided by the Apple that i want, like put in a different weather applet, or wifi synce. Maybe when i can for free submit my free app to be incuded in its software repositories/store, maybe when i can add another source to the repository list. or when they don't charge me to develop for their platforms. the list of thing that many Linux desktop user would require to make the jump to OSX for their primary desktop is pretty big and apple would never submit to many of them..

Re:obligatory comments (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41473165)

maybe when I can download for free and install OSX to my Toshiba, Dell, e-machine, or any other computer produced in the last 15 years. And if i so choose replace OS component provided by the Apple that i want, like put in a different weather applet, or wifi synce. Maybe when i can for free submit my free app to be included in its software repositories/store, maybe when i can add another source to the repository list. or when they don't charge me to develop for their platforms. the list of thing that many Linux desktop user would require to make the jump to OSX for their primary desktop is pretty big and apple would never submit to many of them..

Still on GNOME 2 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471081)

Still on GNOME 2 (with CentOS 6.3).

I sure hope RHEL doesn't go for this tripe for their next release. If they do, I'll finally have a good reason to switch to one of those tiling, mouse driven, low resource WMs*. Only reason I use GNOME 2 right now is because I can easily make it look like GNOME 1 did... pretty much all I need to do is get rid of the top panel and re-arrange things in the bottom panel.

Still relevant:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

* anyone have any good suggestions?

Re:Still on GNOME 2 (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#41471189)

Yup, I really wonder what RedHat is going to do.
Keep GNOME2 and maintain it? Mate? KDE? XFCE?

Re:Still on GNOME 2 (1)

Sussurros (2457406) | about 2 years ago | (#41471443)

I've been using Red Hat with KDE so long that I'd totally forgotten that they offer Gnome 2 as well. Their implementation of KDE is the best that I've used, but, the thing about KDE is that it isn't for everyone. I'd guess that Mate would be the best fit for Red Hat, at least in the short to medium term, even so, business decisions are not like personal decisions. This one could go any which way.

Openbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471119)

I switched from kde to openbox some time ago.
Although I can't quite remember why i didn't choose fluxbox.
I think it was because I wanted to try something new.

In 2014.... (1)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about 2 years ago | (#41471181)

"Daddy, what's GNOME?"

Re:In 2014.... (4, Funny)

geekymachoman (1261484) | about 2 years ago | (#41471299)

Creatures that steal underpants... for profit.

Re:In 2014.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471393)

Ah, yes. The point in every child's life when you teach them to use a search engine instead of asking stupid questions ;-)

Screw the topic, here's what I use! (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 2 years ago | (#41471195)

Obligatory post describing my preferred environment that is not GNOME 3.

Re:Screw the topic, here's what I use! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472021)

I use XFCE instead.

I have been using it for awhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471249)

I think gnome 3 is great. At first no, but when I got used to it I really fell for it. Not sure why everybody hates on it so much... It might not be a one size fits all but its great for smart people! Sorry all you dump people who can't learn something new.

(i kid)

Re:I have been using it for awhile (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472137)

so THAT'S how you made gnome3.....better.

Re:I have been using it for awhile (2)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472531)

There really is a lot of "OMG! Someone moved my food dish" going on. The move from ed to vi must have really shook them up as well. _

It comes with a clock? whoa! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41471429)

Clocks is a world time clock, which allows you to keep an eye on what the local time is around the world.

That's awesome! I never thought I'd see the day where you could get a clock on your computer.
Do I really need to switch to GNOME for this?
Surely others will port this marvel to other platforms?
I'm sure something could be figured out, perhaps using a stick in the ground?

Re:It comes with a clock? whoa! (0)

rubycodez (864176) | about 2 years ago | (#41472329)

and don't forget Boxes, a thing that lets you use other computers. You might use a browser or program in a window to use another computer, but you've been doing it all wrong.

But have they unwound the craziness? (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 2 years ago | (#41471453)

I don't see anything in this announcement that tells me they have wound back some of the bats**t crazy design retrogressions in the 3.x release. Clocks? Wow... let me just pick myself up off the floor while I recover from the excitement at this prospect. How about making it a usable D.E. like GNOME 2.3x was? I'm now happily using KDE again and will continue to do so for some time for as long as the bats**t effect doesn't infiltrate KDE or until GNOME 3.x is actually usable. And if Apple can find their way to releasing a Mac that doesn't have a built-in screen, miniscule form factor, or is overkill like the Mac Pro that costs an arm and a leg, I might even consider switching to that. But as for GNOME 3.x, it's dead to me :-)

Re:But have they unwound the craziness? (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472375)

I realize I might be falling for a troll here, but tell me what parts you consider batshit crazy and I'll tell you if I've found any extensions or options in gnome-tweak that might unbreak that for you. (Been using GNOME Shell for most of a year now)

Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

blackpaw (240313) | about 2 years ago | (#41471733)

I'm curious to give Gnome 3 a spin (not Unity). Can anyone recommend a relatively pure up to date Gnome Distro? preferably apt based?

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (2)

SiriusStarr (1196697) | about 2 years ago | (#41471947)

Fedora [fedoraproject.org] (my distro of choice) is about as bleeding edge as you'll get (and still be relatively stable). It is of course based around YUM/RPM, though. I honestly love Gnome 3 on it; it needs polishing, but I find it much more efficient for my workflow than Gnome 2/XFCE/whatever. YMMV

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

blackpaw (240313) | about 2 years ago | (#41472079)

Thanks - I'll give it a spin in a VM

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

SiriusStarr (1196697) | about 2 years ago | (#41472195)

I highly recommend you read the cheat sheet available here [gnome.org] ; it provides a good overview of the interface and all of the keyboard shortcuts. Once you get used to them, launching/switching applications, etc. is ridiculously quick.

There are also a ton of extensions available that will let you tweak the shell; they're installed/managed by pointing your web browser here [gnome.org] (kinda non-intuitive, they need to work on that).

Finally, you can configure a bunch of the typical things you'd like to be able to tweak by installing gnome-tweak-tool. Just run

yum install gnome-tweak-tool

as root.

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

stinerman (812158) | about 2 years ago | (#41472341)

Echoing SiriusStarr, make sure you install the tweak tool and get familiar with the shortcuts.

I complained like crazy when Debian Sid went to GNOME 3.0. I moved to XFCE + Compiz for awhile until I decided to give it another try. It took a few weeks to get used to, but now that I have retrained myself and gotten used to it, I wouldn't go back.

I don't think its for everyone and the fact that 3.0 was very unconfigurable is what gave everyone a heart attack. It's getting better. Some people will never like it, and that's fine. Different strokes for different folks.

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472545)

It really won't behave well unless it can use hardware 3D acceleration, so keep that in mind when choosing a hypervisor.

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472089)

Ubuntu is planning to release a GNOME "remix" called (wait for it) GNOMEbuntu in October. I'm still not sure if this will land alongside Ubuntu 12.10 or a bit afterwards, but it should be a very comfortable way to play with GNOME3 if you like apt.

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (2)

jrumney (197329) | about 2 years ago | (#41472457)

All these "remixes" are just changing the default. There is nothing stopping you from installing GNOME 3 on Ubuntu now (it is in the repositories), and selecting it before you log in (the selection is sticky by default).

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

Vulcanworlds (2628215) | about 2 years ago | (#41472175)

You should also check out openSUSE, Gnome 3 is an option. http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ [gnome.org]

Re:Gnome 3 Distro? (1)

Seeteufel (1736784) | about 2 years ago | (#41472481)

OpenSuse is the classic KDE distribution, it would be a disgrace to use GNOME, feels like the invasion of Novell again.

Could we hear from someone who has used it? (1)

hendrikboom (1001110) | about 2 years ago | (#41472051)

I'd like to hear from people who have used GNOME 3.6. Is it actually usable for sofware development?
Does it fit any kind of reasonable workflow?
Or is it just full of eye candy for the end-user?

-- hendrik

Re:Could we hear from someone who has used it? (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472451)

I haven't used 3.6 yet, but I find 3.4 to be relatively friendly for dev work, especially with a couple extensions [gnome.org] and a couple trips to gnome-tweak-tool. One of the nice parts is that it works really well without having to use a mouse very much. They adopted the OSX-style alt+` to switch between windows in a single app. Also, using type-ahead find to launch or switch to apps is nice.

Re:Could we hear from someone who has used it? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 2 years ago | (#41472805)

3.0 was pretty awful but there are people in my office that can get stuff done in 3.5. Apart from being stuck on 4 workspaces (probably a way around it) it seems to work well. The window image snapshot thing is cool as a type of fullscreen window list that pops up as required and is a different way to so it than Enlightenment did back in 1997 (snapshot images in an icon box).

Typical Douchebags out in force (1, Interesting)

tyrione (134248) | about 2 years ago | (#41472055)

When I'm not on OS X my Linux boxes are happily testing and running KDE 4.8.2 and GNOME 3.4.2 from Debian. I look forward to 3.6 and especially the day I can modify the magnetic attraction to the upper left corner that takes control of my mouse when moving menu windows and I happen to miss. I also look forward to being able to not have my applications always launch and position themselves upper left (0,0) [relative to the menu top bar] of Gnome which often has me dealing with the mouse flying up and bringing out the hidden list of application options. I cannot effin' stand KDE's little widget approach--embarrassing relative to OS X, and it's Plasma puke all over the desktop environment so I reduce it's presence to the limit allowed.

The experience for both is different but grow on you. GNOME 2.x is overtly dated and always looked like an aborted version of the old Mac OS desktop. WindowMaker reminds me of how little people understand NeXTSTEP and what Keith Ohlfs and the Graphics Team at NeXT did to make it.

When Debian gets around to KDE 4.9.x I hope it's more refined because there are many areas [System Settings for example] that are just garbage, especially the toxic multimedia settings section

Re:Typical Douchebags out in force (0, Flamebait)

rubycodez (864176) | about 2 years ago | (#41472345)

most places douchebags are referred to as GNOME 3 developers.

Re:Typical Douchebags out in force (1)

afgam28 (48611) | about 2 years ago | (#41472363)

There's an extension that lets you disable the top-left hot corner (actually there are a few).

https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/ [gnome.org]

I tried it for a while but then I found it made me slower. These days if my mouse accidentally strays into the hot corner, I just quickly flick the mouse back there again and it goes back to normal (the hot corner can be used to get out of the overview as well as to get into it).

Personal experience with both Gnome3 and KDE (4, Interesting)

rr0 (2739971) | about 2 years ago | (#41472365)

I use both on a dual head box, and appreciate them for entirely different reasons. On any given week I'll switch between the environments a few times, usually at the start of a new task. I find that the context switch is refreshing and helps productivity.

Many of us are aware of KDE's strengths.. for me, configurability, familiarity, visual appeal, stability and speed. One can make the interface visually dense and informative. Scrolling cpu/memory/network stats, rotating yawp weather reports, and various application status indicators are on my desktop.

Gnome3 removes me from this. I love the way it dynamically manages the virtual desktops, and the clean 'distraction-free' environment. I feel like I can reach 'flow' easier here. Simply hitting the 'windows' key or snapping the mouse to the top-left corner to visually see the desktops and their running applications, dragging my emacs or xterm sessions around as needed. It gives me a different and visual way to logically organize and partition the tasks at hand. Yes, KDE and Unity both support these features, too, but in my experience they're not quite as clean. Also, Gnome3's notifications system is brilliant, and I'm looking forward to the enhancements found in 3.6.

While many of the complaints of Gnome3 are valid, I do appreciate that Gnome has had the courage to try something different and controversial. It works for me.

Death March (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472385)

1,500 Accessibility Options.. ..still cannot change a font or theme without a third party application.

OK OK.. Gnome 3.6 isn't terrible. It's a decent step forward but still the slow death march to tablet obscurity whilst purging every actual user is kind of disheartening.

Re:Death March (0)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472501)

Yeah. Not having a built-in theming system totally killed OS X. GNOME should really take a lesson from ... oh wait.

Re:Death March (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41472667)

I suppose you're comparing the average Mac OS X user who is used to Apples koolaid vs a Linux user who over the years had grown accustomed to such freedoms before having the rug whisked out from under them in Gnome Shell.

Comparatively speaking, in my own opinion default Mac OS X would be vastly superior to Gnome Shells default.. and there are many alternative shell themes out there that are vastly more visually appealing.

Amazingly Gnome devs have the audacity to say that the themes put out by the community are subpar compared to the actual subparness of their own.

Again, such things may exist in Apple Land but for Linux users, this is new and unappealing.. thus eroding user base.

Re:Death March (0)

MrLizardo (264289) | about 2 years ago | (#41472831)

And it would be worth having a big argument over, except that there's a relatively friendly app that can be used to install and change themes. I actually think that's a pretty reasonable choice on their part: Keep the themes out of their basic, streamlined config tool and let power users play as they see fit.

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