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Even Windows 8 Users Prefer Windows 7

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the 7-is-prime-of-course dept.

Intel 436

judgecorp writes "Windows 8 is not proving an instant hit amongst the early adopters who have got their hands on it. More than half of them prefer Windows 7, according to a survey by a Windows 8 forum. Skeptics cited fears of price and compatibility issues. Meanwhile, Intel is busily applying damage limitation to criticism by CEO Paul Otellini. Apparently he did say Windows 8 wasn't ready — but added that it was still a good idea to get it out before the holiday season."

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Makes sense? (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about 2 years ago | (#41476367)

How does it make sense to push a buggy product out the door before it's ready? It only makes sense if you want the product to tank.

Re:Makes sense? (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about 2 years ago | (#41476407)

Simple: Xmas is only 3 months away.

Re:Makes sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476653)

exactly...everyone is thinking "money money money moneyyyyyyyyy" while ripping customers off with broke crap.

Re:Makes sense? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476895)

Show the family you care.
Give the gift of vendor friendly technology.

Re:Makes sense? (3, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 2 years ago | (#41477241)

Breadboard, a soldering iron, and a bag of transistors?

Re:Makes sense? (5, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 2 years ago | (#41476447)

it's _not_ buggy.

it's the feature set which isn't ready.

Re:Makes sense? (5, Funny)

itsdapead (734413) | about 2 years ago | (#41476853)

it's _not_ buggy.

it's the feature set which isn't ready.

Does that mean that they haven't finished documenting the bugs to turn them into features?

marketing spin... (5, Funny)

schlachter (862210) | about 2 years ago | (#41477225)

This new ver of Windows introduces many new features. So many, in fact, that we're still finding and counting them.

Re:Makes sense? (5, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | about 2 years ago | (#41477091)

it's _not_ buggy.

Then it's the first OS ever released by anyone that wasn't.

Re:Makes sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477095)

There are no bugs, only undocumented features!

Re:Makes sense? (2)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about 2 years ago | (#41476475)

*Every* product is buggy. Just one of those little trials life throws our way to help us grow.

Re:Makes sense? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476913)

Not true, though it is imposable to prove a piece of code has no bugs there it is possible to verify that a subset of bugs do not exist within the code.
And you can verify that the code will do what it is supposed to do. Though Microsoft's waterfall development cycle isn't exactly the best system for producing reliable code. Though it is one of the better cycle to guarantee that the code gets out the door on time.
I think what has CEO Paul Otellini worried is the first quarter sales more than the actual product being ready. This is a short term foresight, as releasing a buggy product when there is a better product already out has traditionally stifled overall sales, even though it will boost quarterly sales. I thought his goal was to resurrect the Microsoft empire not worsen it. If i were Bill Gates I'd sell my shares and get out while Microsoft stock is still worth something, otherwise the Microsoft foundation will fall with the Microsoft company.

-In general it's best to not have your users to want something other than what you are producing. When will Microsoft get this?-

Re:Makes sense? (5, Funny)

AntEater (16627) | about 2 years ago | (#41477023)

*Every* product is buggy.

You, obviously, haven't installed Slackware.

Re:Makes sense? (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | about 2 years ago | (#41477043)

mod parent up. +1 perfection

Re:Makes sense? (2)

jitterman (987991) | about 2 years ago | (#41477073)

Likely it is true that there are few if any pieces of software that are 100% perfect, but there is a huge difference in *knowing* that you are going to put out a product that *IS* defective, and when you know what those defects are, and putting out a product that you have tried your best to suss out entirely and in good faith believe is going to work for your customers. While both groups may be perfectly willing to support the product, the second respects their customer base and the long-term relationship they hope to build; the former wants your money today, and just prays that it'll be too much of a hassle to switch to another product once they've got you.

TL;DR --> Some companies don't give a fuck, some do.

Re:Makes sense? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476523)

Because recently Microsoft has realized that they can make money of, what should actually be, a beta test. Vista was a disaster but Microsoft essentially managed to sell some of the public a beta copy of Windows 7 and then go on to sell them Windows 7 too.

Re:Makes sense? (2)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 2 years ago | (#41476657)

Because no mater what ALM you use decisions to publish are always in the hands of someone who knows F*** all about anything and is receiving advice from the wrong people who are all scared of him!!!

BTW it's pretty much impossible to release a piece of software that has no bugs

Re:Makes sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476863)

I can't actually understand the first part of your post, but the second part is completely incorrect. First you assume that all software has bugs, therefore it is not Microsoft's fault that Win8 has bugs. This is false (I invite you to examine SEL4 and TeX for large, complicated examples renowned for their codebases). Second, you assume that this means it was not possible for Win8 to be satisfactory. Bullshit. Win7 was satisfactory, WinXP was satisfactory, and each of those had their fair share of bugs. Win8 has simply been judged by consumers as worse than Win7. Just because Win7 was not perfect does not excuse Win8.

Re:Makes sense? (5, Insightful)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#41477051)

Windows 8 isn't so much buggy (at least not on microsofts end), it's just badly designed. Those are two different problems. Deliberately choosing something to behave stupidly isn't a bug.

Also, both of your examples (SEL4 and TeX) have no relationship to a full product. One is a single piece of the product that, as an isolated microkernel might be bug free, but is not a full OS, and the other is a typsetting specification. The core kernel in Windows 8 could be bug free or close thereto (I'll show some sympathy for compatibility with new hardware, but it would still be a bug).

Windows 8 is badly designed. There will inevitably be some bugs related to the new UI, UEFI, new hardware, etc. But those are easily at the level of satisfactory. The problem is that it's just hugely inconsistent in how it behaves. It still runs 7 or 8 year old directx 8 code fine. But it can't figure out if it's 'metro' or a desktop, which one it should be in when, or how to just produce a list of installed software that I can semi easily navigate. No, metro is not easy to navigate, it tries, and it makes sense for 'apps' but it fails for serious software that has both applications and documentation.

Re:Makes sense? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477099)

Microsoft's new slogan:

"Deliberately choosing something to behave stupidly isn't a bug."

Re:Makes sense? (1)

Life2Death (801594) | about 2 years ago | (#41477163)

Oh no there are clear bugs along with a truckload of poor choices. My favorite is mouse scrolling in metro is horribly jerky and laggy but the scroll bar is butter smooth and I'm sure so is touch - the only thing I bet they tested...

Re:Makes sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476681)

No. It makes plenty of financial sense and always has. Microsoft has never released a finished product.

Re:Makes sense? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476749)

What are you, new to computers?

Welcome to version X.0 software.

Re:Makes sense? (1, Interesting)

csumpi (2258986) | about 2 years ago | (#41476885)

Maybe it's the new trend. Worked for other [apple.com] companies. [apple.com]

Re:Makes sense? (0)

Reber Is Reber (1434683) | about 2 years ago | (#41476985)

I think Apple has proven the contrary....

Re:Makes sense? (1)

mahiskali (1410019) | about 2 years ago | (#41477167)

Because unofficial public betas are a great way to evaluate, test, and fix your product. See Siri and iOS maps.

And the other half... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476369)

Tried to figure out where the "I prefer Windows 7" button moved to and gave up.

Re:And the other half... (4, Funny)

Wowsers (1151731) | about 2 years ago | (#41476483)

Tried to figure out where the "I prefer Windows 7" button moved to and gave up.

That's because you're supposed to be looking for a tile not button!

Re:And the other half... (2)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 2 years ago | (#41477269)

See? It's so confusing and all! Rawwwrrrrrrr!!! *slaps mouse on table in frustration*

Re:And the other half... (5, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about 2 years ago | (#41476541)

You have to click the top of the desktop three inches from the left corner. The tutorial *explained* that to you!

Re:And the other half... (2)

BenJeremy (181303) | about 2 years ago | (#41476903)

Yup, it's all explained there... you use Windows+®+Right-ALT to get the button to appear.

It really couldn't be any simpler with Windows 8!

Failing the keyboard command, you could to a swirly-Q gesture, followed by a triple tap and rapid swipe between each corner. Easy Peasy.

Re:And the other half... (4, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 2 years ago | (#41477213)

Windows 8: Emacs edition

Re:And the other half... (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about 2 years ago | (#41477227)

OH!
I thought I used a magnet on the HDD and my Windows 7 installer.

Ouch (5, Funny)

Biff98 (633281) | about 2 years ago | (#41476381)

Not what Micros~1 needed. Then again they've always had big problems with adoption. A dollar's worth of free advice -- Stick to Xbox, mobile, and your business segments.

Re:Ouch (1)

galaxar (2740559) | about 2 years ago | (#41476849)

Micros~1. Wow, I haven't seen that abbreviation in a LONG TIME. Thank you for bringing a smile to my face. :)

lol windows 8 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476395)

ya'll niggas r ghey

I agree (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476405)

I'm one of the people that will use Windows 7 for the future in my office and in my house....

Will give a try in the pad field but with both fingers crossed...

Re:I agree (1)

Seeteufel (1736784) | about 2 years ago | (#41476727)

Wonder when Reactos [reactos.org] will be ready for a switch from Win7. Win7 and Win8 are nice but you don't get the source code. I have a vision of Putin in front of a Notebook programming the next operating system. I guess his programming skills are better than Steve Ballmer's.

Even Windows 8 users (0)

aglider (2435074) | about 2 years ago | (#41476423)

prefer non-Microsoft operating systems!
Easy joke ... well, it's not a joke at all! It's reality!

Re:Even Windows 8 users (2)

jdmuskrat (1463759) | about 2 years ago | (#41477247)

installed win8 the other day. thought i had installed Ubuntu with Unity by mistake. Unity is much more polished and user friendly than win8. the upside is win8 is a little more responsive than win7.

Win+X (5, Interesting)

drfishy (634081) | about 2 years ago | (#41476443)

Don't hate me - but I like Win8. Takes some getting used to but there are a lot of nice power features. Just the fancy new keyboard shortcut Win+X alone will get you a long way toward adjusting.

Re:Win+X (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476525)

well, while the new shortcuts are nice, and i dont know exactly what it does in 8, it did exist in 7

Re:Win+X (2)

Wolfraider (1065360) | about 2 years ago | (#41476799)

I also run Win8 at home. Just like I used the quick launch in XP and pinned all my apps to the taskbar in Win7, I have pinned all my apps in Win8 to the tasbar and stay in desktop view. I don't care for the simpler color scheme. It looks like windows is taking a step back to Win 3.1. Overall Win8 is not bad. I agree that it is buggy but I blame most of that on NVidia. Tried their new Win8 drivers for my video card and they would crash all the time. Reverted back to the Win7 drivers and the crashing has stopped.

Re:Win+X (1)

b_dover (773956) | about 2 years ago | (#41476979)

Hitting the Windows key alone will toggle Metro and Desktop views.

Re:Win+X (0, Troll)

bobcat7677 (561727) | about 2 years ago | (#41477009)

I don't hate you. Some retired and disabled people are a good fit for Windows 8.

I'm sure most of the people in your assisted living home appreciate the new features. I mean what's not to like about providing easy access to the features the users need with very large icons so you can see them even with your cataracts while hiding everything you might do damage with.

Alternating (5, Funny)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about 2 years ago | (#41476465)

Isn't it pretty much established that, like Star Trek movies, only every other version of Windows is any good?

Re:Alternating (0)

i kan reed (749298) | about 2 years ago | (#41476611)

FYI: that rule doesn't even remotely work with any of the TNG movies which are all awful.

Re:Alternating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476783)

Also 11 was pretty good... Think it had more to do with who directed and wrote them... And I must be the only person on the planet that liked the first one. Oh sure it needed to loose about an hour. But it was no worse than any of the episodes.

Re:Alternating (2)

Teresita (982888) | about 2 years ago | (#41476893)

First Contact was serviceable.

Re:Alternating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476959)

Uh. Was it? Spherical Borg cubes. Singular queen of the hive mind. Advanced warp technology invented in the woods of post-apocalypse Montana. I do realize this is Star Trek, but my Suspension of Disbelief fuse popped all the way out of the theater.

Re:Alternating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476909)

In translation, that would imply that all Windows Mobile operating systems are terrible.

Hmmm...

Re:Alternating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476931)

I don't think that holds true. Star trek 2 was good, First Contact was good, the rest pretty much suck. Nemesis is....almost....okay. The new one is decent.

Re:Alternating (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about 2 years ago | (#41477259)

I think the COD games would be a better example.
Skip every other once, since those would be made by Treyarch.

This Poll is Dumb (5, Interesting)

mr.nobody (113509) | about 2 years ago | (#41476499)

So new users before the old, safe choice they're familiar with instead of something radically new and different. How does this surprise anyone?

Look, I had the same inclination when I switched from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. I was one of those early adopters who bought it launch day and ran home and installed it. I, and many others, had the same feelings when the Ribbon debuted for MS Office. And yes, I thought the same thing trying out Windows 8. There is always that moment of "panic" when you realize you don't know where things are anymore like you did with the previous version.

But, each time, if you stick with it for a bit, you get familiar with new interface. You pick it up just as you did with the old one--and you even start to realize the advantages of the new layout versus the old. Sorry, Slashdot, but this is FUD and you're guilty of spreading it.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (4, Interesting)

RazzleFrog (537054) | about 2 years ago | (#41476563)

I just see no point in upgrading to Windows 8. Windows 7 has been the best OS I've used in the last 20 years - and I've tried almost everything.

I agree with you on the Office ribbon thing - we went through the same thing here - but the thing is there was enough plus sides to upgrading to offset it. What exactly is the plus side of Windows 8?

Re:This Poll is Dumb (1)

Targon (17348) | about 2 years ago | (#41476923)

There are a number of things in Windows 8 that look like they WILL be a big improvement, but it will take some time to get used to the changes. If you think about it, we have had "explorer" since 1995, so for most people, a "start" button is very natural and anything different would take time to get used to. With that said, many people are really resisting the change in the UI, to the point where they are looking for excuses to NOT make the switch. Yes, Windows 7 is the best version of Windows to date, and we CAN expect a number of annoying issues with Windows 8 due to the number of changes to "how you use the computer". I suspect we will see most of those issues fixed with service pack 1. The problem is that the longer you avoid the upgrade to Windows 8, the more difficult it will be to adapt and accept the changes.

There really is an almost instinctive fear in humans of change. Moving is considered a traumatic experience...for those who have not moved very often. New jobs involve change, etc. So, embrace change, and adapt. Those who can not adapt will eventually die as others who can adapt will move forward more quickly. It is all just a part of being human.

You can wait, but I STRONGLY suggest doing a multi-boot at least so you can get used to the changes in Windows 8, because it will only continue to evolve, and hanging back will only cause YOU more grief in the long run. Again, expect issues, but the original Windows 95 wasn't perfect either.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (3, Insightful)

dimeglio (456244) | about 2 years ago | (#41476987)

Hanging back might, on the contrary, send a message to Microsoft to fix things up and release an OS people actually want to use.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477243)

Could you please list ONE big improvement?

You wrote lots of words, but no examples.

Well this time there's merit to it (5, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 2 years ago | (#41476703)

I find 8's new Metro UI to be genuinely worse for desktops. I gave it a chance, just like I did 7's new taskbar, but it has failed to win me over. It is not a good way for working with a desktop. My desktop is not a tablet, I do not use a touch screen. So a start menu replacer (Start 8 is my choice) gets installed.

Also I'm sorry but it is ugly. It is a step back looks wise. 7 looks pretty slick. All the desktop composition is put to good use making it look nifty. In 8, it is just ugly. The desktop composition is still there underneath, and is in fact even improved, but it is used to render a very ugly UI. Worse still, the UI changes make it more difficult to navigate, it is hard to tell if something is a window for a separate program, or just a window under the current one. They all look the same.

It's sad because technically, 8 is quite competent. It is very fast. Cakewalk found basically across the board improvements in Sonar (http://blog.cakewalk.com/windows-8-a-benchmark-for-music-production-applications/) and this is just their release software, not a special 8 build. So it looks like under the hood, 8 is a good OS. However its UI is truly a step back and the UI is the first thing most people notice.

It isn't a horrible OS, but it is worse than it should be, all on account of them wanting to try and use their desktop and server OS to push tablet sales.

Re:Well this time there's merit to it (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476861)

This could have been copy and pasted from a discussion about Unity

Re:Well this time there's merit to it (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477031)

If you don't like the new UI it's still faster typing the first 3 letters of the app you want than it is digging through a start menu. Or you can just switch to the desktop and use icons there.

There really isn't a single thing better about the old start menu over the new setup besides you and everyone else doesn't want to take five minutes to figure out how to use it properly.

I have moved all the BS I don't like to the right and have my most used programs on the left of the UI.

The only thing that bugs me is I'm used to hitting the winkey to have the hidden task bar appear so I can check the time but now it brings up the new UI.

Task Manager is vastly improved. Just for that reason only I don't want to go back to W7. Explorer too. The copy window actually shows you whats going on. No more 3rd party apps needed anymore. It's all the little things that you will never see if you stop using it after looking at the new UI for 2 minutes.

Re:So Vista haters were just whiners too (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 2 years ago | (#41476889)

Bah Vista is fine. Just people hate change for no apparent reason as there are tons of reasons to love Vista on the netbook with only 1 gig of ram right? They need to learn to put up with it and then they will see the light.

I mean how can their be a negative product ever! Just blame the user for hating the familiar.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (2)

dimeglio (456244) | about 2 years ago | (#41476953)

Maybe it's the schizophrenic nature of Windows 8 which is problematic. This is something Windows never had before. Having two UIs can be rather confusing and you do need to learn both ways of performing simple tasks like printing, saving or opening a document.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (1)

virgnarus (1949790) | about 2 years ago | (#41476981)

It doesn't help the OS when the default design of it looks like I just turned on all the Accessibility options.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (1)

jittles (1613415) | about 2 years ago | (#41477093)

I wasn't planning on upgrading to Windows 8. I have plenty of Windows 7 licenses (though maybe I should get one more just in case? Before they stop selling 7?) Anyway. I played around with some of the public trials and didn't like it much. Could you please let me know what you think the advantages are? I'm intrigued. When I first tried 7, I was instantly satisfied with the way the taskbar worked, etc. I was instantly sad that I was stuck on XP at work. I had the exact opposite feeling with 8. So what do you like about it?

Re:This Poll is Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477127)

Keeping in mind that anecdote is not the singular of data, I had a similar-but-opposite experience. I dealt with the ribbon by switching to Open(nowadays Libre)Office and not looking back.
I will similarly deal with Windows 8 by staying with Windows 7. I think Valve porting Steam to Linux will create the conditions needed for me to leave the Borg collective for good, before long.

Re:This Poll is Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477143)

The ribbon still sucks. Not only does the user have to find what the "new" nomenclature is for the group of icons, they also have to actually find the icon after that.

Slow and obfuscated vs. menus for the power user who throughly learned the menus. Give me back my menus, I tend to think--so it's just my opinion--that the ribbon made it easier for localization at the expense of introducing yet another learning curve. Starting with Windows 7 already, even Paint and Wordpad had stupid ribbons.

As for the new UI, well, I know that just with Windows Phone that having many live tiles means scrolling and scrolling and scrolling to get to the right one, now add that Windows 8 will use a slower horizontal scrolling vs. a Windows Phone vertical scrolling. (Yes, someone figured out when doing speed tests for memorized multiplication tables that doing the problems vertically in columns was faster than horizontally in rows, so the same applies to scrolling.)

I'll pass on Windows 8 altogether, thanks.

Apple announcement on October 31 (0, Offtopic)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 2 years ago | (#41476503)

Apple announces a new version of the MacBook. The new MacBook has an IvyBridge i3, light weight plastic shell, and 13 inch scree all for $599. With a choice between WIndows 8 and an inexpensive MacBook MacBooks fly off the shelves.

Apart of easy jokes (1)

aglider (2435074) | about 2 years ago | (#41476521)

Microsoft has proved to be able to deliver high quality software products.
Namely, the Office suite (especially Excel), the flight simulator and I think a few more.
When the operating system evolution went past the plain old command line (aka DOS), then Microsoft has been successful only as long as it's been novelty.
Apple did it far better as far as the UI is concerned.
*BSD and Linux-based OSes are much better in the overall operation.
So, Mr. Soft, get back to where you once belonged!

Windows 7 Will Be Around for A While (5, Insightful)

andy16666 (1592393) | about 2 years ago | (#41476565)

Something tells me that Windows 7 is here to stay, at least for the next decade or so. I can't see a lot of people switching any time soon.

It's not that bad (1)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 2 years ago | (#41476573)

It just needs to get rid of the Metr... I mean Modern interface if you don't have a touch sensitive screen or at least give us the option of using a traditional menu interface. Just give us a revert to desktop & start menu and I'll be happy. On the other hand they've also trimmed quite a bit of fat and at some things it's a shed load faster.

/2penceworth

buggy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476577)

The product buggy was cited in fears of incompatable and user confusing. We wondered if Microsoft was to go over survey and compatable issue, with metro confusing and fullscreening. User did not want learning of new, but always to be changed according. Sales forced to laptop, to notebook, because of no self building, called "window tax".

Re:buggy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476685)

Sorry,meant, to be put against user preference. Windows always make for much worse usage, but wht to make for? No one know about it.

Ah - smart talk (1)

no-body (127863) | about 2 years ago | (#41476615)

I am using W8 prerelease in a work environment and it beats W7 on many aspects (I have a choice to work under XP/W7/W8 - daily system reloads for testing purpose) - speed for one. Search feature appears better but still cumbersome.
There are some quirks - closing/starting individual programs in multiple instances, the silly desktop interface. Guess it will be ironed out in final.

It appears to be basically a W7 with some improvements.
From what I read it will sell for $ 60 or so.
Definitely worth (IMO) getting it after Vista and W7 failures.

Windows and the Star Trek movie principle (-1, Redundant)

crazyjj (2598719) | about 2 years ago | (#41476639)

Always skip every other iteration.

Let the SlashFUD Continue (5)

Toreo asesino (951231) | about 2 years ago | (#41476665)

There's plenty of people on Win8 already. It does work, it is different (faster for one), people don't like change, and Windows has changed of course. If you don't like the metro UI don't use it. Where's the news here?

Re:Let the SlashFUD Continue (1)

Seeteufel (1736784) | about 2 years ago | (#41476761)

The news may be that Windows 8 is not open source this time.

Honestly (1)

mahiskali (1410019) | about 2 years ago | (#41476677)

I've been using Windows 8 since it was released on MSDN/TechNet on three computers (two desktop machines and an ultrabook). I'm getting used to it, and actually starting to like the interface.

My biggest gripes:
- driver/software support for my Samsung Series 9 for Windows 8 is currently non-existant (all h/w installed fine, touchpad is a bit flaky though) - driver support from Creative for my SB XFi is pretty pathetic, and buggy

Otherwise, it seems to run smoother and overall feels more polished. Yes, I know this is /. and I'm speaking positively about Windows 8--so I clearly must be a paid Microsoft shill or out of my mind. Honestly however, I think a lot of people are making noise and whining about a product just to say "hey look at me!" more than anything. Of course, I'm speaking entirely from a consumer standpoint. I can see some of the UI changes (notably the removal of the start menu) to be a problem for enterprise users. I can't speak to the changes/improvements/etc. for enterprise management and such (re: 'portable windows' on USB?)

Re:Honestly (2)

Targon (17348) | about 2 years ago | (#41476989)

What, Creative Labs can't release a decent driver for a new version of Windows? There is NOTHING new there since they couldn't come up with a decent driver for Windows XP for the SB Live cards, and actually drove me and many others away. Creative has NEVER been good about drivers.

Re:Honestly (1)

mahiskali (1410019) | about 2 years ago | (#41477147)

Which is really sad, because (when the drivers worked properly) the cards I've had from them in the past were great. The X-Fi on Windows 7 really was good, and did give a noticable improvement over the on-board audio on my mobo. But you are quite right: they are certainly driving me away and I'm fairly sure I will not even bother putting the X-Fi back in my computer now.

Although I suppose one (good?) thing Creative did was show me what the new (friendlier!) blue screen in Windows 8 looks like: http://i.imgur.com/lk57d.png [imgur.com]

I would still roll back to WindowsXP. (1, Insightful)

gapagos (1264716) | about 2 years ago | (#41476683)

Unless I have a machine with 8gb of usable ram (and unless I do professional video editing or photo editing), for basic home and school work, I would still roll back to WindowsXP.
I have been using XP since its first release, went through 3 different machine upgrade cycles, and I still find WindowsXP to be the simplest, easiest OS to use.
(Don't get me stared on Ubuntu, which as of the latest release, won't even work with my video card without special boot parameters altering how it loads video memory)

Re:I would still roll back to WindowsXP. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476759)

> which as of the latest release, won't even work with my video card without special boot parameters altering how it loads video memory

this. Same boat here, but even in NOMODESET and Unity by default, I prefer that to Windows 7, let alone Windows 8.... So, yeah MS is in a bad place.

It's DOG upside down (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476713)

Did you know that spells God?

Son of Sam is back, and he knows dog AND god personally and he says Windows 8 is good for you and the country so get it and enjoy!

Been running it for 4 hours now. (1)

richy freeway (623503) | about 2 years ago | (#41476817)

Can't say I miss the start menu at all, haven't really noticed Metro being in the way or even there. Got 3 monitors, pinned my apps to the task bar, productivity is exactly the same as when I was on Win7 yesterday.

Time will tell I guess, but so far so good. I have no choice in running it as I own a computer shop and the general public are going to start coming in with problems at some point and I need to know how it all works!

I'll be leaving my home machines on Win7 for the foreseeable future. Kids n girlfriend don't need the change.

Funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476821)

I switched from Win 7 to Win 8 and love Win 8.

Sure, when I reboot, I have to hit Windows-D or click the Desktop panel...big deal.

the performance benefits, so far, have far outweighed any minor inconvenience the interface changes have had on me.

and windows 7 users (1)

FudRucker (866063) | about 2 years ago | (#41476847)

prefer WinXP, and WinXP users prefer Win9x, and Win9x users prefer Win3.1, and everybody prefers windows would just get it right someday. (hint: they never will)

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This is news? (1)

mtrip (2684377) | about 2 years ago | (#41476855)

Didn't most Vista users prefer XP? This is SOP for MS.

Curious (1)

AmeerCB (1222468) | about 2 years ago | (#41476879)

Am I the only one who can't wait to give Win8 a shot just to see what all the screaming is about? I haven't touched the interface at all and only know what I've seen in pictures, but usually something as polarizing as metro ends up being awesome in the long run or it gets completely ditched. I'm excited to decide which one I think it is....

Re:Curious (2)

Karzz1 (306015) | about 2 years ago | (#41477111)

So.. give it a shot. [microsoft.com]

Good news for Surface!? (2)

Simon Brooke (45012) | about 2 years ago | (#41476899)

From the article:

There was some good news for Microsoft from the survey though, as the Windows 8-based Microsoft Surface was more popular than Android tablets and the iPad. Around 35 percent of respondents said the Surface would be their tablet of choice.

Right. Around 35% of Microsoft fanbois on a Microsoft fanboi site would prefer Surface to Android of I pad, and that's good news for Microsoft? If they can't get more than 35% of their own fanbois on board, it's dead.

And this is surprising because...?? (2)

zarmanto (884704) | about 2 years ago | (#41476929)

The notion that many or even most users of a new and largely untested (insert any-fracking-thing here) would prefer the one they were using and were comfortable with previously over this new and unfamiliar experience, is nothing short of blatantly obvious. Likewise, the notion that any new complex system is going to be completely perfect on day-one of release is utterly ludicrous. Crud... I'm a Mac user, and I'm not in the slightest surprised to hear that W8 users might want to go back to W7, any more then I would be surprised when any given Windows user who has migrated to a Mac expresses certain regrets over that move, now and then. Growing pains always suck... and in the case of W8, there's not really any seasoned users around, who might be able to help navigate through this new territory.

The real test of W8 will be to conduct the same type of survey a year or two from now, to see if switchers who have been using it for awhile still want to go back. Vista very (in)famously failed that test, which is what kept XP around for so long... but trying to conduct such a test now, on W8 early adopters is basically the same thing as testing to see if water is still wet.

It's a paradox: good products sell less (2)

concealment (2447304) | about 2 years ago | (#41476939)

This is the same paradox Microsoft struggled with on Windows XP: if you make a really good product, people will buy it once and buy nothing else.

If you wonder why Microsoft makes its money selling Windows with new PCs, this is why. Buying a new PC is the only time most of us buy an operating system.

Look for them to go to a subscription model soon, with different UIs being options on a constantly-refined code base. It's about the only way to make money outside of new PC OS sales.

I imagine this is the same reason that every car manufacturer hasn't re-tooled and started making those old VW bugs. A car that runs forever is a bad product.

NO WAY!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41476957)

I am TOTALLY shocked about this (Extreme sarcasm)

All they had to do... (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about 2 years ago | (#41477063)

Was keep the old Windows 7 desktop and make switching to Metro seamless. OS X can gracefully switch to full screen apps. Why can't Windows 8 just gracefully slide in a Metro app into full screen mode?

I'll tell you why. Because Microsoft is like a jack booted thug who sees Steve Jobs compelling people to accept a new UI and completely misses the Steve Jobs-era quality control and salesmanship for the authority he has in the eyes of the customer. Therefore they think "if Steve Jobs can make them like it, anyone with some type of authority can compel change."

News flash, Microsoft. Metro will fail on the desktop until you realize that Metro can only work on the desktop app as a part of the desktop that takes over the whole screen.

Gee, maybe if they had listened to their users... (5, Insightful)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about 2 years ago | (#41477081)

And just extended the Windows 7 shell so it had a "Tablet" mode with some sort of auto-detection, they might have kept the desktop people happy AND the tablet crowd happy - just like the actual users suggested on the Windows forums, again and again and again....

Microsoft, missing the obvious since the 80s.

Next up? Microsoft ignores 3d printing until Linux dominates the field!

Low resolution (4, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#41477121)

Just yesterday I installed the final version of Windows 8 from DreamSpark to a netbook just for fun. The result? It actually ran smooth, but none of the Metro apps could be run due to the 1024x600 resolution. Not a big loss, but I was slightly surprised that they actually completely skipped us netbook-connoisseurs.

As a sidenote, it was funny how in W8 many of the texts have been changed to a casual, "user-friendly" style. "While we set up your stuff, please enjoy a pizza. Meanwhile we'll send some info to Microsoft, but you can change this later."

No Shit, Sherlock (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about 2 years ago | (#41477129)

Filed under "thank you, captain Obvious."

For good reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41477185)

I needed less than a day with W8 to know I hated it. It sucks. I don't have a touchscreen and have no intention of getting one. Most geeks, while applauding a touchscreen, have absolutely no intention of ever using one.

It's Windows 7, with a bad UI. That brings it back to Vista suckiness.

If Windows 8 is a dud, WP8 will suffer too (1)

phonewebcam (446772) | about 2 years ago | (#41477219)

Making UI uniform across all devices is a risky strategy. If consumers, familiar with Windows 7 & XP, hate Windows 8, how are they going to be sold Microsoft's new phone on the strength "it's the same as our new PC desktop" ?

Touch Screen (2)

Larry_Dillon (20347) | about 2 years ago | (#41477231)

Most of what I see in Windows 8 is a touch screen-centric interface. If you have a tradition desktop with a keyboard and mouse, it looks like a Pre-School, Fisher-Price interface.

Microsoft sees tablets and touch-screen devices as being the way of the future and desktop PC not shipping the their previous volumes. This may be true, but dumbing down the PC even more to accommodate touch-screens is not the way forward.

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