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Rewriting The Past With Zelda

Hemos posted more than 13 years ago | from the awesome-approach dept.

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The Hegemon writes: "Someone hacked the rom for the original Zelda on NES. He created an entirely new game called Zelda Outlands or ZeldaC. You can see it at this site. I am sure most of us remember how great the original was. I think it would be interesting to play it over in an entirely different way." Now I need to download and play with this, but projects like this are tres cool, I think. Taking a legacy piece of technology and creating something new with it, in a framework that's familar to people.

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Re:I always enjoyed my magical sword (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#299441)

2. tres? Three? What does 'tres' mean? it's not in the dictionary, even as a slang word. Don't use slang which the /. community (your audience) won't understand.

Just a spelling mistake. He meant très. Go to school, grammar nazi.

If the SlashDuh editors were reduced to using words their readers understood, the only news post would be headlined "See Spot Run".

Only through the power of triforce (2)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#299442)

was I able to get first post.

Zelda Changed My Life (2)

Sludge (1234) | more than 13 years ago | (#299443)

The original Legend Of Zelda was the game that got me into programming, or more specifically, game programming. The game itself was exciting and gave me a great feeling of vastness and it's engine (not that I called it that when I was seven) seemed the perfect way to describe a world.

I immediately started using my shallow C64 BASIC knowledge to imitate the gameplay, and by the time I was eight, I had a little graphic walking around a screen.

That's as far as it went back then, but even to this day, the key game design document that I want to create one day is strongly influenced by Zelda.

As a coincidence, my Zelda 1 cartridge that I ordered from E-Bay happened to arrive to my house this morning.

Pardon this self indulgence of reminsence... :)

Re:How does Nintendo legal feel? (1)

Shrubbman (3807) | more than 13 years ago | (#299444)

As someone else mentioned earlier, there have been many such patches for years now, and as far as I know anyone stupid enough to distribute a complete patched rom has been shut down while there's nothing Nintendo legal ppl can do if it's JUST a patch the author is distributing.

Most notable of these patches are the video game equivalent to 'fan-subbing', that is people who painstakingly create patches for roms to games that were only released in japan that translates in-game text to usually english.

On a side note, there's a project over at http://www.zeldaclassic.com/ which the author has painstakingly recreated the original Zelda from scratch. If memory serves me correctly it's for Windows only, closed source freeware, and annoyingly the server seems to be down at the moment :' but they did it without using anything from Nintendo so the only thing they could get dinged for woud be trademark infringement for use of the term 'Zelda'. What's more you can create your own quests in it. When I played around with it a few months back I found it really quite nifty. Try looking in google for 'zelda classic' and you should be able to find a site with it, probably along with scads of user created quests as there are quite a few of em out there.

Re:Zelda Classic (1)

Shrubbman (3807) | more than 13 years ago | (#299445)

It's not a hack of the rom, the guy wrote a game engine specifically to recreate the original Zelda with.

Re:Old games don't hold up (2)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 13 years ago | (#299446)

True for some games, but not Zelda.

I played Zelda just a little while ago, on my still-functional NES system. I greatly enjoyed it, not for nostalgia, but because it was _fun_. Zelda is a great game, probably one of the all-time best.

Some games are shallow and tedious. Some games show the perfection of game design that John Romero couldn't pull off in a dozen lifetimes. For those games, it doesn't matter how old they are.

Re:Zelda (1)

Coplan (13643) | more than 13 years ago | (#299448)

I would imagine, it all comes down to the market life of a game. My favorite games are rpg games, so I've played a lot. Zelda (actually, more of a quest game) is short. Yes, it would be lovely to have a completely different story line for a rpg game of today (Suikoden, FFx, Fallout, etc). But these modern games are huge -- very long relative to the days of zelda. I imagine that it would be very unprofitable to do that sort of thing.

After all, if someone gets their fill on Fallout, then Fallout II has no need to exist.

Damn, I loved Zelda (I still have a functional NES and Cartridge).

-C

Re:I always enjoyed my magical sword (1)

vectrex (16314) | more than 13 years ago | (#299449)

très (and not tres) is a French word meaning, among other thing, very.

Ciao,
...David

Some Request For The Hacked Zelda... (4)

BRock97 (17460) | more than 13 years ago | (#299450)

Since the site is slashdotted, I have some request for this hacked version:
  • That forbidden forest was too scary. Please change it to a forbidden HAPPY forest with some little furry animals running around.
  • Along with the forest, all that right right right, left left left stuff has to go. Please change it to up up down down left right left right. Got to keep it in line with other games. Thanks.
  • Give Link a spunky side kick that helps him fight crime. Pref a girl, but whatever you think is right. Heck, make it an animal and give it two tails. Worked for other games....
  • Give it that open source appeal. Make the old man look like Linus, the bosses look like goons from Apple, Oracle and Microsoft, and then the final boss have the heads of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison.
  • Finally, give link a dart gun and the ability to look around corners. That way, Link would only 'stun' his enemies. With all those Dodongos and Octoroks running around, it would be like a great espionage game with Link as some spy type.
I don't think this stuff is too much to ask. Please get on this right away.

Bryan R.

Re:A Zelda challenge (2)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 13 years ago | (#299451)

I had the same problem. I thought the magic wand might work on them, but in order to get the magic wand, you need to beat one of them.

Very interested in a hint.

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Re:Zelda (1)

great om (18682) | more than 13 years ago | (#299452)

blade runner did something similar, it radomized character's involvement in the story

Re:Some Request For The Hacked Zelda... (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 13 years ago | (#299453)

> Also, if we are letting Link sneak around, lets have a big 1-shot kill sniper rifle

Sorry, but that has been found to infringe on Amazon's 1-click patent technology.

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Re:Classic RPGing (1)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 13 years ago | (#299456)

The NES was not a Z-80, it was a 6502, the Sega Master System/Game Gear and Nintendo Game Boy systems were Z-80 based, but not the NES.

I love my zelda... (2)

G-funk (22712) | more than 13 years ago | (#299457)

Now zelda may not be a hard-core "man's" rpg, but it has a loyal fan base, which it deserves. I think the Zelda series of games (specifically Zelda3 on snes, Zelda4 on (colour)gameboy and the two n64 games Ocarina Of Time and Majora's Mask, are definitely some of the best games ever written for any system. It's the kind of thing you can play over and over, and if you're not too fanatical it can entertain you for months as you explore, play, and progress through the worlds.

Majora's mask doesn't feel as large as the last few games, but it's definitely fun, and a lot harder than the others- and I know a lot of slashdotters out there are looking forward to whatever nintendo serves us up on the gamecube.

Ever since I first played a zelda of my own instead of at friends' houses, I wanted to be able to edit Zelda. Cheers to the fellow with the insight, time, and patience to achieve what I'll never get to do! Job well done!


--Gfunk

Re:Old games don't hold up (1)

scooby-doo (23932) | more than 13 years ago | (#299458)

Umm, Well I've got news for you. I still play all the old games. I'm playing this new Zelda right now (where's that stupid level 7?) and have a game of Chrono Cross going on the side. So perhaps you're opinion doesn't hold for everyone.

Recycling FF1 (2)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 13 years ago | (#299459)

Oh, you want to get a hacked up version of Final Fantasy I? Get the translated ROM for Final Fantasy IIj. It basically reuses 90% of the graphics from FF1. The plot's a little weak, but it's far better than the first. Watch out, though, the monsters are tough as nails, and you have to spend a lot of time "leveling up" to get anywhere. The advancement system was pretty neat, though. No levels, just boosting attributes through use. They don't pull punches either. If you aren't supposed to be in an area in the game yet, the monsters there WILL kill you very quickly.

Seriously, though, try the game out, and you'll see instantly why I think it seems like a hacked remake. The graphics are just dead on.

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (1)

Tower (37395) | more than 13 years ago | (#299460)

Probably not Toys'R'Us - Funcoland, most likely... they deal in used stuff.
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Re:Some Request For The Hacked Zelda... (1)

Lifewolf (41986) | more than 13 years ago | (#299461)

While we are getting changes, I want to see rain! Any game can be made immeasurably better by having 3d rain particles falling down.

Rain might be nice, but what it really needs is lens flare! Afterall, since any halfway decent photographer will go to great lengths to avoid lens flare, by including it in a game it will make the game sequences look more like film. Or something.

Of course, all of this is just to fill time until the first person shooter and Zelda vs. Metroid vs. X-Men fighting game are complete.

Mr. Bungle (2)

caffeineboy (44704) | more than 13 years ago | (#299462)

Anyone heard the Ska-ish Zelda music covers by Mr. Bungle? If not - find them. they are freaking great.

Not meaning to start any flamewars, but if you ask me, the metroid series was more fun.

Star Control! (2)

joeytsai (49613) | more than 13 years ago | (#299463)

Did anyone play the Star Control games? I have many, many great memories of playing the second game; it had a wonderful story and the "action" parts were just FUN. It was simple, but it was definitely the type you play with your neighbor for hours.

Anyway, after the orginial designers left after the second, the third game sucked. So, a fan created project has gotten together to make a new sequel to the second game, and I'm very excited about seeing it.

If you liked Star Control, help out to return it to its old glory!

Star Control: Timewarp [classicgaming.com]

Re:The one thing I hate about you trolls... (1)

colmore (56499) | more than 13 years ago | (#299464)

because its fair use to have and modify roms for games you own and distribute them to other owners, but freeloaders who never owned the real cart can't do it. I've got my NES and original gold cart, how about you?

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (2)

colmore (56499) | more than 13 years ago | (#299465)

It is actually impossible for Nintendo to make any money off of the old Zelda cart now. The only way to acquire it is to buy it used, but that only gives cash to the store/person/ebay dealer that you purchase it from. Nintendo makes money when retailers purchase new carts to sell, retailers haven't stocked the first Zelda since oh... 1992 or so.

So while there might be an intellectual piracy violation or something, you aren't actually hurting Nintendo like you would if you played a ROM of a current N64 game that they might actually sell. The only way this could hurt Nintendo is if playing some hacked 8-bit rom somehow decreased your desire to play a real sequel. This is unlikely, as the only people interested in this type of thing are the nerdy rabid fans who will be purchasing anything with triforces and Dodongos.

DDoS Attack (2)

vbrtrmn (62760) | more than 13 years ago | (#299467)


11 April 2001

In a recent event today, yet another site has been brought to it's knees by a /. DDoS attack. The current victim, a small site called: darkmazda.com, run by Christopher M. Park, who appears to be a vintage Nintendo game hobbyist. This site may still be available through Google's Cache [google.com] .

Appearently, the /. DDoS attack is platform independent. It seems to attack sites without predjudice, but seems to be focused toward geeky content.

Other sites recelty attacked include: Spindletop LLC, a company, which was created to raise money for the [spindletp.com] Spindl3top [spindl3top.org] non-profit, which plans on building high-end computers for charity; 1U Half Width Server Project [wtarreau.free.fr] , a site project that includes instructions on building a 1/2 width 1U rackmountable server.

Should Slashdot be held responsible for these attacks? Should they be made to pay for the bandwidth costs to these sites?


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microsoft, it's what's for dinner

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh first submit! (2)

eries (71365) | more than 13 years ago | (#299468)

2001-04-09 19:15:01 Hacker creates entirely new game based on original 8-bit Zelda (articles,games) (rejected)

Oh well, just kidding, no hard feelings. Kudos to the guy who did this - I'm amazed at the raw power of reverse engineering here. I mean, you can't even buy an NES any more. I guess the idea of a "platform" transcends hardware in some important ways.

Oh, and note to future commercial enterprises: if you are thinking to yourself "Hey, if we just make our file formats/protocols/etc. obscure binary-only, nobody will have enough time on their hands to figure them out, right?" Wrong.

Re:A Zelda challenge (1)

BobGregg (89162) | more than 13 years ago | (#299470)

>Beating wizrobes with bombs when you don't have the wand is quite frustrating, isn't it?

Well, yes, but that's actually part of the trick - you can sneak into the 6th dungeon fairly early on and snatch the wand, bypassing most of the combat. That can be used like a sword on just about everything, except those darn Darknut knight guys... those just about require bombs. Beating a room full of blue Darknuts with just the bombs on your back can be incredibly frustrating! Still, it can be done.

Unfortunately, it's not so easy to steal the wand in the second quest - there are other items you have to retrieve first, as I recall. But you can still get to it a lot earlier than you'd think.

>It makes me happy to see that somebody else wasted their precious youth
>in the same way that I did.

Hear hear! :-)

Re:A Zelda challenge (1)

BobGregg (89162) | more than 13 years ago | (#299471)

>While I applaud the fact that you exploring the playability of your
>games to the extreme, HOW MUCH FREE TIME DO YOU REALLY HAVE?

Let's see, I think that was around the time of my sophomore year in college. So the answer then was - quite a bit. :-)

A Zelda challenge (5)

BobGregg (89162) | more than 13 years ago | (#299472)

My brothers and I played the original Zelda to death. One thing we loved was the flexibility - you could skip certain items or visit the dungeons out of order to grab special weapons, and that allowed you to play the game in a somewhat different order or fashion than the designer intended.

At one point we decided to see if we could play through the game without getting the final sword. Turns out you can, the enemies just take 2X hits. Harder, but not impossible. Then we decided to see if we could do it without the intermediate sword either. Again, you can, but everything takes 4X hits.

However, at some point it occurred to me that maybe, you could play through the game without any sword *at all*. It seemed impossible, since the first thing you do on the first screen of the game is pick up the first (wooden) sword. Also, you start with no other items, weapons or money. However, there are certain places where you can find coins, and certain items you can buy to get started...

In short, it turns out you *can* play through the entire game, in *both* quests, without ever getting a sword at all. It requires quite a bit of creativity and figuring out alternate weapons to use against different monsters, but in every instance it is possible to find an alternate way to pass each game obstacle. The only thing you can't do is defeat Ganon at the end of the game, as that really does require a sword (though any sword, so even the initial wooden sword works there). But you can go through the entire game, right up to the last room, without any sword at all.

I was impressed that there was so much flexibility built into the game - in most games, creature X can only be defeated by weapon Y, there's only one path to each item, one possible order you can do things in, etc. Zelda, in contrast, was *very* well designed to allow alternate solutions to just about everything, right up to the extreme of never using a primary weapon at all.

So if anyone is in search of a challenge (i.e. buggered bored :-), here's one from the annals of Classic Games: "beat" Zelda (that is, get to the last room with Ganon) without ever picking up a sword.

Zelda Classic For DOS Update (1)

RedSynapse (90206) | more than 13 years ago | (#299475)

Just in case anyone is trying to find its new unslashdotted address, its moved here [classicgaming.com] . And yes it's really for DOS, not a ROM, it'll even work under Win9x. They've [classicgaming.com] got a bunch of other remakes [classicgaming.com] too.

Re:Only through the power of triforce (1)

GreyyGuy (91753) | more than 13 years ago | (#299476)

Wow...

AC- who ever you are - you have my respect and admiration.

An actual first post "First Post", that is on topic . I think this is a first :)

Re:Old games don't hold up (1)

iamiuru (100670) | more than 13 years ago | (#299478)

wasteland was my favorite game of all time, i was completely addicted and played it so many times over... neuromancer was a really good game too, funniest thing was thta the box said the movie was coming soon... surprised noone has done a new version of wasteland over

Re:Mr. Bungle (2)

OmegaDan (101255) | more than 13 years ago | (#299479)

Amen Brother! Zelda was good, metroid was better :)

Re:Zelda (1)

bludstone (103539) | more than 13 years ago | (#299480)

Toejam and Earl for the sega Genesis did this.

Random levels, random items.

One of the best games for the system too.. TONS of fun, humor, and general wackiness

darn, just found this posted... (1)

cecil36 (104730) | more than 13 years ago | (#299481)

and the site has been slashdotted. Anyone going to mirror the site and/or download file?

Frm the English is my second and only language Dpt (2)

Richy_T (111409) | more than 13 years ago | (#299482)

Taking a legacy piece of technology and creating something new with it, in a framework that's familar to people.

Next chapter: Constructing sentences.

Rich

Classic RPGing (1)

Mr.roboto (112555) | more than 13 years ago | (#299483)

Someone needs to hack Wizardry like this, now there's classic RPGing. What's the possibility of burning this to a cart if one wanted too, I think the ROM in it's propritary. Time to open some old nintendo carts and find out. Right now I'm too lazy to look up the chips when I find out and like I was saying I think they are propritary, anyone got the pinouts on em already? Mabye someone should try to get their nintendo running CP/M or UZI or something cool like that, since it's Z-80.

Re:Zelda (3)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 13 years ago | (#299485)

There's nothing worse than looking forward to a game, beating it, and then...it's over. Talk about your replay value. I wish they would incorporate this idea into more of today's adventure/RPG video games. They did it then...why not now?

A game came out for the PS2 recently called Shadow of Destiny and I think one of the major things they were aiming for in the game was replayability. The game centers around time travel and they wanted you to go back and play again and again to see how the different choices you make affect everything.

Very good game, I highly recommend it. It's one of the main reasons I got a PS2 in the first place.

-- Dr. Eldarion --

Re:Another Classic Zelda (1)

jpr1 (115308) | more than 13 years ago | (#299486)

actually that was not made just for pc, it was actually just an emulator that automatically loaded the zelda rom. its funny that you call it superior and its the same fucking thing hahaha

Re:snes9x.com is down (1)

JimTheta (115513) | more than 13 years ago | (#299487)

Well, first of all, the game in question is for the NES, not the SNES.

Second, you can get pretty much any emulator available from Zophar's Domain [zophar.net] .

-Grant/JimTheta


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Re:You Can Do It, But... (1)

malfunct (120790) | more than 13 years ago | (#299488)

If you could manage to make a generic type cartridge that had an EPROM for the memory instead of just a rom you could most likely create copy games pretty easily. Of course you wouldn't be able to create copies of any of the games that had special hardware in the cartridge, only those that had software on a single rom.

I know that this is how you make hardware copies of most Atari 2600 games (and I would assume the same applies to Intellivision and CollicoVision games and stuff too)

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (2)

malfunct (120790) | more than 13 years ago | (#299489)

You can't even leagally archive a rom image under American copyright laws because a rom image is considered a durable good. No "backup copy" allowed here. Also I am sure modification of the original product is strictly prohibited under the law in a couple different places

That aside I think this hack is absolutely great. I love when someone takes something they love and with thier passion for that item create something completely new and wonderful with it. I read about this game about a week ago I think and it looks like a top notch mod. I just wish more game companies supported modification of thier games. I also wish that more companies were more liberal with distribution of out of production games. There were so many things I saw when I was a child that I was never able to get and I would like to get a chance for that now when I have the cash in my pocket.

Re:Some Request For The Hacked Zelda... (1)

pallex (126468) | more than 13 years ago | (#299490)

You may want to make it all 3d too. It wont make the game any better, in fact it`ll make it more awkard to navigate, but it`ll boost sales of overpriced 3d cards, which will be out of date in 7 months. Along with your cpu.

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (2)

hoegg (132716) | more than 13 years ago | (#299491)

And where does "fair use" come in? Say I'm an artist who wants to use The Legend of Zelda (tm) as the foundation for a work of satire? The Andy Warhol of video games? In any case, the coder in question can do no harm to Nintendo corporation with his work. In fact, the only market change I foresee is an increase in game sales due to curiosity by players who have only tried the modified version.

More NES Hacks (1)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 13 years ago | (#299492)

Perhaps we can hack Mike Tyson's Super Punch-Out into something a little more appropo -- perhaps Mike Tyson's Prison Break-Out?


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Re:Linux version? (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 13 years ago | (#299493)

This gets (+1, Insightful)? Oh well.

Anyway, to bite the troll that feeds me:

"If this Zelda stuff would be released under a BSD-style licence, we would have a great time. If GPL will be the choice, well, tough luck. I certainly won't play it anyway!"

Assuming for one minute that this person isn't a trolling hypocrite, their hatred of the GPL presumably extends as far as not running Linux, so if this hypothetical version is released they indeed "certainly won't play it anyway!"

QED.

Re:Some Request For The Hacked Zelda... (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 13 years ago | (#299494)

"Wow. You're a moron."

Says the AC that doesn't get the joke.

While we are getting changes, I want to see rain! Any game can be made immeasurably better by having 3d rain particles falling down.

Also, if we are letting Link sneak around, lets have a big 1-shot kill sniper rifle that can take all the monsters out from halfway across the kingdom, that makes games more fun, of course it does.

How does Nintendo legal feel? (4)

iainl (136759) | more than 13 years ago | (#299495)

I love the fact that the download is a patch to the rom cart, not the whole thing, so that should at least delay the lawyer onslaught. Nintendo's lawyers are known for being amongst the most ruthless at taking out rom posters, and I wouldn't want to see stuff like this killed.

Did the Zelda old man ever get on your nerves? (5)

locutus074 (137331) | more than 13 years ago | (#299496)

Remember... you could hit him with your sword, or boomerang, or whatever, but you couldn't kill him, and some of the old men would shoot fireballs at you? Ever wanted to fight back [amused.com] ?

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Re:DMCA (1)

DrgnDancer (137700) | more than 13 years ago | (#299497)

He didn't have to break any encryption to reverse engineer the game, so I don't think DCMA applies (IANAL). He is only distrubuting a patch to the ROM, not a modified ROM, so all the code being distributed by this person is his own. He may have some Copyright issues, but I don't think so (this is similar to fan fiction I think). If you're going to be a troll, at least be subtle

New life for Old Games (1)

TomV (138637) | more than 13 years ago | (#299498)

Hopefully reasonably on-topic, but I beg your indulgence while I take the opportunity to shamelessly plug a nice port of a classic game to a new platform

Currently in Beta, and the more testers the merrier, it's...

Elite for WAP phones. Currently featuring the original Galaxy 1, full trading model, most of the combat, more graphics on the way.

If you don't have a WAP phone, it's playable thru emulators (I prefer the M3Gate one), links available from the site.

Full kudos to Modesty and Dan Catt for all the work.

Try it now, at phink.net [phink.net]

Warning - can seriously damage your productivity. BUT you can get a great price for slaves at Xexedi while you're waiting for the bus.

TomV

Re:Zelda (1)

hardburn (141468) | more than 13 years ago | (#299499)

Oh, sure, NOW I find this out. I played through Chrono Trigger a while back, but lost the ROM in a hard drive reformat. GAR!!!


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Re:Definitely (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 13 years ago | (#299500)

Now I just have to give Nintendo credit on the Metroid thing. Granted you had to beat the game (or at the very least be introduced to Justin Bailey :-) ) to see Samus in all her glory, but having a female lead character in a kick-ass action game all the way back in '85 or so was definitely a Good Thing -- beat Lara Croft to the punch by a good 5 years or so.

The big question: did I hear correctly that a Metroid sequel is out there, and if so, did they make sure to make Samus a cutie?

/Brian

hacking as creation and other Zeldaisms (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 13 years ago | (#299501)

First off I'd like to congratulate the person who did this; this is a very Good Thing for those into old games like this. Zelda is IMHO the classic of its kind -- great music, great graphics, a lot of fun. I hope to see that "how to hack Zelda" doc soon -- that looks like a great deal of fun. I have actually seen one very good Zelda clone, but you have to be a Mac user to play it. It's called Mantra; I can't quite seem to find a web page for it anymore but it's easy enough to find a download. The music in particular is incredible, even if the plot line becomes nonsensical pretty quickly. The big question: does source exist to such a game somewhere? /Brian

Re:I love my zelda... (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 13 years ago | (#299502)

I don't consider computerized "RPGs" to be RPGs at all. The name stuck because they were based on pencil-and-paper RPGs like D&D, but the fact is there are no roles being played except by the player. They're turn-based dungeon crawl games, no more, no less. (RPG is catchier, but totally inaccurate.)

/Brian

Zelda Classic (1)

Xevion (157875) | more than 13 years ago | (#299504)

There was another recent Zelda hack that, amongst other things, allowed you to make your own map. I am not sure if it is played on an emulator or not, however. It goes by the name Zelda Classic, and I think it runs on DOS. Unlike this game, it is an exact duplicate of the original.

Re:A Zelda challenge (2)

silhouette (160305) | more than 13 years ago | (#299505)

A long time ago I did the very same thing. Got to Gannon without a sword, and found no way to kill him. Beating wizrobes with bombs when you don't have the wand is quite frustrating, isn't it? But such a good challenge!

It makes me happy to see that somebody else wasted their precious youth in the same way that I did. Looking back on all my childhood years of nintendo playing, the one thing I am most proud of is going through Zelda without ever getting a sword.
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Well, there are other things from my childhood I'm proud of too..
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It's not like I was some kind of nintendo junkie..
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I did get out sometimes..
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..when my mom made me..
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I've wasted my life.

Old games don't hold up (4)

Hieronymous Coward (165765) | more than 13 years ago | (#299506)

Zelda was fun, but I doubt it could hold your interest now. No matter how fond your memories of the old games are, playing them now reveals them to be shallow and tedious.

Interestingly, these same qualities make a few of the old games BETTER than you remeber. Fire up MAME and Robotron, focus on the center of the screen and start counting Brain Waves.

Re:Zelda Classic (1)

fohat (168135) | more than 13 years ago | (#299507)

Hey thanks for the info
found zelda on fileplanet!

-Roy off to find the triforce once again

Re:Zelda (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 13 years ago | (#299508)

There's nothing worse than looking forward to a game, beating it, and then...it's over. Talk about your replay value. I wish they would incorporate this idea into more of today's adventure/RPG video games. They did it then...why not now?

Try System Shock2 and Deus Ex. You can play the game 3 different ways in SS2, and an infinite amount on Deux Ex (there is like 5 different ways to solve each obstical in the game!).

snes9x.com is down (1)

trevorcor (177535) | more than 13 years ago | (#299511)

I saw this yesterday somewhere, and thought I'd like to try it out, but snes9x.com is down! Anyone know where myself and other interested Slashdotters could get a snes emulator (for Linux of course?)

Mirror For /.'ed site (3)

Teflon Coating (177969) | more than 13 years ago | (#299512)

Here is the mirror for it, courtesy of google. Click here for zelda mirror [google.com]

Re:A Zelda challenge (1)

ChaosEmerald (178369) | more than 13 years ago | (#299513)

(not, this is not a flame)

You see this as flexibility. I see this as primative. Each enemy, instead of requiring very specific weapons, just had HP, and each weapon just did a certain amount of damage. A few enemies were immune to certain weapons, but just a few.

I personally interpret this as the games today are trying to be too complicated- if the games before were so fun with extremely primative engines, why do we get such complicated engines now?

Re:Old games don't hold up (1)

Bingo Foo (179380) | more than 13 years ago | (#299514)

Zelda was fun, but I doubt it could hold your interest now. No matter how fond your memories of the old games are, playing them now reveals them to be shallow and tedious.

I have a commodore 64 emulator for the sole purpose of playing Wasteland. I have played it dozens of times, and no, the plot does not change. The graphics are primitive, the sound is virtually non-existent, and the maps are on a square grid.

However, the full-party, turn-based combat is just too good for me to not play. This makes the game exciting even when I know the exact location of the best loot and NPC's. Then there are voluntary limitations: I'll try to play a whole game with no ranged weapons, for instance.

Bingo Foo

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Re:Old games don't hold up (1)

Bingo Foo (179380) | more than 13 years ago | (#299515)

Yeah, I know on both counts. I got the Interplay 10th anniversary CD solely for wasteland, but there were enough subtle differences in the keyboard and graphics that I had to resort to the C64 emulated version. Plus, with the 4-disk switching on C64, you can play a game where you keep building the characters while you use fresh map disks so all of the goodies come back :)

I also bought Fallout, and there are a ton of things I like about that game, but as I mentioned in my original post, the party combat system kicks serious ass. I even tried X-COM because somebody told me that it had a similar combat system. No dice. Wasteland will always be my favorite.

Bingo Foo

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Re:A Zelda challenge (1)

cnkeller (181482) | more than 13 years ago | (#299516)

While reading this I thought back to those guys in Japan who figured out how to beat Resident Evil and Resident Evil 2 using only the knife.

While I applaud the fact that you exploring the playability of your games to the extreme, HOW MUCH FREE TIME DO YOU REALLY HAVE???

zip files (1)

jasapp (194652) | more than 13 years ago | (#299517)

Uhh, his site seems kinda slow. Here is a link to the zip file I got off his server. http://www.monkeyextreme.com/files/zc-full.zip Here is the md5, someone care to verify it? 30065afb82be8e1f713426b82d31be42 zc-full.zip

Ice, Ice, Baby. (1)

loose_change (196779) | more than 13 years ago | (#299518)

Didn't anyone else notice that this is much like sampling, which is so prevalent in the music industry? The creative ethic is rather similar -- take a piece of work, use the elements you like, and create a whole different product.

It's not new, of course. People have been re-writing song lyrics for (literally) ages, and even Dead White Male classical composers used popular song as a basis for some works.

IPS patcher for Mac (1)

MotownAvi (204916) | more than 13 years ago | (#299519)

The archive has the patch in .exe and .ips versions. If you have a Mac, you'll need an IPS patcher app to apply the patch. I found one at:

http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~cwright/ips/ [berkeley.edu]

and it seems to work fine for me.

Avi

Re:Zelda (4)

wd123 (209211) | more than 13 years ago | (#299520)

I think the two (RPG) games I've found with the best replay value are Chrono Trigger (SNES, find a ROM, it's all over I'm sure) and Chrono Cross (PSX).

Chrono Trigger was probably, barring Final Fantasy 4 (2 in the US) the best RPG for the SNES, hell, it might even be better. Wicked plot, great character development, and all-around FUN gameplay. The premise is basically that you need to travel through time in order to stop an immense destructive force that will (in the future) completely obliterate life as we know it on the planet. The time-travel is well done (unlike in Zelda: Ocarina), in that things you do in the past tend to have a reasonable impact on the future. For instance, if you get a treasure in 600 A.D. you cannot get it in 1000 A.D. even if it would be available, however you can get it in 1000 A.D. *and* 600 A.D. To top it off, the game has over 20 endings to find. Once you beat it normally (which can be done in one of a few ways), you get to play in what is called a 'New Game+'. This is exactly like starting a new game, except you keep all of your items and equipment (except for key items needed to move the plot along), and you keep all your stats at the end of the last game. Plus, you get to fight the final boss effectively whenever you want, and by doing so at different points during the story, you get new endings (whcih reflect the situation of the story at the time). It's a LOT of fun to tear through the beginning of the game with high-level guys too.

Chrono Cross is a lot like Chrono Trigger, except you move around between dimensions instead of between time. It has a 'New Game+' and multiple endings as well. Not only that, it features 44 characters, lots of side-quests, and a branching storyline. You need to play through the game at least three times to get all the characters, and to go through the different branches.

If you haven't played the Chrono series, and you're looking for good replay, give them a go. I *STRONGLY* recommend playing Chrono Trigger first, since Chrono Cross has lots of references to it, and is much more enjoyable for having played CT.
-wd
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chip norkus(rl); white_dragon('net'); wd@routing.org
mercenary albino programmer for hire

Re:A Zelda challenge (1)

Sabol (210513) | more than 13 years ago | (#299521)

I tried this, but I couldn't seem to find anything that hurt the multi-headed dragon in level 4... only the sword seemed to work. How did you do it??? Hint please!

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (2)

m2t (213436) | more than 13 years ago | (#299525)

Hell, this story is the main reason i'm going to Games4Less on my lunch break to pick up an NES and a copy of Zelda.. among a few other titles I had until now forgotten about. Sure, Nintendo's not going to get any royalties off of this sale, but then again, is this much different than if I went and got an emulator and a ROM?

-Matt

Definitely (1)

infiniti99 (219973) | more than 13 years ago | (#299526)

Old NES games by Nintendo always had a habit of containing extras after you win like that.

Super Mario Bros let you play again with all "Goombas" turned into those beetle things. Metriod let you play again without your suit. To get the best ending to Kid Icarus, you had to play more than once (but you kept all of your items). There are probably more things like this.

Zelda, however, took the cake. It included an *entirely new* game. I mean, some games add a secret dungeon, or a secret this or a secret that. But to be given an entirely new game? Now that's cool.

Nowadays, games are generally more complex such that making another full quest would add significant time to the development. I mean, if I had to add another quest to (warning: shameless plug) Infinity [affinix.com] , I'd probably jump off of a bridge.

Oh well, can't forget the good old days!

-Justin

Re:Zelda (1)

3G (220614) | more than 13 years ago | (#299527)

The thing I think I enjoyed most about the original Zelda, was the fact that once you beat the game, the ENTIRE game started again. All items, secrets, EVERYTHING was in a different place.

That shouldn't be too hard. Just create a game that calls up x amount of variables and semi-randomly assigns them properties throughout the next game (location, value, etc.). On top of that, build another collection of items/functions that are randomly included. So everytime you finish the game, you're presented with not only some re-shuffled elements, but also new elements added (and some old removed)!

Of course, the real genius would be to figure out how to do this and make the game retain its logic. But I'm surprised nothing like this has been devised yet - or has it??

Re:Old games don't hold up (1)

Evil Grinn (223934) | more than 13 years ago | (#299528)

Zelda was fun, but I doubt it could hold your interest now. No matter how fond your memories of the old games are, playing them now reveals them to be shallow and tedious.

Not for me!

I don't own any console system, and haven't since the 8-bit NES and the original non-color Gameboy.

My PC is also several years old, and incapable of playing most of the games sold today.

Thus my technological growth as a gamer has been stunted somewhere in the mid-to-late-90s.

However, my tastes have not been spoiled by recent games. I can still appreciate older games as if they were the coolest things I've ever played, because they really are.

I'm not sure if you should envy me or pity me.
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Thats nothing! (1)

zephc (225327) | more than 13 years ago | (#299530)

a friend of mine hacked super mario world as well as super mario all-star's ROMs, "kafuka world" and "super makafuka", respectively. He didnt just change the game bitmaps, he redesigned like every level... the games are hard as HELL. if anyone wants a copy of the roms, just email me.

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MOVE 'SIG'.

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (1)

japhmi (225606) | more than 13 years ago | (#299531)

Someone being able to "go out to Toys'R'Us and buy the ROM cart" period is kinda funny. I'd love to be able to find old NES carts at used game stores, let alone new ones.

Re:Zelda (1)

southk (226086) | more than 13 years ago | (#299532)

Go back to the usenet teemoney.
All your dis are belong to us.

And it don't stop.

Zelda C and other games (1)

wms131 (232670) | more than 13 years ago | (#299533)

I remember Zelda, who doesn't? Anyone ever play Destiny of an Emperor by Capcom or Bandit Kings of Ancient China by Koei? Anyone know what is the story on Koei... I mean what happened to the company and it's games? I've downloaded the Zelda C! I can't wait to get off work. NES old school!

Re:Classic RPGing (1)

gwizah (236406) | more than 13 years ago | (#299534)

This has been done for quite awhile. The ROM's have been poked, prodded, and mapped and you can "make" an actual cartridge, but it's a bit difficult to do. Here [atarihq.com] is some info regarding Classic nes.

Zelda (4)

big_groo (237634) | more than 13 years ago | (#299535)

The thing I think I enjoyed most about the original Zelda, was the fact that once you beat the game, the ENTIRE game started again. All items, secrets, EVERYTHING was in a different place. Talk about a surprise. Sleepless for a week to beat the game, then sleepless for another week to beat it again - just to see if there was anything else. Cudos to Nintendo.

There's nothing worse than looking forward to a game, beating it, and then...it's over. Talk about your replay value. I wish they would incorporate this idea into more of today's adventure/RPG video games. They did it then...why not now?

Zelda theme song by System of a Down (2)

Calle Ballz (238584) | more than 13 years ago | (#299536)

Look up 'System of a Down Zelda' on napster and download that song.... It's hilarious

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (1)

JAVAC THE GREAT (239850) | more than 13 years ago | (#299537)

In fact, the only market change I foresee is an increase in game sales due to curiosity by players who have only tried the modified version.

That's pretty funny. Someone (who has never played Zelda) downloads the Zelda ROM, downloads this patch, applies it and plays it in an emulator, then decides, "hey, I wonder what the original is like?" and decides to go out to Toys'R'Us and buy the ROM Cart.

This is the kind of fantasy world that exists solely in the twisted imagine of a slashbot, I assure you.
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link to more hacks and patches (2)

SalTerre (240065) | more than 13 years ago | (#299538)

if interested in other nes games of this nature, check out this

huge list of other patches and rom hacks [google.com]

Re:Old games don't hold up (1)

Fortyseven (240736) | more than 13 years ago | (#299539)

I couldn't disagree more. ;D I was just playing (non-hacked) Zelda a couple mornings ago, and having a blast. I find that a great deal of the really good NES games are still quite entertaining. Zelda, Zelda II, SMB 1/2/3, Metal Gear, Bionic Commando -- all top notch games, and still games that I fire up in the fceu NES emulator to take a break. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the old Atari 2600 games. Try as I might, most of them are more like what you're saying: simplistic and just not very interesting. But my god give me Galaga under MAME and I'm a happy man. :D

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (1)

themusicgod1 (241799) | more than 13 years ago | (#299540)

i'm feeling a hint of sarcasm there. this is free expression...art at its finest. i *wish* i could do this
*refrains from flaming...just this once because he's in a good mood* ...oh ..pfa are they making money on zelda any more?...i mean i'm sure a few people are buying the old NES consoles still but nothing compared to the majority. and even if your nations laws "did" at one time realize that such anthing was right or wrong...technology has changed the reality and definition of right and wrong. look around. we arent in the 19th century any more. "moderate me. you know you want to"
-
themusicgod1 [mp3.com]

Re:And this is news? (2)

dasunt (249686) | more than 13 years ago | (#299542)

(I was going to say something simular to your post, but since you covered 90% of what I was going to say, I'll just add a comment.)

There has been so much interest in NES rom hacking, that for certain games, there are programs (usually win32 based) to change the game. For example, the NES Legend of Zelda game has at least one program that I'm aware of to change the overhead map room layout.

*Sigh* You are right, this isn't news. I remember reading docs about hacking Zelda and playing Zelda hacks over 2 years ago. What's the next thing Slashdot is going to post? Sega Master System Emulated?

Another Classic Zelda (4)

LostScorp88 (249884) | more than 13 years ago | (#299543)

A version of the old Zelda has already been made for the PC. It features the original quest, and the original quest with a different graphic style. It even includes an editor to create your own quests! The site has many quests that were designed and uploaded using this. The port also has additional features added to the Zelda game. Go and check it out now at www.classicgaming.com/zeldaclassic, and I'm sure you can d/l it on FilePlanet (www.fileplanet.com). It is, I feel, a superior version that is actually made for PC!

You Can Do It, But... (1)

RetroRichie (259581) | more than 13 years ago | (#299546)

I remember back in the day, someone (let's say my dad, for sake of example ;) and his friends, in spirit of the same concept of "free cable", tried to copy those things and sell em on the Nintendo Black Market (hoho). Turns out, it's pretty expensive to do unless you're going to manufacture them in mass quantities. They couldn't turn enough of a profit for it to be worth their time. So... you can probly do it, but you'd probly be better off just feeding a video out to your family room TV. :)

Revenge of Ganon (1)

Jormundgard (260749) | more than 13 years ago | (#299547)

The same thing was actaully done quite a while ago by a guy who made a version of Zelda called "Revenge of Ganon". He also made a Zelda game editor and a version of Mario which he called "Ice Mario" or something where the iceballs shot across the screen instead of bouncing. I think this guy deserves more credit since he did this so long ago. I don't know where you could find it, but I imagine that Zophar's domain [zophar.net] would have them.

wondering (1)

deran9ed (300694) | more than 13 years ago | (#299548)

Would be nice to get an alternative to Metroid, Ultima *, and the first Final Fantasy ;\ Wishful thinking...

cached ver (2)

phishtaper (303217) | more than 13 years ago | (#299549)

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:smb3c.darkmaz da.com/zeldac/+zeldac&hl=en

Nintendo to close doors (4)

freeweed (309734) | more than 13 years ago | (#299551)

April 11, 2001

(AP) - Nintendo of America announced today that due to incredibly low sales of their 1986 hit 'Zelda', they are over 65 billion Yen in debt, and are declaring Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.

'All these ROM downloads have taken away literally thousands of sales per day', said an anonymous Nintendo spokesman. When asked how Nintendo could possibly lose sales on an item that hasn't been in production for nearly a decade, the spokesman refused comment.

Re:The one thing I love about slashdot... (1)

Trinidad_T_Tobago (311951) | more than 13 years ago | (#299552)

Where here on Brazil are a Toys'R'Us?
=o)

Re:Another Classic Zelda (1)

nofloyd (316154) | more than 13 years ago | (#299553)

The zeldaclassic program and quest editor are great. I've been playing some other people's creations for a few weeks (a mix of simple, challenging (almost impossible), funny, and raunchy games. "Here Link, don't forget your dildo!" Some people have found a way to add different tilesets and change the weapons and the link character. I've just started creating my own quest which is great fun. However, I've been unable to get into the site for some days now. I had links for http://www.zeldaclassic.com and http://www.armageddongames.com ? I hope it hasn't disappeared.

I always enjoyed my magical sword (1)

strictnein (318940) | more than 13 years ago | (#299554)

I always enjoyed using my magical sword. Zwangggg!

Re:Classic RPGing (1)

UberWhack (319225) | more than 13 years ago | (#299555)

Well..I guess I'll put away my Z-SID book!

A Zelda-like game I enjoyed... (1)

Garinwirth (325774) | more than 13 years ago | (#299556)

.. is Dink Smallwood [teleport.com] . It has "interesting" humor and lots of blood, but plays just like Zelda. Windoze only, I'm afraid.

And this is news? (5)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 13 years ago | (#299557)

Anybody who's ever looked at Zophar's Domain (here [zophar.net] ) in the past two or three years or so knows that there are lots of re-writes and edits of old NES games, from Metroid to Super Mario.

Yep. Played 'em all. (3)

Eustis Burbank (415579) | more than 13 years ago | (#299560)

Now all we need is for someone to hack the N64 version to add characters from "Conker's Bay Fur Day" to "Zelda:Ocarina of Time"...

Does the Hookshot work on the "Mighty Poo"?

The one thing I love about slashdot... (1)

Signal Nine (442438) | more than 13 years ago | (#299561)

... is the way you encourage anything illegal. This article, for example, encourages paying attention to someone who broke commercial software. Every single ROM site states that their products are not to be used if you don't have the original program. Here, there is no "original program" - it was broken into.

DeCSS, Scientology, you name it, sometimes it seems like Slashdot is only there to encourage people to go against the justly legislated laws of this great nation.

Wonder if he fixed the RNG (1)

Nos9 (442559) | more than 13 years ago | (#299562)

My friend and I had the RNG pattern memorized for the old Zelda game, we were rarely short of Rupees, as we played the shell game and always won. And, Yes, I do realize this shows that I had way too much time on my hands when I was younger.
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