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Nokia Bets Big On Mapping

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the elop-versus-page dept.

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angry tapir writes "Nokia and Oracle have joined forces on mapping, with details of the deal to be announced at the Oracle OpenWorld conference. To differentiate its smartphones from the competition, Nokia is betting big on location as well as imaging technology. Oracle is expected to add Nokia's mapping technology to its applications. Part of Nokia's location strategy is signing deals for the use of its Navteq mapping technology with as many companies as possible. Besides the deal with Oracle, Nokia has recently announced contracts with car makers BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen and Korean Hyundai, which will all use Navteq map data in some of their vehicles. Garmin will also start using Nokia data on transit services and walking routes to power a new Urban Guidance feature, which will be available as part of its Navigon app for Android and iOS. Nokia's most important partner on navigation, though, is Microsoft. All smartphones based on Windows Phone 8 will have Nokia's Drive application as standard, while Microsoft's Bing Maps geographical search engine uses Nokia data."

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Evil seed (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522357)

After Microsoft, Nokia chooses a partnership with Oracle ...
They really started late on the evil scene, but they decided to learn fromthe best !

Re:Evil seed (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 years ago | (#41522499)

After Microsoft, Nokia chooses a partnership with Oracle ... They really started late on the evil scene, but they decided to learn from the best !

Next they are going to partner with diabold and Facebook. That way they can work out who you are likely to vote for and if the don't like it give you directions to the wrong polling station. As a backup diabold will miscount as usual though.

Re:Evil seed (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 2 years ago | (#41535523)

So when will they partner with Monsanto?

Re:Evil seed (1)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about 2 years ago | (#41527225)

Oracle has a long and well documented track record of screwing over everyone they come in contact with - including partners. Nokia needs to tread very carefully here. Perhaps it's a move of desperation on their part.

Re:Evil seed (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#41529249)

They already signed into a contract where their survival is dependent on microsoft. When you are already walking on the edge, who cares if the chasm gets twice as deep?

If it's maps you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522361)

http://osm.org/ [osm.org]

Makes sense (3, Interesting)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#41522373)

Nokia needs to differentiate itself to survive, and it seems to have found a workable niche just as Apple stumbles.By getting Oracle and Microsoft as partners, they also get a degree of protection from American protectionism, that kept them out of the US market in the past. It pains me to write it, but we may have to re-evaluate Elop.

Re:Makes sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522405)

One thing to note is Apple stumbled trying to keep up with Nokia's mapping if the problem was negotiating Google's turn by turn. It could be a scenario of the new giant not keeping up with the new old giant reborn nimble... time will tell but it's good for the market having competition again.

Re:Makes sense (3, Insightful)

mrjb (547783) | about 2 years ago | (#41522411)

Unless I'm gravely mistaken, they've got some excellent talkers working there. I don't see the business case, but apparently someone managed to convince the management enough for this to make the news. Nokia aren't not exactly first to market, so they better get it right. Because they've got some fantastic competitors in Tom Tom, OpenStreetMaps, Google and yes, even Apple. Unless they "Get it right" and come up with a bloody good reason for people to switch from their cost-free-and-good Android Google Maps, they're just throwing money into a bottomless pit.

Re:Makes sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522431)

i bet your were just defending apple's maps just the other day, saying something like "they have only just started" and "we should give them a little while to find their feet."

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522661)

Obvious troll is obvious.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522765)

Yeah i know he is, but how did he score insightful, i doubt he has even tried it.

Re:Makes sense (2)

Hadlock (143607) | about 2 years ago | (#41522441)

If they have Garmin using their data, that's a pretty solid revenue stream for at least several years. Not enough to prop up the company now that microsoft has evicerated their mobile division and is using it as a ventriloquist dummy to hawk their windows phone OS, but it will give their employees another year or two to gracefully exit the company before it implodes in a spectacular fireball.

Re:Makes sense (2)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | about 2 years ago | (#41522715)

...they're just throwing money into a bottomless pit.

Maybe that's the goal. Who said that Nokia was supposed to survive all this?

Re:Makes sense (4, Informative)

Romwell (873455) | about 2 years ago | (#41522717)

. Because they've got some fantastic competitors in Tom Tom, OpenStreetMaps, Google and yes, even Apple. Unless they "Get it right" and come up with a bloody good reason for people to switch from their cost-free-and-good Android Google Maps, they're just throwing money into a bottomless pit.

Actually, Nokia gets it right and Android doesn't. Nokia's maps are free, and you can pre-load the whole continent on your cellphone, and use your GPS and naviagation offline (helpful for hiking in most of the US where there's no signal, to say nothing of data connection). Nokia also offers turn-by-turn navigation with text-to-speech in real time, while many cheaper navigation devices don't. In short, you can't even compare Nokia Maps to Google Maps; the latter is much better for looking POI, but for navigation Nokia Maps takes the cake.

Re:Makes sense (1, Informative)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#41523267)

ctually, Nokia gets it right and Android doesn't. Nokia's maps are free, and you can pre-load the whole continent on your cellphone, and use your GPS and naviagation offline

If you can get their wanky PC suite to connect to your phone so you can install them. And if it doesn't randomly deinstall them (presumably) because you haven't used them for a while...

Re:Makes sense (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523489)

Why bother, you can install the maps on the phone itself, no PC involved.

Re:Makes sense (1)

Romwell (873455) | about 2 years ago | (#41526943)

First of all, you don't need to install the PC suite. You can download your maps on the phone, and I have downloaded mine on my computer directly (the list of direct download links available here [dailymobile.net] ).

From my experience, their PC suite was stable, I never had any problems. I just never have to use it for anything. And I don't know what the hell you are talking about when you speak of automatic deinstallation.

I should also note that, at least on my Nokia 5230, Nokia suite is not required for file transfer or tethering. It simply installs itself as a USB modem (or flash drive) if you connect via USB, or detects as a Bluetooth modem (same speed, but eats up battery faster).

Re:Makes sense (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 2 years ago | (#41529347)

A bit offtopic, but how did you get bluetooth to work fast? I only get BT v1.2 speeds on my 5230 to PC transfers, so USB tether is pretty much a must for any heavy transferring. ~80KB/sec isn't a stellar transfer speed when I am limited by memory card's read/write speed over USB.

The phone does support 3G so OTA updates of map suite are easy, but I still prefer updating through PC because of much better network speed at home.

Also the whole "phone identifies itself as an external memory or a modem to a PC" makes me cringe. This used to be industry standard just a few years ago until apple perverted it. Nowadays me hooking my 5230 to a young friend's PC when visiting to toss him a couple of files gets me a look of astonishment "doesn't it need some sort of itunes to work?". Ugh. At least android can is still decent in this regard.

Re:Makes sense (1)

21mhz (443080) | about 2 years ago | (#41532927)

Also the whole "phone identifies itself as an external memory or a modem to a PC" makes me cringe. This used to be industry standard just a few years ago until apple perverted it.

Unfortunately, USB mass storage basically meant that the phone had to have a FAT block device partition to store the data, which prevented most of meaningful optimization.

Microsoft has pushed the MTP profile through standardization, in part, to have something more abstracted from the details of on-device storage medium. Then they did their "extend" thing for Windows Phone, so that their own standard MTP cannot be used to sync data with it. Apple is in their own realm of not interoperating with anything when they can avoid it, of course.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41525533)

my google maps on android work offline.... I'm not certain you got this one right friend

Re:Makes sense (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 2 years ago | (#41529277)

In short, you can't even compare Nokia Maps to Google Maps; the latter is much better for looking POI, but for navigation Nokia Maps takes the cake.

nonsense indeed.

Nokia's maps are free

so are google's.

and use your GPS and naviagation offline

so does google. you can cache arbitrary map rectangles. you wouldn't use google nav though, you'd use google maps, or google tracker.

Nokia also offers turn-by-turn navigation with text-to-speech in real time,

... and so does google.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41533309)

nonsense indeed.

I'll see your baseless 'nonsense indeed' and raise you an unsubstantiated 'rubbish'.

and use your GPS and naviagation offline

so does google. you can cache arbitrary map rectangles. you wouldn't use google nav though, you'd use google maps, or google tracker.

oh excellent! so assuming i remember to cache the entire area of where i am and where i could conceivably want to go it won't matter if i drop a cell connection, how convenient!

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41534047)

By google's maps being free you mean they sell you as a product to advertisers to pay for the maps, then yes they are free. If you don't think your privacy is worth anything then sure it's free maps.

Re:Makes sense (2)

kaiser423 (828989) | about 2 years ago | (#41532231)

Huh?

Android's had turn by turn navigation for quite a few years, and you can cache GB's of map data for offline use. There is a limit on the cache amount, but it's more than you can cover in a a couple of weeks. I use it all the time in the middle of nowhere, and hiking.

Does Nokia maps also do train schedules, bus schedules, walking directions, biking directions, street view and indoor navigation inside of large malls an airports? (serious question, just asking)

Re:Makes sense (4, Interesting)

stephanruby (542433) | about 2 years ago | (#41522771)

Unless I'm gravely mistaken, they've got some excellent talkers working there. I don't see the business case, but apparently someone managed to convince the management enough for this to make the news.

Actually, there is nothing new here. Nokia already invested big on mapping when it acquired NavTeq and NavTeq already had most of these relationships in place at the time it was acquired by Nokia in 2008.

The only new item I'm noticing here is the relationship with Oracle, but my guess is that this isn't new either and that we're only getting this bit of news because of the current JavaOne conference.

Nokia aren't not exactly first to market, so they better get it right. Because they've got some fantastic competitors in Tom Tom, OpenStreetMaps, Google and yes, even Apple. Unless they "Get it right" and come up with a bloody good reason for people to switch from their cost-free-and-good Android Google Maps, they're just throwing money into a bottomless pit.

What are you talking about? NavTeq was already (and is still) the largest mapping OEM in the World. NavTeq data was already being used by TomTom, Microsoft, Apple, and even Google in some parts. Part of the issue here is that few companies possess all the mapping data in the world, so they have to license a patchwork of maps from a bunch of different mapping vendors and NavTeq was already the largest amalgamation of many of those mapping companies.

Now if you want to talk about how NavTeq is consolidating itself more and more, but now is mostly standing still technology-wise -- compared to many of its competitors. Then yes, we can talk about that, but don't ever say that the problem isn't that NavTeq wasn't the first to market. Technically, I don't think anyone can claim to be first in mapping technology, even Christopher Columbus can't claim that. But if anything in this case, I'd say the opposite was true, and that for a time, NavTeq was first to market, mostly in the 90s, and it's still the biggest right now, but now unfortunately, the people running NavTeq are currently either too old, too arrogant, or too set in their ways, to adapt to the rapidly changing landscape of diverging mapping technologies. Their only strategy right now seems to buy out their competition, so they can maintain their old prices, but that strategy doesn't seem to be working, that's why they were eventually bought themselves by Nokia.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41525141)

Of course TomTom (Tele Atlas) bought out their competiion as well

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523347)

Don't make me laugh. All maps you mentioned are crap in my country. Nokia is working just OK and it is free and you can download offline maps.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523583)

Really? You don't think Nokia was one of the first and best to include their maps in smartphones?

Re:Makes sense (3)

LWATCDR (28044) | about 2 years ago | (#41524383)

Nokia bought Navteq which was making navigation software long before there was an iPhone or Android so they are actually well entrenched in the system. That being said I fear that Nokia is looking for some way to survive. Windows Phone 7 was a disaster and I can see no reason for the optimism the media has shown for Windows 8. Windows 7 was supposed to be the big change now we are told that it will be WIndows 8 yet they have not let the press use it and the SDK has not been released. Then you have the abuse Nokia has suffered from Microsoft in their relationship. Nokia was supposed to be the flagship partner and now Microsoft is saying that the HTC device is "the Windows 8 Phone"! With the upcoming release of Windows 8 which is supposed to fix everything. Microsoft has killed the market for Windows phones. Nobody should buy any Windows phone on the market because they are all obsolete and the Windows 8 phones are not on the market yet. So Nokia's cash flow from phone sales is reduced to close to 0. What a deal.

Eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41525115)

They have been the leading provider for many years of navigation and geographic data, no news here, They were around before google maps. Also, he cost of google maps isn't free, you pay for it with eyeballs on advertisements.
Of course, having worked in the industry, I would know all this and not have to make up stuff.
What makes the bloggers and media hacks think they know anything about the industry.
Because they use goodle maps?

Re:Makes sense (1)

MM-tng (585125) | about 2 years ago | (#41522435)

re-evaluate Elop? NO!

Re:Makes sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522627)

And what has exactly Elop done, except destroyed Nokia?

Acquiring Navteq and betting on maps is 100% work of previous CEO, Kallasvuo. And he did always put strong emphasis on good map and driving applications even on Symbian era.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522719)

You have to give him some credit for getting BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Korean Hyundai, garmin, oracle and Microsoft to use it. You see its one thing to go on a big shopping spree when your company is on top of the world, but putting that money to good use is another thing entirely, which the previous ceo of nokia knows very well. Elop has only been in charge for 2 years (it took jobs 5 years to turn apple around) and monetizing the huge amount of wasted R&D and assets is a great place to start.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41524681)

Firstly, he hasn't done anything to get these companies onboard, sales people did. They're doing what they've doing in Navteq for years.

Secondly, all the companies you listed are long-time Navteq customers from times long time before Nokia even bought Navteq. Again, Elop has done nothing except destroyed Nokia. And rest of the Nokia gang just tries to survive the fallout..

Differentiate in a GROWING market???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522725)

Why differentiate, it's a fast growing market, there's room for lots of me-too products and they have good hardware skills and marketing to sell a lot of handsets.

So start producing Android phones, just as other new handset makers are doing well on Android, so too Nokia can have success in that market.

As I understand it... (2, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#41523957)

Nobody but Samsung really makes money out of Android. The bar for making a phone which is competitive in the market is now almost incredibly high. You are up against two huge companies with vast resources, one of whom admittedly only wants to occupy the top and middle ground, but the other makes a lot of cheap phones as well. Arguably Samsung overlaps Apple at the top end as well with the Note 2.

There really isn't any room for me-too products. RIM is trying to make the perfect business portable communications device - and I hope they succeed - and Nokia is trying to make a stand-out product for people who travel light: good mapping, good cameras, and an OS which isn't iOS, for when iOS becomes meh with the youth market. I hope they succeed too.An iOS/Android world would be pretty gray.

As for Elop, well, my view may be different from the Slashdot norm. Microsoft wants to sell Windows phones and, if they buy Nokia, the other second tier manufacturers may well take fright. If Elop genuinely saw the need for partnering, faced with the two elephants in the room, and pursued that as a strategy, then he deserves some credit.

Re:As I understand it... (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 2 years ago | (#41526119)

Nobody but Samsung really makes money out of Android.

Show me the figures. Google make a load of money from Android [and indirectly even more]. The only company I see struggling is HTC [ignoring the fact they are also a Windows Phone company], and ironically Motorola. Sony is doing badly everywhere else but is profitable with phones. In fact ZTE and Huawei, are doing really well too.

Lets be honest Android is booming and phone companies making the right moves are doing well, unlike Nokia who well should have had an Android product.

Re:As I understand it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41534415)

google only makes money indirectly from android (they give it away for free not sell it), and the fact that only samsung and cheap chinnese phone makers are making money off android kind of shoots down your theory that everyone should only be making android.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523305)

Beside the fact that Apple made a stumble, Apple did so having $ 100 billion cash. Apple is in for the long game so can afford a stumble or two (hundred).

Nokia can not afford big mistakes.

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523327)

that's what nokia was saying 5 years ago.

Re:Makes sense (2)

Imbrondir (2367812) | about 2 years ago | (#41523333)

By accident modded this "Informative". Posting as to erease my grave error. Have you even looked at the sales train wreck Nokia have had since partnering with MS?

Only relevant in context (1, Interesting)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#41524001)

Have you considered what would have happened had they kept on making low end phones, and phones that the carriers didn't like? Sales are down by volume in the US, but up by revenue. Doing that is usually an uphill struggle knowing the brand-obsession of the US market.

Slashdot is full of armchair CEOs, but I do wonder how many of them could succeed running a market stall.

Interesting... (-1)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | about 2 years ago | (#41524803)

Someone mods me down but is unable to come up with a counter argument. Whose little foot did I tread on?

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41535229)

Some people can only see the past and maybe whats right in front of them. They are the people buying apple at $600 per share not $11.

Re:Makes sense (1)

jovius (974690) | about 2 years ago | (#41524937)

Well, Nokia Maps are available on all WP devices as an application, and one can install Nokia Maps to iPhone too - besides Apple advices the same: http://www.apple.com/letter-from-tim-cook-on-maps/ [apple.com] .

Re:Makes sense (1)

Eponymous Coward (6097) | about 2 years ago | (#41528179)

Nokia is still screwed. Maps are important, but in the end they are just another app on the phone and one great map app isn't enough to make up for the rest of the missing apps for Windows Phone. Nokia could win (ie survive) if they can build developer interest faster than Apple can build a map application. They might also do exceedingly well in certain verticals where employees don't get to choose their phone.

Apple is on a maps hiring spree right now. How long do you think it will take them to hire away the best Nokia developers?

Re:Makes sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41528727)

> Nokia needs to differentiate itself to survive

Copying it's competitors move for move (google maps on Android, apple maps on iphone) is not differentiation.

Catching up (0)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41522391)

Google Maps already has all these features, including walking directions that continue inside some buildings (big shops, stations etc.)

Re:Catching up (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522399)

but it's not available offline.

Re:Catching up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522487)

huh yes it is... you can save map parts... RTFM :P

Re:Catching up (4, Informative)

UngodAus (198713) | about 2 years ago | (#41522557)

Screw map parts, you can download map countries with Nokia's mapping solution, not just the current "navigation". The big differentiator with Nokia maps is the ability to operate without a data connection. Android can't do that yet (even with the saving feature).

Re:Catching up (1)

c (8461) | about 2 years ago | (#41524679)

> Android can't do that yet (even with the saving feature).

Weird. Offline navigation seemed to work last time I tried it.

Re:Catching up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41528095)

i use cyclestreet on android. with half a gig of storage i can download open street maps and have all of ireland and the uk on my phone and wifi only tablet.

nokias mapping solution which when i last used it required a windows pc to download the maps and a crappy dotnet app to do the downloading which for some stupid reason required a couple hundred megs of updates every few months when i ran it.

i'll stick with android thanks.

Re:Catching up (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 2 years ago | (#41529397)

right, because i need the entire map of north america eating up gigabytes on my device when i'll never use it. great differentiator there.

Re:Catching up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41530479)

You can also download by state. Honestly, I'd rather have the whole of England, including points of interest than just the last route I'd planned. This is especially relevant when you go on Holiday (to another country, you've heard of them, right?), and don't want to pay roaming charges.

Re:Catching up (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 2 years ago | (#41530559)

google lets you select a rectangle to cache. it doesn't just cache the route (although it does also cache routes automatically).

Re:Catching up (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 2 years ago | (#41522611)

In a pretty anaemic way. One of the reasons I use OSMAnd is that I can download an entire county's maps (as vector data, so they're not huge) and not have to pay roaming when I'm abroad. I also don't need to connect to a remote server (and pay data costs) when I want to find a route. Oh, and the map data is better in all of the places I've visited so far...

Re:Catching up (2)

ReeceTarbert (893612) | about 2 years ago | (#41523507)

In a pretty anaemic way. One of the reasons I use OSMAnd is that I can download an entire county's maps (as vector data, so they're not huge) and not have to pay roaming when I'm abroad. I also don't need to connect to a remote server (and pay data costs) when I want to find a route. Oh, and the map data is better in all of the places I've visited so far...

You can download maps for entire countries (plus voice guidance in several languages, with or without street names) with Nokia maps too -- for quite a few years now. Also, they can work completely offline, i.e. you could get by with GPS alone.

RT.

Re:Catching up (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 2 years ago | (#41524269)

Google Maps allow you to download maps and directions for offline viewing and has done for a while now.

Re:Catching up (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41528923)

It allows you to download a few patches of the map (IIRC it's something like 10 squares of up to 10x10 miles?). Nokia maps let you download maps of the whole country.

Also, even with precached maps, Google Maps require online connectivity for navigation. Nokia ones don't - once you preload, it can search for POI, navigate etc completely offline.

Re:Catching up (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 2 years ago | (#41529441)

Also, even with precached maps, Google Maps require online connectivity for navigation. Nokia ones don't - once you preload, it can search for POI, navigate etc completely offline.

that's nice, so nokia can go the way of the dedicated GPS device and become a supplier to a niche market. there are reasons why people aren't paying for dedicated GPS devices any longer. figuring the reasons for that is an exercise for the reader.

Re:Catching up (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41529971)

Except Nokia isn't a dedicated GPS device - it's still a smartphone, and does everything that you'd expect from one. And it also does everything you expect from an offline navigation device.

Oh, and by the way, people do still pay for those. Precisely because they actually need them to work offline, for those far range trips with poor coverage (and, in Europe and generally outside of US, to not pay insane data roaming charges).

Re:Catching up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522417)

And google has some credibility in the field

Re:Catching up (1)

Xest (935314) | about 2 years ago | (#41522591)

Was my first thought too, so effectively they're combining an inferior mapping system with an inferior search engine both of which lack the level of data Google has collected via street view etc. so effectively it's just going to be a shitter version of Google maps?

Competition is good but the problem is Google is so far ahead in terms of raw data collected and mined that it takes more than just simply screaming "Me too" then partnering some arbitrary mapping system with some arbitrary data source as Apple recently found out to it's detriment.

Re:Catching up (1)

ReeceTarbert (893612) | about 2 years ago | (#41522775)

So effectively they're combining an inferior mapping system

There's nothing inferior about Nokia's mapping system. In fact they've been in this business for several years. Look up NavTeq, a wholly owned subsidiary of Nokia, when you have time.

RT.

Re:Catching up (1)

Xest (935314) | about 2 years ago | (#41524179)

I was a long-term Nokia user up until I got an Android phone relatively recently, having use their phones since the 90s.

Honestly, their mapping system was always "okay", but it's not even close to Google maps so it absolutely is inferior. It was about the same level as TomTom's maps were on my SatNav - fine most the time, but not so great for finding individual premises, and more "wrong roads" than Google Maps.

Re:Catching up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41528819)

Since we're on anecdotes, Gmaps can't navigate for shit the times I've tried it. Nokia maps, on the other hand, has never failed me.

Re:Catching up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41535287)

I've lost count the number of times i've given up trying to use google maps while out and about and just drove around till i found it myself.

Re:Catching up (1)

Idbar (1034346) | about 2 years ago | (#41527737)

Glad you said that. Remember when Google used Navteq before it was acquired by Nokia? Yes, Nokia got all those products and worked off-line way before any other cellphone manufacturer.

Quite odd certain Slashdot readers don't know about that.

Nice timing! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522475)

. . . saved by the bell!

Crowdsourcing (1)

spectrokid (660550) | about 2 years ago | (#41522507)

Will they attempt crowdsourcing like Googles mapmaker? They have it available right now, but only for African countries. Google has shown it isn't easy. Mapmaker IMHO sucks. Edits I've done misteriously sissappeared after a few weeks live, and their cycle maps don't come anywhere near OpenStreetmap.

Re:Crowdsourcing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523517)

Will they attempt crowdsourcing like Googles mapmaker? They have it available right now, but only for African countries. Google has shown it isn't easy. Mapmaker IMHO sucks. Edits I've done misteriously sissappeared after a few weeks live, and their cycle maps don't come anywhere near OpenStreetmap.

Yes, they already have this, for certain areas.

http://maps.nokia.com/mapcreator/?ns=true

nokia (1)

lorainscott (2743459) | about 2 years ago | (#41522519)

Yeah. I have heard of it and really a success for the company.

Apple to the rescue? (1)

secondhand_Buddah (906643) | about 2 years ago | (#41522575)

Wouldn't it be funny if Apple bought Nokia, just for their mapping tech?

Re:Apple to the rescue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522653)

What and leave the billions of dollars of patents that apple has to pay them close to a billion a year for in royalties? Interestingly apple have already stated if you don't like the new maps, then you should use some one else's.

Re:Apple to the rescue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41526303)

Apple must buy Nokia. Not just for the mapping division, but the patents. They need counter measures to samsung and google, especially with the moto mobility deal. In reality, Microsoft is in the best position to buy the company. They already have a shill at the top.

Long time... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522585)

Erm, Nokia has been in this game for many years, just Apple and Google fanboys can't see anything other than Apple and Google....

Ian

Maybe I should try it on my N9 (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 2 years ago | (#41522673)

I have it on my N9, and have never even tried it yet. But now that there is so much hype about it, I guess I should take a look at it.

It is quite ironic, that an Apple recommendation would motivate me to use something on my Nokia.

Re:Maybe I should try it on my N9 (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 2 years ago | (#41524085)

N9 owner here. The software itself isn't at the same level (at least with PR 1.2) as it currently is on WP7 (and Symbian probably), but the maps are the same and you still get:

- Offline maps (online maps are also possible)
- Turn-by-turn navigation with text-to-speech (with multiple voices)
- A real distinction between pedestrian and car routes
- A satisfactory POI collection (probably not as good as google, though)
- Accurate maps
- Favorite locations can be synced with Nokia Maps for the browser

I welcome this (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | about 2 years ago | (#41522697)

I welcome this. Nokia makes this move to survive and to capture market share. The worst case result will be that other competitors will also improve. Nokia isn't in the position to be evil and so the good/evil discussions are pretty much moot for the time being.

My Swiss Franc still is on Google though.

Re:I welcome this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522731)

evil + evil + new evil (courtesy of Trojan MS Horse "ex-"MS Elop) = evil^3

Re:I welcome this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523081)

They became evil and they have failed.
So becoming even MORE eavil is not an option anymore.

NOKIA IS THE NEW UBUNTU !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41522877)

NnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooKKKKKiiiiiiaaaaa !!

Both from the arctic, and both destined for hell !! You wanna go for a riiiide ??

Reinventing the wheel (2)

yourtallness (1183449) | about 2 years ago | (#41522953)

Hurray, let's all map the planet multiple times!

Re:Reinventing the wheel (1)

oji-sama (1151023) | about 2 years ago | (#41523121)

They already have the maps and you can download them for offline navigation. As in, you can download the whole country and do the routing and searches offline.

Re:Reinventing the wheel (1)

tokul (682258) | about 2 years ago | (#41526867)

You are free to use Mercator [wikipedia.org] map, if Babylonian Imago Mundi is too heavy for you.

All this cool Nokia stuff (1)

Andrio (2580551) | about 2 years ago | (#41523581)

And I can't get excited about any of it making it to an Android smartphone.

Why did you make a Microsoft seed your CEO? :(

Re:All this cool Nokia stuff (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 2 years ago | (#41524109)

I'm sure Nokia would license Maps to anyone using Android. They're probably just not interested/bound by a gentlemen's agreement with Google/were intimidated by Google.

The **it will really hit the fan next year (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41523973)

When you can use gps enabled android devices to walk down or drive down the street using gps enable street view in real time. Maps are fine but what Google is doing is something completely different.

Otherwise sending photo cars all over the planet just does not make financial sense. Hook it into to their site advertising system and you have a largely advertising paid navigation system. Everybody else will eat Google's dust because of the money Google has already spent gathering the pictorial information, stitching it together and then putting in positioning context in a web accessible format. I would imagine that a paid version of the software that will street view navigation would be add free, but do not be surprised if within the next year you see something like this launched on Nexus, Samsungs and in some vehicles with the processor and navigation support. The do not be surprised if at the same time Google either buys into or somehow strategically partners in the satellite and cell/wifi tower business as well.

Scary stuff and no doubt there will be one tonne of shit from all the anti Google people and more shit like Apple suing Samsung and others. With Ford and others drinking the Microsoft coolaid do not be surprised if GM partners with Google and OnStar for something really amazing. ( though I would only use something like this while stopped ) [ranker.com] Looking at gps maps while driving is bad enough and has caused accidents, looking at actually photos of where you are going in real time is down right scary.

Nokia is going to have one hell of a hard time catching up but if the Microsoft and Apple sponsored fud doctors manage to get Google services banned from use while driving in the US they might have a chance at least in Fords and Hyundais.

Re:The **it will really hit the fan next year (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41525131)

They better have damn good cellphone reception.

Disagree, other solutions possible (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41526413)

Everybody else will eat Google's dust because of the money Google has already spent gathering the pictorial information

I disagree. A 3D overhead view, like both Apple and Nokia offer is a good alternative to street view.

I fact I would say it's slightly better. Why would you drive down the street "looking at street view". That's what you are seeing right now while driving!

An overhead 3D view gives you more a sense of what is around you, while still being able to make out details of buildings to find something exactly.

The 3D overhead view is much cheaper to generate, since it takes a few passes with planes (and a lot of computer time!) and you have covered a large region. For companies the size of Nokia or Apple that is an expense they can easily afford.

Re:Disagree, other solutions possible (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 2 years ago | (#41529503)

I disagree. A 3D overhead view, like both Apple and Nokia offer is a good alternative to street view.
I fact I would say it's slightly better. Why would you drive down the street "looking at street view". That's what you are seeing right now while driving!

street view and 3D maps serve different purposes, and google has both.

Not for me (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41529743)

street view and 3D maps serve different purposes

For me, I use them for exactly the same thing. To get an idea of where somewhere I am going looks like so I'll have a better chance of knowing when I am there or if I missed something.

What else would you use street view for?

Both improve over simple satellite view because you get a better sense of the height of things around and what the area will look like in person.

google has both.

So does the iPhone, there's an app that lets you access Street View images. In fact it's easier to use than Street View on the original iPhone Google Maps ever was.

Re:Not for me (1)

farble1670 (803356) | about 2 years ago | (#41529861)

For me, I use them for exactly the same thing. To get an idea of where somewhere I am going looks like so I'll have a better chance of knowing when I am there or if I missed something.

no 3D maps gives you anywhere close the detail you can get from street view. street view is actual high-res, omni-directional photos. 3D maps are either cartoon renderings of actual buildings or "3D-ized" versions of 2D maps.

can you read the address off the brown-colored house with the white picket fence and the the small pine tree in the front yard with 3D maps? no.

So does the iPhone, there's an app that lets you access Street View images.

right, so i have to download a 3rd party app and jump back and forth between the native maps and and the 3rd party app. sweet.

Re:Not for me (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41530203)

no 3D maps gives you anywhere close the detail you can get from street view.

I don't need that level of detail to see where I am going.

Apple's flyover view gives me enough detail to see what a storefront looks like. I don't need to be able to read the menu.

can you read the address off the brown-colored house

I don't need to because I can see the pin on the location. I just need to know what is there (and what is nearby).

right, so i have to download a 3rd party app

You claimed Google had 3D view also.

I didn't argue the point because to get 3D satellite image views on Android you currently can just download Google Earth...

And you don't have to jump anywhere in the Street View app, the app itself shows you Apple Maps, where you can point to any spot and say "Show me street view there".

And next, the wheel! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41524381)

Yes, I'm sure Nokia has a shot at doing mapping better than better than blah, blah, blah.

The point is that they MUST do it better than the competition because, as Apple Maps has shown, doing worse is not an option and doing it just as well is a recipe for failure.

Good luck to them on this SECOND TRY at maps.

FreeNAV for offline maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41530743)

OSM rocks. The data isn't perfect, but the price is right.
FreeNAV is the Android version. I've used maps in the USA and Europe. Sadly, when I was in Asia, South and Central America, I didn't know about FreeNAV.

It definitely isn't perfect, but I'll be damned if I'll ever give Nokia, Apple, Oracle, Microsoft and a few other mega-companies another dime on purpose.

Would definitely be dead without my helmet. (1)

ScienceMan (636648) | about 2 years ago | (#41534687)

I'd be dead without mine. Picture this: me moving about 30 miles per hour down a long straight hill in the Bay area, pedaling hard, and misjudging the light I see changing on the side street, I plow my bike full-on into the side of a car turning right in front of me. The 100+ feet of skid marks I left on the asphalt before correctly determining that I would not be able to stop were not enough to avoid the collision. About 30 feet before my bike slammed into the side of the vehicle, I stood up on the left side pedal, timed my departure, and pushed off, jumping from it in time to fly through the air just behind the car as my bike proceeded ahead. It was a cool day, and I had a jacket on. I sailed upside down, face up past the car and landed on my back and head, sliding along the ground on my jacket and helmet for a good 20 or 30 feet farther down the slope. I remember coming to rest and laying there for a while, then getting up to check the car and the accident site. I was fine, though a little shaken up. Traffic had stopped in each direction and people were swarming around the car. The driver got out, completely white. I looked at the dent and my bike, crumpled and considerably shorter than it had ever been from one end to the other. People said they had seen sparks when the collision happened. I told the driver, looking at the dent, "I'm sorry about your car." He said in a high voice, "Never mind about the car! Are you all right?" I said I was fine. I felt pretty wobbly, though, and someone took me the rest of the way home. Later, I took the bike into our local shop, which was a good one. The guy behind the counter turned around from the bike he was working on, and when he saw what I had carried in, he put down the wrench, came around the counter, put his hand on my shoulder and said firmly but gently, "My friend, that bike is history." I would be dead without my helmet. Bikes are not just for tooling around parks slowly, looking at the scenery. And even when you think they are, or just vehicles for ambling gently from place to place, things can turn ugly in an unexpected way very, very fast. Wear your helmet.

Re:Would definitely be dead without my helmet. (1)

ScienceMan (636648) | about 2 years ago | (#41534695)

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