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Apple iPad Mini Could Complicate Things For Windows 8 Tablets

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the or-keep-them-very-very-simple dept.

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Nerval's Lobster writes "Current rumor suggests that Apple is gearing up to unveil its iPad Mini Oct. 17, with invitations to media arriving Oct. 10. That's according to Fortune, which obtained the information from an unnamed Apple investor who, in turn, heard those dates from other unnamed sources. While that attribution might prove a bit too vaporous for some people, it does align with earlier reports from AllThingsD that Apple is planning to reveal a smaller iPad sometime in October. If those rumors prove accurate, the unveiling of an iPad Mini in that timeframe could prove very bad news for the upcoming Windows 8 tablets. (Gizmodo offers a pretty complete rumor rundown on the iPad Mini's possible features here.) Unlike the traditional PC market, Microsoft doesn't dominate the market for mobile-device operating systems. Windows 7 tablets never gained much of a toehold among tablet users, who prefer iPads and Android-based devices by wide margins. When it comes to Windows 8 (and Windows RT, the version of next-generation Windows for ARM architecture), Microsoft is starting out as the underdog."

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so? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530407)

so?

Re:so? (5, Funny)

busyqth (2566075) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530611)

Well I, for one, think it's a pretty big deal.
After all, it's not every day that Apple releases a new product, especially one with amazing, unheard-of new features like a smaller screen and more pocket-friendly dimensions.
Apple's best in class innovation wins the day yet again!

Re:so? (3, Interesting)

Oliver Wendell Jones (158103) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531193)

I'm just waiting for Apple to claim that they invented the concept of a ~7" tablet and that all of the ones that have been on the market for years are actually copying their design...

Re:so? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531597)

They won't, but they will have perfected it.

See tablets pre-iPad, and tablets post-iPad.

Re:so? (4, Funny)

psergiu (67614) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531631)

No, just the concept of 7.85" tablets. With a 2 minute-long movie in which Apple executives, on a white background, will describe the magic of those extra 0.85 inches.

Re:so? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531713)

I'm just waiting for Fandroids to claim that Apple claimed that they invented the concept of a ~7" tablet...

FTFY.

Re:so? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532429)

Your forgetting the rounded rectangles. It's always the rounded rectangles.

In fact, for a while, it seemed like it was rounded rectangles all the way down.

Re:so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531615)

"pocket-friendly dimensions"

Finally a use for cargo pants!

Re:so? (2)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531681)

I'm inclined to agree. I can't tell what's less interesting (even to an Apple fanboy), an iPad Mini or a Windows 8 Tablet. I really truly thought the only reason Apple was going this way is so that it'd be a remote for the rumored Apple branded TV.

I get that, but I don't get a 7inch tablet, especially when most of the iPad owners I know are also smartphone owners.

Re:so? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41532139)

Kids. Today kids all have/want iPods, tomorrow they will all have/want iPad minis.

Doesn't sound likely (3, Insightful)

ericloewe (2129490) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530455)

From what I've seen, Windows 8 tablets are focused on the 9-12 inch segment. I'd say the real threat posed by the iPad Mini is against the smaller stuff, like the small Kindle Fire (HD or not), Nexus 7 and similar hardware.

Re:Doesn't sound likely (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530489)

The speculated size is 7.85". Which puts it somewhere in-between. Microsoft's biggest tablet problem is that they haven't learned the HP TouchPad lesson... the only way to compete with Apple today is to massively undercut them on price. Microsoft hasn't even announced official Surface prices yet, but the early rumors suggested they might actually cost more than a full-size iPad.

Re:Doesn't sound likely (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530543)

I think the concern is that the iPad mini will steal the Slate's thunder and may come in cheaper than an iPad 2 which is $399. It would be a black eye for Microsoft if the flagship Windows 8 tablet fails to gain any traction in the marketplace.

Re:Doesn't sound likely (1)

Locutus (9039) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531171)

and Steve Ballmers comments about the pricing would follow them going for the high end of the market. Don't forget, netbooks dragged Microsoft kicking and screaming into the low end 'laptop' market. Once they sweet talked OEMs into using Microsoft's old and even a limited version for extremely low licensing and including marketing packages which most likely eliminated the OS "expense" for the OEM...Microsoft came out with Windows 7 for netbooks and pretty much killed that cheap netbook market.

Free or very cheap software is not what Microsoft wants to promote and since the dominant market for tablets is that which the iPad define that's what Microsoft will target. A small tablet by Apple will not complicate the Windows 8 tablet segment because there is no overlap for users. To complicate it, someone would have to be opting for a Windows 8 tablet( >9" size ) at iPad pricing and then opt for a much smaller iPad Mini instead for not much less. For a second there I thought it was a C/net article and just more promotional buzz for Windows 8 tablets.

LoB

Re:Doesn't sound likely (2)

Cassini2 (956052) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531571)

With falling hardware prices, Microsoft's ability to charge $200/computer (Windows+Office) for software is not supportable in the long-term. Customers will simply refuse to pay it.

People will pay a few percent of the unit price for software. After that point, it becomes very tough to sell bundled software. Microsoft has a massive lock-in on the Windows PC, however this lock in is not worth $200/unit * 500 million units/year, especially in expanding non-traditional markets like mobile phones.

Who fucking cares? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530461)

There is absolutely no story here. Nothing to even connect Microsoft and Apple.

"Competition from X could be bad for Y".

What a fucking wank fest this site is. Anyways, flame on, dopes.

Re:Who fucking cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530703)

But ... but ... it could "complicate 'things' " ..

By which I assume they mean:

"" 'Stuff' could happen."
Clearly, mistakes are being made ...

Re:Who fucking cares? (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531051)

This is just more of the same sort of "Apple is inevitable rah rah" kind of nonsense that has been perpetuated since the release of the iPad. Apple appears to be finally acknowledging a use case they tried to ignore. They are being dragged kicking and screaming by the market into releasing a product like what everyone else already has.

"Apple eats crow" would be a better headline for this situation (assuming it's even true).

Re:Who fucking cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531965)

And Apple is going to dominate this new 'use case' just like they do the rest of the tablet market. Apple may be about to eat crow, but they're going to get paid billions to do it.

Speaking of eating things, why don't you eat the corn niblets out of my shit.

Re:Who fucking cares? (2)

schlachter (862210) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531339)

Actually, if you replace the X with "Apple" and the Y with "Microsoft"...they seem pretty connected. You can't throw me off with your skillful use of variables in quotes!

Win8 (-1)

goombah99 (560566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530483)

The there's that name. Makes me think of urinate every time someone says it. Yeah it's silly and irrelevant. But now try to get that our of your head. I'm telling you it's an unfortunate problem.

pee on the wall. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530617)

or "Win8 on the Surface"

Re:Win8 (3, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530653)

The[sic] there's that name. Makes me think of urinate every time someone says it.

Probably best if I not tell you what I think when I hear the word 'pad'. -- Some woman

Re:Win8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531065)

Let me guess, you think of that cool intown studio apartment you got after moving out of your parents' suburban split level home, where you and your friends could chill out and drop some acid while listening to the grooviest tunes.

Re:Win8 (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530737)

Well, if you're going to shorten it, you can borrow W8 from me, that's what I've been calling it.

Re:Win8 (2)

Bigbutt (65939) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531177)

But I don't want to W8. I want it NOW.

(I actually installed W8 on a Virtual Machine to try it out. Not too pleased with the Mobile interface on my big monitor.)

[John]

Why cant i mod the story down? (5, Funny)

who_stole_my_kidneys (1956012) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530537)

I should be able to mod down the story so nobody has to read this garbage.

Re:Why cant i mod the story down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530629)

You missed your chance, pay more attention to the pending list.

Re:Why cant i mod the story down? (-1, Offtopic)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530675)

You can, it's called the Firehose. Now, mods, please mod me and the parent offtopic. Thx.

Re:Why cant i mod the story down? (1)

Hillgiant (916436) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531161)

*pfff* we have to have at least three Apple related stories a day so that all the karma whores can get in their Samsung >> Apple, lol round corners, and lawsuit jokes.

how? (0)

zlives (2009072) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530539)

imho

any one who wants an iPad, and can afford one will buy an iPad. Those that don't want an iPad (me included) would have made that decision based on some reason (whatever that might be). people that buy the w8tablet either are getting a good deal (priced) for holidays or know nothing about tablet technology... not because there is or isn;t a new iPad available.

thats just my thoughts

Re:how? (1)

zlives (2009072) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530569)

people that "want" to buy a tablet based on a specific software, i.e. Droid, IOS or win8 not included. Since they will buy what they actually want.

Re:how? (0)

narcc (412956) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530837)

Wait, so the only people who will buy Windows 8 tablets will either be those that are after a bargain tablet or those that don't know anything about tablets?

What a stupid thing to say. I'm more likely to buy a Windows 8 tablet over the two current leaders as iOS is garbage (really, I don't know how anyone puts up with it), and I don't care for Android (I don't like the clunky UI and hate the pitiful dev tools). I seriously doubt that I'm unique.

Really, a Windows 8 tablet on x86 is rather compelling for technical users as well as home and business users.

What's wrong with Windows 8 that you think customers will run screaming from the platform? If iOS, Android, and Windows 8 were the only three options, there's no real reason to go with the current market leaders other than being heavily invested in those other ecosystems.

Re:how? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530919)

Absolutely. And I'd like a computer that can be used as a desktop when it's appropriate, and a tablet or (better, given how big most "serious" tablets are) phone at other times.

I'm hoping Ubuntu is able to partner with CyanogenMod or some similar group at some point to put out their Ubuntu for Android thing.

Re:how? (1)

zlives (2009072) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530951)

"people that "want" to buy a tablet based on a specific software, i.e. Droid, IOS or win8 not included. Since they will buy what they actually want."
my original comment was made for general consumer's purchasing stand point, since the article insinuated that win8 buyers will switch to iPad.

you are entirely correct in saying that "being heavily invested in those other ecosystems" and that is the real issue MS has to deal with, late as they are to the market.

Re:how? (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531013)

A lack of apps buggers up the ARM version and a radical interface change isn't going to help sell the x86 desktop version.

Re:how? (1, Funny)

cpu6502 (1960974) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531079)

>>>What a stupid thing to say. I'm more likely to buy a Windows 8 tablet over the two current leaders as iOS is garbage (really, I don't know how anyone puts up with it), and I don't care for Android (I don't like the clunky UI and hate the pitiful dev tools). I seriously doubt that I'm unique.

Probably not unique given your current location (Washington, near Seattle, Microsoft cubicle). ;-)

Re:how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531653)

Seriously.

Who bitches about dev tools on a tablet? STFU and GTFO.

We can only hope... (5, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530567)

Would it be poor taste to sneak a large Steve Jobs poster onto the outside of Apple's release venue, with his quotes on 7 inch tablets?

"If you take an iPad and hold it upright in portrait view and draw an imaginary horizontal line halfway down the screen, the screens on the seven-inch tablets are a bit smaller than the bottom half of the iPad display. This size isn't sufficient to create great tablet apps in our opinion.
Well, one could increase the resolution of the display to make up for some of the difference. It is meaningless, unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of the present size. Apple's done extensive user-testing on touch interfaces over many years, and we really understand this stuff. There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick, or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps."

Re:We can only hope... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530609)

People have spent quite a bit of time on this already, and if their math is right, the table will actually be 7.85" with a 1024x768 resolution. Why are they so sure of that size? Because it provides the same touch area target sizes as used by the iPhone/iPod. Moving close to 8" also makes a big difference.

Re:We can only hope... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530897)

He's right, though. The screen size they chose was well researched. For full-hand operation the 10 inch screen size works very well. The did, you know, create the tablet as we know it. (Go ahead. Mod me down for speaking the unpopular truth.) If apple sees sufficient market demand they'll release a 7-8inch device, but they aren't going to do it because everyone else is.

B&N and amazon have carved out a good niche in the market. Smaller, cheaper, reading oriented devices are popular. Today I would not be surprised to see apple entering this segment. Two years ago? Most certainly not.

Re:We can only hope... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531117)

They may have "created the tablet as we know it" but my local iFan and early adopter has dumped her iPad because the 7 inch form factor suited her better. Also, all of the scare mongering about Android was nonsense.

It turns out that Apple is not infallible after all.

So all of your attempts to fellate the designers at Apple are moot.

Re:We can only hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531719)

Oh wow, the iPad size wasn't appropriate for one person.

Fellate yourself.

Re:We can only hope... (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530935)

The thing is, they are not interested in creating great apps. They just want to sell the hardware.

Re:We can only hope... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530973)

The same arrogant doofus who originally said that also produced a 4 inch display phone with touch. So apparently they figured out how to do that as it has been a very successful product. I never understood his problem with something in between the two successful products the iPhone and the iPad. I have an original Kindle Fire and a Nexus 7 and I am very happy with the 7 inch form factor. If I was inclined towards the Apple ecosystem I would certainly consider and probably purchase an iPad mini. I imagine a lot of other people would too.

Re:We can only hope... (2)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531055)

Steve said a lot of things. What he meant was "we're working on something like that but we don't want to show our hand so we're going to be publicly dismissive of it."

Re:We can only hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41532333)

And his best quote yet: 7" tablets are dead on arrival.

Meh (5, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530615)

If the rumours are true and judging by the lack of innovation with the iPhone 5 it seems likely that the iPad Mini won't be anything special. Gizmodo seems to be expecting a sub-HD screen, the same as the iPhone, and fairly pedestrian hardware specs. iOS 6 is already out so we know what to expect from that.

Their competitors are doing things like split screen multitasking at a price point it seems unlikely Apple will be able to match (the iPod Touch is $300).

Re:Meh (1)

moonwatcher2001 (2710261) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530783)

Their competitors are doing things like split screen multitasking at a price point it seems unlikely Apple will be able to match (the iPod Touch is $300).

That's not a given. Before the original iPad came out people thought it would cost $700-$800 but it was $499. The iPod Touch you refer to is 32GB Making the base iPad mini 16GB would save some money

Re:Meh (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531143)

The peanut gallery was expecting a MacOS tablet rather than an over sized iPod. That shocker is over and done with and the market has shifted. Apple doesn't have another rabbit to pull here.

Re:Meh (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532153)

Sure they do. They can make a 7' Tablet that doesn't run iOS, but rather runs MacOS. ;)

Re:Meh (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532391)

If they also sell it for $200, it sounds like a plan.

1. Sell it for $200.
2. Wait for CEOs of all competing companies to die from a heart stroke (shouldn't take more than a day).
3. PROFIT!

Re:Meh (0)

MogNuts (97512) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530793)

Agreed. Plus as someone elsewhere posted, anyone who wants an iPad, has one. Besides:

Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc. (limited to what a intel HD 4000 that can play)

iPad: iOS apps. Limited feature, buggy, crashes alot apps. Yay.

Re:Meh (3, Funny)

Threni (635302) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531025)

> Agreed. Plus as someone elsewhere posted, anyone who wants an iPad, has one.

So tomorrow iPad sales will be zero? How about the day after that? Next year?

Re:Meh (3, Interesting)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531737)

Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc. (limited to what a intel HD 4000 that can play)

Yeah, that sold well last time around. When they called them WinXP tablets.

Re:Meh (1)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532175)

Hey, I bought one of those and a Vista tablet. It was OK, I was dreaming that I could do quick and easy demo with clients or better Photoshopping. Yeah, that didn't exactly happen. It was stylus was inaccurate and viewing angle was too bad for working with clients across the table.

So MSFT sold at least two windows licenses to suckers like me.

Speaking of tablets, had so much hope for the OQO. I might try to buy one to add to my collection of relic computing. I can put it next to my 3dfx Voodoo 5500, Rendition V1000, HP Jornada, HP iPaq, Handspring Visor, SB Live and a SCSI controller.

Homework (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531911)

Win 8 tablet: apps to use, plus a *real* OS when I need it. Tired of using bullshit dataviz office on the go? Fire up MS Office 2010. Don't want to play bullshit touch games? Fire up Dead Space, Mass Effect, etc.

Please explain why that approach will suddenly work now when it failed for about a decade straight before Apple introduced the iPad.

iPad: iOS apps. Limited feature
It's called "focused" and is why Apple has sold tens of millions to date. Odd how people appreciate well written software that tries to solve a specific problem.

Re:Meh (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531123)

If people are concerned about size why would it have to be more innovative than the bigger ipad? it just needs to be the right size for you. I would imagine for a lot of people this isn't a replacement for the larger ipad. It's for people who don't want the large one.

Want bigger, not smaller! (3, Interesting)

busyqth (2566075) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530645)

Where's my ~14" A4/Letter sized tablet? Give me a full sized page of text please.

Re:Want bigger, not smaller! (4, Funny)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530777)

I'm sure Apple's working on it. It will be called the iPad Maxi.

Re:Want bigger, not smaller! (1)

Stickerboy (61554) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531217)

I'm sure Apple's working on it. It will be called the iPad Maxi.

Too many syllables, not enough flow. I think switching it around and calling it the "Max iPad" is much more elegant.

Win8 tablets are vapor (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530667)

The promise of winRT is really MS office on a tablet. And nothing else. Windows 8 brings NOTHING else to the table that iOS or android doesn't already do better.

So, office.
Not some BS cloud hybrid, actual fully functional office. Excel, word, access, the whole nine yards.

Also not some BS psudo-laptop hybrid device that Microsoft has been failing to sell for a literal decade. An actual real tablet with a functional touch interface, long battery life, instant on, app store, all that. You know, like apple sells. Or something running andriod.

Here is why you will never buy a windows 8 tablet:
Office on Arm is a lie. Microsoft will never be able to port the full office suite to arm because the codebase is so bloated with decades-old windows specific bloat. You will never see a winRT port of office that you could ever call functional.

The alternative? One of those new custom "windows only" intel SoCs. - These tablets will never sell well. They'll cost 899, weigh twice as much, have a boatload of carryover pc-isims that will make them useless as actual tablets, and will run maybe an hour and a half before running down their battery. And intel based windows tablet will never be as functional as an arm based one.

Complicate? (3, Insightful)

mitchell_pgh (536538) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530677)

I would argue that it does considerably more than simply complicate things. The iPad mini will show that Apple can create and expand upon a range of high quality devices on what is essentially a single platform. It's all about the ecosystem that you can buy today vs. Microsoft's ever persistent promises of a better tomorrow. While that may be an oversimplification, most end users just want something that works, looks great, and makes their lives easier. Currently, I don't see that with Windows outside of the traditional desktop experience.

Re:Complicate? (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530993)

The Windows ecosystem is vast, and a lot of business users in particular will love being able to run MS Office on their tablets. Microsoft's biggest advantage is always software compatibility.

Re:Complicate? (2)

ilsaloving (1534307) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531345)

Except that the ARM based devices won't be able to tap that ecosystem *at all*, and the x86 based devices are priced so high that the only people that will buy them are the ones that have a very specific need such as a tablet that ties into Active Directory.

Re:Complicate? (2, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532355)

Microsoft's biggest advantage to date is simply "Windows". Microsoft is a "windows" company, that is what they sell and support. Everything is built on, around and for windows (including Xbox btw). That is also their Achilles' Heal.

They cannot or will not support, fully, other devices and OSes. Nobody wants Windows 8 except a few. There is a huge market for Office Support on other products that is being filled by other people, not Microsoft. They will never make that market, because it isn't "Windows".

Windows 8 is too late, and still nobody has seen it in the wild on a Tablet. Meanwhile iOS is changing (getting smaller) and Android has completely caught up to iPads. I was at Walmart last night (cheap DVDs) and saw the sales guy talking about iPads and Nexus 7" to a lady that bought the Nexus 7". It was a better fit, and a price point that Apple can't match. They are getting eaten alive at the bottom.

Meanwhile, Microsoft has NOTHING. Not the High End (going away), nor at the low end (Nexus 7") They have no place to go.

Re:Complicate? (1)

schlachter (862210) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531349)

I was with you until the last sentence. Let me help you out.

I would argue that it does considerably more than simply complicate things. The iPad mini will show that Apple can create and expand upon a range of high quality devices on what is essentially a single platform. It's all about the ecosystem that you can buy today vs. Microsoft's ever persistent promises of a better tomorrow. While that may be an oversimplification, most end users just want something that works, looks great, and makes their lives easier. Currently, I don't see that with Windows.

This wont effect Windows RT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530693)

It's been 11 years since the first iPod was release and the general public's raging erection for Apple devices has still not been satisfied. Windows RT wouldn't stand a chance even if Apple shutdown tomorrow. Releasing a new device wont make Microsoft fail any harder than they already are.

But Steve said no. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530697)

Didn't Steve Jobs say publicly that a tablet any smaller than the iPad is useless as a tablet and if its bigger than the iPhone its useless as a phone, aiming directly at the 7" Android tablets hitting the market?

Re:But Steve said no. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530791)

Yes... But you know... This guy is dead (breaking news)

Re:But Steve said no. (1)

busyqth (2566075) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530801)

Didn't Steve Jobs say publicly that a tablet any smaller than the iPad is useless as a tablet and if its bigger than the iPhone its useless as a phone, aiming directly at the 7" Android tablets hitting the market?

Yes, but concurrent with the release of the iPad Mini, Apple will be releasing the $99 iFile fingertip filer accessory so that eager users will be able to use the smaller screen more accurately. For $100 extra, the iFile Pro will include a bluetooth interface and 500MB extra RAM.

Re:But Steve said no. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530859)

and the exact quote

If you take an iPad and hold it upright in portrait view and draw an imaginary horizontal line halfway down the screen, the screens on the seven-inch tablets are a bit smaller than the bottom half of the iPad display. This size isn't sufficient to create great tablet apps in our opinion.

Well, one could increase the resolution of the display to make up for some of the difference. It is meaningless, unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of the present size. Apple's done extensive user-testing on touch interfaces over many years, and we really understand this stuff. There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick, or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps.

Third, every tablet user is also a smartphone user. No tablet can compete with the mobility of a smartphone, its ease of fitting into your pocket or purse, its unobtrusiveness when used in a crowd. Given that all tablet users will already have a smartphone in their pockets, giving up precious display area to fit a tablet in our pockets is clearly the wrong trade-off. The 7-inch tablets are tweeners, too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with an iPad.

Fourth, almost all of these new tablets use Android software, but even Google is telling the tablet manufacturers not to use their current release, Froyo, for tablets, and to wait for a special tablet release next year. What does it mean when your software supplier does not (inaudible) to use their software in your tablet? And what does it mean when you ignore them and use it anyway?

Fifth, iPad now has over 35,000 apps on the App Store. This new crop of tablets will have near zero. And sixth and last, our potential competitors are having a tough time coming close to iPad's pricing, even with their far smaller, far less expensive screens. The iPad incorporates everything we have learned about building high value products from iPhones, iPods, and Macs. We create our own A4 chip, our own software, our own battery chemistry, our own enclosure, our own everything. And this results in an incredible product at a great price. The proof of this will be in the pricing of our competitor's products, which will likely offer less for more.

These are among the reasons we think the current crop of 7-inch tablets are going to be DOA, dead on arrival. Their manufacturers will learn the painful lesson that their tablets are too small and increase the size next year, thereby abandoning both customers and developers who jumped on the 7-inch bandwagon with an orphan product. Sounds like lots of fun ahead.

Re:But Steve said no. (1)

flargleblarg (685368) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530939)

Didn't Steve Jobs say publicly that a tablet any smaller than the iPad is useless as a tablet and if its bigger than the iPhone its useless as a phone, aiming directly at the 7" Android tablets hitting the market?

Of course he did. It's called misdirection.

Re:But Steve said no. (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531141)

The guy is dead too. I suspect he wouldn't have released the maps app in iOS6 ln its current state and yet that has happened.

Re:But Steve said no. (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531705)

Yes. Last time Apple was without Steve it nearly went bankrupt.

I'll just wait for the book titled "How Tim Cook destroyed a $100,000,000,000 company"

Plant (3, Interesting)

MogNuts (97512) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530733)

Always nice to know that Apple plant's stories (or exposes the media bias). I love how everytime some big iPad killer is announced, *someone* posts a story about the iPad mini. Remember the Nexus 7 launch? One week later there was a iPad mini that proved to be vaporware. At least this time it's BEFORE the launch of Win 8, so we'll see it was just a plant story of vaporware.

Re:Plant (4, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531115)

Always nice to know that Apple plant's stories (or exposes the media bias). I love how everytime some big iPad killer is announced, *someone* posts a story about the iPad mini. Remember the Nexus 7 launch? One week later there was a iPad mini that proved to be vaporware. At least this time it's BEFORE the launch of Win 8, so we'll see it was just a plant story of vaporware.

So Apple must have planted these stories even though their official stance has been "We don't comment on upcoming products." All the while they are orchestrating some media campaign to discredit competing devices (which they don't really compete against anyways). Or the other plausible explanation is that in the vacuum of real information, many fans endlessly speculate on upcoming products? If you want FUD campaigns, see what MS was doing in the 80s and 90s. The problem for MS is that it doesn't work any more.

As a consuming device (1)

thammoud (193905) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530803)

Microsoft and Android will have to fight a serious uphill battle against iPad. I have an iPad and love it to read material but as content creator (Even simple emails), it sucks. The market is wide open to fill the content creation gap.

OMFG!!! New Apple iPad Mini!!! (2)

logicassasin (318009) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530847)

... quietly, somewhere at the Apple offices all records of and references to the iPod Touch are being destroyed.

please, let it be so (0)

swschrad (312009) | about a year and a half ago | (#41530895)

windows 8 is such a silly canard, such a rollup of scraps from under the counters at Microsoft, that a damn good whipping from Apple in all formats availiable is probably the only thing that can shake Microsoft's culture up. I think they're still capable of good stuff, Kinect as an example of taking thousands of dollars technology down to the price point of a really good controller. and it works well.

problem is, Microsoft is so anal about the DOS and NT userbases that they're trying to badly preserve them in a throwback visually to Presentation Manager. they need to fork their efforts. dying tech, over there... our Shiny New Thing that goes past IOS/Android, over here. arm-wrestle in the market, folks, and winner gets the development funding.

oh, and a bunch of "we always did it this way" guys would get fired and fade out of the picture.

Re:please, let it be so (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531241)

> oh, and a bunch of "we always did it this way" guys would get fired and fade out of the picture.

That's what Microsoft needs to be relevant again, but I really don't see it happening. There'd have to be a significant shake-up in upper management to make it happen. And the problem there is, the people doing the shaking are the people who need to be shook.

Why is apple targeting women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41530991)

the new Mini Pad, the current Maxi Pad, not to mention the Tam Pod.
I know they tried to market to the elderly with the shuffle.
Why can't apple make anything that a real man can be seen carrying with out some shame?

Re:Why is apple targeting women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531379)

2010 called - they want their stupid jokes back.

Re:Why is apple targeting women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531747)

Because anyone who knows who he(or she for that matter) is doesn't actually care if they are seen doing something or holding something that doesn't fit the gender/your stereotypes? In short grow a pair and buy an iPad if you want it or save your money for something else.

A pox on both their houses (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531211)

Between us, I suspect that whatever Apple chooses to do will wipe the floor with whatever Windows 8 ends up being, but I have a hard time making myself care either way.

Naw, not at all (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531233)

iPad Mini market is clearly for home users looking for an entertainment platform.

Windows 8 tablets are aimed squarely at the enterprise crowd.

Simply put, iPad has had a slow adoption into the enterprise world due to a real lack of compatibility with the Microsoft systems STILL IN HEAVY usage in enterprise. People can shit on Microsoft all they want for no longer capturing the consumer market, but Microsoft is still king in enterprise. People bring an iPad into the office expecting a large amount of compromise in functionality, and tolerate it because they are driving to finding a way to make iPad work in the office.

However it is a far more natural progression for enterprise users to get a Windows tablet the blends seamlessly with their office environment. In fact I suspect that WIndows 8 Tablets will truly mark the end of the "PC" era as enterprise users swap out desktops for tablets. The only reason for PC's to exist today is mostly to support enterprise workstations.

iPad Mini is not an enterprise product.

Sure if MIcrosoft is hoping to open up their market share in consumer electronics, Windows 8 will find it hard to compete with any iDevice, but even then there will be more variety and price points of Windows 8 tablets then Apple products, as has been historically for the entire history of Microsoft and Apple. Once again Microsoft is entering a market where Apple makes expensive niche products and Microsoft will focus on more value mainstream products. Just that this time around Apple's "niche" is significantly larger.

Don't be mistaken, Apple is VERY worried about the release of a Microsoft tablet product, just like they are worried about Android phones. Remember that for every iSheeple that must have everything Apple, there many more people that can't stand Apple or at least want to have more value conscious choices. Microsoft is poised to offer an alternative that is more easily adoptable by enterprise users and more attractive to value conscious consumers in the long run.

Re:Naw, not at all (2)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about a year and a half ago | (#41531587)

Yes enterprise users will switch in a heartbeat from 19in dual screen set ups to single 7" screen tablets *rolls eyes*

Isn't an iPad mini kinda redundant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531699)

After all, the main difference between a iPhone and an iPad is the size... so isn't an iPad Mini really just an iPhone?

Disagree. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531755)

Different market. Windows 8 tablets will be focused on actually being productive with a tablet - a laptop or ultrabook replacement. An ipad mini will be the same as everything else apple has on the market...great to check facebook and look at photos but that's about it.

Re:Disagree. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41531983)

Yeah, because Microsoft did so well with that concept the past year they were shoving it down people's throats.

Microsoft Mythconception (0)

pubwvj (1045960) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532131)

"Unlike the traditional PC market, Microsoft doesn't dominate the market for mobile-device operating systems."

This is a widely promoted mythconception. The reality is Microsoft doesn't really dominate the real PC market anywhere nearly as much as they claim. Most of those Microsoft Windows based PCs are actually doing boring tasks like cash registers, data entry, surveillance, systems control, etc. They aren't being used by people for more creative tasks. The Mac dominates the market for the real people work. Microsoft does the boring stuff. Sadly, Microsoft does it badly.

the tree nobody heard fall (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41532197)

Windows 8 for tablets is a non- event anyway. Whatever apple does or doesn't do, Windows will be ignored in the mobile space.

underdog? (2)

Sir Holo (531007) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532287)

FTA: ...Microsoft is starting out as the underdog."

That's a strange way to put it.

More accurate would be "...Microsoft has been unsuccessful in its more than 15 years of attempts at the mobile platform, despite its dominance in other sectors during that time."

Microsoft will accomplish something (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532437)

Microsoft's efforts will at least accomplish something worthwhile: force Apple and Google to recognize the need for real applications like LibreOffice on tablets as opposed to just forcing users to accept a steady diet of media consumption and lightweight apps.

The goal posts are moving (1)

high_rolla (1068540) | about a year and a half ago | (#41532441)

If in fact Apple does release a smaller iPad then I think this will actually be quite significant with respect to MS and Win8. Given the popularity of other smaller tablets released recently such as the Kindle and the Nexus it shows that the market is moving (or rather expanding) to accommodate this new form factor. But it doesn't look to me like Win8 will play nice at this scale (just my opinion, I could be wrong). So just as MS finally get's something possibly credible onto the market the market has shifted to something else.

So it could be that Apple still doesn't believe the smaller form factor is better than the 10" size but is happy to play along as it would quite aggravate MS.
Regarding Jobs' comments regarding the 7" screens, I believe he may have been right at the time but our UI design skills for tablets have improved now which may mitigate those points. The industry moves so quickly that a lot of comments many people make are true at the time given what was viable then but become less relevant as we learn more.

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