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Microsoft Reportedly Launching Its Own Windows Phone Smartphone

Unknown Lamer posted about 2 years ago | from the nokia-shareholders-gather-with-pikes dept.

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zacharye writes "When Microsoft announced earlier this year that it will launch an own-brand tablet to compete directly with its various vendor partners working on Windows 8-based tablet PCs of their own, there was some backlash. Privately — and sometimes even publicly — long-time Microsoft partners took it as an attack on their businesses and questioned why Microsoft would be so brazen. But with nowhere else to turn thanks to Windows' overwhelming PC dominance, these vendors had no choice but to continue developing Windows 8 devices and compete directly with their software supplier. Though events may play out a bit differently in the smartphone market, where Microsoft has yet to stage the comeback it promised two years ago, BGR has learned that the Redmond, Washington-based company plans to release its own Windows Phone 8 smartphone in the coming months."

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190 comments

Hey, works for Apple (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540209)

And Microsoft has always loved doing what works for Apple.

Re:Hey, works for Apple (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 2 years ago | (#41540777)

If something works for Apple, there is no reason for Microsoft to ignore it.

I can understand Microsoft may be frustrated with partners not following through on a long term strategy. They had success establishing their own gaming console, maybe they can do the same with tablets and phones. It's not like there is a huge base of third party manufacturers in these categories already using Microsoft products to piss off.

Re:Hey, works for Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540897)

If something works for Apple, there is no reason for Microsoft to ignore it.

Yeah, cargo cult [wikipedia.org] engineering is always a sure bet right? *cough*zune*cough* Right??

Re:Hey, works for Apple (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#41541267)

Long term strategy? Really? What long term strategy, I'm sure partners WOULD LOVE to know in stead of waiting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for Microsoft to get its act together, you know like Nokia.....

Re:Hey, works for Apple (3, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | about 2 years ago | (#41540817)

Just like a little kid who has been dropped on his head way too many times and then decides to try to be cool by copying what the cool kid is doing, but can only do so in the most craptastic way.

Microsoft. Because We're Special.(tm)

Re:Hey, works for Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540959)

Just like a little kid who has been dropped on his head way too many times and then decides to try to be cool by copying what the cool kid is doing, but can only do so in the most craptastic way.

Microsoft. Because We're Special.(tm)

So iSheep is just as much of an A$$H0L3 as Apple. Yeah lets make fun of kids that have developmental problems to bash a company we don't like. Apple is not cool, its a bully and like all bullies its days are numbered. If you think you are cool because you a willing to shell out cash for some bling you are not you are just a poser.

Re:Hey, works for Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541329)

butt-hurt much

Re:Hey, works for Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540849)

Apple doesn't sell their operating system to other hardware vendors.

You're comparing apples with bananas, so to say.

Re:Hey, works for Apple (1)

Pope (17780) | about 2 years ago | (#41540977)

Yes, all those iOS licensees out there welcome each new iPhone as a healthy competitor.

Re:Hey, works for Apple (1)

SuperTechnoNerd (964528) | about 2 years ago | (#41541185)

Yes but that horse already left the barn. Poor Microsoft, riding on apples coattails again..

Re:Hey, works for Apple (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#41541487)

And sadly that is EXACTLY what we are gonna get. No more open Windows platform to build on, you have the Apple walled garden or the Ersatz Apple walled garden...wonderful.

I have never more openly and fervently hoped a company would fail like I want MSFT to fail now, maybe if Ballmer shits enough money down the toilet we'll get lucky and the board will revolt and bring someone in who can do something other than ape Apple poorly, as that seems to be the ONLY strategy Ballmer knows. How pathetic and sad.

huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540211)

That's good to know. Will the Windows Phone Smartphone be based on Personal PC Computer technology, or will they be copying Apple's iPhone Smartphone phone?

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540215)

Microsoft's engineering management will fuck it up.
Look at what they did to Danger.

Re:Who cares? (5, Interesting)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41541203)

yeah it's funny...

Andy Rubin starts two companies, Danger and Android.

Danger is acquired by Microsoft. Microsoft massively botches the release of Danger's product and it dies a quick, horrific death.

Android is acquired by Google. Google releases Android to massive acclaim and goes on to widely displace the then dominant leader, Apple's iPhone.

Interesting contrast isn't it?

Microsoft Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540223)

Microsoft designed. Windows OS. Lame.

Re:Microsoft Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540517)

Any more lame than a 6 year old stale iOS (With broken maps, broken camera, chipped out of the box, etc)? or Fragmented Android OS (With vendor crap baked in and updates years after release - if ever)? Or whatever in the hell Blackberry has become?

Any different than Apple selling Phone + OS and Computer + OS? Or Google selling the Nexus (Phone + OS) and ChromeOS (not that I see it gaining any kind of traction)?

Hate MS all you want... Apple is every bit the "Big Bad Corporation" now as well (and has been long before the messiah passed away). So is Google.

Personally, this Anon trusts Google and MS more than I'd ever trust Apple. Fuckin turtle-necked hippies.

Re:Microsoft Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540613)

Judging by the XBox 360, it will fall part the day after warranty and will require a class action lawsuit* to acknowledge the design defect. Just yesterday I had another rechargeable controller battery die out and refuse to recharge, and a second controller I purchased just a few months ago has developed a permanent "up" tilt on one of the sticks.

* the right to form a class action lawsuit now conveniently waived, mind you.

Re:Microsoft Phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540815)

Funny you mention updates... Sent from Windows Phone 7

Re:Microsoft Phone (0, Troll)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41541305)

Any more lame than a 6 year old stale iOS (With broken maps, broken camera, chipped out of the box, etc)?

Since none of those things are true - yes.

Quite a bit more lame.

Not as lame as tired disproven Apple Hater arguments in a story they don't even belong in.... Those are pretty lame.

Death of Nokia announced... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540233)

Film at 11...

Yes, but (3, Funny)

swanzilla (1458281) | about 2 years ago | (#41540273)

Will it run Linux?

Re:Yes, but (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 2 years ago | (#41540509)

You betcha somebody will put CyanogenMod on it.
If the HW is good it might even be worth it.

Re:Yes, but (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#41541163)

Will it run Linux?

Only hosted in Hyper-V. But you'll have to use the more expensive i7 CPU version to get reasonable performance.

Not interested..... (1)

abhi2012 (2739367) | about 2 years ago | (#41540287)

Get Skype on a Windows mobile and I will consider.....

Re:Not interested..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540353)

skype is already on windows phone

Re:Not interested..... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41540389)

I do not believe it yet accepts incoming calls when the app is not open. That makes it pretty pointless.

http://www.wpcentral.com/understanding-skype%E2%80%99s-limitations-windows-phone [wpcentral.com]

Microsoft says they are working to change the way skype works so they can work better with it. Which is the wrong way to solve the issue. Fix your OS not demand others to change their applications that work everywhere else.

Re:Not interested..... (3, Informative)

SydShamino (547793) | about 2 years ago | (#41540749)

Microsoft owns Skype. In that context your last sentence doesn't make any sense.

Re:Not interested..... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540953)

Which makes it doubly sad. Their own software isn't worth a fuck on their own OS when it works fine everywhere else. What a fucking joke.

Re:Not interested..... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41541075)

Sure it does, skype works on everything else as it stands. The fact that they own it just means they should have seen this coming.

It just points out how bad they really are doing.

Re:Not interested..... (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41540357)

I thought WinPhone had some tech limits to doing that sort of thing well? Does WinPhone 8 fix that?

My understanding was you had to use their message system to the phone to launch your app instead of letting it run as a service in the bankground.

Zune, anyone ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540297)

These idiots JUST DON'T GET IT.

For a measly $500K per year I could save them many millions, simply by telling
them what they are not good at doing.

Re:Zune, anyone ? (4, Funny)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#41540521)

Pretty sure they can get that for free by reading Slashdot comments.

Re:Zune, anyone ? (1)

zlives (2009072) | about 2 years ago | (#41541341)

+1 funny
same goes for (insert company here)

Had to see that coming (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41540299)

With Microsoft building Surface, it was inevitable they would branch into building other hardware too.

Microsoft's mobile future is too important to Microsoft to leave it entirely to third parities.

It'll be interesting to see how Microsoft manages to make this balance work, although Google seems to be doing fine so far with Nexus devices vs. what everyone else sells. In that regards there's not much third parties can do, since both Google and Microsoft compete against them it's a wash.

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41540421)

The Nexus phones are made by an Android vendor not by google. They also do a good job of spreading the love around. HTC made the first few and now Samsung has made the Galaxy Nexus. Much different than building your own hardware and competing directly

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41540505)

That is somewhat different, but still competes against all the other vendors. And of course Motorola Mobility (which Google owns) still makes the Droid line, which is wholly competition...

Re:Had to see that coming (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541019)

And of course Motorola Mobility (which Google owns) still makes the Droid line, which is wholly competition...

Stick to your iFawning dumbass. Droid is a trademark licensed by Verizon and applies to HTC phones too. Jeez, you'd think as much as your head is up Android's ass with your usual douchebaggery hate spewing you'd have sense enough to know that.

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41541209)

I was unaware, as I'm not closely following the 2nd tier Android handset makers carefully, but have parsed enough factual data from your obscenity laced rant to file away for future reference.

Thanks!

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41541095)

Droid is a verizon thing. HTC and Samsung have made droid labeled devices.

Google owns Motorola, but they don't play favorites with it. I don't see it being an issue because of that.

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41541497)

I wasn't aware other makers also maid Droids, interesting.

But I wasn't claiming Google was playing favorites with Motorola, just that it was more direct competition for handset makers than HTC producing a nexus, and that hardware vendors were living with that already. So Microsoft doing the same thing should have no impact on the desire of third party handset makers to also build WP8 units.

Re:Had to see that coming (4, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | about 2 years ago | (#41540451)

Google seems to be doing fine so far with Nexus devices vs. what everyone else sells.

Depends. Is Microsoft designing and having the device manufactured entirely on their own, or are they working with an existing Windows Phone vendor on it?

All of Google's Nexus devices are prominently done by one of their OHA members (HTC, Samsung, ASUS, etc.) and that's probably one reason there's never been a whisper about the Nexus program. By contrast, with Surface Microsoft bypassed all of their OEMs and is going head to head with them.

Maybe this is the kick in the pants MS needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540573)

Now, when MS shifts directions in the mobile phone market, they leave their HW makers drowning in their wake [cnet.com] . If MS is in the HW biz themselves, then they'll have to think harder, else they'll be shooting themselves in the foot.

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41540675)

We are yet to see Google's Motorola strategy. I would expect the manufactures to get nervous as early as the first Motorola phone release.

Re:Had to see that coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541035)

You dumbass. MM has been releasing phone after phone after phone since Google took over. What kind of dope are you smoking over there and how about sharing it?

Re:Had to see that coming (1)

AmeerCB (1222468) | about 2 years ago | (#41541325)

Have you used a motorola phone? If the next nexus is a moto, the other OEMs might get a sales boost...

Microsoft gives on competing with Android/Google? (4, Informative)

rsborg (111459) | about 2 years ago | (#41540909)

With Microsoft building Surface, it was inevitable they would branch into building other hardware too.

Microsoft's mobile future is too important to Microsoft to leave it entirely to third parities.

It'll be interesting to see how Microsoft manages to make this balance work, although Google seems to be doing fine so far with Nexus devices vs. what everyone else sells. In that regards there's not much third parties can do, since both Google and Microsoft compete against them it's a wash.

If I am a handset manufacturer, now the only game in town is Google's Android, since the Microsoft is considering moving into hardware on this front.

Has Microsoft realized that they just can't manage Phone manufacturers [1] ? Microsoft has repeatedly backstabbed it's "partners" to it's own detriment later on. Is there anyone laying down the law in Redmond? - seems like Lord of the Flies when it comes to internal discipline and ability to execute as a group.

[1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/06/microsofts_masterplan_to_screw_phone/ [theregister.co.uk]

WTF? (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about 2 years ago | (#41540303)

They buy Nokia, and now they think they're Google?!

Re:WTF? (1)

jandrese (485) | about 2 years ago | (#41540679)

I think it's more a case of copying Apple. I mean Apple is making money hand over fist with their cell phone business, and Microsoft is saying "Me too!"

Re:WTF? (1)

zlives (2009072) | about 2 years ago | (#41541375)

however they don't restrict the manufacture to just MS for their devices (yet?) so better comparison would be Google/Droid

Re:WTF? (2)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#41541289)

They didn't buy Nokia yet, but soon.

ZunePhone (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41540317)

Who is going to want a ZunePhone?

They might want to first get some penetration in the smartphone market before spending in even more money.

Oh well, this is the modern MS, spend desktop and office money on markets that someone else dominates and keep spending till you compete. Never mind the fact that even 360 has not paid the Xbox bills.

If I was an investor I would be pissed. If you are just going to waste the money pay it out as dividends.

Re:ZunePhone (4, Funny)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41540359)

>Who is going to want a ZunePhone?

Obviously people who want to squirt you.

>They might want to first get some penetration

Doesn't everybody?

--
BMO

Re:ZunePhone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540445)

I want to penetrate the O in your BMO.

Re:ZunePhone (-1, Troll)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#41540457)

Who is going to want a ZunePhone?

But it will come with the Microsoft 'Bob' interface! How could anybody not want that?

Re:ZunePhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540785)

But it will come with the Microsoft 'Bob' interface! How could anybody not want that?

I see you want to make a phone call.

Now get off my lawn!

Re:ZunePhone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541299)

HA! Modded by freaks, fanbois and shills... oh my!

Re:ZunePhone (2)

Animats (122034) | about 2 years ago | (#41540683)

Who is going to want a ZunePhone?

The ZunePhone. [youtube.com] That was a joke. But Microsoft was rumored to be considering making the Zune 3 a phone. [zunescene.com]

Make it a nexus equivilent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540327)

Take a high end Windows phone, add side loading capabilities and other Dev friendliness including the ability to install mods and market it as the SurfacePhone or similar.

Re:Make it a nexus equivilent (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41540441)

That will never happen.
Microsoft has no interest in that market. They do not want sideloading, they want a locked down walled garden type environment.

Maybe we've had Microsoft all wrong (1)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about 2 years ago | (#41540339)

Maybe they aren't evil, power hungry, or nakedly greedy. Perhaps they just have a really ambitious sense of humor (Microsoft Tweet [fuckyeahdementia.com] ), and competing with their customers is just how they do. Their next step will be announcing they are launching an own-brand laptop in a retail store made entirely of painted glass windows.

Nokia Stabbed In The Back (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540349)

I never saw that coming...

Re:Nokia Stabbed In The Back (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41540467)

>I never saw that coming...

Every Microsoft "Partner" thinks they are special. "It will never happen to us" they say. "Look at all this money we get from Microsoft!" They think they can beat the Devil with their own fiddle playing. Except this isn't a Charlie Daniels Band song.

--
BMO

Re:Nokia Stabbed In The Back (1)

PastTense (150947) | about 2 years ago | (#41540767)

If I were Nokia, I would respond by switching to Android.

Too late already ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541039)

If I were Nokia, I would respond by switching to Android.

Microsoft has poured money quite a lot to Nokia and surely former is not that dumb that it would not mitigate risk being left out cold by its parter it's pouring money at. Read: Nokia would have to pay back all that and shelling out top of that breaking the contract.

Long story short. Nokia is and has been a goner since gave it's pinky to the devil. Anyone worth his salt knew this from day one we heard deal announced between them.

Re:Too late already ... (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#41541307)

That and a former Microsoft exec is the CEO of Nokia.

Re:Nokia Stabbed In The Back (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541081)

In memoriam: Microsoftâ(TM)s previous strategic mobile partners

ïMicrosoft's new "strategic partnership" with Nokia is not its first. For a decade the software company has courted and consummated relationships with a variety of companies in mobile and telecom. Here are the ones I can remember:

LG. In February 2009 Microsoft Corp. signed a multiyear agreement for Windows Mobile to be included on devices from LG Electronics Inc. LG would use Windows Mobile as its "primary platform"for smartphones and produce about 50 models running the software.

What happened? LG made a few Windows Mobile devices but with WinMo uncompetitive, they abandoned the platform and moved to Android losing years of market presence and all their profits.

Motorola. In September 2003, Motorola and Microsoft announced an alliance. "Starting with the introduction of the new Motorola MPx200 mobile phone with Microsoft Windows Mobile software, the companies will collaborate on a series of Smartphone and Pocket PC wireless devices designed to create a virtual "remote control" for the Web-centric, work-centric, always-on-the-go mobile professional." In addition, the alliance includes cooperation on joint marketing and wireless developer programs.

What happened? Motorola launched a series of Windows Mobile phones culminating in the Motorola Q "Blackberry killer". As Motorola hit the rocks in profitability new management reached for the Android liferaft. The company now relies exclusively on the Droid franchise.

Palm. In September 2005 Palm and Microsoft announced a strategic alliance to "accelerate the Smartphone market segment with a new device for mobile professionals and businesses. Palm has licensed the Microsoft Windows Mobile operating system for an expanded line of Treo Smartphones, the first of which will be available on Verizon Wirelessâ(TM) national wireless broadband network."

What happened? Palm shipped a few Windows Mobile, famously dismissing Appleâ(TM)s potential entry as something "PC guys" could never achieve. A new CEO, a private placement and an acquisition later the company is a division of HP making its own operating system.

Nortel. When Steve Ballmer was famously laughing at the iPhone and saying that he likes the Windows Mobile strategy "a lot" he was sitting next to the then-CEO of Nortel (Mike Zafirovski formerly of Motorola) with whom the company had just closed a strategic deal. "an alliance between Microsoft and Nortel announced in July 2006 ⦠includes three new joint solutions to dramatically improve business communications by breaking down the barriers between voice, e-mail, instant messaging, multimedia conferencing and other forms of communication".

What happened? Nortel declared bankruptcy two years later.

Verizon. In January 2009 "Verizon Wireless has selected Microsoft Corp. to provide portal, local and Internet search as well as mobile advertising services to customers on its devices. The five-year agreement will go into effect in the first half of 2009 when Microsoft Live Search is targeted to be available on new Verizon Wireless feature phones and smartphones." The deal would ensure Bing distribution to all of Verizonâ(TM)s smartphone customers.

What happened? Bing did ship on some devices but in October 2009 Droid came to Verizon.

Ericsson. In September 2000, "Ericsson and Microsoft Corp. today launched Ericsson Microsoft Mobile Venture AB. This previously announced joint company will drive the mobile Internet by developing and marketing mobile e-mail solutions for operators. The first solutions are expected to be on the market by the end of the year. The company is part of a broader strategic alliance between Ericsson and Microsoft"

What happened? Ericsson divested itself of the mobile division forming a joint venture which would go on and make more strategic alliances with Microsoft over Windows Mobile culminating in a loss of profits and eventual flight to Android.

Sendo. In February 2001, Microsoft announced a partnership, in which Microsoft bought $12m of Sendo shares and a seat on the board. Sendo was to be Microsoft's "go to market partner" for the Stinger smartphone platform that would become Smartphone 2002.

What happened? Sendo after litigating IP issues with Microsoft went bankrupt in 2005.

And finally,

Nokia. No, not this OS deal, but in August 2009 âThe worldwide leader in software and the worldâ(TM)s largest smartphone manufacturer have entered into an alliance that is set to deliver a groundbreaking, enterprise-grade solution for mobile productivity. Today, Microsoft Business Division President Stephen Elop and Nokiaâ(TM)s Executive Vice President for Devices Kai Ã-istÃmà announced the agreement, outlining a shared vision for the future of mobile productivity. This is the first time that either company has embarked on an alliance of this scope and nature.â
The plan was to bring âoeMicrosoft Office Mobile and Microsoft business communications, collaboration and device management software to Nokiaâ(TM)s Symbian devices.â

What happened? One and a half years later the same Stephen Elop announced that Symbian will be deprecated.

-- Horace Dediu

meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540375)

That Jolla phone a few stories below sounds about 10x more interesting than this win devices.

Re:meh (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 2 years ago | (#41540541)

Not to Nokia. Wait...

Not so fast.... (5, Insightful)

erp_consultant (2614861) | about 2 years ago | (#41540443)

Microsoft has had their share of unsuccessful hardware (Zune comes to mind) but they are capable of getting it right sometimes too. They make a really good mouse and keyboard for example. XBox is successful, albeit after years of losing money on it. I think they are able to build technically successful products but what kills them time and again is poor marketing and an inability to make anything perceived as "cool" by the hip generation.

The Zune was a really good MP3 player (better than the iPod in many ways) but it had that horrible brown color and MS put no marketing behind it. This is a lesson that gets lost on hard core techs sometimes - it doesn't matter that your product is technically superior if you can't sell it. This is what Apple excels at - superior marketing.

If MS hopes to be successful with their branded phone they are going to have to hire some people that know how to sell stuff. First thing I would do? I'd get rid of all of those idiots behind that series of ridiculous Seinfeld ads. Remember those? Yeah, nobody does and that's the point. Complete waste of time and money. Next thing they have to do is design something that looks cool and is easy to use and is well built. Number three - develop some features that set them apart from IOS and Android. Give people a reason to buy an MS phone instead of the default choice of Apple or Android. Otherwise why bother? Just get one of those two and call it a day.

This is Microsoft's last, best chance to get back in the mobile game. If they blow this one then they might as well throw in the towel and accept their fate as the leader in an increasing dying industry (desktop pc's).

Re:Not so fast.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540703)

If you still have nothing more than a 3% to 5% global market share after that many years and money invested into it, perhaps it is time to call it quits.

There is no serenity or wisdom in Microsoft, just a lot of brash, reckless faux-courage.
I blame Steve Ballmer.
Steve Ballmer is Exhibit A that proves that you don't need talent to make it big, you just need to know the right person (being Bill Gates' buddy).

Serenity Prayer:
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Re:Not so fast.... (1)

jandrese (485) | about 2 years ago | (#41540743)

Only one Zune was brown, as an optional color. Zune didn't die because it was brown, it died because they didn't build a huge ecosystem around it the way Apple did with the iPod. They didn't pull the Jedi mind trick that Jobs did with the record companies to release most everything on the platform. Plus, once the Zune came out they were an also-ran in an increasingly crowded marketplace. The biggest feature was the ability to bypass the DRM a little bit sometimes, whereas Steve was careful to mention DRM as little as possible with the iPod and keep people's attention centered on the parts of the device that they like. No consumer like DRM, it's inherently hostile to them, and the more they think about it the more they will dislike your product.

Zune was not point of failure (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41541147)

because they didn't build a huge ecosystem around it the way Apple did with the iPod.

They tried - they had Zune Pass, and quite a bit of music accessible.

The real reason they failed is that instead of building the Zune they should have Zunified Windows Mobile phones with a music ecosystem and better playback/discovery experience, seeing ahead of Apple that standalone music players were a short-lived niche that smart phones would eventually overtake.

But Apple saw before Microsoft did that the standalone music player would be eclipsed by the personal phone, even though Microsoft was producing them long before Apple... very odd.

Re:Zune was not point of failure (1)

oh_my_080980980 (773867) | about 2 years ago | (#41541339)

Because Microsoft has no vision. They saw the phone as a phone and a PC as a PC and hadn't clue what an MP3 player was or could do....

Re:Zune was not point of failure (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about 2 years ago | (#41541671)

But Apple saw before Microsoft did that the standalone music player would be eclipsed by the personal phone, even though Microsoft was producing them long before Apple... very odd.

I say that Apple saw that the successor to the music player was a consumer smart phone. MS was too concerned about the enterprise smart phone and put too little effort into the consumer side. For MS, Apple's iPhone could never compete with Windows Mobile but the shortsightedness of MS was that iPhone was never competing directly with Windows Mobile or Blackberry. Apple focused on making a phone for consumers instead of shoe-horning an enterprise one for consumers.

Re:Not so fast.... (1)

bazorg (911295) | about 2 years ago | (#41540927)

I thought that MS mouse and keyboards were re-badged Logitech products? If it is still the case, then it's quite different from Zune and Xbox?

Re:Not so fast.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541171)

They will need to overcome app gap to be a player in the field.. I have met a few people with WIndows Phones and I feel really bad for them.. They can't do much more than a person that has a blackberry which is a dying brand.. one of the key points is that there is lack of decent apps for the blackbeery platform.

Re:Not so fast.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541391)

If history has taught us anything, it's that as long as they have money they will continue to try forcing their way into the mobile market.

Re:Not so fast.... (2)

rastoboy29 (807168) | about 2 years ago | (#41541575)

Slightly off topic...

If anybody had the balls to enable unlimited wireless mp3 sharing between devices, they could own the market.

If there's one thing I've learned... (3, Interesting)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#41540447)

if there's one thing I've learned, it's that BGR really can't be trusted for its exclusive leaks. SO many of them just don't pan out, it seems like like an accident one one of them actually does.

In this case, we have an unconfirmed source saying that MS is planning its own phone but it doesn't have a release timeline for them. Seems like an easy way to get page hits to me.

Microsoft Keyboard and Mouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540537)

Doesn't Microsoft already make a few hardware peripherals?

Like the Keyboard series, and Mouse series. Maybe even a game console and accessories or two?

I haven't seen the presence of Microsoft mice keep me from buying a more stylish, equally functional non-rebranded Logitech product, or even a cheap knockoff product that I got to be disposable (and to remind me why brand name stuff is sometimes better).

The more choices, the better, right? I hope they come up with some interesting hardware that sets the bar so the real OEMs can give us something even nicer.

Nokia was already dying since Feb 2011 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540571)

Now, Microsoft is just raping the Finnish corpse.

I do hope Nokia proceeds with 'Plan B' (re: Android), fire Stephen Elop and all the pro-Microsoft sycophants in Nokia (e.g. Chris Weber).

The sooner Nokia ditches the 'turd ecosystem' and the vomit-inducing Metro tiles, the better.

Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540577)

Google did the same thing with Android and Nexus. I certainly don't see anyone complaining there.

Perhaps there were complaints, but the market has borne out no doomsday scenario for third party manufacturers. On the contrary, there has been an explosion of Android devices.

Therefore, it is highly unlikely that Microsoft will cause some kind of market upset by using the same tactic.

Re:Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541157)

You idiot. Third parties manufacture and brand the Nexus line. First it was HTC and now it is Samsung. This is totally different than what MS is in their oh so predictably cargo cultish way trying to do. You are a dumbass for not being able to see the difference.

Re:Been there, done that (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 2 years ago | (#41541169)

The key difference is Google gets its nexus devices from an android OEM it does not make them. HTC, Samsung have both made one and Moto made a google experience device.

Long term having more device supported by ASOP is good for google. So now even a sony device is supported.

MIcrosoft has no such ambitions nor intentions to have such an ecosystem.

Re:Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541281)

The difference being that Google did not make their own devices. They partnered with hardware makers like HTC, Samsung, and Asus to make devices that were not crapped up with things like TouchWiz and Sense and then tried to sell them without garbage from the carriers pre-installed (although with Verizon they had limited success). This is quite a bit different than "making their own hardware".

Nokia needs to do the following: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41540725)

1) ShitCan Elop
2) Allow the new CEO to work from anywhere (not only Helsinki) – which is why they didn’t get anyone better then Elop
3) ~try~ and rebuild a team of MeeGo developers
4) Ensure that the new CEO is a stickler for quality, and focus on developing one phone that rocks and does not have all the normal Nokia UX/UI abominations
5) Play whatever dance the US phone oligarchs demand so that you can get the handsets sold in the States (lock them down, whatever). Just supply the same phone unlocked overseas.
6) Don’t introduce another new phone until all the normal Nokia UX/UI abominations are again cleared out. (don’t be afraid to be a dick (like Jobs) to your people when demanding excellence.)
7) Slowly build the company back up.

Didn't hurt for Android! (3, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | about 2 years ago | (#41540813)

Google did the Google Nexus 7 and it hasn't upset Android makers as far as I can tell. But it does upset carriers who capitalize on their ablity to have devices locked down so that they can take the most advantage of consumers possible.

I think what Microsoft is doing will give the new Windows Tablets/phones the best possible opportunity for success (or failure) by setting the bar at a particular level. OEMs are free to exceed the Microsoft model, but it would upset consumers to not at least meet the standards set out there by Mocrosoft's base model. And when software/firmware updates come out for the Microsoft device, they had damn well come out for the OEM phones and tablets too. In the end, it should upset carriers more than it should upset manufacturers.

Re:Didn't hurt for Android! (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about 2 years ago | (#41541179)

Google didn't do Nexus 7, Asus did - Google just slapped their logo on it once it's done.

Re:Didn't hurt for Android! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541187)

Google did the Google Nexus 7 and it hasn't upset Android makers as far as I can tell.

You idiot. Asus manufactured the 7 and their branding is all over it. What MS is doing is nothing like that. Please go kill yourself and raise the collective world IQ.

MS, give it up, no wants your phones. (1, Funny)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#41540875)

Much like Zune, no one wants the crappy Windows 8 phone. Give it up. You failed, you are NOT apple.

Find your own niche, and enjoy it.

Your like the kid that is always a year or 2 behind the fashion of the other kids. You think you are cool, because you are wearing last years fashion, but the other peeps are laughing at you.

Re:MS, give it up, no wants your phones. (1)

snowraver1 (1052510) | about 2 years ago | (#41541583)

I am interested in WP8. I'm also interested in what RIM releases for their new phone, eventually.

Why? I don't like Apple because they like to tell me how to use my stuff. Android allows the carriers too much say (updates are delayed or non-existant) and has fragmentation issues. So, I'm really interested to see what MS and RIM can bring to the table.

As for the fashion comment... I doubt many here know what is cool and what is not. We don't care. We like functionality above coolness.

Did you hear that Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541001)

Friends begged with you to stay away from MS but No, you not only didn't listen to them but went on to install an MS Virus in our Top Management. Sow as you reap! Noika RIP!

Question: What happens if IKEA partners with MS?

Answer: IKEA will have no chairs to sell.

Happy to 'hear' it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541023)

I'm so glad the Microsoft has availed itself the opportunity to eat its own dog food. I can't wait to see what their owned people produce in-house, other than the opportunity to prove the value of big-budget advertising and marketing utilizing highly skilled attorneys.

Nokia is finnish! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541041)

Nokia is finnish or Finnish ? Now can be both!

Get ready for the myPhone! (1)

lxs (131946) | about 2 years ago | (#41541061)

It will be different from the iPhone 5 because it will have a wonky camera and GPS navigation that doesn't work properly.
Wait a minute...

Re:Get ready for the myPhone! (1)

realkiwi (23584) | about 2 years ago | (#41541197)

You forgot: and the screen will be blue...

The story is thousands of years old... (5, Interesting)

Minwee (522556) | about 2 years ago | (#41541069)

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drowning frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

"Fail Better..." (1)

mitcheli (894743) | about 2 years ago | (#41541073)

As quoted by Samuel Beckett Does it not seem odd that Microsoft is trying to create a smart phone? I think someone has already done that. Would it not make better sense for Microsoft to do A) broaden and increase the X-Box market where their money is or B) re-invent a cumbersome technology to capture the market share from those who do it badly?

No difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41541115)

The only difference between a computer and a phone is: with a phone its a computer that makes calls. Besides Microsoft won't make the hardware Foxconn will!

Maybe... (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about 2 years ago | (#41541137)

Maybe they are buying up all of those phones from Android that Google won't let them sell and rebranding them?

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