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US House Science Committee Member: Evolution Is a Lie From Hell

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the hey-at-least-it's-an-ethos dept.

Education 1113

First time accepted submitter badford writes "Representative Paul Broun (Georgia Republican) said that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are 'lies straight from the pit of hell' meant to convince people that they do not need a savior. It would not be quite as shocking if Broun did not sit on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology. What impact could this have on policy? What impact could this have on STEM education not just in Georgia but all over the U.S.?"

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Post bigotry here (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571211)

Post your anti-religious bigotry in the comments below.

Re:Post bigotry here (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571269)

We certainly need a saviour from people like him

Re:Post bigotry here (4, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571451)

If he's right and only Protestant Young-Earth Creationist Republicans go to heaven, I'm willing to go to hell of my own accord if it means I'll never have to hear anything from them again.

Re:Post bigotry here (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571273)

Shouldn't people stop having imaginary friends when they grow up? Especially imaginary friends with ulterior motives.

Re:Post bigotry here (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571277)

Well... since I've been granted permission. It's an insult to human inteligence. If you want to believe something, philosophize, but don't let it twist your morals and hinder progress.

Re:Post bigotry here (5, Insightful)

YukariHirai (2674609) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571283)

I'm not anti-religious, I'm anti-idiot. I'm fine with people believing in God, but not people who think that said belief means science is wrong.

Re:Post bigotry here (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571335)

Why not just mind your own business and let people think and say what they want?

Re:Post bigotry here (5, Insightful)

SydShamino (547793) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571371)

Because they might be a U.S. Congressman who has a direct impact on science and technology funding, tax law, and application in this country?

Re:Post bigotry here (-1, Flamebait)

Kohath (38547) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571445)

So let's make government small enough so U.S. Congressmen's opinions don't matter.

A free people in a free country wouldn't care what some Congressman thought about evolution.

Re:Post bigotry here (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571533)

And how long will *you* be free without law enforcement or an army or anti monopoly laws?
Canada would be able to just walk in and take what states it wanted ..... and most would welcome them with open arms, or even go so far as to kill those that would stop them, at least after a few years.

Re:Post bigotry here (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571535)

I think it would be a better idea if you had to pass some basic science (or whatever) test before you were able to chair a committee on science (or whatever).

But then I remember that congressmen are retarded people who got through life by pandering to the highest bidder

Re:Post bigotry here (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571545)

Yeah because THAT idea sure worked before.

Re:Post bigotry here (4, Insightful)

Telvin_3d (855514) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571559)

Until their neighbors declared that, due to their majority on the local School Board, evolution, history, a large chunk of geology, and set theory [boingboing.net] will no longer be taught. And all children will have a compulsory christian values class. And if you have a problem with it you are free to set up a completely separate school system on your own. And a separate medical system. Heck, unless you are willing to do things all their way you are 'free' to personally replicate all of western society yourself.

For given values of 'free' a 'free society' ceases to be a society at all.

Re:Post bigotry here (-1, Troll)

Kohath (38547) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571633)

What's a "school system"? I thought a school was a teacher, teaching students something they want to learn. Anyone can hire a teacher to teach anything they want. This "school system" concept you're talking about seems to be a lot of extra nonsense that's only loosely related to teaching or learning. Why do we need to give up our freedom to have a "system" when teachers can teach and students can learn at least as well without it (and for a lot less money)?

Re:Post bigotry here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571575)

your first sentence is unrelated to your second sentence

Re:Post bigotry here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571579)

Typical strategy: vote incompetent people into office in order to "prove" they shouldn't have that much power. The Republican party could just support candidates that aren't idiots. Instead, they have the goal to build the biggest self-licking ice cream cone in the world.

Re:Post bigotry here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571385)

Because people with stupid beliefs tend to act on them, and powerful people acting on stupid or reality deprived belief systems are a danger to themselves and others including both you and him, or are you to stupid do get that?

Re:Post bigotry here (5, Insightful)

loxosceles (580563) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571455)

People do not live in a vacuum. People who believe in imaginary friends and believe those imaginary friends have sent facts and instructions for how to live, usually want to make everyone else believe those facts and live according to those instructions.

evolution, or lack thereof
foreign policy with countries dominated by other religions
the legal status of a fertilized embryo - stem cell research and abortion
contraception, sex education
porn
many other social policies

Re:Post bigotry here (0)

mrball_cb (463566) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571425)

Starting out life as a good little Catholic boy, I've slowly moved to the position that I'm now anti-religious. http://whatstheharm.net/ [whatstheharm.net] My Dad is not happy with me, but he prays for me to see the light.

Re:Post bigotry here (2)

ehiris (214677) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571491)

I'm fine with people believing in God too. That doesn't prevent me from thinking that they lack intelligence and mental strength.
Science never has the pretension of claiming belief but always just gives us theories which have a base in the physical (mathematical included) world.

Re:Post bigotry here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571623)

I'm not anti-religious, I'm anti-idiot. I'm fine with people believing in God, but not people who think that said belief means science is wrong.

You raise an interesting point for debate. Do we have conclusive scientific evidence of evolution of a particular species during the last 1000 years? I am simply asking because the only evolutionary science we read about points to theoretic probability. Is it not possible there is a Creator and species adapted over long periods of time to changing environments? The laws of physics remain unchanged whether you believe in a spiritual being or in natural order. Now when raccoons evolve sufficiently to know when it is safe to cross the highway, maybe evolutionists will finally have proof for the religious people. I am inclined to believe in a Universal Conscious based upon my own experiences.

Re:Post bigotry here (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571487)

Anti religious my ass, if science is straight from hell I get to wear black leathers and listen to heavy metal again. I might even get a motorbike! This flat top has unbeknownst to himself stumbled on a way to make science sexy. Yeah.

Roll on the groupies.

Re:Post bigotry here (2)

UglyTool (768385) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571513)

Sometimes it is easy to tell
who is or not mentally well.
Just ask them and see
if it's just a theory
or lies straight from the pit of hell.

how do these people get into these positions? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571223)

Are they elected? Or just randomly assigned?

Re:how do these people get into these positions? (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571295)

"Are they elected? Or just randomly assigned?"

We know that they never heard of genetics but more importantly, have they ever seen a dog?

Re:how do these people get into these positions? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571427)

This Representative is a MD. I'll assume that he has heard of genetics. It is possible that he knows more than we do on the subject. But it is probable that he is brainwashed by religion.

Re:how do these people get into these positions? (1)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571299)

Are they elected? Or just randomly assigned?

Yeah, there is a big, intelligently-designed random number generator

Actually even if he isn't elected, it is quite likely he is accurately representing the majority of the voters from his area/district.

Everyone in Congress is elected (and by a large number of people at that), and they still say a lot of unbelievable things (e.g., the whole "legitimate rape" thing, etc.).

Re:how do these people get into these positions? (4, Insightful)

bkmoore (1910118) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571317)

Both... To get elected in America, you either need lots of $$$ or the backing of one of the two major political parties, hence $$$. The primary system in most states ensures that only candidates who can successfully pander to about 0.5% of the population (die hard party loyalists) ever make it on to the ballot for the general election. So it is often the case that you either need to be exceedingly ignorant, or a very good liar in order to get nominated.

The voters suffer because we very often don't even get to vote for the most suitable candidates for office. That is also the reason that compromise in Washington D.C. is almost impossible. Failure to tow the party line means a primary challenge, and possibly not being able to get a nomination for the next election.

we need a litmus test (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571235)

If you are religious, you should be prohibited from serving in public office. Further, you should have a guardian assigned to look after your affairs, since obviously you are very weak intellectually.

Probably bring about end of war, famine, disease, poverty, and all evil in the world, if we could just keep the religious from having influence.

Re:we need a litmus test (3, Funny)

NoiseCounsellor (2668963) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571389)

Even better, let's just lobotomize anyone who disagrees with current academic knowledge, because clearly they are mentally unfit to be part of society. In case two people are disagreeable on a topic where currently there is no scientific consensus simply jail them until one of them can be lobotomized.

electrion year (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571243)

It's an election year. Don't believe anything they say. Republicans this year especially have been saying the craziest crap because they know crazy people are more likely to vote than sane ones, who long ago gave up and decided the world was run by crazy people. Oh, did you just see what I did there? :( This guy has a long list of failures politically and personally (4 marriages)... I suspect he'd wear a pink tutu and sing songs from Little Mermaid if he thought he'd get more votes.

Re:electrion year (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571359)

It's an election year. Don't believe anything they say. Republicans this year especially have been saying the craziest crap because they know crazy people are more likely to vote than sane ones,

So what exactly is your point? Election year is when politicians make campaign promises of what they might do (true or false ones).

Outside of the election year they won't say anything at all.

Re:electrion year (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571361)

It's an election year. ... I suspect he'd wear a pink tutu and sing songs from Little Mermaid if he thought he'd get more votes.

OK, I'm game. I'll pitch in $50 for his re election campaign if he'll do that. Even just the tutu.

Re:electrion year (1, Interesting)

noobermin (1950642) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571373)

Are you saying this is okay? I'm not challenging you, but I'm not sure I get the reason for your comment.

What exactly did he say? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571381)

All the article says about his audience is that it was "a sportsman’s banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell". Can anyone provide more detailed information on the rest of his speech or put it in better context?

Re:electrion year (2)

Beorytis (1014777) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571391)

Simple pandering, since this took place "at a sportsman’s banquet at Liberty Baptist Church".

Re:electrion year (1)

alienzed (732782) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571481)

There's no way he'd ever wear a tutu and sing songs... that'd mean a house committee member would actually get something done. The shear concept is as ludicrous as someone who doesn't understand the concept of evolution and sits on a committee involving science.

Re:electrion year (3, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571505)

Electrions are particles that always travel in the direction of the majority. That direction might change, but only in an electrion year.

Why... (3, Interesting)

srussia (884021) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571245)

is there even a House Committee on Science, Space and Technology?

Re:Why... (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571263)

is there even a House Committee on Science, Space and Technology?

So there can be an oversight committee, of course.

Re:Why... (1)

germansausage (682057) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571333)

"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then it exploded". - My irony detector doesn't seem to be working today. I can't tell if this comment is making fun of the religious interpretation of the big bang, or is a straw man deliberately misrepresenting what the big bang is.

"In the beginning, everything was in one place. Then it expanded in all directions. And, it's still expanding today"

Re:Why... (2)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571423)

In the beginning was everything. The circumference was constant. The inside started shrinking away from the periphery and it's still shrinking today.

Cheers!

Re:Why... (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571375)

To propose budgets for NASA, the NSF, and the NIH.

To discuss the legality of embryonic stem cell research.

To act as the body that drafts virtually all laws related to science regulation and/or spending.

Are those reasons not good enough for you?

Re:Why... (2)

ehiris (214677) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571605)

According to wikipedia it was created because of the fear that Soviet science was ahead of American science.

Since the enemy of the US now is highly religious with low scientific potential, our bar has been dropped to very low levels. The whole scientific purpose of space exploration has now been largely reduced to commercial viability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Committee_on_Science,_Space_and_Technology#History [wikipedia.org]

Separation of Church and State... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571251)

...yeah right.

Who's bright idea was it to separate those things in the first place?
Someone should have told him to save his breath because it was never going to happen...

This IS Slashdot... (5, Funny)

dpilot (134227) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571259)

It's on the internet. The fundamental enabling technology for the internet is the semiconductor. The semiconductor is a child of quantum mechanics - there is no classical behavior that would predict it. Even though quantum mechanics are present in all chemistry and even vacuum tubes, those both have classical behavior that can be seen with the naked eye, and appreciated without quantum mechanics.

Semiconductors can't. They're "Devil Science", just like those others.

Well... (2, Interesting)

lorinc (2470890) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571271)

If you don't like evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory, and believe it's all lies, then just don't bother with it. Leave alone the poor guys believing such insanities. Let them do as they want, if it's not true, they should not achieve anything dangerous, right?

In the end, we will see who was right...

Re:Well... (5, Insightful)

noobermin (1950642) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571291)

The issue is this man is on a committee that helps oversee and draft science related bills in the House. Why are people like him and Akin get on these committees?

Re:Well... (0)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571585)

Why are people like him and Akin get on these committees?

Because the majority of the local constituents (probably) agree with him.
Next question?

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

Pecisk (688001) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571337)

Well, this guy doesn't actually say that he don't like them, they consider them evil. That's quite a step from "don't like it, don't care".

Re:Well... (1)

tomhath (637240) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571469)

"secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square."

- Barack Obama

Re:Well... (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571475)

In the end, we will see who was right...

Unless we find that science was right, as then you just die and wont know the difference.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571629)

You said, "Let them do as they want, if it's not true, they should not achieve anything dangerous, right?"

Well, what about his views?

The Pops is OK with it (4, Informative)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571287)

I wonder what he would think of the Pope saying that there is no conflict between the theory of evolution and church doctrine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_evolution#Pope_John_Paul_II [wikipedia.org]

GOP should propose a Pseudoscientific Method (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571305)

Question
Hypothesis
Prediction
Test
Accept Jesus into your Heart
Analysis

What impact will it have on STEM education? (2, Insightful)

rogerz (78608) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571307)

Well, if the federal government didn't control education policy and funding, then it would have no impact whatsoever. If you advocate the involvement of government in education, you can have very little to say in opposition to elected officials' pedagogical opinions being leashed on the classroom.

Even more reason (4, Informative)

Aryden (1872756) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571309)

Why I believe that we need to do a great deal of redistricting and add more congress-critters. 435 people are just not enough to get a decent cross section or represent enough of the U.S. How can 1 person represent an average of 716,000 people.

Direct link to the video (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571323)

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge64kMFoQEo [youtube.com]

It has the greatest Youtube comment I've ever read too:
'You know what this video needs? More deer heads.' Thank you, Crossss8!

This is a problem we solve through education (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571325)

I know it's scary to think that this fellow will be making technology decisions for the rest of us, but just voting against him doesn't solve the problem.

It takes generations of well educated people to slough off these ridiculous old world superstitions. He probably has very nice salt-of-the-earth parents who worked hard all their lives and mis-attributed their success and happiness as gifts from a deity. A paycheck for living "good lives."

But in every generation kids question everything their parents stand for, adopting some, discarding others. If we keep educating them, if they see enough of the wide world to know that the only justice is what we make, that their are billions of people living good lives who believe completely different things, then they'll see through these lies, and pass along a different subset of their beliefs to their kids.

It's too late to fix this guy. if you want to vote out his successors, vote against ignorance; vote some of your hard earned money toward education. My parents did, and that's why this guy is now in the minority.

Depressing (5, Insightful)

Emetophobe (878584) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571327)

He sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

This makes me angry and depressed at the same time.

It's worth remembering some people think that way (5, Insightful)

Yoik (955095) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571341)

You can't really reach a consensus on many issues when such differences exist. Democracy makes the Majority "right" so it is important not to let their views go unchallenged.

I'm fine with him having his own thoughts.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571357)

But to be basically saying what he did to me is kind of a push of religon. That its self is fine, but not when you're in an official political role as we're suppose to have separation of church and state.

That's my thoughts anyhow...

Here I am PAul (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571363)

I'll save you....oh wait never mind your not worth it....( OH and WHERE'S MY PIZZA )

This man is an idiot (3, Insightful)

ffoiii (226358) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571379)

His brain is not connected to a single rational thought, but he is a fucking elected congressman.

Newsflash: Religion != myth oriented Christianity (4, Insightful)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571397)

It's entirely possible to have a well developed sense of the divine (without knowing exactly what it is and understanding that it may be entirely neurological) and be entirely free of Christianity, Islam, or any other fan club affiliation that requires an unproven belief in invisible friends, holy war, talking snakes, ritual blood drinking and/or body eating or additional taxation in the form of tithing.

Cheers!

Unclear How... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571399)

I see no connection between evolution and my need for a savior - I'm a miserable sinner and I know it - except that evolution helped arrive at this understanding.

The thing about science... (5, Insightful)

Luminary Crush (109477) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571403)

... is that it's true whether you believe in it, or not.

Re:The thing about science... (5, Insightful)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571551)

the problem isn't whether science is true (whether you believe in it or not).

the problem is that he is actively stopping us from *discovering* the bits of science that we have not yet discovered.

This is how we got here. (0)

ffoiii (226358) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571411)

His brain is not connected to a single rational thought, but he is a fucking elected congressman. (This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original... )

Republican Idiots are everywhere (2)

thammoud (193905) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571415)

Michele Bachmann serves on the house intelligence committee. She was probably appointed by the moron from Georgia.

Where exactly is this Hell-Pit? (2)

badford (874035) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571417)

I'd like to take a visit. Seems like there's some good science going on in there. I'll just wait by the edge and catch a few big ones.

(am i even allowed to post a comment on a story I submitted? I best consult the hell-pit.)

And this... (1, Troll)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571441)

is why having Government run everything is a bad idea. Sure, you get your pro-science Obama (well... pro some selected kinds of science at least, try getting him to approve research into reprocessing nuclear waste and he'll give you a response that's the left-wing equivalent of this guy's speech), but then you get these wackos.

The typical Slashdot solution is to put the people they disagree with into concentration camps in the name of "science", but the smart solution is to make it so that people can be free to be whackos without wielding huge amounts of power over everyone else.

Re:And this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571521)

Bullshit, this is why you as a voter has to take interest in who you are sending to Congress.
These people don't just appear in Washington D.C by the grace of God you know ?
People that say that all politicians are equal ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM. No, not all politicians are the same, even in the Republican party you have intelligent politicians. You just have to vote for them. Separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

Re:And this... (1, Offtopic)

CajunArson (465943) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571593)

Do you know what the definition of a free country is?

It is *not*: Oh if I vote and all my friends vote and only the people who we want to get into government wield power then I'll have what I want because the people with guns running things are on our "side".

No: It is this: The power of government is constrained so that *even if I don't vote or even if my candidates of choice aren't in power 100% of the time it doesn't matter because their power is limited*.

When we here the usual trope from some 1%er celebrity about how he'll leave the country if Republican politician X is not publicly lynched, it just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how government should be structured.

To put it another way: Any person who has absolutely no probem granting Obama insane amounts of power because they somehow feel he'll only screw-over their enemies but is terrified that Romney might have the same amount of power is doing it wrong. Neither one should have that amount of power to begin with whether you agree with him or not.

What about our evolution creates these people? (1)

ehiris (214677) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571447)

I wonder what evolutionary trait creates people that accept belief as truth over scientific method and proven theories.
Can it be the fact that people who didn't accept authoritarian belief ended up being stoned and burned over it?

What exactly sets the people who create these beliefs apart? Do they really believe that or do they just use it to their advantage?

Even Einstein turned into a buffoon once religion got to him. All his great theories and discoveries were done during his "atheist" phase. What genetic trait triggered his switch to belief over theory?

Re:What about our evolution creates these people? (1)

badford (874035) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571643)

I wonder what evolutionary trait creates people that accept belief as truth over scientific method and proven theories.
Can it be the fact that people who didn't accept authoritarian belief ended up being stoned and burned over it?

What exactly sets the people who create these beliefs apart? Do they really believe that or do they just use it to their advantage?

Even Einstein turned into a buffoon once religion got to him. All his great theories and discoveries were done during his "atheist" phase. What genetic trait triggered his switch to belief over theory?

We are not rational creatures, we are myth seeking.

Joseph Campbell once said "Mythology can be defined as other peoples religion. Conversely, Religion can be thought of as misinterpreted mythology."

Myths are developed and created from beliefs. Beliefs are yanked directly from experience. As our tools for measuring experience improve, so do our beliefs.

So why don't people adopt new beleifs about the world when there is so much evidence to support them?

Myths (i.e religion) are very durable beliefs known as 'convictions'. They are extremely difficult to change because they are so entwined with a persons identity. They are like the legs of a table. You mess with a persons convictions and their whole world falls apart.

The odd thing is, to continue with the table analogy, you can put all sorts of wonky, contradictory beliefs on top of that tabl and the person will always default to defend the conviction, violently if necessary.

People like him... (5, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571477)

... have declared war on the rest of us. They have declared war on modern society.

And no, there isn't any reasoning with these people, the Dominionists. They are stone cold nuts and they even use the vocabulary of war in their screeds. Any attempt to reason with them is assuming that they are capable of rational thought. They are not. Deep down, they actually and truly believe that science is *the* enemy. It is a position that is beyond the reach of any rational thought, so ridicule is the only tool left. If given half a chance, they would drag us back to pre-inudustrial society with just the Bible as the sole text.

He needs to be held up to ridicule from sea to shining sea.

Give him a piece of your mind https://www.facebook.com/brounforcongress [facebook.com]

--
BMO

Can't we keep a few... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571489)

...gas chambers for those humanity's time wasting individuals ?

Big Bang is not against the Bible (3, Interesting)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571499)

Curiously, the Big Bang theory was often attacked for being "religious", that is stating that the Universe didn't always exist but was created a finite time ago.

Religion is compatable with science and has a plac (0)

Eravnrekaree (467752) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571509)

First off, why does everyone pick on christianity. In fact quiet a few christians do fully accept big bang theory and evolution as science, and are not fundamentalist. of course there are some christians that do not accept science and think that only they are true christians, the fact is, many christians do except science.

Islam is far worse and far less tolerant of those who accept certain scientific facts. And, despite scientific information facts and so on being made available to them they refuse to allow any of this to be considered as many christians have. So, what we see is that Muslims are far more close minded than christians and far mroe likely to use violence against those who swerve in the slightest way from the fundamentalist islamic dogma.

it is worth pointing out that many are Christian and at the same time acknowledge evolution, big bang and so on. The suggestions here that christianity and science are incompatable are not true and perhaps it is people like Broun who do damage to christianity by presenting this extreme position of his as the only kind of christianity. Then, people hear this stuff and think that this is what all christians are like when that is simply not the case.

While atheist seem to have an elitist mentality, what is often seem to be happening to atheist communities seems to indicate severe shortcomings, the fact is many of them are not having many children, studies have been posted right here on slashdot that have shown that since religious people have more children, atheist are basically a shrinking and dying breed. And as well, the social damage that this is harmful to a country. A country does need to be able to maintain and regenerate its population levels adequately and we do need a social structure and fabric that makes sure that this happens.

I beleive in science but I also believe most people need religion in their life to provide moral guidance and as a part of the social fabric needed for our population to regenerate. Many People need the structure that religion provides and basically many need to have a respect for god and life. When we take the structure that religion provides out of peoples lives the results can actually be in many cases disasterous. Murder, drug dealings, theivery, dishonesty, self centeredness, greed, all of these things are condemned and discouraged by christianity. In fact, Christain churches really do teach good values like, viewing children as our most precious gift and responsibility and the main purpose of marriage is to raise healthy children and provide them with a loving, safe household, respect for life, kindness to others, thinking about others feelings and needs, good work and labor to contribute to society, raising children in loving, caring stable households with a husband and wife, honor, decency, compassion, love, charity, kindness and so on. Is this the only way to get these values? No. But many people do in fact benefit from this and basically many do need thec concept of god that insists that they behave in a decent way and that as well that they have family values in which to raise healthy, intelligent children. Many people do need the structures set up for them to guide them. Christianity provides the structure to raise, decent, honest, caring, hard working people.

We forget tht science is capable of many obcene atrocities and when we leave out ethics it can lead to the most monstrous invasions of peoples rights, such as the danger posed by security cameras everywhere to our privacy and electronic tracking of everything people do. Science can tell you exactly how to totally enslave and violate every freedom people have, kill huge numbers of people and so on. All of this is perfectly in line with "science". science just tells you whats possible. It does not tell you whats right and wrong. That is why we need ethics in our lives.

There are many different kinds of christians some who find ways to be compatable with science while keeping their religion. There is no need to throw out religions, which can be reconciled with science, for instance, the big bang theory can be compatable with a creator theory having the big bang itself being initiated by a creator and the plan of the universe set into motion at that point being gods plan. Evolution itself may be seen as being a part of the universe and thus being a part of that plan.

Well, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571549)

What's really scary is not that this guy is an idiot, or even a liar. One has come to expect that from Republicans. What is scary, are the people who voted for him. In a mature, sane, society, a guy like this wouldn't get elected dog-catcher. The fact that he is in a position of power is sadly all too easy to understand if you look at the mental state of the people who voted him into office.

I didn't know ignorance went that far south (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571565)

I didn't know ignorance went that far north in the US.

Posters seem worried about federal funding for STEM education. I assume the house committee this guy is on is also responsible for approving funding for many programs such as NIH, NSF, NIST, DOE labs, military labs and programs such as DARPA, Wright Patterson, Naval Research Lab, an many more. All of them accept the basic principles of chemistry, physics, biology, geology, etc., including genetics, bacterial and viral cause of disease, quantum mechanics, and on, and on.

For comic relief perhaps the House of Representatives should set up a committee on alternative science with him as head.

Congress Job Requirements (0)

BoRegardless (721219) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571569)

Smile, blather and shake hands, preferably all at the same time.

And some people want Congress to decide what happens to the entire health care system in the U.S.?

The likes of Broun, Pelosi & Reid are NOT capable of deep thinking. Deep fundraising, maybe, as long as they get theres.

We need less Federal government. We rose to the top of nations without the Federal government in charge of education. I sure looks like ever since the Dept. of Education was implemented in the 1970s that the general education level has been dumbed down. Get the Feds out. They do not know what they are doing...except feathering their own retirement programs.

Worse than terrorists (5, Interesting)

tsa (15680) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571581)

People like this guy are worse than terrorist. A terrorist attack makes at most tens of thousands of people suffer. These Christian fundamentalists in high places can make sure that 100s of thousands of children don't get enough chances in life because they don't get the education they need.

Re:Worse than terrorists (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571617)

I was going to offer a completely different comment until I saw your comment.

They are not worse than terrorists. They *ARE* terrorists. The whole point of religion is to prey on fear. The wrath of god and the requirement of death and suffering for sins is written throughout. It is entirely about punishment for thinking wrong, acting wrong, dressing wrong and even eating wrong... and don't even look the wrong way lest ye be turned to salt.

The wrath of the loving god is all around us and we must repent or forever live in the jewish trash dump which has somehow become the "hell" we know and love today.

If ever there was a group of people who prey on others through terror...

'mockracy (1)

Progman3K (515744) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571591)

No use calling it a democracy anymore, it's a mockery of what a democracy should be.
In a true democracy, you actually have people representing different sides of issues. This is clearly now no longer the case.

How about scientist community ? (3, Interesting)

rroman (2627559) | about a year and a half ago | (#41571627)

I think that scientist ignore politics and such ludicrous claims too often. There should be strong visible position of the scientific community against these claims so that any sane even uninformed person could see, that such opinions are insane and unacceptable in modern society.

"God don't make no junk" as the saying goes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41571647)

Personally, per my subject-line above & the phrase I used? Well... assuming that God is perfect, then why wouldn't God build an adaptive creature that can survive just about anything, due to evolutionary adaptation being a "built-in feature" due to 'natural selection'?

* I've always looked @ it that way...

APK

P.S.=> Is there a God? Oh, I tend to know so... he's come into my life more than a few times (seeing it in hindsight later, that is) - I wish I listened more is all!

All I know is, that WHATEVER created this universe, and all the life on this planet alone, is in my estimation, truly a God...

... apk

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