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Ask Slashdot: Video Monitors For Areas That Are Off the Grid?

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the hey-expletive-you-expletive-expletive dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "I have a cottage at the end of a long dirt road, no electricity nor internet, and recently some (insert expletive here) wads are using the area as a trash dump: countertops, sofas, metal scraps, tvs — all the stuff they don't want to pay to dump at the landfill. I can't block the road because it's a fire access. But I would really like to have a way to catch who is doing this. Are there any a) waterproof, b) self-contained, c) self-powered, and (ideally) d) inexpensive video-recording units out there? Are there any other creative ways to get the guys? I was thinking of something like a device that will cycle, so that the last week of video is recorded. It could take photos or video, and as long as it's small enough that I could camouflage it well, I suspect I'd be able to figure this out soon. And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?" Hunters have been doing this for years (with film, and now digital) to figure out prey patterns with cameras that are built for concealment; what else would you recommend?

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340 comments

Use a Drone (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597211)

You know you could ask the Govt if their drones are for rent...they have night vision, missiles and everything.

Re:Use a Drone (3, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | about 2 years ago | (#41597505)

Why not get creative and just use old cell phones.
People are just tossing these things out. they have a good battery and some you can actually program. plus send data back to your base unit wirelessly.

Deer cams (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41597217)

Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

Re:Deer cams (4, Informative)

Nethead (1563) | about 2 years ago | (#41597275)

What I was going to say. trailmasters.com Did webpage work for them back in '97.

Re:Deer cams (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597353)

not sure if this is overkill or not, but if I was doing it, I'd have a bunch of wireless cameras that transmit to some buried (or very safe) receiver/recorder station.

that way, the cameras could be taken but the data is still safe and the recorders are safe.

does anyone offer this for affordable prices?

I suppose each sending station could even be a rasp-pi with a wireless dongle and some stupid throw-away webcam. and some battery pack. some way to hibernate the system would be needed and unhiber if motion is detected. but all data is sent 'remotely' from the cam, so that data is never taken away if cams are discovered.

Re:Deer cams (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41597447)

nope, well it depends on what you call "affordable" $5500.00 is affordable to some people.

But there is a self contained security camera called "silent witness" that lets you place them high up in a tree or on the roof of the cottage. just add a 12AH gel cell battery and a 20 watt solar panel and it will record to the internal SD card for over a month.

http://christy-ind.com/silent_witness/swc40r.php [christy-ind.com]

Re:Deer cams (3, Insightful)

axehind (518047) | about 2 years ago | (#41597279)

What this guy says. Use hunting/trail cameras. They attach to trees or other things and they only activate on movement. They can be stolen but most can be attached and locked nowadays.

Re:Deer cams (3, Informative)

boristdog (133725) | about 2 years ago | (#41597297)

Yes. Deer/wildlife cameras are what I would recommend. You can get them for $59 - $200. They take pretty good pictures and a set of batteries lasts a couple months.

Re:Deer cams (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597489)

right. you could use something like this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/887443-REG/Bushnell_119438_Nature_View_HD_Camera.html but you'll have to hide it well

Re:Deer cams (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597657)

"Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them."

Deers steal cameras? Never would have thought.

Re:Deer cams (5, Interesting)

Scutter (18425) | about 2 years ago | (#41597665)

Put up the IR deer cams. Hide them because they will steal them.

I've had tremendous success by putting them inside bird houses. No one steals birdhouses, or even thinks twice when they see one 15 feet up a tree.

Re:Deer cams (3, Informative)

Copperhamster (1031604) | about 2 years ago | (#41597703)

There is only one tiny problem that you might run into, and it should be ok if you stick a couple in trees... those deer cams usually have a red light on them, if people are looking they can be found. However, they'd have to look.

Also, something to check for, in my state it's illegal to record other people on your property 'without consent of at least one party involved in the recording'. Consent is however assumed if signage is posted. (I can record at my door without a sign, because I'm recording myself and others, I'm consenting. I can't just do surveilance without posting a sign. The rules are of course, byzantine.)

Look at this (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597219)

here you go

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=3413551

Bushnell? (4, Informative)

frostfreek (647009) | about 2 years ago | (#41597225)

Bushnell Trail Sentry 5MP Digital Camera

Seems like it's packed with features.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-trail-sentry-5mp-trail-night-vision-camera-119305.html [opticsplanet.com]

Re:Bushnell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597745)

It's not enough to mount cameras just anywhere. Ideally you want 2 cameras; one mounted where it will get a shot of the rear (legally required) license plate, one mounted (if and) where you suspect the dumping will occur. If the dumpers are stupid enough and you are lucky enough to capture images on both cameras, you will be able to show a license plate, a payload in a truck and a corroborating photo at the site with the junk on the ground. I assume the photos from these units are time and date stamped.

Then all you have to do is draw the circles and arrows on the front of the photos, write the paragraph on the back and submit them to the court.

If you are luckier still, I'm sure the rest will be a clear cut case of American blind justice.

{insert refrain from the Alices's Restaurant Massacre [slashdot.org] here}

Hunters have the right gear (5, Informative)

Gunnut1124 (961311) | about 2 years ago | (#41597237)

Don't reinvent the wheel, hunters have already done the hard part. Check around for concealed hunter camera gear. Already camouflaged, and able to take stills or video...

Re:Hunters have the right gear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597283)

Go to Cabelas.com or BassPro.com and search on 'game cam". As the previous poster said, don't re-invent the wheel.

Re:Hunters have the right gear (1)

Cryptopone (2748843) | about 2 years ago | (#41597317)

The cameras and video recorders detect motion and activate once it crosses a threshold. Remember to hide the device well otherwise it might be stolen by someone who notices it while passing by.

Re:Hunters have the right gear (5, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41597359)

Check around for concealed hunter camera gear.

How's he supposed to find that?!

Re:Hunters have the right gear (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597573)

Check around for concealed hunter camera gear.

How's he supposed to find that?!

Ask a Ninja. I'm sure he could put you in touch with the Concealed Hunter.

Trail/Wildlife Camera (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597245)

This is what Trail/Wildlife cameras do. Why not just get one of those?

Low-budget approach (1)

davidbrit2 (775091) | about 2 years ago | (#41597251)

Get some kind of motion-activated wildlife cam, and put a big storage card in it. A good one should allow you to choose stills or video. Then just pull out the card and review at your leisure. These things are made to be used outdoors, so they're generally weatherproof, camouflaged, and battery-powered (I have one that runs on four C batteries for quite a long time).

"Camera trap" (1)

Bazzargh (39195) | about 2 years ago | (#41597265)

Type "camera trap" into google and you'll find devices that do this (for photographing wildlife). The commercial ones are already camouflaged.

Re:"Camera trap" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597479)

As a renowned AC, I second that (as well as the clean NO DUMPING sign).

I have used something like this before, not sure what model is the best but you may find some review online:
http://www.slashgear.com/swann-security-outback-cam-features-2mp-camera-and-built-in-dvr-0596739/

Do you have a sign? (4, Insightful)

rollingcalf (605357) | about 2 years ago | (#41597273)

It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there; after seeing junk already piled up some may assume that it's a legitimate dumping ground.

A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? (2)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 2 years ago | (#41597351)

A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

Where do you live that it's okay to do this:

I have a cottage at the end of a long dirt road, no electricity nor internet, and recently some (insert expletive here) wads are using the area as a trash dump: countertops, sofas, metal scraps, tvs — all the stuff they don't want to pay to dump at the landfill.

Even if it is a dirt road, it's not your property and if you don't have permission to be leaving shit all over the place then you don't do it. Where do you live that you can just legally drive around and say "this looks good, I don't see any signs" and dump shit to rust and rot and look terrible? Am I the only person that is appalled by that?

I've lived in two states. I'm pretty sure you'd be fined and/or sued to high heaven if you were caught doing that on any property you do not own and pay taxes on -- even then TVs and metal scraps can permanently damage the environment if not properly disposed of.

Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? (5, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41597545)

Even if it is a dirt road, it's not your property and if you don't have permission to be leaving shit all over the place then you don't do it. Where do you live that you can just legally drive around and say "this looks good, I don't see any signs" and dump shit to rust and rot and look terrible? Am I the only person that is appalled by that?

Nope; I grew up on such a dirt road, and cheap-ass idiots dumping shit because they don't want to pay $10 at the landfill were always the bane of my existence.

Related anecdote: For about 8 months when I was a kid, my dad and I used to see the same damn people dumping bags of trash on our road every week (I assume city folk who refused to pay for trash service). One time, after they drove off, father proceeded to open one of the trash bags and rifle through it (eww, I know) until he found - drum roll please - a piece of mail with the name and address intact. Several mornings later, the people who dumped the trash awakened to find every last fucking piece of it we had collected over the months spread across their own front lawn. Needless to say, that particular group stopped dumping.

Apparently That's Okay Though (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597585)

Apparently rollingcalf and all the mods who have modded him up to +4 Insightful would be understanding and simply put up signs to prevent it in the future! And I'm sure those fine upstanding citizens would obey said signs! I'm sure that if he had a compost heap and someone dumped a fucking cracked plasma TV and a bunch of lead painted metal scraps on it, he'd simply politely post a sign that informs them this is not some random area where you are free to dump whatever the fuck you feel like. Do such random areas exist? Fuck no. That don't matter. Guess they were just misinformed about his compost heap.

Re:Where Do You Live That That Is Considered Okay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597673)

>> people dumping bags of trash on our road every week

So where in Alabama do you live?

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | about 2 years ago | (#41597369)

A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

This is Slashdot... logic of the "common sense" variety is forbidden on these threads!

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41597591)

A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

This is Slashdot... logic of the "common sense" variety is forbidden on these threads!

Depending on the local laws and legal precedent, that may not be very logical or an example of common sense; for example, in certain particularly stupid areas of America, putting up a "No Trespassing" sign actually increases the property owner's liability, as they are acknowledging that people may trespass on their property and thus, take responsibility for said trespasser's safety (and yes, I am aware how boundlessly stupid that is).

Here's an article [ehow.com] that does a much better job explaining the legal implications of posted "No Trespassing" signs than I ever could.

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597371)

I second this, but with one small addition. "CAMERA SURVEILLANCE, VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED!", point being that you most likely will not need cameras for this to actually work. And in any case if it still continues, you can add the camera part with the (mandatory?) sign in place already!

Re:Do you have a sign? (2)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#41597525)

point being that you most likely will not need cameras for this to actually work

Why not buy a broken camera from your local junk store and very visibly install it?

Re:Do you have a sign? (2)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 2 years ago | (#41597777)

I'd do this but also install a real, camouflaged camera elsewhere. Let them think they destroyed the real one.

Re:Do you have a sign? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597417)

since when do legitimate dumping grounds exist? O_o

Re:Do you have a sign? (0)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 2 years ago | (#41597693)

Many counties have "county dumps" where you can haul trash (such as worn out sofas) and dispose of them for a more or less nominal fee. In addition to the county dumps, many private landowners have permits to accept trash. Where do you think the garbage trucks take your trash to? That's right, to legitimate dumping grounds, many of those dumps will accept trash from individual citizens for a fee.

Re:Do you have a sign? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597443)

And add a sign "camera surveillance". No need to install the actual camera.

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 2 years ago | (#41597465)

It's possible that the more recent dumpers don't even know they're not supposed to dump there

Yes, they may be retarded or have some sort of brain injury.

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 2 years ago | (#41597655)

A sign or two saying something like "PRIVATE PROPERTY NO DUMPING" might help, if you don't already have a sign like that which is being ignored.

Great idea - Except I'd add "VIOLATORS WILL BE PROSECUTED" and "THIS AREA UNDER VIDEO SURVEILLANCE"

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

rwa2 (4391) | about 2 years ago | (#41597755)

Have any of you people ever even been to the sticks? All the signs I've ever seen there say: "TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT; SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED"

Re:Do you have a sign? (4, Funny)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about 2 years ago | (#41597721)

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room, seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't have to take out their garbage for a long time.

We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the city dump.

Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we decided to throw our's down.

That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage."

Re:Do you have a sign? (1)

Thelasko (1196535) | about 2 years ago | (#41597735)

I'm seeing a lot of posts stating something like, "any idiot should know not to dump on your land" etc. However, in many states, under law, you have to post signage or build a fence to notify others of your property boundary. You may be able to prosecute without these things, but it will make your life easier if you clearly mark your property boundary. This usually corresponds to hunting regulation, but in this case I imagine it applies to dumping.

I'm not aware of any States require a fence (although it is a good idea), some require a paint mark, [virginia.gov] or some signage. [ny.gov] I'm not a lawyer, look up the law in your own area.

Talk to the cops (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | about 2 years ago | (#41597287)

Have you asked the local cops what to do about the dumping? They might blow you off or they might get interested. It is worth a try before you get too cowboy on your own.

Re:Talk to the cops (3, Insightful)

pavon (30274) | about 2 years ago | (#41597367)

The main point of the camera is to have firm information to give to the cops. They aren't going to waste resources doing an in-depth investigation over something like this. But if you can give them a license plate number and a picture of the guys, they are much more likely to deal with them. And if not you have everything you need to head to small claims court.

Re:Talk to the cops (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597441)

If the local cops are friendly, and most are out there, it's not too hard to get them to stab through the trash, find the mail, and ticket the violators.

Re:Talk to the cops (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597531)

Sometimes that doesn't catch the actual perps, though. I once had my mail show up in some illegally-dumped trash. Turns out that I was being targeted by identity thieves that were trolling my neighborhood.

Trail cam is the best bet. They're cheap, use standard digital storage these days, and can last weeks or months depending on traffic.

Re:Talk to the cops (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#41597547)

...it's not too hard to get them to stab through the trash, find the mail, and ticket the violators.

"Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage"

Trail/Game camera's. (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about 2 years ago | (#41597289)

They are ruggedized motion activated camera systems used by hunters and various conservationists to document wildlife in an area. Point on at the road and you will likely get a photo eventually.

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=trail+cameras&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=3841717161&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6759584441200341366&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_76nuhrt4i1_b

Shotgun. (1)

AtomicDevice (926814) | about 2 years ago | (#41597293)

Wait in a ground blind with a boomstick and give em a taste of frontier justice (where justice == birdshot)

Seriously though, the comment about trail cameras is right on. Motion activated camera that's self contained and battery powered. Designed for locating and tracking game movements, sounds like it would be perfect for your situation.

Double seriously, trying to wait out for them and firing some blanks and generally appearing to be a totally unhinged redneck might go a long way to scaring them off. Plus it would be a hell of a lot of fun, legal issues not withstanding.

Re:Shotgun. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597325)

Unless of course they also have a gun with them and it isn't filled with blanks.

Re:Shotgun. (0)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41597617)

That's when you switch to the semi auto with deer slugs, and have an AR-10 ready for backup.

Re:Shotgun. (1)

ShooterNeo (555040) | about 2 years ago | (#41597749)

I hate to say it, but this kind of escalation has some negative risk possibilities at the end of the encounter.

    a. You might be shot and killed (unlikely, I suppose, if you bring big guns to the party and have a good position to fire from)
    b. You might kill someone else. And just your luck, they might be someone important. You might spend the next 5 years of your life and every penny you have fighting for your life in court.

Versus just paying someone to clean up the trash and installing a better fence. It really isn't a good idea to resort to lethal force (or firearms at all) unless the other guy leaves you no other options.

Re:Shotgun. (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41597689)

Nah, you're not thinking. This is Slashdot - the home of the BSD toaster.

So, you get the aforementioned hunter cam, then you open the case, find the signal to that fires the camera, rig a opsoisolated switch to another relay circuit that fires off a couple of M80's and a small amount of thermite. Take the pics, wait a few seconds, fire off the M80's and the thermite. For extra fun, take a few more pics.

Bonus points for rigging explosions down the road on a tripwire or such so that you continue to 'fire' on the miscreants as the run screaming for their lives.

Use some imagination here, folks.

Remote operated turret (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597301)

You need one like this:
http://dover.idf.il/NR/rdonlyres/D9C669D3-EC4F-45DA-97F9-9261B7BACD7B/0/02s.jpg

Contour, Go-Pro - activity cameras (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597305)

There are a lot of super small USB cameras with a rolling overwrite feature.

Contour is one, Go-Pro - but those are kinda of pricey.

The last one I saw on Youtube looked like a childs toy DLSR with a single button and MicroSDHC slot. It was about the size of your Thumb and took really good video. http://youtu.be/k-DCpQ9EYZg or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgtTg62GDfs&feature=fvwrel

I think they were in the $100 range

You would still need a housing, a memory card and a power source.

Question (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about 2 years ago | (#41597319)

Why re-invent the wheel? You said it yourself, hunters have been doing this for years. Therefore, there are already products on the market which will stand up to the elements with a long battery life and the capabilities to do what you are looking to do. Sure, you could buy some camera, put them in a water-resistant sealed box, camoflauge them, and run a wire to your house. But why go through that much trouble when someone already makes a reliable product to do exactly that?

Second thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597323)

A cheap iPhone with a time lapse App might be just as good.

This is easy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597337)

This is easy, no electricity needed, and it has proven effective for thousands of years. Get an outside dog, maybe a lab. Labs love people, and people polluting on land won't know the difference between a dog happy to see them and one ready to tear them apart when it is running at them.
The many features of the dog include a built in, day or night motion detector and alarm with a range of the upwards of miles. It requires no energy, and can also provide benefits to owning beyond simple security. The dog can also be adjusted so that it only detects certain objects, such as humans and not cats, depending on the model.

Re:This is easy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597571)

Seems a bit cruel to leave the dog alone at the cottage for days or weeks at a time.

Appropriate Signage (3, Insightful)

LF11 (18760) | about 2 years ago | (#41597361)

Place signs around the area (they do not have to be large) saying, "Video Surveillance in Use." Make sure you clean up any existing trash.

If dumping persists, use a game camera to take pictures, then tack up some large prints of the perps dumping.

Something like this: https://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=video+surveillance+signs&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1173&bih=640&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=8862164393585909605&sa=X&ei=okp0UO2UPMWXiAKB-YHAAQ&ved=0CGsQ8gIwBg [google.com]

People really pay attention to little cues like this when they are doing something nefarious. Good luck.

Re:Appropriate Signage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597731)

"Violators will be shot on sight." has more umph.

Re:Appropriate Signage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597785)

What about: "Danger. Mine field." :-)

Re:Appropriate Signage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597787)

"If dumping persists, use a game camera to take pictures, then tack up some large prints of the perps dumping."

Just call a few friends to remove the crap and do some fake dumping photos yourself during that operation, no need for expensive cameras.
One image of the fake dumping, one with fake mugshots.

 

Neighbors (3, Insightful)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#41597363)

I grew up in a semi-rural area so I know what I'm talkin bout here:

Figure out why your neighbors hate you and convince them to like you. Lets be realistic, middle of nowhere, nobody's driving 500 miles just to dump on your land... You pissed someone off who lives VERY nearby and the folks who could bust him are better friends with him than you. Fix that.

Talk to your local politicans and get fees removed from the community landfill. That's insane. Not legally permissible where I live, I believe by state reg, because the DNR doesn't want to spend $20000 cleaning up dumped motor oil as a result of "profit" they'd make from charging $5 at the landfill, not to mention it provides a profit motive for turning touristy scenery into a 3rd world wasteland. Sometimes a double taxation argument works... Govt already made 5% sales tax when I bought my motor oil, presumably they don't need another 5% to dispose of it.

Another thing I don't understand is I cannot throw out steel or metal anything without the local meth heads stealing it and getting money for it at the junkyard. Other stuff you're reporting sounds bogus. Goodwill accepts anything electronic and sometimes makes a profit reselling it. There's a veterans group who collect furniture, drive up to your house with a pickup and they unload "for free" although since they're doing "good" I slip them some cash (knowing its probably paying for their lunch instead of going in their treasury, and I don't mind a bit). The only thing I can kinda understand is the countertop, but only kinda. Like where do those come from? If its wood, burn it. If its rock, bury it. If its steel the meth heads already stole it. So...

Re:Neighbors (1)

Kuroji (990107) | about 2 years ago | (#41597529)

Just because it does not make sense to you does not make it untrue. This is likely only one or two people deciding to dump there, and they may not have had the flash of insight of 'we can make a few bucks instead of just throwing out the shit we don't want'.

Frankly considering what they're tossing out it sounds like it may be someone renovating a home, in which case they're probably not going to care about what they could sell for scrap, just not wanting to be bothered to take it to the dump and deal with the fees.

Re:Neighbors (1)

vlm (69642) | about 2 years ago | (#41597643)

Just because it does not make sense to you does not make it untrue

Its more of a suspension of disbelief thing. There's no meth heads anywhere nearby? Nobody who knows you get paid for scrap metal, not pay to dispose of it? Put up a post on craigslist, "free scrap steel and stuff".

in which case they're probably not going to care about what they could sell for scrap

Owner might not care but the contractors / subs will. I don't believe there is an electrician out there who will leave copper wire laying around a jobsite, at least not on purpose. Every carpenter has a woodburning stove in his workshop... So its gotta be a homeowner doing all his own work, and probably a pretty stupid one at that.

Re:Neighbors (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 years ago | (#41597747)

Owner might not care but the contractors / subs will. I don't believe there is an electrician out there who will leave copper wire laying around a jobsite, at least not on purpose. Every carpenter has a woodburning stove in his workshop... So its gotta be a homeowner doing all his own work, and probably a pretty stupid one at that.

If I were to wager a guess, I'd go with "slumlord"

Re:Neighbors (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 2 years ago | (#41597763)

Yep. In my small, rural town, everybody gets to dump 200 pounds of stuff every month for free. Further, once a year, you can dump all you can haul over in a one week time frame. We have free electronic junk recycling. We haul off cars for free (boats you have to pay a bit extra for unless they're aluminum).

People still go to the end of the road to dump off stuff that you can legally drop off for free. And they leave envelopes / pay stubs and all manner of incriminating evidence.

The amount of stupid in the water is truly amazing.

Re:Neighbors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597671)

So did I, and you're wrong. People won't drive 500 miles to dump, but it's quite common for them to go 50-100 miles to dump entire truckloads of trash. Seen it happen; been in the truck when it happened. It isn't always that shifty-looking neighbor down the street, so stop throwing other peoples' garbage into his yard for no reason.

Further, as you're going on about how you dispose of motor oil at the local land fill, you really don't have any business giving people advice on where and how to dispose of household goods. You're doing it wrong. Oil gets recycled; it even says on the fscking label not to dump it. Yeah, there's lots of places that will take in what many throw into the landfill, like used motor oil, but have you pondered that whomever is responsible for the dumping isn't the type to put much thought into they whyfors and the howtos?

Fuckin' boot lickers (4, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about 2 years ago | (#41597375)

And any idea of what my legal rights are to videotape or record?

On your own property? To catch trespassers dumping garbage?

Jeebus, is our country so in the shit we need to ask that now? Why should corporations and the government have a right to surveil and that right be denied to us? Why is every sentence in this post a question?

Go to Bass Pro (1)

MooseTick (895855) | about 2 years ago | (#41597393)

Go to Bass Pro and get some deer cams or just google "deer cam". You can get them as cheap as $100. They do exactly what you want. End of story.

Goats (1)

ClayDowling (629804) | about 2 years ago | (#41597411)

A goat or two pastured in the area, if you're not averse to raising livestock. Goats are very protective of their territory. Might not be a viable solution if you're not around very often, but effective otherwise.

Trail cams (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597413)

Ditto on the trail came suggestion. I deployed one of these to try and catch someone who was stealing supplies and product. I bought a camera that allegedly transmitted no visible light when recording at night via IR; the problem was it did transmit a small amount of light in the red spectrum. I gambled on it anyway and hoped it wouldn't be detected. I caught my thief, I'm pretty sure, but the thief stole the Compact Flash card from the camera in the process of being filmed.. This was inside a small outbuilding; if you're recording in the woods, you'll have a much easier time concealing the camera.

Look through what they're dumping (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 2 years ago | (#41597419)

If there's any papers in it, there's a good chance you'll find names and addresses.

Imagine a phone call that starts like this:
"Kid, we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it."

This strategy is in addition to any cameras you might have set up.

You didn't tell us where you live. (1)

Elbereth (58257) | about 2 years ago | (#41597423)

You didn't tell us where you live. How are we supposed to help you, if we don't even know what country you live in? Because this is Slashdot, I guess we can just assume that you're talking about the USA (possibly Canada). But then we still don't know what state (or province) you live in! I mean, I support the One World Government as much as the next Illuminati member, but until we can bring about that glorious revolution, we'll just have to deal with all these fractured governments.

First of all, I'd try contacting the local police. You weren't explicit about who owns the land that's being used as an illegal dumping ground, but, once again, I'm going to assume that it's yours. It sounds like some laws are being broken here, but because I haven't the faintest clue where you live, all I can do is guess. Second, I'd contact some environmental activists. They live for this kind of stuff. Take some pictures, set up a blog, and get really melodramatic about how the land is being despoiled and raped. You'll get a few hippies volunteering to watch the land. No video cameras needed. Hell, they might even donate a few. If you seemed like a nice enough guy and you caught me on a good day, I might even help out.

If you just want to buy new toys and play with them, then I suspect that you'll do better going to a forum more dedicated to paranoid conspiracy theories (they love this kind of spy thriller technology), hunting, and/or survivalism.

Costco (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597425)

Costco has exactly what you are looking for, waterproof outdoor camera battery operated that takes video on SD cards. Like $100 or so.

Recycle for bucks (1)

DCFusor (1763438) | about 2 years ago | (#41597453)

I live in the middle of nowhere myself, and a couple of places have turned out to be semi-major dump sites for washing machines, refridgerators, general junk from gas grills to tires and so on.
.

I take my lawn tractor and cart to these places and load that stuff up, then take it to the metal recyclers. Makes a few bucks if you wait till you have a load big enough to counter your gas money for the trip. A little extra work to separate the copper from the iron pays off nicely too.
.

Since I also heat with wood, snail mail spam is always welcome here - free btu's.
.

But if you just want to be angry - yeah, get a deer cam and experience the frustration that the cops aren't going to do diddly squat for you on this.

Game camera (1)

sizzop (1298077) | about 2 years ago | (#41597467)

You're obviously not a hunter. A game camera is what you're describing. They're camo motion activated cameras you mount to a tree. You can have it snap pictures to an SD card, some of them have night vision, etc. Cabelas has some examples: http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&N=0&fsch=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=game+camera&x=0&y=0&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products [cabelas.com]

Legally (2)

whitedsepdivine (1491991) | about 2 years ago | (#41597485)

Legally the only restriction is audio recording someone without their consent where they do not have an expectation to privacy. That means if they are trespassing or dumping illegally they should not have an expectation of privacy. Excluding audio removes any legal issues, but you may be in your own right to audio record them if it is your property.

spikes (1)

samjam (256347) | about 2 years ago | (#41597491)

Put lots of spikes in the ground that will keep them out (or in)

Re:spikes (1)

samjam (256347) | about 2 years ago | (#41597507)

Of course put up a sign saying: "Danger - no dumping - spikes in ground!"

Then they have themselves to blame when they get a flat tyre or four

Re:spikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597549)

In Central Virginia if you set man-traps or booby-traps you can be charged criminally if someone is hurt.

Re:spikes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597639)

Even worse, in California you can be held accountable for any injuries for a trespasser. If they trip over a rock while ripping the compressor out of your A/C for copper, they have full rights to sue. Then there is the issue of "dutiful retreat" which means one has to leave if a burglar is present.

A better solution is to fake them out. (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 2 years ago | (#41597495)

Post "YOU ARE ON CAMERA" signs and put up several decoy Video cameras around where they are visible. add some solar motion lights as well.

They will move on as they think you are watching them.

Wildlife Cams (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597501)

Yes there is a perfect solution. You can purchase a Wildlife camera that is battery powered. You can mount the camera to a tree or a building and it monitors movement using a PIR (passive Infared) sensor. When movement is detected is takes a snapshot, and the image is stored on a flash media. There is on issue. Some of the cameras use a photoflash for taking pictures in the dark or low light conditions. If the flash goes off, its going to notify the perps of the camera and they will probably steal it.

I would set up a few of the cameras (hidden) and then check them, you can pull the flash and view the images. I would go with more than one since its likely that one would capture sufficient information (such as a license plate number). Expect some false positives as wildlife in the area will trigger the camera.

camera recommendation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597511)

I've bought the MUVI VCC-05 (for other purposes) and I believe it cycles video but it certainly timestamps. You can buy weatherproof case, and it has a sound trigger. As far as power source goes, I think you can hack something up with a solar panel to batteries. The camera is about $150, so I suppose you'll have to figure out if it's worth the cost.

Good luck

Trail Camera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597519)

How about using a Trail Camera, basically an Infrared, battery operated, motion detecting, Camera. I think they do video or photos.

Just get a game camera (1)

dbc (135354) | about 2 years ago | (#41597523)

There are loads of "game cameras" sold to hunters to scout hunting locations. It's going to be hard to beat the performance and value of a game camera. Check the usual sources.

That said... I have a somewhat similar situation, a mountain property and private road that is a fire road. But we have a locked gate with 10 lock slots. Out where I am at, as long as PG&E has a lock slot so that their meter readers can get up the road (to read meters at radio towers on the mountain top), and as long as the gate is "crashable", you are good to go. The CalFire trucks are all fitted with crash bars so if they come to a gate on a fire road, and you didn't have the sense to leave it unlocked as you evacuated, they can crash the gate with their truck and lift it off the hinges. Or they use a Cat, which they usually have along anyway. In case of wildfire, the gate is sacrificial. And I can say from personal experience, when you have evacuated and are watching a YouTube feed of a firebomber drop a load of orange fire retardant on your property, you say, "Hell, yes, I'll fix the gate, crash it whenever you like." Of course, we left the gate unlocked for them so it wasn't an issue.

My point: Go check with the authorities. Maybe you *can* have a gate with certain requirements. If it is a privately maintained road, that is.

Re:Just get a game camera (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 2 years ago | (#41597669)

Here in Texas, we have "Knox boxes" which are sturdy steel lockboxes which are attached to fences or embedded in cement. They use a Medeco lock, and are keyed to what the local PD or fire recommends. In the box is a key to whatever is relevant.

If there is an issue, the response people just fish the keys out of the Knox Box, open the gate, and be on their way.

simple answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597533)

Go to a store that has hunting gear, such as Academy, Bass Pro Shop, Cabelas, etc.

Buy a "Game Camera". They are digital cameras with motion sensors. Put it up in a tree, point it at the spot. They make them anywhere from $20 to $500+.

Personal information (1)

korgitser (1809018) | about 2 years ago | (#41597537)

Where I live, the dumpers are usually stupid enough to include some personal information with the trash. Envelopes with ardessess and so on. Take a look and bring the law upon them.

Try to get a shared lock for a gate (1)

cruff (171569) | about 2 years ago | (#41597561)

Have you even asked the local government about a lock for the gate that both you and they have a key for? Here in Boulder County (CO), there are some fire roads that are normally locked to prevent idiots from going where they have no business being.

Knox lock on a gate (1)

beberly37 (1236914) | about 2 years ago | (#41597565)

Put up a gate and lock it. You can talk to the local fire department about the right Knox Lock or fire access lock/box; every commercial building has a box that FD has a key to that is filled with keys to the building and they make Knox pad locks so the FD can get into gated areas.

Game Cam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597583)

What you need is a good Game camera.
http://www.basspro.com/Bushnell-Trophy-Cam-8-0-Megapixel-Digital-Game-Camera/product/10211917/

Dummy camera + real camera (1)

hack slash (1064002) | about 2 years ago | (#41597605)

The trail camera is a good idea but what if you were to take it a step further, putting up a sign saying the property is covered by CCTV and install a dummy camera that isn't hidden, plus a trail camera that is hidden. If you put up a sign and they couldn't see any cameras they might just think you're just bluffing, but if you give them something to find then they probably won't think about looking for a hidden one.

Why bother turning them in? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597625)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvZhRUsKNG4

I'm sure Aperture Labs would also sell you a self-contained power unit for the thing. Problem Solved.

PlantCam for $99 (1)

microcars (708223) | about 2 years ago | (#41597629)

look up PLANTCAM on Amazon. Several models by the same company. time-lapse pics also video, motion activated uses batteries and an SD card I think.

Remote long term camera (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597647)

Check out Harbortronics.com.
They sell a wholly autonomous solar powered stills camera that could run remotely for a year, programmable to take a shot every 5 minutes.
Hunting cameras I presume are only intended to work over a day (night). Expensive, but great for long term recording.

However, to be honest, the sign would be cheaper....

What country? (1)

FenixBrood (760690) | about 2 years ago | (#41597681)

I would put up a fake camera and a sign that says "This site is monitored, dumping is not allowed." ps What country do you live in where it cost to recycle stuff?

Check with the fire department. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41597753)

They may allow you to add a gate as long as you use the correct locking mechanism they have a key for. I've seen plenty of 'fire access' roads that have gates on them either with the 'chain of padlocks' sealing it shut or a more complex mechanism specifically to let 'any of X' keys open the gate.

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