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Canadian Spying Case Proves Floppy Drive Isn't Dead Yet

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the who-spies-on-canada?! dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The details of a Canadian spying case are coming to light, including the method of copying the sensitive data from the 'secured' computer linking five countries and the Russian handlers: Copy Data into Notepad; Save File to Floppy Drive; USB Key; ???; Profit! For $3000/mo in prepaid credit cards and wire transfers."

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ugh (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619127)

you're doing the underpants gnomes joke wrong.

an hero.

Mod parent up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620515)

Too many idiots try to be funny using canned memes, but fail completely to grasp what they are about.

Also, memes are not funny.

What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (-1, Flamebait)

scorp1us (235526) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619167)

Maple syrup recipes? Locations of the strategic maple syrup reserve? Maybe bearing see crabbing grounds information?
Do they even have a navy? I know in for the NATO coalition efforts in the middle east they had 1500 men deployed.

Make fun of them all you want. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619235)

But frankly, the fact that they aren't blowing billions of dollars on having bases in the Middle East, supporting an "ally" that stabs them in the back every chance they get while still doing things that stir up trouible - like stealing other people's land, and the fact that I've never heard protestors in a Muslim country yell, "Death to Cananda!" or a Latin/South American say something bad about a Canadian.

If it weren't for us, the US, I bet their lives would be much more peaceful.

I'll take their problems anyday.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (4, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619375)

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

dintech (998802) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620239)

Death to Canada! (this is sung to the tune of Blame Canada in the Middle East)

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620575)

In other words, we got involved with the UN-authorized war in Afghanistan, whereas we stayed out of the dubiously-justified Iraq war.

For what it's worth, we also had a minor role in the war in Libya. I noticed during the celebrations in Benghazi after the fall of Ghaddafi that among the flags being waved was a Canadian one. Rather a surprising sight.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

scorp1us (235526) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619501)

I am slightly envious of them in this regard. If they only had better weather I'd probably move there.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

Dekker3D (989692) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620415)

Maybe with all the snow, they've learned to just... chill...

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620967)

With global warming Canada is the place to be.

Joking aside, we only had three snow storms here in Halifax, Nova Scotia last year, as opposed to near weekly snow storms twenty years ago. Hell, it's 15 deg C out right now (about 60 deg F), 10 deg C is coat weather, when I was young enough to go trick-or-treating, 20 to 25 years ago,I wore a winter coat and remember snow on the ground. I haven't seen snow before November 11th in at least five years and even then it was just one day snow fall, the next day warm and sunny no snow on the ground.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (3, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621169)

But if you think the mosquitoes are bad now. wait until the entire country is a pestilential swamp. You'll be begging for snow.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (4, Insightful)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619571)

To be fair. It is not at all a forgone conclusion that if the US were to not do these things that other countries would not have to step up their defense spending.
I think that the US having to spend all this money allows allies to spend considerably less.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619665)

Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that you're an Asperger's-afflicted cunt.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (0)

mister_playboy (1474163) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619753)

I think that the US having to spend all this money allows allies to spend considerably less.

What exactly is the value of having allies with a tiny fraction of our military capability?

Too many of our relationships are still being defined by World War II or the Cold War. We need a serious foreign relations update, to reflect current realities rather than simply having American taxpayers foot the bill for countries entirely capable of looking after themselves.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (0)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619829)

Not saying you are wrong here.
Just pointing out to the "Other countries can get by with a small military " hippy, peace mother fuuckers that someone has to do it.
Might not have to be us but someone will.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (4, Insightful)

dintech (998802) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620275)

What exactly is the value of having allies with a tiny fraction of our military capability?

Because not all conflict needs to be resolved militarily?

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620641)

Then we I think we can agree it would be extremely unfortunate to have the US dragged into Turkey vs Syria because of NATO.

Now contemplate the original reason for NATO's existence... What exactly are we using it for in 2012?

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (5, Insightful)

daem0n1x (748565) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619833)

I live in one of those "other countries". As far as I'm concerned, we don't need any of your "defence spending", so feel free to cut it as much as you want. I'm pretty sure a few billion people agree with me.

The only thing your "defence spending" is defending is the big pockets of the military-industrial complex.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1, Insightful)

Dishevel (1105119) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619949)

Again. You can agree with it or not.
But if you live in Japan, Canada, Germany, France, Poland, Isreal, Taiwan or a bunch of other places if the US were to just go away tomorrow defense spending in those countries would need to go up.
Maybe not France, they can give up for a very low cost in defense spending.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620425)

LOL, with exception of Israel, and even there it's not about defense spending but what amounts to gifts in money and in kind. Poland doesn't bloody care about US military spending, neither does Japan, Canada, Germany, France nor even Taiwan.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (3, Interesting)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621043)

I hate to say it, but most of the money Canada does spend on defense is mainly to keep the US from starting conflicts here. My Dad is retired Navy and has always told me most of our ships are required to keep the American's out of our arctic territories. I do believe the Americans are the biggest threat to Canada, as the state of the world currently stands. Of course there's always another bully waiting to take the current ones place.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621305)

Of course we're you're biggest threat. Just think of us as your psychotic big brother, off his meds and rooting around your room for pocket change.

Pleasant nightmares!

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

SETY (46845) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620307)

Not that I really disagree, but from Canada's point of view who is a serious threat? China launching a marine invasion and holding the second biggest country on earth? The only serious threat to Canada is the USA and that war would be over rather quickly, so why bother with a huge military to defend against that?

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621245)

I know, all that maple syrup; our troops wouldn't stand a chance! Gives me the heebeejeebee's just thinking about Canada's first strike: the great syrup flood of NYC... all those poor people encased forever in maple deliciousness :(

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (1)

AnonyMouseCowWard (2542464) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621259)

Actually you got it just right. It used to be that the only serious threat was the US (because they might want, uh, huge.. tracts of land...), although now with the Arctic melting Russia might show up.

Also, if the US comes up here, the war might not end that quickly. The Canadian military, as little as they are, might be better prepared for resistance in winter, and invading/keeping such a large territory is difficult. And if not? The US will try to bring more baseball/American football in, and if you freaking dare touch the holy sanctity of hockey, you'll have the entire population up in arms. Beware of rabidly polite Canadians, eh.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619659)

I know it's hard for people to actually be informed on topics before they speak, but you may want to research how in the past decade or so Canada has very much gone from a "peace keeper" to a "peace maker". They were one of the first countries pushing for military intervention in Libya and their conservative government is only going to continue that going forward.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (4, Insightful)

DarthVain (724186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619941)

We only told Bush to go to hell when they wanted us to help invade Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. When the US and the UN asked us to go to Afghanistan we agreed.

However note, our current conservative government wanted to go to Iraq also but didn't have power then.

As to the whole "Death to Canada" thing, I would like to think it is because we are nice people, but more than likely we are just insignificant compared to the US in world influance. :(

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (2)

DarthVain (724186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619965)

However also I believe we are in general a more multicultural and secular people (I could just be making this up, no citations). So its not a big Jesus VS Mohammad kind of thing. Of course I doubt radicals make much distinction between one type of "unbeliever" and another...

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620727)

As for "multicultural," well, not really. From Wikipedia:

According to the 2006 census, the country's largest self-reported ethnic origin is Canadian (accounting for 32% of the population), followed by English (21%), French (15.8%), Scottish (15.1%), Irish (13.9%), German (10.2%), Italian (4.6%), Chinese (4.3%), First Nations (4.0%), Ukrainian (3.9%), and Dutch (3.3%).

So that's almost 84% people whose ancestors came from western Europe—almost 88% if you want to throw in eastern Europe too. Canada is pretty homogenous.

Re:Make fun of them all you want. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620531)

The only reason you haven't been taken over by someone like Peru is your proximity to the most powerful military force the earth has ever seen. You are a parasite that sucks on the US tit of security.

Stone Ghost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619245)

STONEGHOST (fka Intelink-C) is the joined classified intelligent of Canada, US, UK, Australia. Wait I thought BBC said there were 5 "eyes"...

Re:Stone Ghost (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619277)

New Zealand is the 5th partner.

Timothy has more partners than an Indian can count (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619335)

Seriously. Promiscuous gay nonsense.

WHAT IS WITH THIS GAY SITE? They keep changing the logo. They keep being like "OOH LOOK AT ME" about being 15 years old. SO WHAT. Seriously. SO WHAT. This is a run-down infotainment site now, little different than digg or fark. PLEASE.

Waste a modpoint on me. You only make me more powerful. (Think about that statement.)

Re:Timothy has more partners than an Indian can co (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619989)

Waste a modpoint on me. You only make me more powerful. (Think about that statement.)

I suppose if we mod you up...

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619435)

Canada and the US have several joint RADAR installations in the arctic.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619455)

Can we all agree that the penis measuring game that is military worship is played out and out dated for 2012?

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (5, Informative)

Antipater (2053064) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619463)

In World War I, a war where battles would often be counted as a loss by both sides, the Canadians never lost a battle. By the end of the war, the Germans had a network of spies dedicated to finding out what part of the line the Canadians were being sent to, because that was where the next attack would come from.

In World War II, the influx of volunteer Canadian pilots kept the RAF from being attritted into nothingness during the Battle of Britain. On D-Day, the Canadians at Juno Beach faced stiffer resistance than any other beachhead except Omaha - by day's end they had penetrated deeper into France than any of the other four beachheads. Later, it was the Canadians who drove the German Fifteenth Army, at that time the last fully cohesive German unit in the region, off their superbly-fortified position overlooking (and denying naval access to) the port of Antwerp, which the Allies desperately needed for supplies and which the British had failed to open.

You can joke all you want, but you seriously don't want to fuck with the Canadian military (and no, I'm not Canadian).

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619533)

Well put, Antipater. Nice to see someone who studies real history, not just the US classroom version!

Although, you could have mentioned how we kicked Yankee arse in 1812.....

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619691)

You and what army?

Oh yeah, the British army. Never underestimate the effect that a core of well trained profession soldiers can have on battles that would have otherwise been militias and conscripts.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619745)

Sounds like the Canadian classroom version is just an offshoot of the European classroom.

War in the Pacific? Never heard of it, but (X Country) was obviously the reason the war in Europe was won!

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619763)

Well put, Antipater. Nice to see someone who studies real history, not just the snarky pop culture whore version!

FTFY.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (4, Funny)

mister_playboy (1474163) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619781)

Although, you could have mentioned how we kicked Yankee arse in 1812.....

Canada wasn't a country until 1867.

We'll liberate you yet, don't worry. Most of you have placed yourself in easy reach along the border already... :)

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620365)

Canada wasn't a country until 1867.

Canada became a Dominion in 1867.

Damn Yankee whippersnappers...

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620371)

We'll liberate you yet, don't worry. Most of you have placed yourself in easy reach along the border already... :)

Are you really so naive?? 95+% of our 35m people (err, shock troopers hardened in the north working as jumberjacks and hunting bears with knives to survive or skinning beaver tails) is within 100km of the border. When an order is given, these troops will sweep down to the Gulf, only pausing for a minute to burn the whitehouse twice.

Easy access goes both ways, eh? :) No wander US gov't is freaking out and spending billions on the northern border.

CAPTCHA: decimate

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620717)

When the time comes, the US will take over Canada by sending letters to the heads of all the provinces. The letter will read something like Congratulations, you are now the governor of the great state of X. Please forward all tax revenue to the IRS at the following address.

Letters will also be sent to the members of parliament offering them time shares in Florida.

It could be years before the average Canadian figures out their country has been taken over.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621113)

It could be years before the average Canadian figures out their country has been taken over.

It won't take long to figure it out actually. When we see President Romney addressing the nation on TV and our currency all looks the same again we'll know immediately the huge mistake we've made.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619837)

The Canadians (well, really the British) won because they successfully repulsed the US invasion.
The US won because they stopped the retaliatory British attacks (ask why the White House is white).
The only losers were the North American natives.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (2)

OAB_X (818333) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620087)

And that could possibly be only because Broc died. He had supported Tecumseh in his bid for 'nationhood', but got himself killed in a battle. His superiors were not as grateful to the native leader as the guy who was fighting alongside them was. However, what would one generals belief do in London? It's unclear.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620065)

I think the Polish and New Zealander's would like to discuss who "kept the RAF from being attritted into nothingness". And I'm pretty sure the British would not consider having around 1900 of their 2350 pilots left at the end of the Battle of Britain as being "attritted into nothingness".

I don't see how triumphant and selective reporting of war time events is any better coming from Canadians than it is from Americans.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619563)

Dear Canadian Fan.

Have you ever heard of the Dieppe Raid?

Sincerely,

A Canadian

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620281)

Nope, we don't forget. What you might think of as a defeat, we think of as a sacrifice. A sacrifice for the greater good, without the pomp and the ceremony and the breast beating. http://www.globalnews.ca/dieppe+uncovered/6442694158/story.html [globalnews.ca]

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620479)

It was a defeat and a sacrifice. If they had met their objectives it would have been a victory and a sacrifice. If they had committed suicide it would have been just a sacrifice. As it was, they had every intention of winning but failed to do so.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619569)

You forgot to mention Dieppe.

(Or maybe you didn't forget.)

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619783)

no, for sure, you must be a german *g

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620781)

I believe Dieppe was in WWI, didn't we lose that one, or was it we won, but the losses were so agrevious?

Also on the WWI front, so far as Canadians go, Billy Bishop was a WWI fighter ace that was Canadian. Not only did he have more kills than anyone else (in the entire war from any country), it wasn't even close. Everyone hears about the "Red Baron" but he couldn't hold a candle to Billy's accomplishments (I believe it was something like 50+ planes, just looked it up 72!). He also had the distinction of actually surviving the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bishop [wikipedia.org]

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (1)

Antipater (2053064) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621223)

Dieppe was World War 2, not World War 1. And Bishop's 72 victories puts him at #4 in the war [wikipedia.org], and #2 of those who survived. The Red Baron had 80, and France's Rene Fonck (who also survived) had 75.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619565)

He had access to Stone Ghost: "It's a computer system that links the five eyes. The five eyes are the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. All their information is shared on the Stone Ghost computer." (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/10/ns-delisle-spy-hearing.html) So it's not just Canadian secrets.

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619607)

Actually we did have quite a large quantity of maple syrup stolen from our reserves a month ago:

http://i.imgur.com/2nnZJ.jpg [imgur.com]

Re:What secrets do the Canadians have? Maple syrup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620051)

Well, since Canada and the US happen to be allies, Canada happens to have information on the whereabouts of a great deal of US forces. They're privy to details on NATO missions also. Canada could be just an easier way to spy on the US.

Cas and carry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619217)

Jack Harris, the NDP's defence critic told the CBC: "Canadians need to know how a Canadian naval officer could walk in and out of one of the most secure places in Canada, Trinity, with a thumb drive. You can't walk out of a diamond mine with diamonds in your pocket."

The modern day equivalent is sneaking out integrated circuits and other high dollar, but small electronics from various places in the distribution chain.

Re:Cas and carry. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619311)

I betting getting diamonds out of a mine can be done the same way as a USB drive, swallow them.

So... (1)

JustAnotherIdiot (1980292) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619295)

Because the floppy drive was used once, suddenly it's not a dead technology?

Re:So... (4, Insightful)

flyingsquid (813711) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619539)

The internet has definitely changed the espionage game. If you think about it, the entire premise of Star Wars falls apart completely in an internet society. The movie starts out with Vader trying to recover the plans for the Death Star which are stored on R2D2, and then the entire middle of the movie involves trying to physically transport R2 to the Rebels to allow them to stage an attack. If the Empire had internet, then the rebel spies would have just uploaded the plans for the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance, and you'd skip straight to the final scene of the movie.

Re:So... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619629)

It was the best SneakerNet available. Probably the Empire would find any base station transmitting that far before it could finish. Plus we haven't exactly finished work on those deep-space FTL network, either.

Re:So... (3, Funny)

jd2112 (1535857) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619831)

The AutoCAD file for the Death Star must have been humongous. Transmiting a file that large would have exceeded their data caps.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620137)

I realize parent and grandparent are mostly joking but the internet has not solved the problem of moving around very large amounts of data, quite on the contrary. The disk sizes have been growing much faster for the last 30 years than the network bandwidth. Even today when there is a larger amount of data, it's transferred physically, not over IP.

And to continue the hilarity, refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFC_1149 [wikipedia.org]

Re:So... (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619969)

If the Empire had internet, then the rebel spies would have just uploaded the plans for the Death Star to the Rebel Alliance, and you'd skip straight to the final scene of the movie.

You're assuming a free and open internet (or holonet as described in the books), that wouldn't have been monitored by the Empire. With the Empire monitoring all communications a transfer of Death Start plans would have informed the Empire to the location of both the sender and the receiver.

Re:So... (2)

hack slash (1064002) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620059)

They could have modulated the death star ray to transmit data.

Perhaps they did and some idiot turned up the gain when transmitting a threat to Alderaan...

Re:So... (3, Informative)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620523)

No.

I work with point clouds for scanning military vessels. That's what the data on the screen in Star Wars shows, point clouds.

Each compartment IRL is a couple of GB of data. The Death star, assuming 1000 compartments, would require several Terabytes of point cloud information in order for it to be useful to the Alliance. We have trouble moving individual compartments around our 1000 Network and it's just easier to move stuff around on portable hard drives.

Re:So... (2)

PhotoJim (813785) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620197)

Until there are 50-cent, rewritable at will and without hassle, flat storage media, floppy disks still have some utility. Obviously the utility is declining because of their limited capacity, but I still use 'em. I throw adequate-res photos of clients' property into their insurance files. Way faster and easier than burning an optical disc.

USB flash drives are just as convenient, but they're still too pricey for some applications. If you could buy tens-of-megabyte thin, flat flash drives for tens of cents each, I'd buy a case of them.

Re:So... (1)

WuphonsReach (684551) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621185)

Bulk USB drives can be had for as low as $1-$2 each. Which is about what 1.44MB floppy disks used to cost.

SD and micro SD cards can be had for below $1 each.

Canada Has A Military? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619321)

In other news, most governments systems are either accessed by so many people, or so antiquated, as to make this kind of thing easy. The Canadians could do a lot worse than following some basic advice on keeping hold of their sensitive information!
http://360is.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/wikileaks-lessons-for-uk-information.html

AG

Risk mitigation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619343)

TO ALL EMPLOYEES:

Effective immediately, all documents must be at least 1.46 MB in size.

- The mgmt

P.S. Nobody even THINK about installing PKZIP, k?

Re:Risk mitigation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620251)

Well, to be pedantic, the actual capacity of the most recent incarnation (DS/DD or whatever) of standard floppy is 2MB unformatted, which you can actually almost all of if you just tar a file on it and don't bother with the pesky filesystem part.

Re:Risk mitigation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620545)

Extended Density crams a whopping 2.88MB onto a 3.5" floppy! The future is here in force.

Re:Risk mitigation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620627)

Most of the recent floppy disk quality has gone done ever since the brand name manufacturers have gone out of that market.

Word of the day: Unknown

No way to avoid it! (1)

aglider (2435074) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619467)

Almost all ways to peruse digital documents involve a copy to be done somewhere. That copy can be somehow defended against unwanted accesses. But if I am allowed to make a copy-of-the-copy, then security is gone: there's no way to defend the second level copy any more. It doesn't matter whether it's text, a picture, a map, a formula, an MP3 or a digital movie.

$3000 a month? (2)

SilverJets (131916) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619675)

This piece of shit sold out my country for a lousy $3000 a month?

Re:$3000 a month? (2)

TheCarp (96830) | about a year and a half ago | (#41619847)

Meh, and your government probably paid people in other countries to do the same. Not a big deal really....everybody is doing it, then pretending to be surprized when it happens to them. Piece of shit? Only if people within the government work with equivalent shitbags elsewhere.

Frankly, I don't care too much when people do the same to "my country". Damned government doesn't have our interests at heart anyway, why should I care what happens to them and their secrets? Not my problem.

Re:$3000 a month? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620441)

Meh, and your government probably paid people in other countries to do the same.

Actually, no. Canada does not have a spy agency that recruits spies in foreign countries.

There is the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, https://www.csis.gc.ca/index-eng.asp [csis.gc.ca], and the much less well known Communications Security Establishment Canada, http://www.cse-cst.gc.ca/index-eng.html [cse-cst.gc.ca].

The Communications Security Establishment is analogous to the US NSA. They gather signals intelligence & break codes.
 

Re:$3000 a month? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620037)

That's why I'm a good security risk. I'd want billions to do any sort of spying. I don't think anyone would pay billions for any secrets hiding out there.

I'd also demand payment up front before I did anything. After all, I wouldn't trust them to pay me after I gave them the information. Of course, then I might just decided to take the money and run. I figure with billions, I could manage to keep myself safe.

For an additional fee, I might be persuaded by my government to turn over false information. So long as I get to keep all the money of course.

My Captcha was virtuous. Sometimes I think the Captcha generator is psychic.

Re:$3000 a month? (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620693)

When he tried to break it off, they said, "Oh, no problem. By the way, totally unrelated matter, here's a picture of your daughter walking to school.

"Just thinking out loud, I wonder how much a girl like that would sell for in Russia. Anyway, yeah sure, if you want to stop spying for us, that's... oh, you're going to keep it up? That's cool too."

The stuff I know is freaking boring*. Part of OpSec is for me to simply divulge everything I know, then when the captors fall asleep, we just quietly walk out of the room.

*It's also not classified.

Re:$3000 a month? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620145)

Ask your MP how much his/her price is. It will be lower than you expect.

Re:$3000 a month? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620467)

Yes, but that's tax free money. With income tax in Canada that's like making $6K/month in pre tax income.

Hrrmm.. ok you're right. It's a pittance. I can make that much as a lead dev no problem. Maybe this guy only had a high school education?

Dumb article (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41619779)

the guy used a THUMB USB DRIVE
you fucking yankies are dropping in reading skills too

Re:Dumb article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620349)

you fucking yankies are dropping in reading skills too

You got to HAVE some reading skills before you can drop them...

Reminds me of a joke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620023)

Q: What does an old computer and an old prostitute have in common?
A: They both take 3.5inch floppies!

Article is wrong, guy used a thumb drive (1)

OAB_X (818333) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620069)

The article is wrong. Grep the CBC article for 'thumb drive'. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/10/ns-delisle-spy-hearing.html [www.cbc.ca]

Re:Article is wrong, guy used a thumb drive (1)

OAB_X (818333) | about a year and a half ago | (#41620437)

Or the CBC is internally inconsistent and can't figure out if he used a floppy drive, thumb drive or both.

Re:Article is wrong, guy used a thumb drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620521)

The secured machine from which he stole the information apparently had only a floppy drive. He collected the data, put it on the floppy disk, put the floppy disk into a different machine, then copied it from that second machine to a thumb drive which he took off the facility.

The answer is "he used both".

Re:Article is wrong, guy used a thumb drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620827)

It's a pretty standard setup in secure environments. The write-protect switch allows you to take in unclassified information easily into a classified environment without having to worry about classified information being written to said floppy. Sure, a CD-R is just as good here, but sloooooow to write (all the extra actions necessary with the finalizing and whatnot), expensive (monetarily early on, time wise still), and not rewriteable.

Re:Article is wrong, guy used a thumb drive (1)

sackbut (1922510) | about a year and a half ago | (#41621115)

It is also interesting that supposedly he did not actually transmit the data he stole directly to his handlers. He would write a synopsis (mostly about Russian mobsters) and send that via email. It couldn't have been that much raw data, unless the data itself was somehow detectable in an email or attachment via CSE or NSA.

Not all dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#41620361)

It's only mostly dead.

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