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Seafood Raised on Animal Feces Approved for Consumers

samzenpus posted about 2 years ago | from the smells-like-progress dept.

Idle 386

If you are a seafood lover and wish that you could eat more fish raised on pig feces, your dreams are coming true. Due to fierce competition in the Chinese tilapia industry, farmers are increasingly switching to feces instead of commercial feed. From the article: "At Chen Qiang’s tilapia farm in Yangjiang city in China’s Guangdong province, which borders Hong Kong, Chen feeds fish partly with feces from hundreds of pigs and geese. That practice is dangerous for American consumers, says Michael Doyle, director of the University of Georgia’s Center for Food Safety. 'The manure the Chinese use to feed fish is frequently contaminated with microbes like salmonella,' says Doyle, who has studied foodborne diseases in China."

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386 comments

Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (5, Insightful)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 2 years ago | (#41627579)

They don't give a fuck. Why do you think all their shit (accidental pun) is so cheap? Whatever it takes to squeeze a nickel even if it means killing some workers or customers.

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627601)

Don't worry - the free market will work all of this out!

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627629)

It will. Have you seen Ron Paul's ass as of late?

Badum-tish!

God bless the free market! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627681)

Don't worry - the free market will work all of this out!

Actually, i don't, providing that we -the consumers- are informed (like we are now), so we -the consumers- can choose if we want feces with our fish (i dont't mind so mutch, but i understand that it's a matter of taste) - way better than a non free market where your only option would be...

Re:God bless the free market! (4, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | about 2 years ago | (#41627735)

Where are we consumers informed of this? Does your local Wal-Mart store have badges on the bags of frozen tilapia that says which ones were raised on shit and which ones weren't?

The free market dictates that consumers shouldn't hear about this because that would impede the demand for the product and thus drive the prices and profit ranges down.

Re:God bless the free market! (4, Insightful)

Vaphell (1489021) | about 2 years ago | (#41627889)

consumers are as much to blame. They vote with their wallets and they choose price before everything else repeatedly. It's not like the shitty quality of average junk from china was not known for decades, yet it still has no problem finding the buyers.

Re:God bless the free market! (5, Insightful)

blippo (158203) | about 2 years ago | (#41628091)

Yes, but the price is almost the only information consumers can base there decision on. That, and the packaging design.

The only way to get more information is to legislate. The food industry would be happy if they could sell processed shit wrapped in
a nice box, without bothering with involving fish at all.

Re:God bless the free market! (3, Interesting)

Vaphell (1489021) | about 2 years ago | (#41628149)

i agree that the precise characteristics of the product are unavailable, but it doesn't require a rocket scientist to read the ingredients from time to time (yet nobody does it) or to know that the junk food is made of junk and is bad for you or that the chinese crap == shitton of nasty pollution and no worker rights whatsoever pretty much by definition.
Ignorance is a bliss and most people choose to be oblivious.

Re:God bless the free market! (5, Insightful)

Raumkraut (518382) | about 2 years ago | (#41628359)

Do you know why food products provide accurate lists of ingredients on the packaging in the first place?
That's right; legislation.

Re:God bless the free market! (1, Insightful)

alexgieg (948359) | about 2 years ago | (#41629077)

Do you know why food products provide accurate lists of ingredients on the packaging in the first place?
That's right; legislation.

Before there was such legislation you could still restrict yourself to only purchase from companies that voluntarily got certified and voluntarily informed ingredients. No one were making you buy food from producers who didn't list ingredients. It was your choice to buy from them. You could always go and pay 5x more for the good stuff. And, if in doubt whether it actually was the good stuff, contract a well known specialist to provide you professional assurance on whether it actually was or wasn't the good stuff.

Nanny State is this: nanny. It forces everyone to spend more than they'd want to on premium stuff they don't care about or that have lower priority for them even though, given the choice, they'd prefer to buy the dirt cheap crap instead and deal with the consequences of applying their own free will, as the responsible adults they are and should be.

Re:God bless the free market! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628465)

Except in this story the ingredients will only say: Fish

Re:God bless the free market! (5, Funny)

blane.bramble (133160) | about 2 years ago | (#41628601)

I shall launch my new brand:

Fish-It

Then they can't claim they weren't warned!

Re:God bless the free market! (4, Interesting)

sjames (1099) | about 2 years ago | (#41628171)

When there's no other comprehensible information available, it's only natural they choose based on price first. The packages don't say fish raised on goose shit, now do they? In some cases, large producers have lobbied (with some success) to either prevent labeling food that avoids a controversial practice or they lobby for a definition that could apply to nearly anything sold as food including ground glass so they can slap the meaningless bullet point on their packages too.

Even brand name is now worthless information, much of it is just the cheap stuff re-badged and sold for more these days.

Re:God bless the free market! (3, Insightful)

manwargi (1361031) | about 2 years ago | (#41628173)

They buy quality/brand names when it matters or when they can afford it. If people only cared for the cheapest products available, there wouldn't quite be a market for organic free range cage free free trade products made without high fructose corn syrup. There wouldn't be such large lines for Apple products (ok this is more a case of status symbol but it doesn't take away from my point too much).

Re:God bless the free market! (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about 2 years ago | (#41628545)

They buy quality/brand names when it matters or when they can afford it. If people only cared for the cheapest products available, there wouldn't quite be a market for organic free range cage free free trade products made without high fructose corn syrup.

First, the reputation of a brand name is indicative of the brand's value to consumers in the past. That value may continue today, or it may be subjected to some MBA "extract the value from the brand" type strategy - i.e. same shit as the others, but with a higher price and fatter profit margin. Shopping blindly by brand may be better than shopping blindly by price, but it's by no means guaranteed; without better product information, you're shopping blindly in both cases.

Secondly, feeding fish with shit instead of purchased feed sounds very organic to me. If the shit content is increased sufficiently, they may even merit a nice organic label. So in addition to reducing their costs, one might expect them to increase their prices. That's what any astute businessperson would do.

Re:God bless the free market! (2)

thegarbz (1787294) | about 2 years ago | (#41628629)

The mere existence of high end and quality products both food and otherwise show quite clearly that consumers DON'T choose price before everything. I see iPhones in peoples hands instead of cheap Huawei smartphones, 50" TVs from reputable brands in peoples homes rather than the likes of Palsonic, and at the local supermarket premium smoked salmon moves off the shelf quite quickly as do the fancy goat cheeses nice solid blocks of parmesan and gourmet sausages.

If anything premium products are on the rise. There's only the select few that pick price before everything else, those who live paycheck to paycheck and can't do it any other way, and those who just don't care about the product in question.

Re:God bless the free market! (5, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about 2 years ago | (#41628235)

The free market requires that consumers must here about this, because the free market relies on an informed consumer. The free market is designed to drive the prices and profits down; that is the entire point of a free market - that multiple vendors compete for the patronage of consumers in a fair manner, by offering the best products for the most attractive price.

If you're not getting that, then you're not in a free market.

Re:God bless the free market! (5, Funny)

Raumkraut (518382) | about 2 years ago | (#41628397)

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong!

The free market is about freedom for corporations; to sell whatever crap they want, however they want. If corporations cannot maximise profit by colluding to artificially maintain high prices and low wages, then the market is clearly not free!

Re:God bless the free market! (1)

shentino (1139071) | about 2 years ago | (#41628621)

Unfortunately information is a commodity and it is in the supplier's interest to provide as little of it as possible.

Also, it's not exactly a free market if suppliers can gang up on the government to pass laws in their favor.

Re:God bless the free market! (2, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | about 2 years ago | (#41628801)

Also true. I wasn't suggesting the US was a free market. I'm just saying people who are blaming the "free market" for the sorry state of the US' consumer rights are picking the wrong target.

Re:God bless the free market! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628567)

And what did you think bottom feeding seafood was fed on before it got to you. In the wild, or in captivity it's the same. You can't fatting everything with grain ya know, and theres a lot of shit to go round. Time to eat your share.

Re:God bless the free market! (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about 2 years ago | (#41628591)

Pretty much every food item does have labelling on it saying where it was sourced from. Buying food coming out of China is basically nuts, just don't do it. I always check country of source and when it doubt about packed produce that is unclear I just avoid it. I do not buy any food coming out of China, I double wash all clothes in very hot water coming out off China prior to wearing (if the clothes wont tolerate that, then those types of clothes I source from more reliable locations). Buying food out of China is playing Russian sure there might be a whole bunch of empty chambers but you are bound to eventually cop a bullet to the belly.

Re:God bless the free market! (3, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | about 2 years ago | (#41628603)

Forgot to mention, rich Chinese buy most of the food imported from Australia for a reason.

Re:God bless the free market! (2)

rohan972 (880586) | about 2 years ago | (#41628615)

Where are we consumers informed of this?

The Bloomberg article linked in the summary, by a private company.

The free market dictates that consumers shouldn't hear about this

That's absurd, we are discussing it. We have heard about it and not from the government. That's not to say I'm against any and all regulation, but you can now that you know you can choose seafood from places with better standards. If you buy domestic rather than imported products you will know that your own countries standards apply.

Re:God bless the free market! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628645)

Where are we consumers informed of this? Does your local Wal-Mart store have badges on the bags of frozen tilapia that says which ones were raised on shit and which ones weren't?

Yes, actually they do. There's a big fucking sign on the front that says "Wal-Mart" which means you should assume it's the cheapest shit the Chinese can churn out, and to hell with safety, quality control, and regulations. The exceptions will bear labels on the actual packaging.

The free market dictates that consumers shouldn't hear about this because that would impede the demand for the product and thus drive the prices and profit ranges down.

The local Wal-Mart sells "organic, local, free-range" eggs from the local distributor for 5 times the price of the Wal-Mart brand, and they regularly sell out all the stock a good 12 hours before the next delivery. I have friends who work there, and they have to trash a good portion of the store-brand eggs because they just don't sell them fast enough.

I'm sure it also varies by region. As a consumer, you need to inform yourself. Anything from overseas will say "imported" on it, and the country of origin. If you don't know what the Chinese or Mexicans are doing in terms of regulations, inspections, and controls, then quit picking up the cheapest crap off the shelf and buy stuff locally where you DO have access to the information you seek.
Quit being lazy, get off your ass, and stop expecting everybody to do everything for you.

Re:God bless the free market! (1)

sonamchauhan (587356) | about 2 years ago | (#41628187)

Even information has a price. Stop dreaming and wake up!

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 2 years ago | (#41629025)

Yes it probably will. It will cause customers who are worried to avoid Chinese sea food, might even put the producers or the importers out of business.

Looks what some of the contaminated vegetable scares have done to certain groups of farmers in our nation. They have driven them out of business and forced others to take elaborate measures to ensure and convince customers of the safety of their product.

With "openness" the market will do the job just fine. As long as people know where their sea food product is coming from and what the methods of production are I don't see any problem.

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627633)

We buy it. Seems more like a commentary on everyone.

In other news, your vegetables are all grown in feces too. ;)

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (2)

pspahn (1175617) | about 2 years ago | (#41627713)

In other news, your vegetables are all grown in feces too. ;)

Yeah, but that's nice hearty steer manure. Good stuff. So rich and alive with plant loving goodness.

Goose shit is just disgusting. It's sorta green, sorta white, not really solid and all slimy and uck. I mean, can you imagine stepping into your garden to pick a tomato, and you get this slimy crap all over your clogs?

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (1)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 2 years ago | (#41628129)

We buy it. Seems more like a commentary on everyone.

In other news, your vegetables are all grown in feces too. ;)

No they are not. They are grown in composted feces (which kills most of the harmful bacteria), or in other words manure.

Re:Chinese regulators are like Honey Badger (1)

robot5x (1035276) | about 2 years ago | (#41627931)

i was on /. the other day posting in the story about the fake chinese air bags.
I asked - "surely there are some good news stories about China out there somewhere, that doesn't involve flagrant breaches of environmental/labour/any other protocols or laws??"

LOL

Haha (2)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 2 years ago | (#41628145)

And which country outsourced its production to China? Oh wait, American CEO's and shareholders did that for the benefit of their customers and workers.

Nobody forced America to buy crap from China.

Do you know what real animals eat? (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 2 years ago | (#41627613)

Anyone with a dog has probably seen it eat, literally, crap.

Heck, honey is basically bees throwing up for you.

In the real world, animals are messy critters that eat a lot of stuff you would never eat yourself, some of which you would not survive eating.

In the end it's a good reason to wash and cook food properly before eating, but not necessarily something to panic over, even practices that sounds as odd as this.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627671)

I agree with superkendal on the idea, that animals eating poo is not strange.
But what do concerns me about this idea is that the feces are probably from big pig farms where pigs get industrial food, which lacks recources pigs don't need but other creatures would. I would have less a problem with this idea if the fish eat nonindustrial feces.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627725)

Anyone with a dog has probably seen it eat, literally, crap.

Personnaly, I don't eat dogs ... just sayin' ...

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627847)

I did: https://www.google.com/search?hl=de&q=thit+cho&tbm=isch
Tastes OK.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627883)

that would have to be one charming motherfucking pig.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628739)

Anyone with a dog has probably seen it eat, literally, crap.

Personnaly, I don't eat dogs ... just sayin' ...

Anybody who has spent any time on a farm can tell you that cows eat a lot of their own shit, literally. And I'm not talking about large, industrial farms either, I'm talking about free-range cattle. I remember once watching a cow grazing on some tall grass, while another cow was shitting all over the first one's head and of course the grass it was eating.
Pigs are even worse, they eat damn near anything. Chickens are, too.

I'm not claiming what the article is talking about is safe. I'm saying that people need to stop being reactionary and screaming "OMFG the animal ate shit so by extension I'M eating shit too!" and go find out exactly what's going on and if it's even something to get worried about.

Do you know what real microbes eat? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627741)

'The manure the Chinese use to feed fish is frequently contaminated with microbes like salmonella,'

Nothing ODD there.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

drkim (1559875) | about 2 years ago | (#41627769)

...honey is basically bees throwing up for you.

Uh, no.
Honey is a highly refined food bees make themselves. It is not a waste product.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | about 2 years ago | (#41627893)

Honey is a highly refined food bees make themselves.

And how do the make it [wikipedia.org] ?

It is not a waste product.

Nobody said it was. If it's being harvested for you it's being made for you, even if the bees had other plans. This is true for everything you eat: nothing grows seeds, fruit, flesh or whatever with your appetite in mind.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#41628037)

It is not a waste product.

Nobody said it was.

No, but shit is, and that was the subject of the article.

As to honey, that's not comparable at all. It's not a waste product, it's intended to be eaten, so there's an incentive for it to be clean.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628835)

It is not a waste product.

Nobody said it was.

No, but shit is, and that was the subject of the article.

As to honey, that's not comparable at all. It's not a waste product, it's intended to be eaten, so there's an incentive for it to be clean.

Ever think about what ALL fish swim in?

Moby Dick don't have no outhouse.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | about 2 years ago | (#41629027)

No, but shit is, and that was the subject of the article.

And the thrust of the post that started this thread was other stuff besides. If you only want to talk about shit...well, I would have said move to another thread, but now I think of it talking about shit is what Slashdot is for, so never mind.

As to honey, that's not comparable at all. It's not a waste product, it's intended to be eaten, so there's an incentive for it to be clean.

The fish sea birds regurgitate for their chicks is intended to be eaten, and is therefore not a waste product. It would also make you very sick. Intended to be eaten does not equate to human ideas of edible, honey merely falls into both categories.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

drkim (1559875) | about 2 years ago | (#41628143)

It is not a waste product.

Nobody said it was.

I'm pretty sure somebody said it was "bee throw up." Maybe you eat vomit, but for me, "throw up" is a waste product.

This is true for everything you eat: nothing grows seeds, fruit, flesh or whatever with your appetite in mind.

Actually, a lot of fruits and vegetables have evolved to be deliberately attractive to eat by humans and other animals, so they can spread the seeds in their fæces.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 2 years ago | (#41628583)

And how do the make it ?

Certainly not by including living and decomposing dead bacteria in it!

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627899)

Heck, honey is basically bees throwing up for you.

It's bees "throwing up" for other bees, not for you. From the perspective of the bees, a beekeper is a huge, unstoppable giant who comes and steals most of the honey that took so much hard work (and so many individual drone lives) for the hive to accumulate.

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#41628131)

Hmmm, sounds like an idea for a movie.

If bees have language, their name for us probably translates as "furless bears".

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (2)

sonamchauhan (587356) | about 2 years ago | (#41628209)

hmmm... yes, a movie, yes.

  "The Matrix"? How's that for a working title?

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (1)

blane.bramble (133160) | about 2 years ago | (#41628611)

Doesn't do it for me.

Maybe "The Great Escape"?

Re:Do you know what real animals eat? (2)

rvw (755107) | about 2 years ago | (#41629005)

Anyone with a dog has probably seen it eat, literally, crap.

Heck, honey is basically bees throwing up for you.

In the real world, animals are messy critters that eat a lot of stuff you would never eat yourself, some of which you would not survive eating.

In the end it's a good reason to wash and cook food properly before eating, but not necessarily something to panic over, even practices that sounds as odd as this.

What is manure [wikipedia.org] ? It's animal shit that we use to fertilize land on which we grow plants to eat. That has been done for ages.

Dogs that eat their own or other dog's shit probably lack Kalium. Feeding them bananas will compensate for this, and if you do this properly you can teach them not to eat shit by rewarding them with bananas. I've seen Cesar do this, and I know dogs like bananas.

I say waiter... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627641)

...this tuna tastes like pig poo

Can we genetically modify ourselves? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 2 years ago | (#41627649)

We can make ourselves resistant to this and other bacteria and viruses. Then we can go back to the old days, and empty our pisspots out in the street and mix it up with the horse shit. It'll make a nice yummy meal and you can wash it down with some great mineral water [jt.org]

Big whoop (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627699)

Will people please stop shit-talking this revolutionary new system? I mean, I don't give a crap if people act like turds and blame fish for salmonella. These days all people do is dump on new ideas and flush them down the toilet rather than give them a chance. Either we can tuck our turtle heads back into the shell or we can embrace this new technique. Pass the tilapia!

And suddenly I have zero appetite for seafood... (0)

gweihir (88907) | about 2 years ago | (#41627771)

Could this get any more disgusting? Or dangerous?

Re:And suddenly I have zero appetite for seafood.. (3, Insightful)

Loki_666 (824073) | about 2 years ago | (#41627779)

I think the answer to that is a firm Yes!

Re:And suddenly I have zero appetite for seafood.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627915)

How about this? http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/21/chinese-cooking-oil-made-from-sewage/
Or this: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/05/04/chinese-sewage-celery/

(Note site sidebars and some other articles contain NSFW content)

This kind of thing seems to just be SOP in China.

nothing to see here, move along (1)

samion.blanc (2729103) | about 2 years ago | (#41627781)

what do you think those bottom feeding insects of the sea eat in the wild.

Re:nothing to see here, move along (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628389)

Crustaceans aren't insects. Both are arthropods, though.

That's what a lot of fish and shellfish eat... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about 2 years ago | (#41627793)

They eat nutrient-rich excrement that floats about in the water.

Why do you think that prawns aren't kosher, or halal (which is basically the same thing) for that matter?

Re:That's what a lot of fish and shellfish eat... (4, Interesting)

skine (1524819) | about 2 years ago | (#41627929)

Obviously the headline is misleading, this is Slashdot.

The basic point of TFA is that many of the practices of Vietnamese fishermen have the potential to spread disease to Americans. Also, while the FDA inspects only 2.7% of imported food, 1380 loads of seafood from Vietnam have been rejected for "filth and salmonella" in the last five years.

Re:That's what a lot of fish and shellfish eat... (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#41628221)

Clearly it's because ancient people in the Middle East did a scientific study and discovered that shellfish hang around outside sewage plants, even though there weren't any such thing.

I mean this is clearly a long shot, but bear with me: they go off quickly when you haven't got a fridge and you live in the desert, which led to some random goat herder getting a dose of Dagon's revenge.

Kosher!=Halal (2)

ryzvonusef (1151717) | about 2 years ago | (#41628481)

While Prawns are not Kosher according to Jewish Dietary laws (something about shell fish not having horns?...I dunno, anybody wanna clarify?), *ALL* seafood, (from prawns to sharks to sea cucumbers and what-have-you) is deemed Halal according to Islamic Dietary laws; heck the laws are *staked* in favour of sea food vs land meat; no ritual regarding sacrifice, no restrictions either. I can go to any fish serving place and eat their produce, no questions asked.

Mad Fish Disease? (3, Insightful)

courcoul (801052) | about 2 years ago | (#41627813)

Ok, first we had Mad Cow Disease, which proves fatal to humans if you get it. For those too young to remember, it was caused by "enriching" cow feed with ground up sheep offal in order to recicle the waste, increase the protein content of the feed and increase the profit to the farmer. This caused the bugs to get into the cows brains and turn them to mush. Called Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy in the cow flavor, Kreutzfeld-Jakobs syndrome in human flavor, basically turns your brains into a bloody sponge full of holes, then you die inevitably, be it cow or human.

Wait for the upcoming Mad Fish Scare. Just remember every time your MacFish stick or burger tastes like shit.

Re:Mad Fish Disease? (5, Informative)

pieterh (196118) | about 2 years ago | (#41627921)

Well, there is in fact a real threat here. A common parasite in fresh water fish in tropical countries is the liver fluke, a worm that lives part of its cycle in the human gut and is responsible, in cases, for cholangiocarcinoma, cancer of the bile duct. The worm attaches near the bile duct and produces chemicals that create cancer so it can eat the by-products. Nice little beast. It's a slow developing cancer that kills suddenly because it has no symptoms until it reaches a late stage. It's one of the commoner reasons for death among 50-year old males in countries where it's endemic.

One assumes there's more resistance in populations that have been exposed to this parasite for thousands of years. Women suffer much less from bile duct cancer than men, so there's variation in individual vulnerability. But as Chinese fish is exported, and ends up in places like cheap sushi bars in Birmingham, the parasite ends up in thousands, perhaps millions of people who have little resistance.

Attack of the Killer Sushi.

I should know, I got bile duct cancer a year or two ago and since there were no antecedents in my family, this seemed the most likely cause.

If we started feeding fish on pig feces, it's a slippery slope (sorry!) to feeding them human feces.

Good news is a yearly de-worming should be sufficient to prevent bile-duct cancer, if anyone cared about this.

Cooking kills diseases (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628529)

To human knowledge, Mad Cow disease (prions) is pretty unique. It is stable at hundreds of degrees. For everything else, boiling water will kill it. Our ancestors used fire for a reason instead of eating everything raw.

Re:Cooking kills diseases (3, Informative)

oneiros27 (46144) | about 2 years ago | (#41628685)

The origins of cooking likely had little to do with disease; you don't start having the problems at the scales we see in modern times until you've had domestication and keep them in more confined areas than they'd have been in nature. (which is basically, all farming, not just the factory stuff).

The early advantage of cooking is that it although it may destroy some nutrients (hence the raw food movement), it makes others more available for human absorbtion, so there's a net gain. This is what's attributed to human's large brains -- they're rather costly in terms of energy, but cooking lets us spend less time eating for the same nutrients.

And I say this as someone who's not allowed to give blood, as I'm an increased likelihood of Mad Cow. And I should mention that just bringing to a boil isn't enough for some food borne illnesses (eg, botulism or other spores), particularly if you're at an elevation significantly above sea level.

Re:Mad Fish Disease? (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about 2 years ago | (#41628707)

Wasn't Mad Cow caused by cows eating parts of other cows, not sheep? Just like human versions of it are common in cultures that practice cannibalism.

Not actually approved (5, Insightful)

Jimmy_B (129296) | about 2 years ago | (#41627831)

From the article:

"Ngoc Sinh has been certified as safe by Geneva-based food auditor SGS SA, says Nguyen Trung Thanh, the company’s general director."
"SGS spokeswoman Jennifer Buckley says her company has no record of auditing Ngoc Sinh."

In other words, the article claims that Ngoc Sinh Seafoods Trading & Processing Export Enterprise is using repulsive and unsafe practices, and lying about having been inspected. Bloomberg is accusing them of a crime. The Slashdot headline, on the other hand, converted this into "Approved for Consumers" - accusing a different group, the regulators, which appear to be innocent.

Nothing strange about this (5, Insightful)

cptBongo (1376805) | about 2 years ago | (#41627833)

Re:Nothing strange about this (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628803)

If you've eaten any meat, you've eaten something fed by crap.
If you've eaten any plant, you've eaten something fed by crap.

City people are, for the most part, complete idiots in regards to food and become panic stricken when they accidentally become exposed to reality.

The Circle of Crap (and PROFIT!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41627867)

In some parts of China, there are so-called Pig toilets [wikipedia.org] .
This makes for some interesting cycles!

1) Human defecates in pig toilet after eating fish and/or pig.
2) Pig eat human crap and defecates.
2a) Pig gets butchered and sold as food for PROFIT! Go to step 1.
3) Fish eats pig crap.
4) Human eats fish.
5) PROFIT! Go to step 1.

(The use of night soil in China has been omitted for the sake of simplicity.)

It's all in the marketing (1)

Farmer Tim (530755) | about 2 years ago | (#41627879)

Just say they come in "dingleberry sauce", it'll sell.

get the drums ready (5, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 2 years ago | (#41627989)

I went into a restaurant where they serve this. When I red the menu I shouted "bullshit!"

The waiter said "Would madam like a large portion or a small one?"

Tilapia != fish (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628073)

Tilapia is just fish for people who don't like fish.
It is bland, with hardly any taste. I prefer fish that actually tastes like, you know, fish.
Feeding tilapia manure will probably increase its flavour.

Whole Foods (1)

virb67 (1771270) | about 2 years ago | (#41628075)

This makes me think $15/lb for local cod at Whole Foods isn't so unreasonable.

Re:Whole Foods (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628815)

This makes me think $15/lb for local cod at Whole Foods isn't so unreasonable.

$15 a pound for fucking COD???? Jesus fucking Christ that's a ripoff, where do you live, the middle of a desert? Go find a local meat shop, and have them order you some, it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper and it probably comes from the same damn place.

Point being? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628095)

after all, mushrooms are raised on horse crap.

Everyone eats shit (4, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 2 years ago | (#41628163)

Our oxygen is plant shit, the co2 is other peoples shit, your vegetables grow on shit, your meat eats shits, you cook it on farts, you walk on shit and some of us consider clothes made from shit to be the height of luxury.

It is a shitty world and it worse for those who believe in homeopathy.Water has memory? Oh good, so does it remember having been pissed out billions of times over the lifetime of the earth? And if water has memory, why doesn't it remember the time it was beer!

Typical American attitude... (5, Insightful)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 2 years ago | (#41628207)

That practice is dangerous for American consumers

but the rest of you can go fuck yourselves ;)

Re:Typical American attitude... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628373)

No, the rest of us source their food properly.

Re:Typical American attitude... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628833)

That practice is dangerous for American consumers

but the rest of you can go fuck yourselves ;)

Uh, what? We're not exporting it to anybody. You assholes constantly bitch about Americans pushing other nations around, and here we are letting you make up your own damn mind about what you eat, and NOT telling you what's good or bad for you, and we get this attitude? Go fuck yourself.

Fertilizers? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628215)

And? You haven't been in the countryside for a while, or did everyone in the US switch to artificial fertilizers to grow seeds and such?

To all USians (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628255)

ESAD. :)

Re:To all USians (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41629045)

ESAD. :)

I once worked for a guy who had "ESAD" printed in the lower left of his business card (he had, you might say... anger issues). Had to ask him what it meant, he told me, but that he tells his customers that it's an acronym for, "Excellent Service And Dependability". But that's not what you meant, huh? :-)

Re:To all USians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41629071)

You obviously suffer from some kind of U.S. envy.

Don't eat shit from China (4, Interesting)

JakFrost (139885) | about 2 years ago | (#41628353)

A few years ago on a whim I bought some generic branded local supermarket Stop & Shop seafood and came up with an upper body skin rash for a month. Later looked at the label and the stuff was made in China. Later found that there was a bunch of seafood enriched with some kind of a protein additive causing such bad allergic reactions to people that show up as an upper body skin rash just like I had. I had and still have no seafood allergies at the time and ate and still eat tons of seafood at restaurants weekly and sushi of all kinds, never have any bad results.

Last few weeks I tried to expand my home diet to include more seafood and looked at my new super market chain called Kroger and found that all of their generic fish was imported from China, including freezers full of tilapia and other fish. I could not find any non-generic seafood in this store that wasn't from China. Decided not to buy any this time around after I learned my lesson the last time. I had to travel to their competitor HEB to find some non-Chinese seafood and luckily found some Alaskan salmon at a hefty price.

I wish America would get it's shit together and wake the fuck up and stop importing food from China because of the horrible abuses of the environment that that country is perpetrating in the name of capitalism and profit and complete disregard for environmental and human safety as long as their shit infested products sell.

China will cut its own dick off in the name of profit and sell it to anyone willing to buy a small fried spring roll.

Re:Don't eat shit from China (2)

bsercombe72 (1822782) | about 2 years ago | (#41628741)

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but since we've already decimated 70% of global fish stocks your options are limited.

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 3, 2006

An international group of ecologists and economists warned yesterday that the world will run out of seafood by 2048 if steep declines in marine species continue at current rates, based on a four-year study of catch data and the effects of fisheries collapses.

The paper, published in the journal Science, concludes that overfishing, pollution and other environmental factors are wiping out important species around the globe, hampering the ocean's ability to produce seafood, filter nutrients and resist the spread of disease.

"We really see the end of the line now," said lead author Boris Worm, a marine biologist at Canada's Dalhousie University. "It's within our lifetime. Our children will see a world without seafood if we don't change things."

Nothing surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628369)

Considering they already make oil from sewer waste... adding more crap to their table won't change much.

Chinese copying again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628421)

Now they are copying US regulator practice.

Fish shit (3, Insightful)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about 2 years ago | (#41628581)

Your seafood's always been eating fish shit. Your vegetables are grown in shit. I'm sorry this is a shock to people.

Re:Fish shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628877)

Your seafood's always been eating fish shit. Your vegetables are grown in shit. I'm sorry this is a shock to people.

Tilapia isn't seafood.
Shrimp is, but nobody's been feeding shit to the shrimp.

As usual these days, the slashdot summary is completely and utterly wrong. In this case, it appears intentionally wrong.

"Posted by samzenpus"

Ah, that explains it.

Re:Fish shit (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41628997)

The U.S. govt. has always permitted small amounts of bone and rat feces in meat products sold. Yep, rat feces. And bone gets purposely ground up and added into hamburger meat. It's a trade-off between the convience of store bought or having to go out and kill my own food myself, then I have to spit out any errant buckshot.

Interesting wording (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41628781)

"dangerous for American consumers"

Was this deliberate? Why "American consumers" and not just "consumers"?

I've said for a long time, that the 'nanny states' (my own, UK, but including to an extent the US and many other so-called "first world" countries) are breeding a population that is BOUND to get seriously hit, eventually, with some fairly innocuous disease. The regulation and utter paranoia and fud in the food industry lends itself to only one thing - a population that's completely lost it's immunity to such diseases.

Ask yourself - why a brit in Africa could likely go blind, or worse, drinking tapwater while the locals drink it with impunity. Ask yourself why a brit (substitute any aforementioned nanny state here) spends the first week of his exotic holiday eating imodium and sitting on the shitter, if he's not careful what he eats and drinks.

Your immunity is being seriously compromised by your own governments, people. Your government sponsored paranoia over germs and bacteria could kill you one day, for the opposite reasons you think.

simple green solution. (1)

queazocotal (915608) | about 2 years ago | (#41628789)

Use part of the waste stream to make biogas.
Use this to pastuerise the rest before feeding.

I wont eat seafood... (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 2 years ago | (#41628939)

I won't eat seafood. I refuse to eat anything that swims in it's own bathroom.
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