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Windows 8: Do I Really Need a Single OS?

Soulskill posted about 2 years ago | from the do-i-really-need-seventeen-of-them dept.

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gManZboy writes "If you skip Windows 8, you lose the appealing opportunity to synchronize all of your devices on a single platform — or so goes the argument. If you're skeptical, you're not alone. OS monogamy may be in Apple's interest, and Microsoft's, but ask why it's in your interest. Can Microsoft convince the skeptics? 'If the hardware and software are the same at home and at work, one can't be "better" than the other. It would help if Microsoft convinced users like me that their platform is so good, we'd be fools to go anywhere else,' writes Kevin Casey."

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Developers love USDP (-1, Flamebait)

PieMasters (2751119) | about 2 years ago | (#41641697)

It's called USDP - Unifying Single Developer Platform. By having a single developer platform they make sure that developers have streamlined approach to application development. This is also illustrated by Visual Studio by allowing you to easily switch between Windows desktop and mobile target platforms.

This isn't new in any shape, either. It has been long strategy by Microsoft and can be seen from DirectX to XNA to C# and .NET. Microsoft wants to create unifying access to developers and this has also been one of the major successes of Windows OS. Why change something that is good and works?

Re:Developers love USDP (-1, Flamebait)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641713)

You're really going to use shitty ass Microsoft products as an example of how this works well?

Re:Developers love USDP (1, Insightful)

PieMasters (2751119) | about 2 years ago | (#41641729)

Visual Studio is top of its class. Which products are better than VS? I bet none.

Re:Developers love USDP (0, Flamebait)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641737)

Xcode and Eclipse >>>> Visual Studio

Re:Developers love USDP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641755)

Bullshit

Re:Developers love USDP (1, Insightful)

_8553454222834292266 (2576047) | about 2 years ago | (#41641769)

Eclipse is garbage.

Re:Developers love USDP (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641813)

Eclipse is everything.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

zoloto (586738) | about 2 years ago | (#41641987)

Eclipse is total garbage. I'd rather use vim to code java than use eclipse.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41642065)

It sounds like you haven't done much programming.

Re:Developers love USDP (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41642169)

Let's be honest here. Eclipse IS garbage. It may be the best that's available on *nix, but it sucks donkey balls.

So painful to use, just like GIMP.

Re:Developers love USDP (3, Funny)

cloudmaster (10662) | about 2 years ago | (#41642133)

I like writing java with vim. :)

Re:Developers love USDP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641929)

Visual Studio is top of its class. Which products are better than VS? I bet none.

Xcode and Eclipse >>>> Visual Studio

Bullshit

Most people I have heard singing the praises of VS as the best development environment known to man has never used anything else. With the ones that have actually used alternatives the criticism usually boils down to: "This that or the other thing does not work like it does in MSVS... this tool is crap!!!". I'm sure MSVS is a god dev tool but for gods sake it's not better than sex.

Re:Developers love USDP (2)

greenfruitsalad (2008354) | about 2 years ago | (#41641961)

How do you know? A friend of mine's colleague has a sister who's done it and from what I hear she wasn't too impressed.

Re:Developers love USDP (3, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | about 2 years ago | (#41641761)

You are arguing with a well known "ad troll"... which makes me curious, shouldn't the government be going after this shill for monopolizing the first post on Microsoft related articles? ;)

Re:Developers love USDP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641811)

Eclipse developers don't even understand why their users want multiple non-overlapping editor windows and it took them over 7 years to try to implement something. Is that so great, really?

Listen to your users as they are who you are writing code for, not the other way around.

Re:Developers love USDP (1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641831)

I don't see Eclipse's problem being that it lacks features.

Eclipse has TOO MANY features.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641909)

You must be delusional. VS is easily the best IDE on the market. Everything else I've used feels about a decade behind.

Re:Developers love USDP (-1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641933)

That's funny because every few years I try VS out and can't believe you monkeys still use that shit.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

Soilworker (795251) | about 2 years ago | (#41642067)

No, actually, you probably use VS only as a IDE, it's much more than that but you will never know.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41642105)

You're fucking delusional.

I've been forced into the JAVA world for the last two years and VS is light years ahead of Eclipse or XCode. It's not even close.

Re:Developers love USDP (-1, Troll)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41642119)

Yeah, by typing Java "JAVA" you pretty much reveal yourself to be a fucktard.

I can only imagine what your coworkers think of your ass.

Re:Developers love USDP (4, Insightful)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about 2 years ago | (#41641785)

Emacs.

Re:Developers love USDP (5, Funny)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 years ago | (#41641841)

Of course, since you can now run vi in emacs [emacswiki.org] then emacs is not just an operating system but can also be used as an editor.

Re:Developers love USDP (3, Interesting)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#41641919)

You know, I have often said that emacs makes a reasonably good OS and all it needs is a good text editor ^_^

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

gerddie (173963) | about 2 years ago | (#41641847)

I second that.

Re:Developers love USDP (3, Funny)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 2 years ago | (#41641835)

Notepad.

Re:Developers love USDP (1, Funny)

bobstreo (1320787) | about 2 years ago | (#41641951)

Notepad must die.

Re:Developers love USDP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641915)

Microsoft compilers and IDEs are shit. If they cannot even compile standard code, they do not serve the purpose for which they are written. But, hey, Microsoft ignoring standards and making the end users "unified" in their own approach is probably a good thing, right?

Re:Developers love USDP (0, Troll)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 2 years ago | (#41641945)

Have been forced to use C# on Visual Studio for a while now. Eclipse, Netbeans, Delphi's IDE are all better. Personally I also prefer Notepad++. Heck, even old versions of Visual Studio were better. These are just a few I have personal experience with.

Though I guess if you're a hyperactive retard, VS's hand-holding that prevents you from editing code freely and lacks many common, modern code editing features could be considered a plus.

C# is a great language, I love it. There are very few things wrong with C#. But VS is making it a pain to use.

Re:Developers love USDP (0)

blind biker (1066130) | about 2 years ago | (#41641969)

I've used Visual Studio. I've also used NetBeans. I think NetBeans is pretty sweet.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

anokun7 (941199) | about 2 years ago | (#41642061)

How come nobody has really used / know IDEA (IntelliJ IDEA)? I think IDEA just rocks! many features in netbeans and eclipse are poor copies of IDEA's features. Plus jetbrains - the company that makes IDEA still manage to turn up a profit in the face of free tools such as Eclipse and Netbeans and JDev etc - that means something, doesn't it?

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41642135)

IntelliJ is a fantastic IDE.

I tend to use Eclipse more because of the gigantic user base and community it has.

But IntellJ is definitely tighter and better in a lot of respects. The only thing that I really dislike is the Swing-based UI, even though the jetbrains people have performed miracles to make it better than you're run of the mill Swing app.

Re:Developers love USDP (0)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41642149)

*your

Re:Developers love USDP (0)

oPless (63249) | about 2 years ago | (#41641773)

So let's have a look at the competition then:

Android syncs nicely to their web based products with a load of immature^Wmaturing APIs

Apple syncs nicely to their cloud with immature APIs

Microsoft has a bunch of bizzaro APIs that have been around a while from Active sync to XNA.

What's common with all of these?

Yep incompatible APIs. There should be a decent OPEN standard for these services. I don't want to goto latitude on my iPhone to see where my google-based friends are and then manually request directions to them. I want to (say) ask siri, and have siri look them up and not say "I dunno where they are, they've not got iPhones"

The futures here, and it's full of shit to okay APIs with poor to next to little interop outside the fifedom of a product range. We should have put this shit to rest a decade or more ago.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41642009)

The API are going to need to mature and stabilize before their can be an abstraction layer. Right now what we want is to get these APIs to be feature rich, which means rapid changing and evolving, which is best achieved by each of these agents evolving their products as quickly as possible. Once the evolution has mostly stopped then is the time for standardization. Far from we should have put this to rest a decade ago, we are probably at least 2 decades off from this being the right time.

On the other hand for functionality that is needed cross platform the best solution is a single purpose application which ports across the systems. To use your finding friends example foursquare.

Re:Developers love USDP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641843)

Nice straw man.

Try again, dunce.

Re:Developers love USDP (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641857)

Have you tried the new Xcode and Eclipse releases? They're fantastic and have won all kinds of awards.

Coincidentally, they're both used to create software for the fastest growing operating systems, iOS and Android.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

Sir_Sri (199544) | about 2 years ago | (#41641995)

Don't confuse strategic vision with ability to execute.

The reason he managed a list of 4 things, and god knows the list is a lot longer than that, is that MS recognizes what the strategy should be, and they've managed 'good enough' but they're constantly trying to find better. Each of their products in isolation is viable but not spectacular, and the changing vision of what the 'next big thing' should be hurts them a lot. But someone at the top at microsoft understands that their real customers for windows are developers and they've been trying to give them the tools and platform to make interested connected products. They've failed spectacularly a few times, and windows 8 seems like it's a clusterfuck before it hits store shelves, but that doesn't mean their heart is in the wrong place on connectivity, they just suck at getting it out working and on time and understandable to users.

What the fuck are you going on about? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641863)

What you're spouting on about is what management thinks is ideal. Any real, experienced developed knows that "write-once, run-anywhere" or even "write-once, run-everywhere" is nothing but a massive load of bullshit. Any user of such software knows the same.

How many fucking times do we have to go through this? For crying out loud, it's the same each time we do it! It doesn't matter if it was BASIC in the 1970s, or C in the 1980s, or C++ in the 1990s, or Java in the 2000s, or JavaScript today.

The end result is that the software is really fucking shitty to write, and it's really damn shitty for the users who have to use it. The developers still get stuck dealing with cross-platform issues, even when it's just the same OS running on different devices. The users get a really half-assed experience, because the developers had to cut corners all over the place just to make the software run on all kinds of different OSes or devices.

Yeah, management loves it, but that's only because they aren't actually creating the shitheap, nor are they the ones who get stuck using it day-in and day-out. They see some great cost savings in the short term, but then things get really fucked up in the long term since the existing users and customers will flee as quickly as they can. You can't run a software business when all the customers left because your software became a raging pile of donkey turds thanks to embracing WORA hype.

Re:What the fuck are you going on about? (1)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#41641949)

We are going to be going through it for a very long time. There is no shortage of young developers who believe that even though all those other attempts failed, the new and sexy solution they read about will be the one that finally does it. It represents the pinnacle of 'my way won', and that is just too seductive to many.

Re:What the fuck are you going on about? (4, Interesting)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41642077)

Microsoft itself has created an operating system and application platform which allows the same applications to run on a $200 throw away netbook and a $2000 workstation or a $20,000 multiprocessor array drive server. Nothing like that existed a few decades ago.

Perfect no. Impressive progress, yes.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

jythie (914043) | about 2 years ago | (#41641907)

I would say while developers love USDP, that does not mean it is actually a good thing. It draws on people's egos, dovetails with the 'my language+OS+toolchain is the one right solution for everything because I am so much smarter then people who use other languages/OSes/tools' religious wars you see so often in tech. It works for social and marketing reasons, not technological ones... and it could be argued that it has been a bad thing technologically. Just look at all the languages competing for 'one twue language applicable to all tasks' spot.. and what it has done to those languages... all the extra crap added to them till they all look like half of them is a poorly implemented clone of some other language.

Re:Developers love USDP (4, Insightful)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41641941)

Just how many sock puppets do you have, Pie?

>new account
>similar to other Pie based accounts like PieDode and PieLala - used and then abandoned.
>used to shill Microsoft
>first post in thread
>buzzword bingo

PieMasters (2751119) is all alone in the world.

Indeed.

--
BMO

Re:Developers love USDP (4, Interesting)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 2 years ago | (#41642031)

So, make it easy for developers at the expense of users? Sorry, I don't have a windows phone, don't like tiles, and don't want to run a shitty tablet/phone interface on my desktop machine.

I write desktop apps for work, and use Visual Studio 2010 instead of 2012, because I don't care about the phone crap. At work, and pretty much everyone I know will be using Window 7 at least until 9 comes out.

Re:Developers love USDP (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | about 2 years ago | (#41642107)

Cool! you just filled my Bullshit bingo card!

Just one for me, thanks (5, Funny)

roidzrus (2739093) | about 2 years ago | (#41641719)

To me, having multiple operating systems on a computer is like having multiple wives--there's no tangible downside to it, but it just feels wrong.

Re:Just one for me, thanks (5, Funny)

PieMokz (2751997) | about 2 years ago | (#41641745)

To me, having multiple operating systems on a computer is like having multiple wives--there's no tangible downside to it, but it just feels wrong.

I agree on the multiple wifes part. Now, having one wife and multiple girlfriends on the side, well, now we're talking!

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

roidzrus (2739093) | about 2 years ago | (#41641771)

Well then you've got to get a decent virtual machine.

VMWARE (4, Funny)

sanman2 (928866) | about 2 years ago | (#41641973)

This message was brought to you by VMWare

Re:Just one for me, thanks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641759)

Said by someone whose not married to even a single wife, obviously.

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

roidzrus (2739093) | about 2 years ago | (#41642071)

Said by someone who's not married to even a single wife, obviously.

Said by someone who's not even dating grammar.

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

Jerry Smith (806480) | about 2 years ago | (#41641795)

To me, having multiple operating systems on a computer is like having multiple wives--there's no tangible downside to it, but it just feels wrong.

It's more like a good restaurant and a good snack-bar. Most of the times the restaurant is the go-to place, but darnit sometimes there has to be snacks!

Re:Just one for me, thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641801)

To me it's like not being married at all. It feels like a never ending free love orgy. Hell, each of my machines can boot multiple OSs, and I've even got several virtualized OSs inside each of those!

What I use at work is Linux, you see...

What feels dirty to me is Installing a new copy of Windows -- it shits all over the MBR, making other OSs unbootable. The other OSs will resize existing OS partitions and slip in beside the installed OSs they detect, and even give me options to boot them all. Windows is the Anti-Social, temper-tantrum throwing, high maintenance OS, all the others get along just fine. On a New machine Windows makes it a point to be 1st installed, and I just let it have its way so I don't have to put up with its bitching.

Glad I'm not Married to it!

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

gerddie (173963) | about 2 years ago | (#41641837)

It only feels wrong because of your moral perspective, just ask Phlox [memory-alpha.org] .

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 2 years ago | (#41641885)

Ya, the only reason to have two is so that you can seamlessly transition to your second OS if your first fails for some reason. Otherwise you cannot use them both at the same time and all OSes do basically the same things.

Re:Just one for me, thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41642001)

To me, having multiple operating systems on a computer is like having multiple wives--there's no tangible downside to it, but it just feels wrong.

There is a tangible downside: drama.

It's hard enough getting things working with one, and for every one that you add, the connections that you have to deal with increase exponentially—for both OSes and wives.

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#41642025)

"To me, having multiple operating systems on a computer is like having multiple wives--there's no tangible downside to it, but it just feels wrong."

I want many and to be master of all. Many OS in VMs suit this goal.
Like an Ottoman Sultan I can delete anything which displeases me then replacing it with a Snapshot of a younger version.

Re:Just one for me, thanks (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 2 years ago | (#41642045)

Well sometimes I feel like a really fast (spinner) OS, that just goes and goes... Sometimes I want a nice full figured^Wfeatured OS with big boobs^Wdisk space.

Not in my interest (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641739)

I would much rather have a variety of operating systems or platforms which use common protocols and formats so that I can switch between them. Technology evolves, operating systems change. Locking one's self into one platform at the exclusion of others is not a good idea. At least not for the consumer, it just makes it harder to switch when the existing platform falls to provide the quality demanded.

I have a problem with.. (5, Insightful)

slashdyke (873156) | about 2 years ago | (#41641741)

Single source OSs or anything else. If they manage to get it right, the perfect OS that satisfies every user, meets all of our needs. Then what happens? Does the world stagnate, or do they go ahead and produce something that may be totaly crap, and we are all locked in, so we all adopt the crap. No thanks, I like variety, choice, and options. I like being able to decide what I want, and what I do not want. I hope the patent situation around the world does not kill inovation, and I do not want this, as it would do the same.

Slashdot uses the same argument as Apple & MS (1, Troll)

CajunArson (465943) | about 2 years ago | (#41641747)

Except that on Slashdot it's: "If it's not Linux, it's crap!"

Re:Slashdot uses the same argument as Apple & (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41641789)

At least we can see the source code in the Linux camp.

Re:Slashdot uses the same argument as Apple & (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641963)

You can, but what percentage of users really do?

currently, I use Windows at work because it's necessary to run some of the apps I use professionally. My workplace is mixed. Some of my co-workers use Macs, some use Linux, some use Linux and Windows. As far as I know, nobody uses Mac OS and Linux there. The only tablet that's allowed on the network is an iPad.

At home, I have one Windows machine and one Mac. My family has 2 iPads (only one of which I paid for). My daughter and my wife use iPhones. I use an Android phone.

I guess I'm one of the many who doesn't see a need or even a benefit to using only one operating system.

Re:Slashdot uses the same argument as Apple & (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 2 years ago | (#41641947)

That's not necessarily true. There's love for BSD here, too.

Since now you can get everything running Linux (phone, palmtop, netbook, nettop, notebook, blah blah blah up to server, cluster...) you can actually live the dream

Re:Slashdot uses the same argument as Apple & (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 2 years ago | (#41642073)

True enough.. imho the best appliance distros (NAS & Firewall) are BSD based...

nuts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641757)

from a butt

Borg (1)

davidwr (791652) | about 2 years ago | (#41641797)

Now Redmond wants to assimilate our computers!

Wait, maybe MS isn't Borg Central after all. Maybe it's Brainiac!

Is Bill Gates from Krypton?

Infoweek again (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | about 2 years ago | (#41641819)

Infoweek blog crap. Everyone has opinions; most aren't worth listening to. Especially true at infoweek, pcworld, and others.

Re:Infoweek again (0)

Bananatree3 (872975) | about 2 years ago | (#41641905)

[blockquote]Everyone has opinions;most aren't worth listening to.[/blockquote] ....says someone posting a Slashdot comment. Hypocrite

(At least Slashdot comments are a bit more inteligent/funny)

blockquotes (1)

Bananatree3 (872975) | about 2 years ago | (#41641913)

Please ignore the above ignoramous , obviously he doesn't know how to post on Slashdot.

Single OS, maybe. But single user interface? (4, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#41641823)

Some kind of devices and activities are better suited for some kinds of interactionl. Screen size, to have or not touchscreen, keyboard, mouse, that you must hold it or use it on a surface, are between the factors that make one user interface better suited than others. In Linux you have a lot of different user interfaces, is not the same playing with Meego, Unity, KDE, Android or Sugar, but is all the same OS (or at very least, kernel and basic toolchain) with different user interfaces that are meant to fit to certain range of hardware.

Diversity makes you better (2)

Tweezak (871255) | about 2 years ago | (#41641839)

Well, aside from the obvious risks of everyone being beholden to the same OS if a security hole suddenly arises (but I'm sure that won't happen with Microsoft) there are reasons to build your skills with other OSs on your own.

Where I work I am already the Windows goto guy for light IT support because calling Bangalore is like going to the dentist only less productive.

However recently I changed groups and lo and behold, the designers use both Windows and Red Hat Enterprise. They already have a dedicated Linux support guy who is really good but it's almost a certainty that I'll be doing work in Linux before too long. The fact that I've been using it at home for years will really help me to adapt quickly.

If you're using Microsoft... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641849)

you're already an idiot...

Windows 8: Do I Really Need a Single OS? (1)

bemymonkey (1244086) | about 2 years ago | (#41641851)

Not really... what I need is x86 hardware in a tablet form factor that uses the same amount of power (or preferably less) than current ARM tablets, with a decently bright high contrast display, a decent stylus and a big battery. I'll still be carrying my laptop (Windows 7) and smartphone (Android) around in addition though...

Can Microsoft convince the skeptics? (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about 2 years ago | (#41641861)

Most of the people don't even bother to wonder: they buy something they've known for a long time / from the office, i.e. a PC. And what OS comes with it? The last Windows == 8. It reminds me of the recent iphone 5 discussion: despite iOS6 and Maps problems, lack of innovation and a satellited price people just buy it. It's a trend which path takes years to get affected. Unfortunately, slashdotters are, by far, a minority.

No I don't! (1)

game kid (805301) | about 2 years ago | (#41641865)

If you skip Windows 8, you lose the appealing opportunity to synchronize all of your devices on a single platform — or so goes the argument.

No I don't! I'll just use another platform for them.

If I wanted a single OS, I'd go with Apple. (5, Insightful)

Bananatree3 (872975) | about 2 years ago | (#41641869)

If I want a single OS platform, I'd go with Apple. For all the handwaving Apple fanbois do, Apple actually does the unified experience pretty darn well. I'd own an iPhone, MacBook and an iMac to keep things concurrent.

If I wanted to, that is. I don't , and will stick with the mix thats's proven to be effective for me

Not only Apple and Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641871)

That's what Canonical is trying with Ubuntu. First laptops, desktops and servers and next will be TVs, tablets and phones.

A real single platform already exists... (2)

ikaruga (2725453) | about 2 years ago | (#41641877)

If you skip Windows 8, you lose the appealing opportunity to synchronize all of your devices on a single platform
Linux(Ubuntu/Fedora/Arch/etc+Android)

Apple's interest (5, Insightful)

jbolden (176878) | about 2 years ago | (#41641939)

Just to point out here the assumption of the question is wrong. Apple is proposing the exact opposite of ubiquitous computing. They instead have two products iOS and OSX which evolve semi-seperately so that data can pass between similar applications but that the applications are quite different.

Microsoft conversely is proposing a shift to ubiquitous computing that applications and devices can alter themselves based on the way they are used, the form factor of the human. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cNdhOKwi0 [youtube.com] ).

What the author is proposing is different from either one of these, the current situation where there are loose standards for moving application data and different applications.

current: loose standards
apple: seamless data portability
microsoft: seamless application portability

Apple's views and Microsoft's views shouldn't be confused.

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641943)

"If you skip Windows 8, you lose the appealing opportunity to synchronize all of your devices on a single platform". HUH?

Does anyone really believe that the various flavors of Win 8 (or any OS) on devices of greatly varying capabilities could possibly allow you to "synchronize" all your devices on a single platform"? My cellphone is gonna run MS Access on my large business database?

Re:Really? (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 2 years ago | (#41642051)

If you had a large business database you'd be using SQL Server, not access.

Jerry Lee Cooper Speaks From The Grave (0, Troll)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41641983)

Windows 8 is far more powerful than windows 7, and runs twice as fast. It is also much harder to pirate, and this point more than anything else has the Linux crowd in a panic.

It wont be long until Windows 7 is no longer supported, and when that happens, what is Linux going to do ?

Linux will have to find a way to work under Windows 8 from here on, since it wont be able to rely on Windows 7 being readily available anymore.

Linux may seem like a good alternative to Office, but all that is happening in linux is that the windows interface is cleverly hidden away. It still needs the drivers and software services in order to run, and in most cases - that happens WITHOUT a valid windows licence.

This is just plain piracy.

Windows 8 will finally put an end to this blatant abuse of intellectual property, and linux should decline, taking the pirates with it.

Anyone that supports the continuation of Windows 7 in place of Windows 8 surely has a hidden agenda .. and you will surely be caught out.

Re:Jerry Lee Cooper Speaks From The Grave (1)

Skreems (598317) | about 2 years ago | (#41642011)

Wt..... troll, or wrong as hell for a joke?

a synergistic kaleidoscope (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | about 2 years ago | (#41642039)

If one makes the presumption that the modern IT is all about the internets, then you have to ask yourself 'Does the Linux even have a choice in this matter ?'

A modern computing system is not one that is run from the DOS command line - it is a system that is tied in with the internet instead. Just have a look at Vista with Aero for an example of this done right.

You need the outlook to connect in with the mass of email flowing around us every day. And then there is document collaboration - the sharing of Wordfiles and Excels between users across state boundries ! Voice over IP, internet enabled 'surface' computing, and voice command interfaces - all tied together with .NET and the Aero interface.

The driving force behind this internet is the Microsoft Sharepoint Server - a central peice of systems software which connects all these end points together, in a synergistic kaleidoscope that achieves both balance and symmetry.

The smart Vendors know that in order to get ahead in the future IT, that means integrating with the internet.

And so, we will see more and vendors of the Linux remit their legal obligations to Microsoft, and then benefit by getting onboard the .NET revolution.

Re:a synergistic kaleidoscope (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 2 years ago | (#41642099)

Don't worry bmo, I still believe in the time cube.

Re:Jerry Lee Cooper Speaks From The Grave (1)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about 2 years ago | (#41642095)

Windows 8 is far more powerful than windows 7, and runs twice as fast.

According to who? All the benchmarks I've seen indicate that Windows 8 actually runs the same as Windows 7, or sometimes even slower. It boots faster, but then again, that's hardly terribly important unless you boot your machine a dozen times a day.

See e.g. http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-vs-windows-7-benchmarked-7000002671/ [zdnet.com]

It is also much harder to pirate, and this point more than anything else has the Linux crowd in a panic.

Why would they panic over that? What relevance does that have to Linux or why would Linux-users care?

Linux will have to find a way to work under Windows 8 from here on, since it wont be able to rely on Windows 7 being readily available anymore.

Huh? Linux doesn't use Windows for anything, so why would this have any relevancy either?

Linux may seem like a good alternative to Office

Linux is an OS, Office is an application. The proper comparison would be e.g. LibreOffice vs. Office.

It still needs the drivers and software services in order to run, and in most cases - that happens WITHOUT a valid windows licence.

I have no idea where you've gotten that idea. Linux doesn't use Windows, Linux doesn't use Windows-drivers, Linux doesn't use Windows-services, and Linux works just fine on a computer without Windows on it at all.

Anyone that supports the continuation of Windows 7 in place of Windows 8 surely has a hidden agenda .. and you will surely be caught out.

Atleast in my case the agenda is simple: Windows 8 doesn't do anything that I can't already do with Windows 7 and therefore I can just keep using Windows 7 and save the money.

Re:Jerry Lee Cooper Speaks From The Grave (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41642151)

What the... I don't even...

Re:Jerry Lee Cooper Speaks From The Grave (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 2 years ago | (#41642183)

That post makes even APK sound sane.

it seems to me (1)

ILongForDarkness (1134931) | about 2 years ago | (#41641985)

that the argument is more for the developers than the users. There is a bit of overlap with things like iWork on iPad and Mac, and Office on an ARM tablet and PC but for the most part the argument from MS at least has been: learn metro run your code everywhere. So why does the user care? Does a user really want a 20"+ screen that is primarily geared towards touch (sounds like a good idea until work starts feeling like a workout)? Does it make sense to lobotomize a desktop app to make it interaction friendly for someone poking at it with a finger in a moving car (big buttons, few controls etc) on a 4" screen? I don't think so.

The only thing MS Windows had going for it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41641991)

... was that it wasn't locked down like Apple OS X.

one OS to end all OSes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41642013)

because I want my router running Windows, I want my TV running Windows, I want my NAS running Windows, I want my phones runnign Windows, I want my tablets running Windows, I want my DVR running Windows, I want my electric meter monitor running Windows, etc etc. And all running the same version because running Windows is the smart way to go. WTF, are they really trying to sell this idea?

Didn't work before (4, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#41642015)

And it still doesn't. Microsoft has for decades tried to sell us on the idea of one bloated, legacy-crap-filled OS on all devices, it was just a matter of the hardware catching up with their requirements. When they were finally convinced that a KVM interface didn't work on touch devices (giving us wonderful mind-numbing features like a "Start" button and walking menus on a 3 inch phone screen) the solution was obvious -- run a touch interface everywhere, using ideas, rebranded, that have already been successful on other platforms (example, "tiles" instead of "widgets") and convince the computing public that they will love a touch-based interface with huge sliding tiles on a 1920X1200 screen, unless they're some kind of communist.

And a few people will buy into it enthusiastically, as always, and some people will put up with it because it's a requirement for whatever they need to do, and because of Microsoft's lock on PC manufacturers, some people will put up with it because they bought the computer like that and they don't know what to do about it, and that might be enough to maintain their 60-odd percent market. And the rest of us will use something else.

I do have to use windows for some things I do. But I'm just now migrating to 7 from XP, and I have no intention of buying another copy of Windows until I see what 9 looks like. And maybe not even then, if a few companies get off their collective butts and port their products to some other platform.

Re:Didn't work before (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 2 years ago | (#41642027)

Oh, and I'd like to thank everyone else for beta-testing new versions of Windows for me. By the time I pick up a new version, service pack 2 or 3 have already been released, and the platform is usually stable enough to use. I couldn't do it without you.

What the fuck are you talking about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41642043)

The reason to upgrade to Windows 8 has nothing to do with this stupid "Metro" crap. The classic desktop has countless actual improvements.

Won and lost (1)

fermion (181285) | about 2 years ago | (#41642057)

This is the logic that MS used when trying to push server software. That is was useful for support and ROI to have the same OS running on all machines. Some people found it useful, some did not.

The reality was of course that MS Windows was not a single OS, but a number of related OS with similar user interface. In the days before MS WIndows XP took over the world, there was chaos. MS did two things to alleviate the chaos for developers and users. The first was Visual Studio, which provides what MS calls cross platform, meaning runs on various version of MS Windows, and cross language. The second was IE, which allowed a consistent application front end for the various versions of windows, and for a time Mac OS.

The both show what users want is run programs and a consistent user interface. MS has does a good job providing this. But Apple was also brought up, and the links between OS X and iOS are not as tight as the versions of MS WIndows 8. MS is radically changing the desktop experience to fit the mobile platform. OTOH, Apple is allowing the applications to be different, while focusing on the underlying data protocols, most of which are standard and open. The applications and user interface is different, but the data is the same. This is the lesson of the Newton.

Linux? (1)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 2 years ago | (#41642093)

So if I run linux on three laptops (ubuntu, fedora, redhat), and my (android) phone, is that one single OS?

Hell no! (1)

gman003 (1693318) | about 2 years ago | (#41642111)

I don't want to run the same OS on my phone, desktop, laptop and hypothetical tablet, set-top box and server. They each have distinct uses, and each require (or at least, would benefit from) a slightly different OS.

Hell, I don't even use just one desktop OS. I run Windows/OS X on my desktop - OS X is a good desktop Unix, but it's weak on gaming so I have a Windows disk as well. My laptop is currently Windows + a blank partition I haven't gotten around to slapping Linux on. Windows for light work and gaming, Linux for quick-boot, low-power stuff like media playing.

Now, what I would like is better cooperation between systems. Get read/write drivers for all the major file systems on all the major operating systems.

This is the best argument for Windows 8? (4, Insightful)

treadmarks (2528414) | about 2 years ago | (#41642155)

This is such self-serving BS. Microsoft needs a single, unified OS, not you. Microsoft did what they needed to do, for themselves, and this argument was invented after the fact to make it look like it's good for the consumer. What I need is an operating system that doesn't have to reboot every month on Patch Tuesday.

Better question: (2)

DogDude (805747) | about 2 years ago | (#41642167)

Do I really need TWO OS'es?

Unless you're a programmer or a hobbyist, I don't see why anybody would need two. Just pick one and get on with more interesting things.
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